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“Because they didn’t want you leave”

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In a lot of ways, I think Joe Girardi was right about the way Robinson Cano was greeted last night.

“I’ve always felt the people that are cheering for you are showing their respect for you,” Girardi said. “And the people that are booing you are really showing their respect for you, because they didn’t want you to leave.”

Or maybe Derek Jeter phrased it better.

“Some people probably booed because they wish he was here,” Jeter said. “Some people boo because they’re upset he left. And some people may have booed because the people next to them were booing.”

If Cano weren’t such a great player, there wouldn’t have been much reaction at all to his return on Tuesday night. But he was booed in every at-bat — booed even when he fielded a routine grounder — because Yankees fans are well aware of what was lost when he signed with Seattle.

Yes, there’s frustration that Cano didn’t take some sort of hometown discount, or perhaps there’s a sense fully appreciate the idea of being a lifelong Yankee — and seven years, $175 million certainly seems like more than enough money — but Cano’s hardly the first player to prefer taking the largest contract offer ahead of staying in a place that comfortable and successful. It means so much in this case because he’s one of the elite players in the game, and the Yankees know that as well as anyone.

“I knew he would be pretty sought-after and there would be clubs that would make some long-term deals,” Girardi said. “I’ve mentioned that I always thought Albert Pujols would be a Cardinal, and it didn’t happen. There are certain guys you envision their whole career, they’re going to play in a certain spot. Most of the times, it doesn’t happen.”

Monday’s bit on The Tonight Show was funny for that very reason. It’s easy to boo the idea of Cano — to boo the very notion of a player taking more money to play elsewhere — but faced with him in person, it’s hard to deny that the Yankees would be a better team with him at second base, hitting in the middle of the order. Boo the fact that he left, but acknowledge that most would welcome him back if at all possible.

Maybe a 10-year deal really was too much for the Yankees to give. Maybe another player would have been happy with the $175-million offer. Maybe in a different set of circumstances Cano would have been a lifelong Yankee, cheered in his first Bronx at-bat of every season from now until retirement. But that didn’t happen, and it matters this much — enough to boo the best Yankees player of the past half decade — because he is so very good.

“I’m just happy to be back,” Cano said. “(To) see guys that I played with for a long time, and guys that always were so kind and nice to me. Being able to say hi to them and in front of the New York crowd, (remembering) the way that they treated me when I was here.”

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120 Responses to ““Because they didn’t want you leave””

  1. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I still love the focus on the respect comment.

    As a 20-something, I can tell you I meet people that feel they are not given the proper level of respect on a regular basis over the most mundane things. My uncle just yesterday was explaining to me that he didn’t feel respected by my mother over something rather petty. My friend recently felt a lack of respect over not being invited to a surprise party for a person she doesn’t really like that much. “It’s the principle of the thing!”

    People are stupid.

  2. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    I also love the idea that had he not used that one particular phrase – in between complimenting the org and their fans – that he would have somehow been treated differently lol.

  3. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Nick Swisher whined his way out of town about how the fans were mean to him and still got a better reception from the creatures (I’m still not sure what was going on there last night, there are multiple conflicting reports) and fans. I know most of that has to be because no one was really upset about Swisher leaving… which is ironic, if you think about it.

  4. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    NY fans do what they want.
    In one moment they boo you then in the next they cheer.
    Whatever draws the attention toward them.
    Look at the bleacher situation for example.
    Utterly bizarre.
    Didn’t help it was a miserable rainy cold night and they were in a bad mood to begin with.
    Most fans can’t relate to multi million dollar contracts and they were just wet and angry.
    Maybe next time they cheer him, who really cares.
    As Franco says, NYers have no class..I just say they are honest, blunt and see both sides.

  5. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    My friend recently felt a lack of respect over not being invited to a surprise party for a person she doesn’t really like that much. “It’s the principle of the thing!”

    People are stupid.
    =============
    Wait till you grow up.

  6. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Nick Swisher got booed while he was a Yankee. Hence the whining.

  7. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    (I’m still not sure what was going on there last night, there are multiple conflicting reports)
    ===================
    Yet you chose to immediately say K was wrong, defending the Cretins.
    They do not speak for the fans at YS. They are just looking for attention.

  8. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Nick Swisher is still in HS, leave him alone.

  9. pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    did Cano take out an ad thanking the Yankees fans for all their support during the 9 years he was here?

    Were they supportive the 9 years he was here? NY fans like to talk a good game but we have a large fair weather fan streak.

  10. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    I love how you say that he left complementing the org, the only thing people remember is that ridiculous sportscentre interview where he keeps saying its not about the money and I didn’t feel respect. So yeah if he leaves on a better note he gets booed less. Welcome to public relations.

  11. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    CC was in a no win situation with those questions.

    Do you rip your ex-teammate or rip your organization? He did neither with his non-answers.
    =============================================
    But it did seem like he ripped the fans.

  12. pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    HardballTalk
    Columnists: Fans shouldn’t call Cano a greedy sellout. That’s OUR job! http://wp.me/p14QSL-2bfg

  13. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Were they supportive the 9 years he was here?
    ==============================
    Sure they were.

  14. Mike Ri April 30th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Cano is making 25 million a year … . Do you think he cares if he gets booed ……………..Im guessing probably not

  15. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Cano wears his beard like Lil Papi, which Jeter prolly ribbed him about if you could read lips, and taps the catchers shin guards like Jeter.

    Maybe he should just make up his mind on who he is. He might get more respect.

  16. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Can we please stop with cc ripped the fans and said NY isn’t classy. He clearly didn’t care he didn’t even want to answer the questions and he hasn’t even talked to cano. He was just angry that he got beat up by the mariners.

  17. pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    CCs answer about the video tribute sounded like a little rip.

  18. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Pat I don’t recall cano getting booed once even during that ridiculous playoff 0fer streak he had going one year. They always backed cano at the stadium.

  19. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Bob Klapisch ? @BobKlap

    It’s one thing for #Yankees fans to boo Robinson Cano. Fair enough. But calling him a sellout? Mindless
    ==============================
    And it came from the venerated group called the Bleacher Creatures.

    After they gave him a role call no less.

    Do I sense a divide?

  20. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    mick – I said he was wrong because the other beat guys were reporting something different. Sorry if informing the blog of this variation on reporting of events taking place offended you..? It really was un-creature like. As I said, they embraced Swisher, of all people, after he cried his way out the door.

    I’m all for booing. Usually, I think booing should be applied to poor performance. But that chant was not only classless, but totally ironic coming from Yankee fans regardless of who started it.

  21. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Can we please stop with cc ripped the fans and said NY isn’t classy. He clearly didn’t care he didn’t even want to answer the questions and he hasn’t even talked to cano.
    ===================
    And you know this how?
    Did you see the look on his face?

  22. Chip April 30th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Well that was an awful night last night.

    I think if there had been more people at the game Cano’s reception might have been different, but on a cold, ugly night like it was the idiots are usually the only ones who show up and only after they’ve gotten good and liquored up.

    The news on Pineda’s not great – but I’m still not particularly worried. The Yankees are taking the right approach and if by missing the month of May it means he doesn’t hit an innings’ limit in September, so much the better. My concern though is what it was when the roster was announced, by having Phelps, Nuno and Warren in the pen, their 6, 7 and 8 starters aren’t built up to just step into the rotation. We’ve seen it with Nuno taking a couple of starts to build his pitch count up and now Phelps is going to have to do it too – that’s going to put pressure on Sabathia, Kuroda and Tanaka to go deep into games so that the pen doesn’t get taxed.

    If we assume today’s a washout and tomorrow they’ll play two – that’s also going to tax the relief corps. Like I said at the time, I understand wanting to take your best arms north with you – but you have to have a little forethought about what your needs will be throughout the season. Did the Yankees really need all three of Phelps, Warren and Nuno in the pen more than they need those same arms to be ready to go in case of emergency?

  23. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    If we’re going to read that deep into “its not something I control” should we read something into “its not weird facing cano he wasn’t my teammate since the start like Grady”. Is that a little cano rip like I don’t care you’re not here, we don’t miss you? Its a matter of opinion really as we don’t know what’s in his head but I think some people are reading into it what they want.

  24. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    pat -

    I don’t know the answer to that question. They cheered him mostly, but he was also booed when he failed by those who are wont to boo.

    I do agree that there are a lot of fair weather fans.

    I was very surprised that at least his first at-bat wasn’t a warmer experience – thanks for the memories, we wish you were still here kind of response. I expected boos after that, if he did well.

    Perhaps people are touchy about $175 million being thought of as disrespectful. Perhaps a large portion of the people who bothered to show up at the stadium were the less sane variety (sane people stay home when the weather is that crummy).

    If management is going to be criticized for not doing a video retrospective of Cano’s time with the Yankees, then I think it’s not out of bounds to bring up that Cano did not go overboard to give a fond farewell, either.

    I think bottom line it comes down to two things: Yankees fans are not used to their own players leaving AND being allowed to leave. There is a a total frustration over that aspect of it. The second is that he left a storied franchise to go to a team that is, at least now, fairly obscure. I think more people would have better understood Cano leaving for another strong team with a good reputation for hitters.

    And I think they’re also upset with management for not finding a way to keep him here, though I think it’s indisputable that the 10 years was a deal breaker for both sides.

  25. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    I was very surprised that at least his first at-bat wasn’t a warmer experience – thanks for the memories, we wish you were still here kind of response.
    ===================================
    Wasn’t the 1st offer from JZ and Cano 8/240?
    PPl thought they were joking.
    Like I said NYers aren’t afraid to be honest, they aren’t usually politically correct.

  26. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    CC’s answers sounded like a dig at the fans to me. But I also had the thought that they guy just came off a disappointing game, so I will take his comments with a grain of salt. However, we’ve all noticed that Yankee Stadium crowds do not translate over the tv as being particularly supportive. They are the “show me” fans – we’ll applaud AFTER you’ve done something good; they do not cheer to ENCOURAGE the team. It’s a very spoiled atmosphere there.

    And if we’ve noticed it, you can bet they players notice it, as well.

  27. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    mick – I said he was wrong because the other beat guys were reporting something different. Sorry if informing the blog of this variation on reporting of events taking place offended you..?
    ==============================
    Sounded like you were editorializing, as usual, Shame.

  28. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    I would not read anything into CC’s response about facing Cano. He did face him before, so he had some idea. Of course it was a while ago, but I get the differentiation he was trying to make.

  29. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Mick: how do I know he didn’t talk to cano, he says so its the last question I think. Did I see his face, yes it looked like the face of a man angry that he lost to the mariners (as curry noted in the post game) and irritated by Meredith’s extremely long winded repetitive questions. Again, I can read his mind and it’s a matter of opinion but I’m not going say he’s clearly ripping anybody.

  30. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    How many ex-Yankees returned in an opposing jersey and got a video tribute? None.

    How many Yankees have left NYC in their prime while insulting the organization on the way out the door? None

    How much do I care about the booing, CC’s reaction, Jeter’s reaction, Cano’s reaction or anyone else’s reaction? None

    I’m more disturbed by how many outs this infield defense DOESN’T get. I’m more concerned about the state of the rotation.

  31. pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Doreen

    I think what players are paid colors many peoples perceptions.

    Can you imagine if the salary of every person you encounter in a day was publicized and you got to decide your satisfaction with them based on what they were paid?

  32. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    They are the “show me” fans – we’ll applaud AFTER you’ve done something good; they do not cheer to ENCOURAGE the team. It’s a very spoiled atmosphere there.
    =============================================
    Maybe they just had a lousy day battling traffic and overpaid for a night out in lousy weather, had a few pops to ease the pain after paying 30 bucks to park their car 2 miles away.

  33. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Obviously men at can’t read his mind. Lol.

  34. pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    How many ex-Yankees returned in an opposing jersey and got a video tribute? None.

    I thought someone said Matsui did.

  35. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Did I see his face, yes it looked like the face of a man angry that he lost to the mariners
    ================
    CC never shows anything after a win or a loss.
    He’s like Jeter in that regard.
    He did take a veiled shot at NY fans, of that I am certain.

  36. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    “Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 8:26 am
    Derek Jeter could easily have changed the crowd’s reaction last night by just stepping forward and tipping his cap toward Robbie as he was introduced. He chose to stay out of it.”
    ======================================================
    “Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 8:59 am
    And yeah, let’s blame Derek Jeter for not telling the fans how to react.
    ===========================================
    clearly I did not “blame Derek Jeter” for how the fans reacted. I suggested he could have changed the way they were acting once they started acting a certain way. I didn’t even opine on whether he should have done it, only that he could have but chose not to.

    there is a very big difference there.

  37. Against All Odds April 30th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    So yeah if he leaves on a better note he gets booed less.

    —————–

    Not really the ground against Cano was already laid before those comments. Hell even when free agency started there were fans saying well if he leaves I could care less anyway. Now Cano taking the biggest contract he could get obviously feeds into him leaving for the money but fans can’t ignore bringing a majority of players here for the same reason.

  38. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    There were definitely people not in the bleachers chanting “you sold out”, saw it with my own eyes. There could have been some creatures doing it also, but it wasn’t just them. It would not surprise me at all if they had differing feelings, the roll call was pretty weak.

  39. Chip April 30th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    pat April 30th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    How many ex-Yankees returned in an opposing jersey and got a video tribute? None.

    I thought someone said Matsui did.
    ———————-

    Cano is different than any of the other guys who left except maybe Andy.

    Matsui, Giambi, Damon, Tino – these were guys who were past their primes and the Yankee fans more or less acknowledged that it was time for the team to move on.

    Cano’s different in that he is still one of the elite players in the game and that, traditionally, hasn’t been the kind of player who the Yankees let walk away. Andy did it for family reasons, Cano did it because he wanted more money and years than the Yankees were willing to offer. That’s a new experience for Yankee fans.

  40. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    - WEDNESDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) Another CC Clunker. As I said yesterday, the Yankee Rotation is teetering.

    (2) ROBERTS continues to be a disaster defensively. His 2 Boners opened up the decisive inning. One on the bunt, the other on the over-turned play that he should have made Easy.

    (3) Solarte coming back down to Earth offensively. The question now is where does he level off?

    (4) Another team comes into town, and plays like it’s Game 7. Coach gets booted in a game that was in the bag, entire Angel team on the Top Step, same old. Shows the level of concern/effort varies depending on the opponent.

    (5) Was looking at the Yankee schedule for May. 12 straight games vs the NL. Say what?

  41. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    pat -

    Matsui got his WS ring as a member of the Angels. He got a video tribute when he came back and retired as a Yankee.

  42. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Cano wasn’t nearly as popular with the fans as Matsui was.

  43. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    “I think what players are paid colors many peoples perceptions.

    Can you imagine if the salary of every person you encounter in a day was publicized and you got to decide your satisfaction with them based on what they were paid?”

    I could not even begin to imagine.

  44. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Derek Jeter is Not paid to conduct Crowd Control.

  45. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    (2) ROBERTS continues to be a disaster defensively. His 2 Boners opened up the decisive inning. One on the bunt, the other on the over-turned play that he should have made Easy.

    Roberts was close to the 2B bag when the bunt happened, he had no chance to make it to 1B in time.

    And the other play you make no sense, as usual.

  46. mick April 30th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Can you imagine if the salary of every person you encounter in a day was publicized and you got to decide your satisfaction with them based on what they were paid?”
    ==================
    Well, if NYers were judging them , they would , of course, be booed.

  47. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    That Fallon skit pretty much says it all. I just wonder how people feel about Arod getting better treatment than Cano..?

  48. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Are we talking about the same cc sabathia? Chad himself has mentioned how hard cc is on himself after every loss and you can see that in all his quotes after a loss. You’re reading into it what you want like I said I could read into his other comments that he was taking a shot at cano but we’ll never know for certain.

    Doreen: that’s what makes NYY fans unique, the pressure, expectations this isn’t little league these guys are supposed to be the best. You do something good you get cheered you stink then they let you know. On a side note what’s the over/under on games before mcann gets booed?

  49. mick April 30th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    The shift caused Roberts to be too far over.
    It’s starting to look like they are overusing it.

  50. longtimefan April 30th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    As a fan I am more concerned with how mediocre Sabathia looks rather than wasting time on Cano and why he did this or that, who cares, the media plays this up for ratings, he is gone, move on. Looking at CC. Arod, and Tex the yankees made the right decision not to give another dumb long term contract.

  51. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Donny —

    Don’t agree on the bunt play. No way you can be at DP depth AND cover first on the same play.

    Tex needed to stay home and didn’t. runners 1st and 2nd both corner infielders ideally stay home. He charged too soon on a bunt right back to the pitcher and gave up the out.

    On the bright side, Manny Banuelos threw three scoreless for Trenton with four K, just two singles and no walks. AND aaron Judge went 3-for-4 with a HR and is tearing the cover off the ball in Charleston. No reason not to move him up.

  52. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Roberts is Slow and has no arm. Yeah, I saw he was close to 2B. Check the video. The guy was moving at Trot speed toward 1B. Same goes for his (speed?) when coming in and fielding the overturned call. No speed forward, backward, left, or right.

  53. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    liquifilm -

    Watch older games. The crowds were different. They used to be encouraging. They now sit back and wait most of the time. I think it stinks. They are no longer the 10th man on the field. They are the audience at a show.

  54. mick April 30th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    That Fallon skit pretty much says it all. I just wonder how people feel about Arod getting better treatment than Cano..?
    ======================
    No. Arod is a pillar of all that is decent and respectful. Give him a break Yankee fans.
    If booing is so fickle that fans would apologize to Cano in a Fallon skit then who really cares.
    In fact, they would rather be booed than ignored.

  55. Chip April 30th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Donny proving once again that he watches a completely different game than the rest of us.

  56. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Also, if being snobby and spoiled is what makes Yankees fans unique, I don’t want to be that kind of fan.

  57. pat April 30th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Cano wasn’t nearly as popular with the fans as Matsui was.

    and maybe that was part of the reason he wasn’t willing to give the Yankees a hometown discount to stay.

  58. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    As for CC, Ken Singleton made a good point after the game, to say the Mariners obviously made adjustments, going the other way with the pitches, and CC needs to be more aggressive inside, as he was in Boston.

    It’s got to be supremely frustrating to reinvent your pitching style on the job.

    I thought it stunk that the #8 hitter in the lineup was a real pain.

  59. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am
    liquifilm -

    Watch older games. The crowds were different. They used to be encouraging. They now sit back and wait most of the time. I think it stinks. They are no longer the 10th man on the field. They are the audience at a show.

    That’s because they are no longer athletes that the regular person can relate to, they are very rich entertainers in a millionaire boys club, backing guys on other teams and hugging on the field.

  60. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Why the focus on Roberts on a play that was clearly Teixeira’s mistake? I agree BR’s not showing much, i didnt expect much out of him myself, but there’s no reason to start blaming him for other player’s misplays.

    i get it that people have players they just dont like and want to blame everything on them, but just like when someone last night tried to blame Cano’s steal on the catcher, it weakens your argument to blame the player you love to hate for someone else’s mistake.

  61. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    pat -

    Matsui wrote a letter apologizing for getting hurt.

    But, he also ended his Yankee career as the WS MVP. Doesn’t hurt. :)

  62. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    And while we are on the subject of Roberts “Speed”, the same lack there of was evident on the pop-up that Beltran had to race All the way in from RF to snag.

  63. liquifilm April 30th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Doreen: watch older games, the team used to be better.

    The fans aren’t spoiled or snobby they’re just like all other fans. They want their team to do well. I was just watching the David wells perfect game and all the fans started cheering after the strikeouts.

  64. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    The HP Ump refused to give CC the inside corner on righty’s. That neutered him there.

  65. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    bbb51 -

    I’m not talking about 50′s 60′s 70′s or before.

    And other fans seem not to care – hey Cardinals fans are world renowned for their unwavering support. They have a few millionaires playing over there, too.

    Most fans of other teams appreciate that you cannot win the WS every single year, and appreciate the effort on the field day in day out that their team makes to try to get to the playoffs. And enjoy each game one at a time.

    It was disgusting and disgraceful the last time the Yankees were in the playoffs how the “fans” were as compared to the fans of every other team who were proud their team made it to the playoffs.

  66. pat April 30th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Doreen
    I believe a lot of the perceptions fans have of players are media driven. Human nature to not want to believe we are lemmings but….

  67. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    The Yankees are the richest franchise in baseball and charge the most for their product (at least face value). I don’t think there is anything wrong with the expectation to at least make the palyoffs nearly every year.

  68. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    CC tried to pitch inside… there were at least a half dozen close pitches all called inside. It appeared to me that he got frustrated and stopped going in there, which is a mistake.

    Roberts has not looked good, no argument there, but he wasn’t at fault on the bunt. the ninth inning double might be a good sign… let’s hope so.

  69. blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Aloha everyone. What have I missed besides the fact that the yanks pitching depth has turned pretty shallow?

    We are seeing now why they HAD to sign Tanaka……they literally could not contend without him and they are probably gonna have to try and get another starter between now and the deadline……too had the braves scooped up Santana

  70. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    bbb51 —

    Isn’t 17 appearances in 19 years “making the playoffs nearly every year”???

  71. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    Morning blake —-

    Time to put together a package for Samardija? Who else would you target/inquire about?

  72. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:28 am
    bbb51 —

    Isn’t 17 appearances in 19 years “making the playoffs nearly every year”???

    Yes, I was just referencing Doreen’s post about fan attitudes.

  73. blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    “Time to put together a package for Samardija? Who else would you target/inquire about?”

    Cliff Lee……

  74. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Let’s have a vote:

    The Yankees should try Betances as a starter right now. Yes or no?

  75. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    The Yankees should try Betances as a starter right now. Yes or no?

    Yea, he just threw like 40something pitches, I say go for it. Worst case he doesn’t show anything and he goes right back in the pen. Given Girardi’s usage of him as a once a series guy theres no loss in it.

  76. blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Betances is exactly where he needs to be…..I wouldn’t mess with him…..he’s finally producing. Making him a starter again isn’t a good idea IMO…..he tried to do it for 8 years…..he be at 100 pitches in 4 innings……and if he comes out wild one day there you’re bullpen is shot that day and days to follow. He’s a reliever……let it go

  77. Doreen April 30th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    You can expect it, sure. They’ve set that standard themselves. Shouldn’t there also be the appreciation that even if the organization does what it can to propel that effort, that there are no guarantees????

    But my point is, fans should also support that effort vocally. Be the 10th man on the field. Why go to the game, otherwise?

  78. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    we’ve lost 2 of our better BP arms, we need Betances out there more now than ever. It’s not that I think there is no chance he could get it together as a starter, but he’s just now finally having some success and contributing at the ML level. Messing with him now could easily send him back into the downward spiral he was in when they made him a reliever.

    I’d also say that he’s got the best chance of being a future closer if Drob gets hurt again or leaves at the end of the season.

    So my choice would be to go with Phelps & Nuno for now. I also think Banuelos will be an option coming up and likely a better option than Betances.

    But I wont be crazy if they do decide to try Dellin as a starter again, I’d just prefer they leave him alone for a while.

  79. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    That crowd last night was like we used to see in the Old Park. Loud and Intimidating. And there were Not many of them either. Weather aside, the crowds have been embarrassingly small. I don’t care what the Yankees announce the crowd size being. Even YES is now cropping the camera view from CF, to just above the hitter head. This in an attempt to Hide the empty seats behind home plate. I also find it amusing when Kay et al, shill for the Yankees by repeatedly trumpeting what Cano was offered by the Yanks.

  80. blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Cash needs to call Amaro and say look…..when you’re ready…..I’ll take the rest of Lees money off your hands. This is of course if Hal will allow it.

  81. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Cliff Lee would put an end to any luxury tax limit wouldn’t he?!!?

    I think he’d be terrific with Yanks…. but Phillies aren’t far enough back to consider it I wouldn’t think.

  82. DONNYBROOK April 30th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Nuno the SP is playing with dynamite. If the Yanks have No other choice, well they are stuck. But the guy is a control trickster, and the sticks adjust quickly.

  83. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    we’ve lost 2 of our better BP arms, we need Betances out there more now than ever.

    Despite losing 2 of the arms Betances is still the last guy in the pen. Claiborne is ahead of him so we still have Claiborne, Kelley, Warren, Robertson, Thornton. So someone like Leroux becomes the last guy in the pen, whats the difference?

  84. blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Money aside Lee is exactly what they need in te rotation……he’d give them 4 good starters and slide CC back to the 4th spot and if/when Pineda comes back he could be an X factor in the 5.

    They spent a lot of money this winter and they are relying heavily on their rotation to contend…..if they don’t pitch….they don’t have the ability to make up for it elsewhere. The offense isn’t good enough to win slug fests….

  85. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Roberts has looked awful…. on both sides of the ball.

  86. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    I think Kaye was fair about Robbie — he said there were no bad guys here — Yanks made an extremely generous offer and Robbie took and even more generous (preposterous) one.

    The crowds have been mediocre and last night was awful. It reminded me that the late great Reb Barber was fired by the Yanks because he insisted on addressing miserable attendance when the TV director refused to show the empty stadium. I thnk the “crowd that day was about 1,500

  87. Against All Odds April 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    I agree with Blake keep Dellin in the pen.

  88. Against All Odds April 30th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am
    I think Kaye was fair about Robbie

    ————-

    Well yea he had to balance it out finally.

  89. Against All Odds April 30th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:25 am
    Aloha everyone. What have I missed

    ——————-

    A lot Prufrock and luis were ready to send out the search team for you but thought he’s probably working on a way to get Drew ;)

  90. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    CC’s inability to overcome mistakes here and there or bad breaks has become a bit of an issue.. he’s allowing these 4+ run innings because he’s making mental errors out of frustration. He kinda needs to get over that. Quickly.

  91. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I think Kaye was fair about Robbie — he said there were no bad guys here — Yanks made an extremely generous offer and Robbie took and even more generous (preposterous) one.

    I think the only problem with Kay re: Cano last night was that he went right into the respect angle and then it took a few innings before he balanced it out by saying Cano did nothing wrong. I am glad he brought up the fact that Jeter said he was ok with Cano’s hustle.

    I just wish anyone who brings up the respect angle could actually lay it out fairly, rather than always framing it purely as a ‘yankees offered a lot of money’. Respect for a 200 million dollar player contractually and in negotiations is different than what a lot of people think of as respect.

  92. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    the phillies need to replenish with youth. so if you’re going to want cliff lee, expect to send them every prospect worth having. saying they can ‘pick up the contract’ is laughable.

  93. pat April 30th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    MLB_PLAYERS
    Tony Clark announced this morning that former pitcher Javier Vazquez is joining @MLB_PLAYERS as an international special assistant.

  94. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    i heard kay on his radio show yesterday saying the exact same thing, that there were no villains, just 3 entities making what they considered their best buisness decisions. he may have taken a while to say it on the game broadcast, but he was saying it earlier in the day on the radio.

  95. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    I’d trade for Lee but I don’t think they will pay for him. Also not sure that Amaro will let him go without a haul, even if we eat the deal.

    Hey blake, yesterday pete brought up Salty and made the argument we may have been better off with his 3/21 deal. McCann is the better overall player but it’s going to be interesting to keep an eye on.

  96. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    jerkface —-

    If five teams were in the ten-year, $ 240 M range and the Yanks stayed where they stayed then I would agree it was a lame effort to retain the guy.

    But I don’t believe you have to be the highest bidder or chase one insane bidder’s offer to have a genuine interest in retaining a player.

    Fair market value is not the same as highest offer. Yanks were more than fair. Seattle was willing to be insane in order to make a big splash. C’est la vie’

  97. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    McCann has brought a lot behind the plate so far, in my estimation. At the plate he has been pretty meh. I expect the former will still be there later and the latter will improve.

    Yea Saltalamacchia has a .900 OPS right now but he has been an uneven player and he doesn’t have the defensive rep that McCann has.

  98. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Shame —

    I would not have had a problem with the Yanks signing Pierzinski or Salty. Both would have filled a huge need for a LH bat behind the plate.

    McCann is clearly the best all around catcher of the three but it is unlikely his productivity will be double what the other guys deliver for half the price.

  99. Patrick April 30th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Hahaha Jameis Winston got caught for shoplifting crab legs from the supermarket

  100. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    If five teams were in the ten-year, $ 240 M range and the Yanks stayed where they stayed then I would agree it was a lame effort to retain the guy.

    But I don’t believe you have to be the highest bidder or chase one insane bidder’s offer to have a genuine interest in retaining a player.

    Fair market value is not the same as highest offer. Yanks were more than fair. Seattle was willing to be insane in order to make a big splash. C’est la vie’

    I agree with you, but this doesn’t invalidate Cano’s feelings on respect. Remember that he said he didn’t feel the respect, not that he felt disrespected. I believe the Yankees would have loved to retain Cano at 7/170, because that would have been below market. However just offering a ‘fair’ contract is not the same as showing respect. Thats what I wish people would understand.

    Lets go to Game of Thrones for an analogy. Imagine you are a hedge knight, one of those landless bros that searches the country side for a Lord’s gold to be employed. You would like lots of gold and respect. Lets put your fair value at 10 gold because you are wicked with a sword, but because there is a WAR on you expect to make 15 to 20 gold. You find 2 Lords and one offers 10 gold and says thats as high as they will ever go and makes japes to the local criers about how you love gold so much you want to a2m with Tywin Lannister. The other offers 20 gold and compliments your armor and brings you maidens.

    One of them is only showing respect monetarily, but not socially. And its a kind of bare minimum respect.

  101. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Shame

    Sabathia just looks tired/exhausted out on the mound.

  102. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    if the whole reaction last night was based on the ‘respect’ issue, then people were played, imo.

    during Cano’s (or anyone’s) free agency, things are done and said that are part of ‘the game.’ sometime emotions get the better of people in these situations, too.

    the yankees had their people putting out the company line too.

    but once ‘the game’ is over and someone signs somewhere, to me, all that crap goes right out the window.

    and fwiw, cano was very complimentary towards the yankees and the fans at the presser yesterday.

    i’m sorry he made the choice he made but I cant blame him and i’ll miss having him on the Yankees.

  103. MTU April 30th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    CC’s margin of error is now so small it’s pretty easy for him to unravel.

    One bad pitch lead to it last night.

    It’s hard to have the level of command and focus CC now seems to require.

  104. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    I find it pretty weird that someone as good as CC Sabathia seems to fall a part so easily when something goes wrong. I wonder if he doesn’t have confidence due to the lack of stuff.

  105. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Three 16 yo international players the Yankees have plans to sign this summer.

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....-prospects

  106. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Though Mike Mussina had the same problem. So I guess its not that weird, though Mike Mussina was a weird guy so maybe its a weird guy problem.

  107. MTU April 30th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Phelps and Nuno both getting their chances to show what they’ve got.

  108. MTU April 30th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    If another starter is needed I’d stretch Warren out and backfill the pen w someone else.

    Warren has the stuff to be a starter.

    He might be the best of the 3.

  109. Shame Spencer April 30th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Like I said, I agree McCann is the better talent.. but with the catching depth in the system you could make the case that a guy like Salty could’ve gotten the job done and also been very easily replaced with JR or Sanchez without much of a kerfuffle. It would’ve also freed up money for INFers. I don’t think Salty will be the guy he’s been over the last 20 games forever.. just saying it’s interesting to examine.

  110. 86w183 April 30th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    No denying it’s debatable if McCann is worth the extra $$$ over the other two.

    I hope they don’t start Betances…. he’s just now repeating his delivery and having some success.

  111. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Mussina was in better shape, than Sabathia, who seems winded now out there on the mound.

  112. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    MTU

    I agree, Warren now appears to be ahead of Phelps, and has more strikeout “stuff” than Phelps.

  113. MTU April 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Sorry for the quick drive by but duty calls once again.

    Later.

  114. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    “Brian Roberts is hitting .211/.313/.268 (65 wRC+) Brian Roberts is now the worst-hitting second baseman in the AL”

  115. Bo knows April 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    I would start Betances, except;

    For a dominant pitcher, sure takes a lot of pitches to achieve desired effect.

    He normally requires about twenty pitches an inning.

    There’s the eight year history as a starter.

    No options left, any success has to be at the Majors level.

    If it’s working, let it be…

  116. Against All Odds April 30th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I wonder if he doesn’t have confidence due to the lack of stuff.

    ————————

    Probably. As we all know confidence is a big thing for athletes.

    Maybe he’s trying to be too perfect since he doesn’t have the stuff.

  117. Jerkface April 30th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    No options left, any success has to be at the Majors level.

    Betances has 1 option left.

  118. Yankee Trader April 30th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Until later all.

    Have a great day

  119. Chip April 30th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    blake April 30th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Betances is exactly where he needs to be…..I wouldn’t mess with him…..he’s finally producing. Making him a starter again isn’t a good idea IMO…..he tried to do it for 8 years…..he be at 100 pitches in 4 innings……and if he comes out wild one day there you’re bullpen is shot that day and days to follow. He’s a reliever……let it go
    ——————-

    Agree completely.

  120. Chip April 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Said it before and will say it again – the issue with Betances as a starter isn’t his stuff because clearly he has the stuff to start – it’s his lack of ability to control it over a long period of time because he can’t repeat his delivery. Even as a relief pitcher, where he only has to hold it together for a short period of time, he goes through serious bouts of inconsistency leading to his high walk rates (7 in 13 IP).

    As a starter he’s probably Daniel Cabrera, a big arm that will tantalize but never have enough control to be effective. As a reliever he could be special.

    Jerkface points out correctly that as a reliever Betances hasn’t moved up in the pecking order and he’s right – but the reason he hasn’t moved up is because of that same issue – control.

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