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Yankees postgame: CC struggles again

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 04, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CC SabathiaThe Yankees need CC Sabathia to pitch well, but he hasn’t been overly trustworthy this season, just like last season when he owned that career-worst 4.78 ERA.

His ERA through seven starts stands at 5.75, which goes with a 3-4 record.

“I think last year I got down on myself and made myself miserable,” Sabathia said. “This year, I’m going to stay positive. … I know I can get these guys out.”

He had trouble with that in the 5-1 loss to the Rays Sunday, giving up the five runs and 10 hits in 3 2/3. He heard the boos coming off.

“I would’ve booed myself today, too,” Sabathia said. “I wouldn’t want to come to the ballpark and watch that.”

It was his shortest outing since 2009.

“I still think he’s evolving into a different type of pitcher,” Joe Girardi said, “but today he didn’t have his normal type of stuff.”

Hiroki Kuroda is 2-3 with a 5.14 ERA in six starts. Then there are the injuries to Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda.

“Is it a concern? Sure,” Larry Rothschild said. “But I think Kuroda and CC have a chance to get things going here.”

Alfredo Aceves pitched well in long relief, allowing no runs and three hits over the final 5 1/3.

“He did a heck of a job today,” Girardi said. “He saved our bullpen.”

Aceves had a problem in the fifth in the right thigh area.

“The doctor checked it out and said it was OK,” Aceves said.

Alfonso Soriano had a double and now needs just three hits to become the seventh with 1,000 hits in the AL and the NL.

Derek Jeter went 0 for 4 in the game and 4 for 30 on the homestand. His average fell to .240. But he said he feels good.

“When you’re an older player, any time you go through a slump, the age thing is going to be brought up,” Girardi said. “… We have to get him back on track.”

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180 Responses to “Yankees postgame: CC struggles again”

  1. mick May 4th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    CC looks done…if this is all he’s got, do we put up with it all year and next?

  2. blake May 4th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    At the moment the only interesting things about the Yankees are Ellsbury, Tanaka, and Betances……Tex’s recent play intrigues me a little but I need to see a much bigger sample on that.

    They gotta get the old guys going and McCann has to start hitting

  3. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    repost:
    Chicken, at least you recognized Hughes problem early on, I think the Y’s FO opinion on Hughes was based entirely on his Texas “no-hitter” start. (I know he had a great 1st half in 2009, but he was also the beneficiary of great run support.)

  4. chicken_stanley May 4th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    exiled – thanks for the save… I was wound up and ready to stay on the previous thread for a while :)

  5. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    CC needs to “reinvent himself” playing winter ball, not during the regular season.

  6. mick May 4th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Let’s go Rangers!
    Beat the Penguins.

  7. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Title S/B CC’s struggles continue.

  8. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    “I think last year I got down on myself and made myself miserable,” Sabathia said. “This year, I’m going to stay positive. … I know I can get these guys out.”

    Hard not to be positive when the checks keep coming in regardless. Lost weight, looking good, wifes happy, so why be miserable?. Even the worst pitchers get guys out more than 60% of the time. Its not about getting guys out, its about keeping them from scoring and winning games .

    Of course, when the offense scores 1 run against a schmuck like Bedard, doesn’t matter what CC does.

  9. austinmac May 4th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    The Yankees have played mostly at home and against lesser competition. This looks like a sub .500 team with the rotation in shambles and no offense to make up for it.

  10. Hankflorida May 4th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Since there is nothing that the Yanks can do with this lineup but hope that they can begin to hit with RISP and score more then they did last year of 640 runs. What they can do is evaluate their pitching staff and move the pieces around. It is a shame that the Yanks would have to break up a relief corp of Aceves, Betances, Warren, Thorton, Kelley and Robertson, but what if CC, Kuroda, Phelps and Nova cannot get them into the fifth, sixth or seventh with a lead. For a team that may play with Ellsbury, Gardner and Ichiro, we have speed and defense. What is missing from the equation is pitching, and the Yanks have the arms where moving them around is not like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Time is of the essence, and we do have the 2nd Wildcard.

  11. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Coming into tonights game, from April 9-May 3, Solartes line is 219/.333 /.313/.646. Thats 18 games and 75 PA

    His numbers are still carried by his first 7 games where he went 458/.519 /.708 /1.227 against the Astros/Blue Jays/Orioles pitching staffs. Better pitching and perhaps teams have figured him out (pitching and defense positioning since his BABIP in this period is 260).

    Still has pretty good numbers against RHP’ers but seems he is getting most of his AB against LHP’ers.

  12. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    The hitting will come around, I am not worried about it. The back of their baseball cards speak to that. The starting pitching is another story, were it not for Sabathia and Kuroda’s abysmal performances we would have a pretty big lead.

  13. Captain Clutch May 4th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    It’s obvious that CC is totally lost and doesn’t know how to fix himself. Unfortunately not every pitcher can do what Mussina and Pettitte were able to do. I think you have to have a high pitching IQ and it doesn’t seem like he does. It seems like the Yanks are stuck with this version of CC.

  14. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    mick May 4th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    CC looks done…if this is all he’s got, do we put up with it all year and next?
    ========================

    NTC and guaranteed contract. What you going to do. So maybe he finishes as a number 5 SP’er, or gets moved to the pen. Might try him at DH too, he used to hit pretty well. From 2003-2008 he batted 278 in 79 AB with 3 HR. Only 2 for 21 since joining the Yankees though.

  15. Madrugador May 4th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    De la Cruz had a nice first start for Scranton today.
    Only problem I find is that when I am paying more attention to the minor leagues its usually because I can’t look at the big league club.

  16. blake May 4th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Stephen Drew ….paging you

  17. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Maybe Tanaka can teach CC the split. He needs another pitch

  18. austinmac May 4th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    I just read the Yankees are 5-1 when Jeter doesn’t play. Ouch.

  19. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Solarte sort of dampened the need for Drew, but if he has come down to earth (and I don’t rule him bouncing back a bit) then Drew really makes too much sense. Boras might even be teaching him to pitch .

  20. austinmac May 4th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Solarte looks to me a better offensive version of Nix. Nothing in his history suggests he is a regular. It is scary that he is one of our best infielders.

  21. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    The hitting will come around, I am not worried about it. The back of their baseball cards speak to that
    ========================

    I don’t actually disagree with the first part but the back of the cards are focused on the past. You have guys in their declining years at RF (37), SS (40), 1B (34), 2B (36), DH (38) and maybe C (30) since some catchers seem to decline a bit earlier. They are unlikely to all match their career averages

    I think they are better than what they have shown of late, but I don’t trust the back of the baseball card projection system

  22. Madrugador May 4th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Interesting thought this morning about how playing the shift has changed the role of the prototypical third baseman. Don’t think Brooks Robinson would have fit into the shift defense but maybe Solarte is just right for it.

  23. luis May 4th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Good evening,

    I won’t comment on the game since I didn’t get to watch it..Although many comments were very concerning in regard C.

    Hank,

    We also have an IF D problem if you ask me…The things is as this..This team was built around pitching with a slightly improved offense, but with lots of question marks on injury risks, age and the infield D… Well, we lost 2 SP in Nova and Pineda, at least for a while the latter and C and Kuroda are struggling..The offense has not produced as expected so it puts an additional burden on the BP which has been wonderful.. But I think eventually it will improve. At least in the case of McCann and Beltran.

    This was an 85-86 wins team with all the rotation in place and producing as expected (That means: Nova pitching like last season, Tanaka doing well, CC having a bounce back although not as good as he used, Kuroda being Kuroda and Pineda rounding up the rotation) and the offense producing slightly better numbers than last season… With all the injuries and the underperforming offense, this team takes a hit of about 5-8 wins…So basically we are back to square one.

    What would I do? Stretch Betances, pray for Pineda being ok and ready as soon as possible while filling his spot with either Pheps/Aceves/ Nuno…Warren needs to stay on the BP IMO, although he has 4 pitches..Trade or sign for an IF..Bring up Zoilo and Flores…Maybe that way we can hold the fort

  24. ScottinSJ May 4th, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Solarte is not at all an issue. At the least the guy has some potential and surprises on occasion. You can’t say that about Sabathia, Jeter or Beltran. At least Jeter is gone next year. I’m still waiting for him to pull a ball. If I recall his last ball to left was that double off the wall early in April.

    Might as well play Ryan as much as possible now; he won’t hit much worse than Jeter and he field anything near him. Jeter should only be out there 3-4 days a week, and that’s only due to respect for his past (which unfortunately plays too large a factor). Jeter says he feels good? Wow, what would be seeing if he were nicked up?

    As for Beltran, if he’s hurt, he should say something. Otherwise, he’s a liability at the plate and even more in the field. At least hustle once in a while, would you?

    I would definitely drop Jeter and Beltran in the lineup. Sorry, Captain, the bell tolls for all of us eventually. You can’t continue to get nothing from your #2 & 3 hitters.

    This team will struggle to play .500 ball.

  25. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    I don’t actually disagree with the first part but the back of the cards are focused on the past. You have guys in their declining years at RF (37), SS (40), 1B (34), 2B (36), DH (38) and maybe C (30) since some catchers seem to decline a bit earlier. They are unlikely to all match their career averages
    I think they are better than what they have shown of late, but I don’t trust the back of the baseball card projection system.
    _____________

    I don’t think so, because in my opinion it’s not at all likely that any age related decline would happen to that many good players – at the same time. I think Soriano, Beltran, Teixeira, McCann are going to hit.

  26. luis May 4th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Madrugador May 4th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
    Interesting thought this morning about how playing the shift has changed the role of the prototypical third baseman. Don’t think Brooks Robinson would have fit into the shift defense but maybe Solarte is just right for it.

    =================

    Interesting point…Although I think teams in general are abusing the shift…And it works against one dimensional hitters mostly…I guess that what the teams will concentrate on is in finding players that can use the whole field to beat the shift… But in the short term, the 3B will need to be more like a SS..I could be wrong though, but shifting isn’t a new idea..It has been implemented in the past and it hasn’t stayed long term

  27. blake May 4th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Jeter will hit ….at least more than he is now but even if he doesn’t…..this is it for him and I’m gonna enjoy it more than criticize…..he’s almost 40…..I want them to strengthen the team around him to send him out a winner even if he ends up doing it as more of a supplemental player.

    The easiest and most glaring spot to fix is 2B…..they are getting a big fat zero from that position

  28. Madrugador May 4th, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Don’t understand this stretch out Betances move thinking. In 122 minor league games he averaged close to 5 walks per 9 innings. To me that is a sufficient sample size that says he is not a starter. A bigger role in the bull pen? definitely!

  29. CompassRosy May 4th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    JimK May 4th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
    As of right now the Y’s are playing at a pace to win 86-87 games, but, and this is a big but, they need to beat the teams they are supposed to beat(e.g. Mariners and Astros).

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    yeah, the Y’s are . . .
    13-11 vs sub .500 teams, 3-3 vs teams over .500

    by contrast, the M’s are . . .
    3-3 vs sub .500 teams, 11-12 vs teams over .500

    Be interesting to see how things shake out when the schedules balance out a bit.

  30. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Aceves earned a starting spot today. He and Phelps should be enough to compliment a pen of DRob,Kelley, Warren, Betances, Thornton, Nuno, and Claibourne.

    I am hoping the warm weather revives CC and Kuroda.

    Nobody else’s staff is that much better.

  31. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    That’s not true Blake, Roberts has played well at times. In any event, that is not the problem, starting pitching is. It’s pretty obvious that if Sabathia and Kuroda had pitched well, we would be more than fine. The infield defense is not even on the radar right now. Pitching is the most important facet of the game.

  32. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    I want them to strengthen the team around him to send him out a winner even if he ends up doing it as more of a supplemental player.
    ================================
    I want to think Jeter wants to go out a winner and will walk into Joe’s office and volunteer to be dropped in the order.
    I want to see a month’s worth of Ells and Gardy atop the order.

  33. luis May 4th, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    Madrugador,

    Context…Since he applied the changes in his mechanics he has been pretty consistent, so his past history is a little misleading..More importantly, he is very hard to hit..There isn’t a better option to replace Nova and he is probably the best arm the Yankees have..If it doesn’t work, you send him back to the pen…There isn’t much to lose… He is clearly better than the other options IMO.

  34. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    producing as expected (That means: Nova pitching like last season,
    ============================================
    For a guy who has always been inconsistent, relying on Nova was a mistake from the outset.

  35. luis May 4th, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    One more thing..Will it happen?..I don’t think so

  36. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    I get playing Johnson more , but against a lefty today?
    Maybe it was rest time for Roberts..

  37. ScottinSJ May 4th, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    mick — I totally agree with you re: Jeter. I disagree on the quality of AL East pitching. Sadly, Boston has four starters clearly better than anyone we have other than Tanaka.

  38. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    Girardi can’t find the right lineup.
    It’s different every day.

  39. chicken_stanley May 4th, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Watching the Sunday night game… Does it strike anyone else as ironic that the teams are dressed in throwback uniforms but the game is in Wrigley at NIGHT :)

  40. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    I would play Solarte over Ryan at SS if Jeter were hurt.
    Ryan is a late inning defensive replacement ONLY.

  41. backbench May 4th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
    SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    The hitting will come around, I am not worried about it. The back of their baseball cards speak to that
    ========================

    I don’t actually disagree with the first part but the back of the cards are focused on the past. You have guys in their declining years at RF (37), SS (40), 1B (34), 2B (36), DH (38) and maybe C (30) since some catchers seem to decline a bit earlier. They are unlikely to all match their career averages

    I think they are better than what they have shown of late, but I don’t trust the back of the baseball card projection system

    __________________________________________

    Important observation. The numbers on the back of the baseball card are only useful if you expect these hitting levels to regress to the norm. But that is predicated on nothing having changed to the process, and all of the players noted above are, to one degree or another, being impacted by the surge in teams using the shift against them.

    There are real issues here, especially if they refuse to adjust.

  42. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Compassrosy, the sub 500 teams you are looking at include the Rays and the RS, the Y’s need to beat up on teams such as the M’s and the Astros to have a legitimate shot at being a contender.

  43. j9d May 4th, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    That Yankees scored only one off Bedard is as much of a problem as CC…and CC. Is most assuredly a problem at this point.

  44. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Ellsbury is the key to this team.
    He has to be on base and he went 0-4 today as Bedard had it goin on. Tip your hat, move on.

  45. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Re: back of their BB cards
    Ralph Houk always said that over the course of the year a player would hit where he had historically hit, but I am sure he was referring to players still in their prime.

  46. j9d May 4th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Much easier to tip your hat if your offense has some consistent productivity. Offense will come around at some point but no consistent manner of productivity to this point. Quite the opposite. But of course we move on.

  47. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    To pin this season on 2 question marks like Nova and Pineda is defeatism.
    We don’t know what Phelps and Aceves will give and they are your 4-5 starters just like the other 2 were.
    We will hit.

  48. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    How do you expect the offense to be consistent when Jeter is like 1-28?
    If Girardi doesn’t go with the obvious formula he is either stubborn or stupid.

  49. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I just read the Yankees are 5-1 when Jeter doesn’t play. Ouch.

    —————
    Unfortunately, that says a lot about the current Y’s.

  50. mick May 4th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    you throw the names beltran mccann tex soriano into a hat…it doesn’t matter where you put them in the lineup.
    if you are lucky enough to get random HR’s from any of them, you just hope ellsbury, gardner or ichiro was on base .
    unfortunately it might take a long losing streak or injury to convince joe to fix the top of the order.

  51. Mordot11 May 4th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I just read the Yankees are 5-1 when Jeter doesn’t play. Ouch.
    ——————————————————–
    6 games is hardly a significant sample size.

  52. bigdan22 May 4th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    . . . this is it for him and I’m gonna enjoy it more than criticize…..he’s almost 40…..I want them to strengthen the team around him to send him out a winner . . .

    —–

    I apologize for the editing. But this is borderline insane. Jeter has been a great player. But under no circumstances does he or any other individual player have the right to bring the great Yankee franchise down.

    Joe D stepped aside when it was clear to him he couldn’t perform. Is Jeter more revered or more important in Yankee lore or the pantheon Yankee greats than Joltin Joe? The last American Hero?

    Will Jeter perform at an acceptable level (which is basically an non-embarrassing level) for the rest of this season? I don’t know. But right now, he and CC are clearly the biggest liabilities on this team. If they both continue to play at this horrific level then it’s on the team and the management. Because they lacked the courage to do what was right for the franchise and the fans. Because that’s their constituency. Not the almighty Derek Jeter. Last I checked, he was just an employee.

    Damn that was well written.

  53. NYYanksFan May 4th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Girardi said running a farewell tour wasn’t his job so if there’s a better option available, Jeter needs to sit.

  54. mick May 4th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I just read the Yankees are 5-1 when Jeter doesn’t play.
    =====================
    I know for a fact that 2 of those wins had ells and gardy aT the top of the order.
    both games produced close to 10 runs each.

  55. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Jeter is on a par with Ruth, DiMaggio and Mantle in Yankee folklore. It’s his last year and treating him with the utmost respect is far more important in my opinion than any possible advantage one might garner from dropping him in the order or anything other than putting him in the lineup and letting him give it his all.

  56. Madrugador May 4th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Luis-
    Betances 7 walks in 15.2 innings this year. He is right where he was in the minors with his control issues. If you make him take a little off his hard stuff so he can last 6+ innings, he is a more vulnerable pitcher and he still has the control issues.

    Just not feeling him as a starter.

    CC and Kuroda have to be more successful and some combination of the staff they have need to step up and fill two of the starting roles until and if Pineda can come back. That article about the Latissumus Dorsi injury in pitchers did not look promising to me but then again it was only a series of 16 pitchers. Still don’t understand why with so much money tied up in these athletes, more isn’t done to determine the best way to condition them so they stay on the field.

    Early start tomorrow.
    As always, I enjoy reading the posts.
    Thanks.

  57. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Mordot, that was not my statistic, it was posted by someone else here, and while you are correct that it is a small sample size, as of right now it is 20% of the Y’s games played.

  58. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8vLZu-G3Qo

    Violent femmes – great band!

  59. mick May 4th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    in my opinion than any possible advantage one might garner from dropping him in the order or anything other than putting him in the lineup and letting him give it his all.
    ===============
    how long do you give him?

  60. JimK May 4th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    “The Clock says its time to close now, I guess I better go now….” Goodnight All.

  61. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    This season Mick, it’s his last as you know.

  62. ScottinSJ May 4th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Folklore, mystique, legend — what is this crap, a YES commercial? Respecting the past is one thing, living in it is another. Then again, we’re stuck with too many players with fine pasts, but very limited presents and futures.

  63. exiledintampa May 4th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    I thought the plan was to give Jeter DH days. Hasn’t happened yet. Maybe when Ryan gets back. Joe has been really good at not over extending Ichiro. I think that’s why he’s helped so much so far. Jeter could use some half days with a better defense out there.

  64. exiledintampa May 4th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    JimK Good night Bossman.

  65. mick May 4th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    This season Mick, it’s his last as you know.
    ==========================
    are you for real?

  66. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    ScottinSJ May 4th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    “Folklore, mystique, legend — what is this crap…”
    ———–

    It’s what makes the Yankees the greatest franchise in sports history. Jeter will be in Monument Park, is a first ballot Hall of Famer and will go down in history as one of the all time Yankee greats. I’m sorry you don’t get that or think that he isn’t deserving of maximum respect in this his last year. Most Yankee fans do.

  67. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Mick you said how long do I give him. I said this season.

  68. mick May 4th, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    sweet are you who we think you are?

  69. exiledintampa May 4th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Then again, we’re stuck with too many players with fine pasts, but very limited presents and futures.

    I hear Jeter gives out some terrific presents.

  70. mick May 4th, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    I’ll leave you multiples to your lonesome…

  71. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Mick, I am not going to play childish games. I have my opinion on Jeter and you are entitled to yours.

  72. bigdan22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    “It’s what makes the Yankees the greatest franchise in sports history. Jeter will be in Monument Park, is a first ballot Hall of Famer and will go down in history as one of the all time Yankee greats. I’m sorry you don’t get that or think that he isn’t deserving of maximum respect in this his last year. Most Yankee fans do.”

    —-

    You might want to do some research on how Ruth left the Yanks. It was pretty ugly. The Yanks were disrespectful. Now I’m def not saying that the Yanks should treat Jeter the way they treated the Babe. Absolutely not. But my point is, it’s difficult for legends to leave gracefully. That’s what made Joe D so special. He knew when the time was right.

    In his personal life, Joe D was one of the biggest you know what. But in his public life, he couldn’t have been more sublime. I’ve always hoped that Derek would emulate Joe in that regard. Know when the time was right. My mom always told me growing up. You leave the game on top just like Joe did. You want people to remember you like the perfect player they always imagined you to be. In Joe’s case, it was unyielding pride.

    I want to think of No. 2 and No. 5 and always being together. Not just in monument park. But in what it means to be the perfect baseball player.

  73. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ELpmmeT69cE#

    Yes, what a band!

  74. Triple Short of a Cycle May 4th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Jeter is on a par with Ruth, DiMaggio and Mantle in Yankee folklore. It’s his last year and treating him with the utmost respect is far more important in my opinion than any possible advantage one might garner from dropping him in the order or anything other than putting him in the lineup and letting him give it his all.

    —————————

    To compare Jeter to those 3 guys are laughable and I’m a big Jeter fan. Those are immortals. No comparison

  75. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    Triple, you’ve got, Mike Bossy, who cares about Dale Hunter, I don’t. The guy was a ba$tard for hitting Pierre Tugeon!

  76. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Interesting thing about CC today is he had his best FB of the season with his four seamer averaging almost 92 mph. CC does tend to improve on velocity as the season progresses. However, he threw it at only 1/2 the rate he usually has this season . However, he did not have a good outcome on any of his pitches. He needs another pitch, like I said up thread, maybe a splitter is what allows him to get by with lesser stuff

  77. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    * Turgeon – I spelled his name wrong. Triple, Pierre Turgeon is a great player, mess with him, and you mess with me and, Wendel Clark! :D I hate Dale Hunter!

  78. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    exiledintampa May 4th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    I thought the plan was to give Jeter DH days.
    ===================

    Does not hit well enough to DH IMO. He just needs more bench days when he is struggling. Ryan will not hit any better than a slumping Jeter, but will make some more play assuming his back is 100%. Drew would be a great guy to replace Jeter against RHP’ers on his bench days, and play 3B on days when Jeter is at SS which is an upgraded now that Solarte seems to have come down to earth, and Johnson at 2B is an upgrade over Roberts..

  79. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    bigdan22 – Jeter did know when the time was right. That’s why he announced his retirement. He’s not embarrassing himself out there.

  80. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    Triple, Derek Jeter is a Yankee immortal as well. In my opinion.

  81. chicken_stanley May 4th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    jmills – one of my top five favorite songs of all time

  82. CompassRosy May 4th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
    Compassrosy, the sub 500 teams you are looking at include the Rays and the RS, the Y’s need to beat up on teams such as the M’s and the Astros to have a legitimate shot at being a contender.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    JimK ~
    I don’t disagree.
    I just thought it was interesting that so far, the Y’s have played a total of 6 games vs teams over .500, whereas the M’s have played a total of 23 games vs teams over .500
    (btw ~ currently, record-wise, the M’s are closer to the Y’s than they are to the Astros)

  83. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zS8LU3Lwep0#

    Wendel

  84. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    It’s what makes the Yankees the greatest franchise in sports history. Jeter will be in Monument Park, is a first ballot Hall of Famer and will go down in history as one of the all time Yankee greats. I’m sorry you don’t get that or think that he isn’t deserving of maximum respect in this his last year. Most Yankee fans do.
    =====================

    I do agree with most all of that. However, respect goes both ways, if Jeter can’t get the job done, he should take himself out of the lineup or request to bat lower in the order and show respect for team and fans.

    Not giving up on Jeter yet, its probably just a slump, but if it comes to that thats what should happen

  85. Barry May 4th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Derek Jeter is beyond Yankee folklore but one of the most important men in the world.

  86. chicken_stanley May 4th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    jmills – from your compatriots:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGl8O9bJEes

  87. austinmac May 4th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    I remember all too well how Mickey went out. It wasn’t pretty. I hope better for Derek.

  88. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    CompassRosy May 4th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    JimK May 4th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
    Compassrosy, the sub 500 teams you are looking at include the Rays and the RS,
    ==================

    But both were playing awful baseball. Rays SP’ing decimated and coming off a double header which killed their bullpen to start the season, and the Red Sox offense just was not clicking and was missing some key parts. Both may be very good teams at the end of the day, but they were not when the Yankees played them

  89. exiledintampa May 4th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    The Rays bullpen got better today when they released Heath Bell. Addition by subtraction.

  90. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    “I do agree with most all of that. However, respect goes both ways, if Jeter can’t get the job done, he should take himself out of the lineup or request to bat lower in the order and show respect for team and fans.”
    —————–
    Fair point. However, I don’t think Jeter’s performance to date is anywhere close to warranting that yet. And, I suspect if Jeter ever went to Girardi and Cashman with that offer they would turn it down.

  91. chicken_stanley May 4th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    Mac – From earlier: doesn’t sound promising that we cross paths in the windy city… Hopefully, I’ll visit Ft Worth soon… if so, its just a hop, skip, and a jump to your locale for some BBQ! :)

  92. bigdan22 May 4th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
    bigdan22 – Jeter did know when the time was right. That’s why he announced his retirement. He’s not embarrassing himself out there

    ——-

    When Joe announced his retirement he left the game. He didn’t stay around another year.

    Truth be told, Joe D was not the same player in CF in 1951 that he had been before. Casey told Mickey to cover for him from RF during the ’51 World Series, right before Mick’s cleat got caught in the drain and tore up his knee. A scouting report had been published a year before in SI saying that Joe couldn’t move anymore in CF and his arm was only good for one throw a game.

    Time and tide wait for no man. When I see Derek try to move for a ground ball and trip, or dive for a ball a couple feet away from him, I can’t help but think the writing is on the wall. But is it legible to the most important reader?

  93. pete22 May 4th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    I don’t think Jeter gets enough credit for playing in the most competitive era in MLB history. Players who played the game when there were no blacks or dark Latinos played in an era with a diminished talent pool. The depression and wars and slow pace of full integration in the AL as well as expansion reduced the talent pool until the late 70′s.

    Despite additional expansion the Latino explosion that began in the early 90′s, increased training by players who no longer had to work in the offseason supplementing income has resulted in some of the best baseball ever played. Sure, maybe the ball was juiced but so were pitchers, and with optimized pitching usage batters face tougher pitching IMO with more fast balls in the mid 90′s than ever and pitches like the split and slider that were not common before the 1960′s as they are today.

  94. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    chicken, as Anne Sexton says so, New Orleans is sinking man, and, I don’t know what to do :)

  95. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Cowboy junkies – love Margot Timmons! ” Sweet Jane ” etc….

  96. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    The Tragically Hip were, and are a great rock band. Saw them open for Rush in ’92. Fantastique! :)

  97. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Rush are a great band to see live. Alex Lifeson absolutely hurt my right ear,…in a good way.

  98. Yankees_Fan May 4th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Is ot disrespect to move down in the order because you aren’t performing? Why was it ok to A-Rod when he was still productive and why isn’t it to Jeter now. Why can’t Jeter move to third, where he wont be the liability on defense that he is?

    I love Jeter and wish he has an excellent last year, but what is wrong with changing things up for the sake of the team? He wants to go out winning a championship. Let him do what is right to make it happen.

  99. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Comparing Jeter to A-Rod? Come one now. :)

  100. SweetSpot May 4th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    If Jeter had come out and said he wanted to play three more years, I would have been really disappointed and thought he was doing the wrong thing. But he didn’t, I think he knew it was time.

  101. austinmac May 4th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Chicken,

    We’ll catch up for some BBQ.

  102. jmills May 4th, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    Go, McGowan!

  103. Melkmanisinhotlanta May 4th, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    CC signed with Jay Z, looks like we will have CC until he’s 40 or so. Jayz is that good!

  104. Melkmanisinhotlanta May 4th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    CC, when does his contract end? He was extended in 2011? This is going to be ugly.

  105. Melkmanisinhotlanta May 4th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Sadly, I drank the hot stove koolaid and predicted 95 wins this year for the NYY. Looks like 85 wins might be very aggressive. The injuries to the pitching have devastated this team. Phil Hughes is going to look like Cy Young compared to some of the mugs that fill in.

  106. alabamayankee May 4th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Yeah, Joe, he is “evolving into a different kind of pitcher.” A lousy, ineffectual one. Why can’t you evolve and speak the truth about your players? It would be so refreshing to hear a manager say, “He stinks!” But no, you feel it necessary to coddle the prima donnas, and in the process you look like a fool. Say what you will about John Torterella, he told it like it is. Time for a little Howard Cosell-type honesty. Your players will respect you, and the fans will love you for it.

  107. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    I just watched the condensed version, as I thankfully missed the game. CC looked like he was pitching batting practice, and actually Bedard was not much better, but the offense couldn’t do anything, often getting two on and nothing to show for it. 0 for 10 with RISP.

  108. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    Baby Bombers today:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....in-102898/

    RF Ramon Flores: 2-5, 2 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 1 BB, 2 K – 24-for-72 (.333) with seven doubles, one triple, and two homers in his last 18 games

    LF Zoilo Almonte: 3-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 BB, 1 SB — 12-for-36 (.333) with four doubles and three homers in his last eight games

  109. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Good night.

    Phelps who hasn’t pitched in a long while vs Weaver.

  110. BoJo May 4th, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    Thanks to the use of the Bojometer, we are now able to tell what a person is really thinking while they deploy old cliches. Let’s turn it on and go back to today’s post game interviews and see WHAT THEY REALLY MEANT…

    CC: “I think last year I got down on myself and made myself miserable,” Sabathia said. “This year, I’m going to stay positive. …[I'M POSITIVE I REALLY S*CK!"]

    Girardi: “I still think he’s evolving into a different type of pitcher…[A LOSING BLOWHARD WHO REALLY S*CKS!:]

    Larry Rothschild: “Is it a concern? Sure, but I think Kuroda and CC have a chance to get things going here.”[LIKE GETTING THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF FIRED GOING--IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT]

    Girardi: “When you’re an older player, any time you go through a slump, the age thing is going to be brought up,” [AND I HOPE TO GOD HE IS LISTENING AND RETIRES EARLY]

  111. yankinvegas May 4th, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    How do you get shut down by Erik Bedard? Think about it.
    How could Hal and Cashman ignore the infield? Hopefully Tex will be fine but the other three spots look terrible.
    Play Johnson and platoon Roberts and Solarte. Play Ryan at short for his glove.
    When Joe said on April 12 that he wasn’t managing a farewell tour he probably never figured it would come to this. This could get really ugly.
    How ironic is it that all the experts were going on and on about the age of the team, yet injuries to two starting pitchers in their mid-twenties look like the fatal blow.
    The one saving grace is that the whole division sucks big time. Maybe the baseball gods will demand that Jeter go out a winner.
    85 wins might do it.

  112. BoJo May 4th, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    I’m going to wait until trading deadline to pronounce final judgment on this team. I think this team is one good trade away from going far in post season. That trade is the current team less Tanaka for the Oakland A’s. That should do it.

  113. NYY_Girl_Penny May 4th, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    Girardi is the idiot who doesn’t know how to make a lineup. We have a few players actually hitting the ball pretty well, where are they? ON THE BENCH and when they’re not on the bench one hits 1st another 6th and another 9th, that way when they get on base we can have the non-hitting hitters strand them. Next inning we’ll have a good hitter get on base, and the same thing! Rinse repeat. That’s on clueless Girardi who has no feel for the game and still thinks Jeter is 24yo and McCan’t is the best players since Mantle.

    It’s comedy when I read here

    “I’m not worried about the bats they will come around, their resumes are too good not to.”

    That quote doesn’t even deserve a comment but it’s hysterical about “their resumes being too good” LOL!

    Another month of people bullying me for being negative and pointing out how pathetic our bats are only to start repeating the same things I was saying weeks ago.

    P.S. for all of you Brian McCaan lovers, his stats are slightly better than Russell Martin’s the last few years! Below BA with a small amount of power. So how does his NL translate to he’ll be even better in the AL ? Yet Girardi bats him 4th and puts this ridiculous amount of pressure on him. 17M*4 with a NTC ? LOL.

    There’s just so much wrong with this team year after year and buying up all the FA’s available “BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER OPTION” and hoping they’ll catch fire in NY is just foolish and donkey’ish. Meanwhile passing up on defectors/players with low risk high reward, and going with low risk/low reward and over-paying for it drives me crazy !!

    You can think that the bats will turn it around for no other proof than you want to believe it true, but when you remove the blinders, and stop believing players are who they were years ago, you just may be able to look at the truth and stop making yourself look so little league.

  114. Barry May 5th, 2014 at 12:13 am

    Two points

    Howard Cosell was not a manager — of anything or anyone.

    Joe Girardi has all the tools to manage for the six months plus of a baseball season. This line up construction brilliance on Lohud is ‘perfect’ nonsense. WE do not evaluate performance by a day, a week, month or even several months. Performances in baseball, unlike the other sports, evolve. The fans on this board need to relax.

  115. BoJo May 5th, 2014 at 12:18 am

    Watch Showalter’s Orioles take the east this year…

  116. UnKnown May 5th, 2014 at 12:22 am

    “The easiest and most glaring spot to fix is 2B…..they are getting a big fat zero from that position”

    Um, pretty sure Brian “PED USER” Roberts had a multi hit game just a few games ago. He is obviously the best 2B in the game because he had ONE good game all year. Nice try though Blakeroo. grrr…

  117. JimK May 5th, 2014 at 12:30 am

    Jmills, thanks for the video, I actually saw Yes a few years ago, obviously not the original band but they still put on a great show; my reference was to the Doors, “Soul Kitchen,” so I guess I am really getting old.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxizIrbcSuU

  118. JimK May 5th, 2014 at 12:35 am

    PS: I could have really gone depressing and quoted “The End,” or when “The Music’s Over.”

    Exiled, thanks for the “Bossman” reference, which would have inspired a quote from “One Step Up, and Two Steps Back.”

  119. JimK May 5th, 2014 at 12:38 am

    My final music video of the day(You cannot win if you do not play):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EN9sHam7m0

  120. Hankflorida May 5th, 2014 at 12:46 am

    What would I do? Stretch Betances, pray for Pineda being ok and ready as soon as possible while filling his spot with either Pheps/Aceves/ Nuno…Warren needs to stay on the BP IMO, although he has 4 pitches..Trade or sign for an IF..Bring up Zoilo and Flores…Maybe that way we can hold the fort.

    Luis, you are trying to find some solution, and in reality, it all come down to pitching. I think of the 2010 one dimensional home run team that made it to the playoffs with a CC who was still dealing and Pettitte followed by not so reliable pitchers in Burnette, Hughes, Vasquez, and they scored over 850 runs to cover this erratic pitching of their other 3 arms. The possibility is that this team may score much less and cannot afford CC and Kuroda to pitch to an ERA of 5.00. The strength of this team is the bullpen with Betances and Warren, but if the starting pitching has to hold the fort and can’t, it may be too late for the cavelry to save the season.

  121. JimK May 5th, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Actually, I lied; this last music clip is dedicated to McCann, who after reviewing his stats I thought was a bad signing(PS: it was a tossup between the Simon and Garfunkel’s “The Boxer,” and Jefferson Airplane’s “Lather,” I chose the latter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WF4FF8QrQE

  122. JimK May 5th, 2014 at 12:56 am

    What the heck, its late and no one is really paying attention so here is my Jeter dedication(Cloud 9):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7svkki14zbk

  123. pete22 May 5th, 2014 at 1:03 am

    “The easiest and most glaring spot to fix is 2B…..they are getting a big fat zero from that position”

    Well, here are the position production figures by position going into todays game, remembering that multiple players have plated each position

    OPS (AL ranking)

    1B – 869 (2nd)
    2B- 710 (8)
    SS -571 (11)
    3B – 799 (3)
    C -672 (12)
    LF -675 (11)
    CF – 915 (2)
    RF -811 (3)
    DH – 726 (11)

    So the only positions producing are 1B, 3B, CF and RF. 2B has been so so, DH, C, SS and LF are the biggest non-performing positions

  124. bbb51 May 5th, 2014 at 1:06 am

    Last 14 days:

    Teixeira .265 .444 .735 1.180
    Ichiro .412 .474 .588 1.062
    Ellsbury .359 .419 .615 1.034
    Roberts .325 .372 .375 .747
    Gardner .321 .424 .321 .746
    ———————————–
    Johnson .200 .250 .467 .717
    McCann .225 .279 .350 .629
    Beltran .200 .256 .350 .606
    Soriano .214 .217 .357 .575
    Solarte .185 .313 .259 .572
    Jeter .205 .262 .205 .467

    UnKnown May 5th, 2014 at 12:22 am
    “The easiest and most glaring spot to fix is 2B…..they are getting a big fat zero from that position”

    Um, pretty sure Brian “PED USER” Roberts had a multi hit game just a few games ago. He is obviously the best 2B in the game because he had ONE good game all year. Nice try though Blakeroo. grrr…

    Brilliant post. He’s one of the few guys hitting.

  125. pete22 May 5th, 2014 at 1:50 am

    BoJo May 4th, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    I’m going to wait until trading deadline to pronounce final judgment on this team. I think this team is one good trade away from going far in post season.
    ————————————–

    I agree. But to pull off an impact trade you need to deal prospects/MLB regulars and/or be willing to absorb salary. Not sure the Yankees are willing or able to do either.

    I would sign both Morales and Drew and then deal Morales at the trading deadline to a team that needs a hitter and has pitching. In the meantime, Let Morales DH against RHP’ers to build up trade value and limit Soriano to LHP’ers, and then after the trade hope Soriano goes on one of his hitting streaks in August. But they don’t want to spend anymore money despite being 30 million under last years salary (incl tax) and having their lowest payroll in nominal dollars since 2003

  126. MTU May 5th, 2014 at 6:54 am

    Good morning.

    Just driving by again.

    Tough road trip coming up for the Yankees.

    I’m beginning to believe CC will not be able to make the adjustment.

    What I thought would be a great strength, our pitching, is currently our weakness.

    That said, it’s a long season and there will always be ebbs and flows.

    Currently the tide has really gone out.

    It will come back in.

  127. tomingeorgia May 5th, 2014 at 7:05 am

    Morning, Mister MTU,

    Pretty sad baseball the past week or so.

  128. MTU May 5th, 2014 at 7:07 am

    Mister Tom-

    Yup.

    How are things going for you ?

    Get some more stuff sold ?

  129. tomingeorgia May 5th, 2014 at 7:14 am

    MTU,
    Sold some stuff, but not enough. I hate these west coast trips.

  130. MTU May 5th, 2014 at 7:23 am

    Tom-

    Best of luck. Hope things pick up.

    Not half as much as the Yankees must.

    I figure to watch some/all on delay.

  131. MTU May 5th, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Well, it’s time to run.

    Duty calls.

    See you all around.

  132. Poetkiosk May 5th, 2014 at 7:43 am

    I think what worries a lot of us is that its hard to see how the team will improve, since this really looks like who they are – a very weak infield, a light hitting lineup, and a very shaky starting rotation with only one reliable starter – Tanaka.

    They Yankees seem to be standing pat after spending a chunk of money this off-season. Still, they haven’t gotten a lot for all their spending so far – Beltran, McCann, Roberts, Jeter and Gardner are ALL way under-performing. Jeter we can all forgive, but we are stuck with McCann and Beltran for years, and Roberts for at least one more year. Elsbury seems to have worked out, but we way overpaid for him.

    So here we sit. The FO will not go out and get another starting pitcher, and they bizarrely refuse to add someone like Drew to the infield.

    Also, as for the injuries to Nova and Pineda – tough breaks there, though I don’t think it was wise counting on Pineda in the first place, as hes been out for so long and coming back from such a long absence always comes with these little nagging injuries from not playing every day.

    And on top of all that, perhaps the most difficult part of all this mess, is that they are really really boring to watch. Just nothing there – no zip.

  133. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Poet – I tend to agree with a lot of your post. The biggest problems tend to stem from those off the field as opposed to those on it. It’s very easy to talk about guys like Joe D moving off of their position without acknowledging that there was super star talent ready to replace him. If we had INF talent in our system the conversation looks totally different. And everyone needs to remember this club extended offers to both Infante and Drew at one point. They knew they needed real INFers at some point. But they shifted plans and allocated almost all of our off season spending to the OF instead. Almost feels like another case of the Yankees outsmarting themselves.

  134. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    Another issue is the lack of production we’ve been getting from the DH spot over multiple seasons now. We’ve had arguments about the rotation DH on here for years and it looks more and more like those that argue against it had the right of it.

  135. austinmac May 5th, 2014 at 7:57 am

    The team is going to have to play better to get me to stay up late. Some of these games are hard to watch in the daylight.

    I expected more from CC, but asking him to become a finesse pitcher is akin to asking a slugger to become a high BA guy. The skills are very different. I really hoped for an arm bounce back. Pipe dream, I suppose.

  136. austinmac May 5th, 2014 at 8:00 am

    This road trip could set the tone for the rest of the season. Someone posted the Yankees have seven home games this month. They better learn to hit homers there too.

  137. Doreen May 5th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Shane, did Infante or Drew entertain those offers, though? It seems like, to me, that they were maybe hoping for better offers than the Yankees gave them (or didn’t like that they would have to play at their secondary positions). I’ll bet Drew wishes he took that offer.

    Anyway, I also think a possible problem is that because of the way the team is constructed, and because resting players is a major part of their daily lineup construction, it is possible that it is difficult for ths team to find a groove, or a synergy. Then throw in the fact that the one “given,” a pretty good starting rotation, is now far from that.

    It’s still early, and baseball is a sport with the capacity for stories changing during the course of the season. So, as disappointed as I am right now, and as uninspired and uninvested I feel right now, I know that can change, and I still hope for that.

    Although, I will say that I thought Girardi looked about as deflated in yesterday’s post game as I’ve ever seen him. This is the team that ownership gave him. I think he is either at the point or not far from the point, wher he starts to make some of the changes people think he should make. But some of the changes are not under his control. He can fool around with the lineup, but he’s limited to the players he has around.

  138. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Mac – too true lol. Might be worth staying up to watch Trout though.

    I know a big sticking point is that it’s early and these losses are all categorized as ‘just one game’ but when you’re talking about essentially a .500 team, you’re having too many ‘just one game(s).’ And the main discussion in the 2012 off season was how much better we actually made our team..which ended up being the same conversation we found ourselves having this past off season. I think some guys will come around but I dunno that we ever see this team clicking on all cylinders, which is really what you need to sustain winning streaks and motor a playoff run.

  139. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    Doreen – Infante ended up with a four year

  140. Doreen May 5th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    Shame, my iPad self “corrected” to Shane and I did not catch that. Sorry. :)

  141. pat May 5th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    I can understand Derek owning the SS position this year unless the Yankees believe he is hurting them from contending in October (I’m not sure the Yankees believe they are good enough to contend in October as currently constructed anyway) but him owning a place at the top of line-up if he continues to hit like he has been is more disrespectful to the rest of the team than it would be to him to move him.

  142. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Oops… ‘Four year pact.’

    I think it was surmised they offered both guys two years but I dunno that we ever had dollar figures. The point is two fold: 1) that they knew they needed INF help and 2) they weren’t afraid to bring in a real SS even with it being Jeter’s last year.

  143. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Some good news

    MAN BAN: Manny Banuelos, you figure, is far away from The Bronx. The 23-year-old starting pitcher is still trying to prove he’s recovered from the Tommy John surgery he had in 2012. But Banuelos, who had his second three-inning out of the year Sunday, says he’s feeling good.

    He told this to Trenton Times’ Paul Franklin: “I feel good,’’ Banuelos said. “I’m happy to be pitching again. That’s my first concern. I’m feeling stronger day by day.’’

  144. Doreen May 5th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Shame, I wonder what the Yankees offer to Infante was. But, it’s moot. He waited for a better offer and got it.

    It’s easier to say it’s just one game when it’s a blow out game. Those types of losses I just toss away. But I don’t like losing series at home, especially to division rivals.

    It IS early, and things CAN change, but you don’t get back these heartbreaking losses like Friday night especially. And what’s really depressing is having the feeling that if they’re 3 runs or so being in he early innings that he game s over. That’s what makes this so scary for me. I had a busy weekend, so relied on recaps and highlights for Saturday and Sunday games, and you could have knocked me over with a feather when, after hearing they were behind 3-0 early, that thy ended up winning by 6 runs.

  145. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Derek Jeter has three extra-base hits in the first month of his final season, and in his past 52 plate appearances, he has 12 hits, all singles, and four walks. His OPS is .606, at a time when his offensive production needs to be the best of what he does, given his defensive range.

    ESPN Stats & Info also produced a pretty interesting stat in Olney’s column: Entering Sunday, Jeter’s batting average against fastballs 91 mph or more was .220. The league average is .261.

    On Sunday, in the fifth, Jeter came up with two men on against Erik Bedard. Bedard used two high-80s fastballs to go up 0-2 before an 89-mph fastball forced Jeter to fly meekly to right.

    In the seventh with two outs and men on the corners, lefty Jake McGee fired four high-90s fastball. Jeter grounded out to first to end the inning.

  146. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    That was from this source

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-the-order

  147. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    I watched the condensed version last night. Erik Bedard was serving up the same batting practice pitches as CC, and the Yankees were frequently getting men on base, but were 0 for 10 with RISP.

  148. SweetSpot May 5th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Talk about the infield defense and Derek Jeter’s offensive production is off the mark. I don’t care if Tulo was playing shortstop for the Yankees, Sabathia and Kuroda pitching as poorly as they have defines the major issue with the Yankees. There’s no more important aspect of the game then starting pitching.

  149. pat May 5th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    @JeffPassan examines whether it’s time to panic for Derek Jeter and other stars who appear to be in decline: http://yhoo.it/1nd4q47 #MLB

  150. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    And these are the pitching matchups vs the Angels

    Phelps vs Weaver. Phelps hasn’t pitched since April 23rd
    Kuroda vs CJ Wilson
    Nuno vs lefty Hector Santiago

  151. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Weaver’s stats vs Yankee hitters.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....red-weaver

    Looking at the past stats Ichiro should be playing tonight and Jeter should be moved down in the lineup

  152. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    A big strike against last year’s team was that it was unable to sustain winning streaks.. I remember there was a stretch where we went like a month and a half without winning more than two games in a row. It killed us.

  153. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Pat

    Excellent read. Thanks

    I don’t recall, but are teams using a reverse shift on Jeter, based on those spray charts, where he is hitting almost everything to the right of center for easy ground ball outs?

    Everything Granderson hit on the ground was swallowed up by the shift when he was a Yankee, watching his BA plummet. I never understood, with his speed, why he didn’t try and bunt occasionally down third base.

  154. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Shame

    Last years team was made up of a lot of over the hill aging rejects and stars……..
    Much like this year! :(

  155. pat May 5th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    They’ve had one 5 game winning streak this year and no other streak over 2 games.

  156. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    Nate Silver posted an article that concludes the 2-hole should be designated to a team’s best hitter, though most (if not all) MLB managers are not using it that way. Our three best hitters so far have probably been Ellsbury, Tex, and Solarte. I think the best solution might be to lead off with Gardner, who is still seeing more pitches per AB than anyone else on the team, have Ells bat 2nd, and Tex 3rd.

    But again, this is why all those ‘pointless’ discussions in the off season about the merits of having Ellsbury and Gardner at the top of the order weren’t just about complaining for complaining’s sake.

  157. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    My lineup, based on some past history with Weaver:

    Ellsbury CF
    Ichiro LF
    Beltran RF
    Soriano DH
    Teixeira 1B
    Solarte 2B- never faced Weaver
    Johnson 3B-also no history vs Weaver
    McCann C
    Jeter SS

  158. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Phelps vs Weaver. Phelps hasn’t pitched since April 23rd

    —————

    Bleck. Still can’t believe these dumbies put all of our back up starters in the pen…

    I dunno what to make of CC other than feeling like the next time I enter a church I should light a candle for him or something.. but I think Kuroda can be better than he’s been. I haven’t been able to watch him as closely as I’d like, but based on what he’s said and the results we’ve seen I think he’s having some sort of mechanical issue. I certainly hope he’s not experiencing any pain or soreness anywhere. But I think he’s more likely to bounce back to a reasonable level of consistency than CC is. I think with CC we’ll see up and down games ala AJ Burnett.

  159. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    Shame
    I can’t get too excited yet about Tex. Still can’t handle the pitches on the outside corner from the left side, which if he could would neutralize the shift, plus the inside off speed stuff still has him flailing at air.

  160. Poetkiosk May 5th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    I think what surprises me is how similar this team feels to last year’s team and that’s with a ton of changes to players. So that suggests to me that the vibe of this team is due to team culture. And there is no one setting that culture as much as Jeter, who despite being in severe decline refuses to move from short stop and from his place in the order. Granted we don’t know if he’s been asked, but surely he should volunteer at this point. How can he possible think he is helping the team with subpar defense and subpar at bats?

  161. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    New Post——>

  162. Shame Spencer May 5th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    pat May 5th, 2014 at 8:59 am
    They’ve had one 5 game winning streak this year and no other streak over 2 games.

    ————-

    Ah… yes, that sounds about right.

    Sads. :(

    All of a sudden the other teams in the division are waking up a little and that lead we had is already squandered. I don’t think the other clubs in the division are perfect by any stretch but we have so many more holes, it feels like..

  163. 86w183 May 5th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Good morning all —-

    I can’t argue with the idea that Jeter should hit 7th or later vs RHP. Don’t think Girardi will do it, but it certainly makes sense.

    Time to promote Caleb Smith! The big lefty threw six scoreless innings with 7 K and just 2 hits.

    He is totally dominant in Charleston…. 0.66 ERA, 27 1/3 w/33 K and only 13 hits.

  164. 4TrainNorth May 5th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    This is one strange team we’re rooting for this year. We need something to make them gel. Maybe tapes of Hal/Hank making racist comments will surface and spur them on to a winning streak? There’s just so much going wrong right now that it’s hard to focus on any one subject: the starting pitching, the hitting with RISP, the infield D, Grampy Jeter, etc. Hard to believe that Tex is actually a bright spot right now. But seriously, it’s the fact that you cringe any time someone other than Tanaka takes the hill that’s the most glaring issue. We have one real starter right now. Yikes.

  165. Barry May 5th, 2014 at 9:50 am

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