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Where does Ryan’s glove fit in the Yankees infield plans?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 07, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brendan Ryan

Brendan Ryan was finally on the Yankees bench last night. He hurt his back in spring training, getting healthy took much longer than he expected, and the Yankees spent the season’s first month-plus playing with a couple of backup shortstops who’d never played in the big leagues before this season. Ryan hasn’t hit much in his career, but he’s known as one of the best defensive infielders in the game. Which is something the Yankees could certainly use.

If only we knew how Joe Girardi plans to use him.

For example, would Girardi be willing to pull Derek Jeter to take advantage of Ryan’s glove in the late innings?

“I haven’t really tossed that around yet because he hasn’t been here,” Girardi said on Monday. “But I’ll look at everything, where I might (use him), if I’ll play him at second or I’ll play him at third for a day? I’ll look at everything when he gets here. You’ve got to see how he’s doing, too.”

Girardi said basically the exact same thing on Tuesday, that he hadn’t come up with a definite plan for using Ryan’s one standout ability. Last night, there was no late-inning swap, but it’s surely an idea that’s crawling through Girardi’s head, and even if Girardi isn’t willing to say much about that idea, he’ll make his feelings known through his actions.

How often will Ryan play and against whom? In a tight game, will Ryan become a regular on the left side of the infield (presumably at shortstop, but I suppose he could be an upgrade at third base as well)? Could Ryan exceed offensive expectations and basically force more playing time the way Ichiro Suzuki has done? It does seem telling that the Yankees did not have Ryan play any position other than shortstop during his minor league rehab assignment.

“I’d be pretty comfortable, I’d say, (at second and third),” Ryan said. “It always takes a few game reps, but I’m always pretty confident with the glove. I’ll mess around in BP over there and get some live looks off the BP hacks. … We asked about it (during the rehab assignment). They wanted me at short. I took some grounders at second. I don’t know if I took many at third, but I’ve been there before, so it won’t be the first time and hopefully it won’t be the last. We’ll see.”

Ryan was never expected to be an everyday player, and he’s not showing up to be that kind of player. But it will be interesting to see if Girardi uses him as more than just Jeter’s backup.

“I could,” Girardi said. “But that’s his first and foremost, his No. 1 job.”

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224 Responses to “Where does Ryan’s glove fit in the Yankees infield plans?”

  1. GregD May 7th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    I just read where J Ram pitched an inning at SWB today….said his changeup was filthy!

  2. CompassRosy May 7th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Terrekain May 7th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    “….. It’s possible that Cano may have taken ownership of his role as “mentor” in Seattle, but I haven’t heard anything of the like ….”

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    http://nypost.com/2014/04/27/w.....-mariners/

    ::::::
    In New York, Cano supplied a big bat and a Gold Glove but the leadership was left to others such as Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. Out here, Cano is the leader of the Mariners and has embraced the role. He is never going to be a rah-rah guy, but his door is always open.

    “And we are all taking advantage of that,’’ said catcher Mike Zunino, 23. “I’m always asking him questions.’’

    Noted left-handed-hitting third baseman Kyle Seager, 26, whose two home runs Wednesday, the second a walk-off, ended the Mariners’ eight-game losing streak, a rally started by a Cano single: “Obviously he’s a phenomenal player, but Robbie is a phenomenal person as well. He works extremely hard but in the game, he goes out there and relaxes and plays. That’s a big thing all of us can learn.’’

    Remember that home run drill Cano used so effectively with Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long? Cano carted that drill to Safeco Field, and four hours before Tuesday’s game was working the drill with hitting coach Howard Johnson and four young teammates.

    This is his new life.
    ::::::

  3. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    “I haven’t really tossed that around yet because he hasn’t been here,” Girardi said on Monday

    More evidence as to why what a manager or general manager says is worthless. Brendan Ryan was signed in November, do you really believe that Girardi wasn’t asked at some point in that process, “hey, would you have any use for Ryan if we bring him back?” If that wasn’t the case, if the Yankee manager has absolutely no voice in personnel decisions – then he’s a moron.

  4. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    GF – on the other hand, maybe it gives more understanding into the way the Yankees may have perceived Cano. I think their offer was more than generous and reasonable, but others do not. If the others have it right, maybe there was a lot more going on than we realized, as blake has suggested. We’re certainly not privy to the inner-workings, despite a few here protesting that they know chapter and verse each and every time.

    —–

    Whether Mo’s opinion reflects the opinion of the front office or not is completely irrelevant. They have a PR department or the windbag Levine to do their dirty work and portray Cano anyway they want.

    I lreally don’t like tell-all books. Calling out a teammate like that is bush league and much more typical behavior demonstrated in the past by Goose Gossage and Reggie Jackson – not Mariano. He is supposed to be above that.

    Goose and Reggie are two HOF Yankees that I’ve never liked for that specific reason. Too eager to rip fellow brothers in order to get their their names in the headlines.

    If the front office needs Mo to be their mouthpiece regarding Cano then PR is yet another thing they suck at right now in addition to player development and a host of other things.

  5. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Doreen May 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    —————–

    It goes right up there with he wasn’t a draw. Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    GF – I too abhor tell-all books and I especially hated it when Torre did it. If we hadn’t had jammed down our throats “Mariano said it, it has to be true” in the past, I wouldn’t have even gone near it. But to be falsely accused of being a hypocrite by the same person and now to have him say that Mariano got it wrong, well sorry, you’re going to get called out when you play those games.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    And am I surprised that MO said it? Sure.

  8. mick May 7th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    I heard Girardi say Ryan would play on Jeter’s days off.
    Don’t like the sound of that.

  9. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    GF – I too abhor tell-all books and I especially hated it when Torre did it. If we hadn’t had jammed down our throats “Mariano said it, it has to be true” in the past, I wouldn’t have even gone near it. But to be falsely accused of being a hypocrite by the same person and now to have him say that Mariano got it wrong, well sorry, you’re going to get called out when you play those games.

    —-

    Truth be told, you are guilty of the very same thing you accuse JAP of doing.

    I recall you citing Joe Torre and Jeter with their specific quotes supporting your “it all comes down to pitching” argument.

    Well, if Torre and Jeter says it, it must be gospel.

    How is that any different from the crime you accuse JAP or whomever else of doing?

  10. blake May 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    “Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?”

    Tanaka is the biggest draw they have……they can market Ellsbury too but he’s not really a superstar type player…..he’s a very good player….but he’s not a superstar player because the power numbers aren’t there.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    What?

    About me again?

    Glad I missed it.

  12. Out Pitch May 7th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    It’s really not a big deal where BR is played. He’s not really an impact guy.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    “Truth be told, you are guilty of the very same thing you accuse JAP of doing.

    I recall you citing Joe Torre and Jeter with their specific quotes supporting your “it all comes down to pitching” argument.

    Well, if Torre and Jeter says it, it must be gospel.

    How is that any different from the crime you accuse JAP or whomever else of doing?”

    Because I’m using a well-known baseball argument, not back-room chatter about a player. If everyone in baseball uses a certain argument, there might be something to it. If players say something politic about another player who has cheated the game, that’s not quite the same thing.

    And I am not the one accusing anyone of being a hypocrite all the time.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    “What?

    About me again?

    Glad I missed it.”

    :lol:

    So brave. Make fun of people but duck their posts about you.

    SMH

  15. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
    Odds, Cano sells jerseys regardless of the narrative. In second half of 2012 he was 9th. Pretty darn good considering if someone is buying a Yankee jersey, he/she will likely buy Jeter and last year in his retirement year, Mo. And I love how people who don’t go to the Stadium are up on what the fans are there to see. More Cano bp shirts, especially on the kids than anyone but Jeet. Sorry.

  16. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    “Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?”

    Tanaka is the biggest draw they have……they can market Ellsbury too but he’s not really a superstar type player…..he’s a very good player….but he’s not a superstar player because the power numbers aren’t there.
    ————————-

    Tanaka will be a draw next year and Alex will be a draw next year. Biggest crowds the Yankees had last year were the games Alex was back for.

    Fans will show up to cheer for him or they’ll show up to boo for him but they will show up and that’s what matters to the business side of the Yankees. It’s also the reason why they’re not going to release him.

  17. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    “Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?”

    Tanaka is the biggest draw they have……they can market Ellsbury too but he’s not really a superstar type player…..he’s a very good player….but he’s not a superstar player because the power numbers aren’t there.

    ———————-

    Good point about Tanaka.

  18. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Should read that there were*, not are.

  19. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    of course Tanaka is the draw, especially with the Japanese population. Too bad he only plays once a week.

  20. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    I really don’t see any difference.

    Mo publicly dissed Cano but Jeter has defended Cano in the past. Do they cancel each other out?

  21. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    GF, I guess, they are both Core Fours, so they are of equal weight; maybe we should bring in Jorge as the tiebreaker. ;)

  22. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    So brave. Make fun of people but duck their posts about you.
    ====================
    He doesn’t read your posts b/c he is above you Trish, why bother?

  23. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Of course he must be lying about that too as he certainly is responding to the know nothings he purports not to be reading.

  24. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Retweeted by Donnie Collins
    Tampa Yankees ?@TampaYankees 51m
    Infielders Greg Bird (#56) and Anderson Feliz (#40) have been activated from the DL and are on the TY Roster! #Yankees
    ___
    Second one is for you, Pruf.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    “Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?”

    Tanaka is the biggest draw they have……they can market Ellsbury too but he’s not really a superstar type player…..he’s a very good player….but he’s not a superstar player because the power numbers aren’t there.

    ———————-

    Good point about Tanaka.
    ///

    The Yankees can deny it all they like: the team didn’t draw because the team has been progressively weaker since poor decision making, starting in the year 2010.

    They were a counterfeit offense in 2012, they were a scrap heap + Cano last season.

    Cano isn’t unpopular; the team was bad and even though they have their apologists here, the paying customer knew the team stunk and wasn’t going to pay to see it stink.

    Cano is not popular is nonsense.

  26. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    YF, I guess I’ll have to get my scorecard out and tally the numbers to see where Cano stands in the eyes of his former teammates.

  27. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    “Who else on this team is a draw besides A-rod and Jeter. Is Tex more of a big name now that he’s a Yankee? What about CC? With Jeter retiring next yr is McCann going to be a draw?”

    Tanaka is the biggest draw they have……they can market Ellsbury too but he’s not really a superstar type player…..he’s a very good player….but he’s not a superstar player because the power numbers aren’t there.

    ———————-

    Good point about Tanaka.
    ——————–

    Alex will also be a draw. Fans showed up for the games he was back for last year; some to boo, some to cheer – but they show up.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    “Of course he must be lying about that too as he certainly is responding to the know nothings he purports not to be reading.”

    This.

  29. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    So happy about Bird and Feliz. Hope they play tonight.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Retweeted by Donnie Collins
    Tampa Yankees ?@TampaYankees 51m
    Infielders Greg Bird (#56) and Anderson Feliz (#40) have been activated from the DL and are on the TY Roster! #Yankees
    ___
    Second one is for you, Pruf.
    ///

    YES!!! :D

    Please. Stay. Healthy.

    Thanks, fem :D

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “I really don’t see any difference.

    Mo publicly dissed Cano but Jeter has defended Cano in the past. Do they cancel each other out?”

    You’d have to ask Prufrock that since he’s the one who has been so immovable about players’ opinions being the be all and end all.

  32. blake May 7th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “Alex will also be a draw. Fans showed up for the games he was back for last year; some to boo, some to cheer – but they show up.”

    except he may not be on the team

  33. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    trish, this is how the blog devolves. Either move on or keep the toxicity going.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    YF, I guess I’ll have to get my scorecard out and tally the numbers to see where Cano stands in the eyes of his former teammates.
    ///

    Having been at the Stadium for both Cano’s games, there was a lot bro hugging going on between Robi and Derek Jeter.

    We know Alex and Robi are very close friends.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “Alex will also be a draw. Fans showed up for the games he was back for last year; some to boo, some to cheer – but they show up.”

    except he may not be on the team
    ///

    Blake,

    I really doubt it. If he can play, don’t you think Hal is going to see want Alex to bring the people in? Hal is a bottom line guy, and if they have to pay him, and he’s healthy, he’ll be in there.

  36. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Alex will also be a draw.

    —————–

    I hoping Alex gets released although I have defended him in the past.

  37. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Alex was always a draw and mostly not for the right reasons. But I will say it again, to being living in NY city and have season tickets so that I got to see him play almost every home game from 2004-2009. I am #blessed. Great player, and talk about burning desire and playing hard.

  38. champ809 May 7th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    repost

    champ809 May 7th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    terrakain-

    “Are we talking about the same Cano?

    Robinson Cano’s reputation in baseball has never been someone who concerned himself with the development of junior players. Not that it’s a demerit against him; and he wasn’t expected to be. While he was with the Yankees, he never had a reputation for being a clubhouse leader, nor someone who would take a rookie under his wing or “imparted” wisdom, struggling or otherwise; unlike Giambi who mentored in the dugout, Mariano who held teaching sessions in the bullpen, or even Alex Rodriguez (although let’s not wander into what kind of habits Alex imparted on his proteges).”
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    This is the problem with most who post on here about Robbie…..they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

    Robbie, on the Yanks deferred leadership to Jeet, Arod , Posada, Pettite and Mo when he was here. However, he is known for taking younger particularly Dominican hitters both Yanks and otherwise and inviting them to his offseason workout/hitting clinic en la Republica. He was also the recognized leader if the DR team that won the WBC title last year.

    F.Y.I….

  39. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    I would think Alex will get released, but Hal had better have a viable alternative.

  40. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Speaking of baseball, my local old man baseball league starts playing real games in a couple of weeks and today my brand new cleats, batting gloves, and socks (I love wearing the high socks ala Robertson) were just delivered by UPS.

    So as pathetic as it sounds, it’s a rather exciting day for me and feeling like an 8 yr old again trying on my new baseball gear.

  41. Section 8 May 7th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    I wouldn’t overestimate how much of a draw ARod will be next year, if he’s even back. Yes, he will cause some buzz (for the wrong reasons), but that will fade quickly if he’s a .270 hitter with only moderate power.

    And don’t forget, unlike an even unproductive Jeter, I wouldn’t expect ARod to be featured in Yankee marketing campaigns, at least not next year, if ever.

  42. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    What it is about is the way people perceive each other here.
    It’s not just about debate.
    It is the way it is expressed, if you know what I mean.
    We don’t have to be polite or politically correct, like we do in polite society, so many aren’t.
    Some are more subtle about it, some aren’t.
    Not agreeing or not liking the way ideas are expressed has always been a problem in society.

  43. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    The Yankees can deny it all they like: the team didn’t draw because the team has been progressively weaker since poor decision making, starting in the year 2010.

    They were a counterfeit offense in 2012, they were a scrap heap + Cano last season.

    Cano isn’t unpopular; the team was bad and even though they have their apologists here, the paying customer knew the team stunk and wasn’t going to pay to see it stink.

    Cano is not popular is nonsense.

    ——————

    That is true last yr is pinned on him in a weird way.

    The team stunk and it was Cano didn’t draw last yr.

    The team didn’t make the PS and it was Cano didn’t carry the team last yr.

  44. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Cano is not popular is nonsense.
    ————————-

    There’s a difference between being popular and being a guy who puts butts in the seats. Alex, for example, is wildly unpopular but fans turn out to see him.

    Cano doesn’t have that kind of cache where the casual fan of another team says “I have to see this guy play” but then not many do.

    A few guys who have (or had) that “move the dial” quality are Clemens, Strawberry, Griffey, Randy Johnson, Pujols, Verlander, Jose Fernandez, Trout – guys who when you look at a schedule early in the year and are picking out what tickets you want you say “yup, this is the game I want to see.”

    That doesn’t mean that a player like David Wright is unpopular or not a star – it just means that if I don’t see him play I won’t feel like I’m missing something the way I might if I never got a chance to see some of these other guys. That’s the category that Cano falls into. Outstanding ball player but with limited box office appeal to the casual fan.

  45. Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Although I agree with Blake and fully believe this is mostly an out of context issue for the most part. What I do find of interest is how some are ragging on the messenger with an attempt to discredit the message. I think this is about Rivera thinking that Cano can be even a better and more complete ballplayer on all levels. The Pedroria reference is what is troubling for many as well as myself, but once again I do think this has been taken way out of the context of whatever point was being illustrated at that time. I have an early entry pass for tonight’s game which is always cool, even if it’s Anaheim.

  46. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Odds, enjoyed watching Robi at home. Not much else to watch/go out to Stadium to watch the last few years.

    And no excuses for not being humane on this blog. I don’t care that it is the internet. Stop the BS.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    YF,

    Was great fun watching Alex turn on Biddle’s 94 mph fastball in Trenton, wasn’t it?

    Still can’t get that picture out of my mind of Alex absolutely jubilant for Jose Pirella after he hit one out.

    All the players loved having him there, and he took them to dinner two nights in a row.

    It was an awesome time to see him at our little ‘ole Hammer.

  48. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    There’s a difference between being popular and being a guy who puts butts in the seats. Alex, for example, is wildly unpopular but fans turn out to see him.
    ======================================
    There is the hero and there is the anti-hero.
    Both are popular.
    Cano fell in the middle somewhere, sort of vanilla, a very good flavor but not embraced by all.

  49. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Enjoy, GF! I do remember those ritualistic days of getting my sports equipment before a season. The smell, the feel. Nothing like it.

  50. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Pruf, love Yankee rehab games in Trenton.

  51. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    Odds, enjoyed watching Robi at home. Not much else to watch/go out to Stadium to watch the last few years.

    ——————

    True there wasn’t much else.

    We’re all still hoping that some of these kids make it through.

  52. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Stop the BS.
    ========
    Was that humane?

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    GF,

    ‘Tis the season, enjoy!

    The smell of cut grass makes me want to get out there, too. If my shoulder cooperates, I may take a trip into the city one of these days and jump into one of my 77-year old friend’s pickup games on the Upper Westside. Guy still has it. Fantastic tennis player, too, and I love his Dimag stories.

    Stay well, man.

  54. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Everything gets taken out of context here. We microanalyze everything. Funny to watch sometimes, and see how people align. I would still have preferred not to have Mo speak out of school. One thing to say it to the player, another to put it in a book. JMO.

  55. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    I’ll have some full minor league notes from Mark Newman for tomorrow’s off day. Couple of things to know right away…

    1. Newman says Nik Turley is going to re-sign soon. He’s been rehabbing at the minor league complex ever since his release. Newman said it’s exactly like the David Adams situation last year. Had to open a 40-man spot, and this was the best way to do it with the lowest risk of actually losing a player.

    2. Greg Bird is being activated on the High-A Tampa roster tonight.

  56. comet May 7th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Trisha you seem to be in the middle of every fight on this board. I don’t read your posts unless I’m trying to find out who you are fighting with today. Go be a lawyer! And leave Pruf alone.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Pat M,

    Are you aware of Robinson Cano’s 2013 numbers?

  58. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Chad,

    Why did all other teams pass on Turley?

  59. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    I’ll have some full minor league notes from Mark Newman for tomorrow’s off day. Couple of things to know right away…

    1. Newman says Nik Turley is going to re-sign soon. He’s been rehabbing at the minor league complex ever since his release. Newman said it’s exactly like the David Adams situation last year. Had to open a 40-man spot, and this was the best way to do it with the lowest risk of actually losing a player.

    2. Greg Bird is being activated on the High-A Tampa roster tonight.
    ————————–

    Great news all the way around.

  60. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    There’s a difference between being popular and being a guy who puts butts in the seats. Alex, for example, is wildly unpopular but fans turn out to see him.
    ======================================
    There is the hero and there is the anti-hero.
    Both are popular.
    Cano fell in the middle somewhere, sort of vanilla, a very good flavor but not embraced by all.
    ——————-

    Exactly.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 7th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    “Trisha you seem to be in the middle of every fight on this board. I don’t read your posts unless I’m trying to find out who you are fighting with today. Go be a lawyer! And leave Pruf alone.”

    :lol:

    Easy to see who isn’t around much.

  62. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Also, apparently in his last start, Luis Severino was pitching at 95 mph and topping out at 97. Newman said Severino maintained that ability to pitch at 95 throughout his six innings. Still really young with a long way to go, but that kid seems to have an awfully special arm.

  63. comet May 7th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Pat M good to see you back here!

  64. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Thanks, Chad. Figured with Turley being released vs. DFA that would happen. Still risky though (although you figure he’d want to come back to Yanks), but good move. Just heard about Bird and Anderson Feliz btw being activated. Big yay! Hoping to see(hear) them tonight.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    comet,

    Thank you. :D I don’t read it.

  66. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:26 pm e

    Chad,

    Why did all other teams pass on Turley?

    I don’t know that they did. I’m sure he had other teams making offers. There’s a lot to be said for a kid wanting to stay where it’s comfortable, especially considering he lives in Tampa. These guys generally understand what’s going on, they know when a team legitimately doesn’t like them. Adams got released last year and was in the big leagues a few months later. It happens, and even if the players hate being released, they still get the business side of it. I don’t know what other offers Turley had on the table, but if all offers were similar, I don’t think it’s particularly surprising he would stick with the Yankees.

  67. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Chad, much thanks for info on Severino. I saw him pitch in Lakewood, and he is a special talent. The ball comes out of his hand so easily, easy velo. Is a long road, but very excited about him!

  68. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    YF,

    Part of the reason I had to buy new gear is because I’m playing with a different team this summer than I did the previous 2 years.

    Wanna take one guess what team/gear I had to buy for my last team?

    The effing Red Sox. No BS.

    So this die-hard Yankee fan of 30 years was forced to buy a Red Sox cap, jersey, and red socks. Can’t say I ever thought I’d spend hard earned money for Red Sox gear. Yuck.

    But this season my new team is called the Dogs and our primary color is Cubbie/Dodger blue.

    Sure beats the hell out of red if you ask me.

  69. ScottinSJ May 7th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    So, now we have 5 infielders for 3 positions and none of them a real offensive force (although I have hopes for Solarte).

    I just don’t know where Ryan fits. Do they see him as a starter next year? If so, they’ll need to improve the offense quite a bit (yes, we know it’s already rather weak). I like Ryan’s glove, but if they’re hardly going to use him, does he have a future here, or even a present?

  70. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Thank you. :D I don’t read it.
    ===============
    Then who are you responding to?

  71. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    Odds, enjoyed watching Robi at home. Not much else to watch/go out to Stadium to watch the last few years.

    ——————

    True there wasn’t much else.

    We’re all still hoping that some of these kids make it through.
    ___
    Odds, me too; I have high hopes. Where are you based; ever get to any MiLB games?

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for the ‘fo on Severino. He really looked good in that Lakewood start. We have a some very promising power arms and Severino reminded me a lot of Jose Ramirez, who I also got to see, in 2010, down there.

  73. Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Thank You Comet …..Pruf, yes I’m very familiar with Cano’s contract drive numbers and I well aware of his production over the years . I generally see the Yanks play at least 15 games a season although mostly in their road greys. I also know that he isn’t the best 2nd baseman ever and maybe someday if he turns in another 5 Cano seasons then he will be in the discussion. Keep in mind that Joe Morgan played what 18 seasons or so, and his lifetime on base % is higher than Cano’s best season. Let’s keep it all in perspective, very good player but his best years are behind him and his most expensive years lie ahead…… I like him a lot, but I never loved him

  74. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    GF,

    ‘Tis the season, enjoy!

    The smell of cut grass makes me want to get out there, too. If my shoulder cooperates, I may take a trip into the city one of these days and jump into one of my 77-year old friend’s pickup games on the Upper Westside. Guy still has it. Fantastic tennis player, too, and I love his Dimag stories.

    Stay well, man.

    —-

    Thanks, JAP.

    This is my favorite time of the year. A bunch of 30 and 40 yr old men running around playing a kids game is a blast.

  75. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    GF, poor you, and glad to see you have been extricated from the Red Sox uni!

    Scott, doubt they see Ryan as a starter unless we add a power bat to that mix. And even then I would think bench/late innings D insert.

  76. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    Odds, enjoyed watching Robi at home. Not much else to watch/go out to Stadium to watch the last few years.

    ——————

    True there wasn’t much else.

    We’re all still hoping that some of these kids make it through.
    ___
    Odds, me too; I have high hopes. Where are you based; ever get to any MiLB games?

    ————

    Brooklyn, NY

    No never been to a MiLB game

  77. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    “Alex, for example, is wildly unpopular but fans turn out to see him.”

    There were actually a ton of Alex fans too. So, it wasn’t all infamy. Lots of Alex jerseys and Alex love at the Stadium to go along with the detractors. Now, probably less so, but bet he would still draw. And he can still hit.

  78. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Odds, MiLB games are a blast. Do you ever go? If not and want to, and don’t want to drive, you should go to SI via ferry (great views) or attend when SI are at the Brooklyn Cyclones. Coney Island in the background. Great fun! Should be some really good Yank players at SI…

  79. hardwired7 May 7th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    “Newman said Severino maintained that ability to pitch at 95 throughout his six innings.”

    Homer_Simpson_drool.jpg

  80. Hankflorida May 7th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    “Nobody ever said, “Work ball!” They say, “Play ball!” To me, that means having fun.”    –Willie Stargell

    If any quote fits Cano, this one does. I always saw George Steinbrenner as George C Scott’s character in the movie, “Patton,” and in that final scene, he could have uttered the words that there was no fun in baseball as there was only winning for the pride to be a Yankee. Mo probably buys into that philosophy and never accepted Cano’s way of being.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Thank You Comet …..Pruf, yes I’m very familiar with Cano’s contract drive numbers and I well aware of his production over the years . I generally see the Yanks play at least 15 games a season although mostly in their road greys. I also know that he isn’t the best 2nd baseman ever and maybe someday if he turns in another 5 Cano seasons then he will be in the discussion. Keep in mind that Joe Morgan played what 18 seasons or so, and his lifetime on base % is higher than Cano’s best season. Let’s keep it all in perspective, very good player but his best years are behind him and his most expensive years lie ahead…… I like him a lot, but I never loved him
    ///

    I have discussed Morgan at length here many times, and I like Cano’s chances to stay in the heights, given his remarkable consistency and durability.

    My question was, have you seen his “clutch” numbers; my point being, I don’t know how much more Robinson Cano could have done last year to reach his talent ceiling. He put up monster clutch numbers, they are irrefutable. He delivered, so any claim that he’s not living up to his talents means you didn’t pay attention to his last season in pinstripes.

    His team, unfortunately, just sucked.

  82. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Nothing gets the diehards more excited about a prospect than a flamethrower.

  83. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Yea I should check them out one day. I heard the atmosphere is pretty good at MiLB games and the prices are great from what I hear.

  84. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    He doesn’t run hard to first because he’s afraid he might hurt the grass.

    ———————

    Oh. My. God.

    This might win post of the month!!

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    Hankflorida May 7th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    “Nobody ever said, “Work ball!” They say, “Play ball!” To me, that means having fun.” –Willie Stargell
    ///

    Hank, you’ve seen it all and felt it all!

  86. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    GF, exactly. I basically have set my sched over the years around those kind of pitchers like Severino, De Paula, JRam, Betances, etc. So much fun!

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    He doesn’t run hard to first because he’s afraid he might hurt the grass.

    ———————

    Oh. My. God.

    This might win post of the month!!
    ///

    Lenny in in Of Mice and Men…LMAO

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Nothing gets the diehards more excited about a prospect than a flamethrower.
    ///

    Especially one with a great changeup, per Severino. Slider flashes plus too.

  89. blake May 7th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    I think fans turned out to see Arod when he was Arod and one of the best players in baseball…..because he was good and he had star power……they turned out a little last year just for the circus factor…….I don’t see that lasting long if he doesn’t perform next year if he in fact is back which I doubt

  90. Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Pruf….There’s a boatload of things to like about Robinson Cano just as there’s a boatload of things to like about Ginger from Gilligan’s Island. I just liked Maryanne more, does that mean I don’t appreciate beautiful women ?????

  91. blake May 7th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Giancarlo is a guy that would sell tickets

  92. mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    a boatload of things to like about Ginger from Gilligan’s Island. I just liked Maryanne more, does that mean I don’t appreciate beautiful women ?????
    =================
    do you mean you liked maryanne for her personality Pat M?

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock May 7th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Pat M,

    No, but there’s disinterested greatness, and that’s what we have here.

    We also have a player so well suited to Yankee Stadium, it’s not even funny. How they did not extend him, and let him walk out of their world for nothing, is mystifying.
    ///

    Well, we’re preparing dinner around here and then the Penguins get to scare the piss outta me again.

    See you all later.

  94. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    I don’t see the value of Ryan at third. All he provides is defense. At third, we need offense and not one of the handful of worst hitters in baseball.

  95. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Pat seems to get the best of both worlds regularly when Mary Ann and Ginger both come to clean his pool.

  96. bigdan22 May 7th, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Every few weeks or so I feel compelled to point out what an absurd notion it is to believe that the Yanks may possibly release Arod. So here I go again.

    I’ve heard him referred to as a “sunk cost.” My understanding of that reference is that some people believe Arod would have zero value on the field or not enough value to justify the “distraction” and since hid salary is owed to him anyway there is nothing to lose by cutting him. Well, first I doubt very much Hal regards a player he’s publically referred to as an asset as having zero or next to zero value on the field. But even if by some chance he did feel that way, Alex clearly has value off the field. Alex has had two hip surgeries. It’s not beyond the pale of reason to believe it’s possible Alex, at some point before his contracts ends almost 4 years from now, will not be able to physically take the field. If that’s the case, there’s millions that Hal can reap in insurance compensation. None of that money would be available to him if he’s released.

    There isn’t a businessman on the planet who would release Arod before his contract is up under those circumstances. I suppose it’s also possible for Alex to get suspended again and that would be another way for Hal to save money. Whatever, Arod is here to stay. Like it or not.

  97. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    I think fans turned out to see Arod when he was Arod and one of the best players in baseball…..because he was good and he had star power……they turned out a little last year just for the circus factor…….I don’t see that lasting long if he doesn’t perform next year if he in fact is back which I doubt
    ————————

    He’s a sideshow and everyone loves a car wreck. My guess is that he’ll still be a big ticket item.

    I don’t see a logical way in which he’s not playing for the Yankees next year:

    He’s not walking away from the money.
    Yankees are probably not willing to hand him a check for $60 million to walk away

  98. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Cano would have greatly enhanced love if they had won last year. Instead, the team was bad and he doesn’t get enough credit due to the record. It is somehow akin to MVP arguments on non-winning teams. The we lost with him and we can lose without him concept. And that we well may do.

  99. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    Besides, if you assume that he’s spending this year getting into top shape then he’s still going to be an average right handed bat with some power potential. Given that Soriano’s leaving and Jeter’s leaving the Yankees won’t have any right handed bats in their lineup.

    So you sign the Korean 3b Choi, make Alex the DH, trade for Aaron Hill at 2b and ink Stephen Drew to play SS and roll out:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Gardner – LF
    Beltran – RF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Alex – DH
    Choi – 3b
    Hill – 2b
    Drew – SS

  100. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Cano would have greatly enhanced love if they had won last year. Instead, the team was bad and he doesn’t get enough credit due to the record. It is somehow akin to MVP arguments on non-winning teams. The we lost with him and we can lose without him concept. And that we well may do.
    ———————

    I don’t think there’s a lack of love for Cano.

    I think there’s a disconnect between the desire for baseball to be a game vs. the reality of it being a business.

    Cano’s not a Yankee because the Yankees didn’t believe giving him a 10 year contract was a sound business decision.

  101. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Every few weeks or so I feel compelled to point out what an absurd notion it is to believe that the Yanks may possibly release Arod. So here I go again.”

    You went on and on about how he had a case in court too……we will see…..they might not release him but it’s not absurd at all to suggest that they might. I think he’s played his last game as a Yankee and have said that all along

  102. bigdan22 May 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    “Also, apparently in his last start, Luis Severino was pitching at 95 mph and topping out at 97. Newman said Severino maintained that ability to pitch at 95 throughout his six innings. Still really young with a long way to go, but that kid seems to have an awfully special arm.”

    —–

    Whenever I read something like this now I can’t help but think here’s another very young man throwing very very hard and what that means. Sometimes I like it better when the velocity comes later. I read yesterday where Phelps might have gained a tick this year. Warren has def gained some velocity or at least perhaps regained some velocity he had years ago when he was in the minors. Baneulos gained some velocity a bit later in his development but that didn’t stop him from needing surgery.

    You have to say right now, hands down, Severino is the biggest young arm in the organization. As such, I’m sure the Yanks will do everything scientifically possible to protect that arm. But in the end, there probably isn’t much they can do. It almost feels like the exception is now the rule and staying healthy is actually the longshot.

  103. Hankflorida May 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
    Pruf….There’s a boatload of things to like about Robinson Cano just as there’s a boatload of things to like about Ginger from Gilligan’s Island. I just liked Maryanne more, does that mean I don’t appreciate beautiful women ?????

    In my Yoot, I preferred Ginger just as today, I prefer the power hitters. “Different strokes for different folks.”

  104. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    No doubt AROD has been a huge draw, but if he is a shadow of his former self as a player, I don’t see people spending money very long just to boo.

    There isn’t a guy on the team whose at bat you just can’t miss or a guy you count the number of batters before he gets up again. Nor is the line remotely deep. Remember when we had a lineup where Cano batted ninth?

  105. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    I miss good Alex…..they don’t have anybody close to what he used to be.

    I want Tulo…. He’s about as close as there is now as an infielder

  106. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Alex didn’t have his legs under him at all and still produced a .280/.359/.451 slash line in August. Look at it this way, Alex is likely better and can sustain longer than many of the dumpster divers we have added (after all, it’s our current M.O. to take risks on players who will eventually break down… Well, Alex is already under contract and will probably give us more production and staying power than the others). And he has made the adjustments to less power, and is the kind of situational/contact hitter that we can use. Not sure what his range will be like though… wonder how the rehab is going. DH is a distinct possibility. And Alex had a .856 OPS vs. RHP.

  107. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    Look at the guys who have gotten 10 year deals:

    Pujols
    Alex (twice)
    Jeter
    Cano

    in the first three (four if you count Alex’s second deal) you’re talking about guys who seriously move the dial. Fans come out to see them, Pujols and Alex were both considered to be among the top 10 all time in some baseball circles and in the case of Alex’s second contract he was going to be the “clean HR King.” Jeter wasn’t on that level as a player, but he was king of NYC – fans adored him and he was the face of the franchise’s championship (plus he was 26)

    Cano doesn’t have that – he’s a top ball player and fans who pay attention know who he is and how great he is. But you don’t see his face in TV or magazine ads, you don’t hear about fans turning out in droves to watch him play. In marketing parlance he just doesn’t have the Q rating of the other guys who have gotten the deals he did.

  108. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    Giancarlo would sell a ton of tickets. However, the Marlins are winning enough where he won’t be moved, and if they decided to do so, others have far more chips and willingness to spend money on a contract.

    I heard they talk on the radio about holding rookies back because of super two status. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a young player good enough to worry about his future earning power?

  109. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    Alex didn’t have his legs under him at all and still produced a .280/.359/.451 slash line in August. L”

    Yea I know…..but he won’t have played in so long by the time he’s able to come back……I just don’t know….. Time does heal wounds and whether he’s back may depend on how this year goes and if the Yanks think they can help them next year

  110. bigdan22 May 7th, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    You went on and on about how he had a case in court too……we will see…..they might not release him but it’s not absurd at all to suggest that they might. I think he’s played his last game as a Yankee and have said that all along

    —–

    If you remember correctly, I had his odds of winning his lawsuit at 1 in 20. I had his odds of obtaining a TRO (which he never sought but most definitely should have) as 1 in 10. These odds appeared in several of my posts over the winter.

    I just don’t like to following along with all the mindless legal mouthpieces out there by saying over and over again how inevitable it is that he was going to lose. Like Mr. Smith, I happen to think lost causes are bit more interesting :)

  111. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    I heard they talk on the radio about holding rookies back because of super two status. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a young player good enough to worry about his future earning power?”

    Solarte!

  112. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    I will say Id rather watch Arod hit on one leg than some of these current guys

  113. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Blake,

    Giancarlo and/or Tulu. I find myself hoping the teams with these players lose so they trade good players. It seems as soon as I do, the teams get good. I can’t imagine the Rockies trading Tulu unless he demanded it, and he doesn’t seem the type to do that. So sad, he is hitting like crazy.

  114. yankeefeminista May 7th, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    blake, Girardi welcomed Alex back and I believe would again. So that would help. Girardi really handled the whole Alex return and the knockdown by Dempster extremely well (had Alex’s back). Major props to Joe G. for keeping everything even keel.

    Gotta run, catch you all later.

  115. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    Yep, teams have been holding Solarte back for years.

  116. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Just heard on the radio that Soriano needs 2 hits to have 1,000 hits in the AL…..he has 1,000 hits in the NL. There are 5 other players to do this. Name them.

    Sneaky good career Sori has had

  117. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    The stupid Rockies are playing well so nope

  118. RhapsodyInBlue May 7th, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    For a starter I’d say Dave Winfield is one.

  119. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Yes Dave Winfield

  120. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    3 are pretty easy….2 are pretty hard

  121. Against All Odds May 7th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have a young player good enough to worry about his future earning power?

    ———————-

    Exactly. The funny thing is the Mets have faced that issue over the past couple of seasons.

    We’re worried about our guy making it past AA lol.

  122. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    I do expect AROD back now that someone finally told him to shut up. What I fear and expect is they will not do anything for 3B relying(praying) he can play. Don’t worry, Ryan has range enough to do both SS and 3B.

    I don’t see Headley, Olt, the Korean player or any other real third baseman being pursued.

  123. RhapsodyInBlue May 7th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Not bad for someone who lacks insight into the game.

  124. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    JAP,

    If you’re still out there, what were your Manny impressions?

  125. RhapsodyInBlue May 7th, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    Miquel Cabrera

  126. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    There isn’t a guy on the team whose at bat you just can’t miss or a guy you count the number of batters before he gets up again.
    ——————-

    In fairness there aren’t that many guys in the league who fit that bill:

    Trout
    Miggy
    Pujols
    Stanton

  127. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Chip,

    Your Q rating concept seems very likely with Hal and the bottom line outlook. The concept has been expressed in general, but you said it well. Gold star.

  128. RhapsodyInBlue May 7th, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    Not Cabrera he didn’t amass 1000 hits with the Marlins.

  129. G. Love May 7th, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    Hearing rumors that ESPN is planning on doing a remake of Flowers For Algernon with Robinson Cano as Charlie as Dusty Pedroia as Algernon.

  130. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    G. Love says:
    May 7, 2014 at 5:38 pm
    Hearing rumors that ESPN is planning on doing a remake of Flowers For Algernon with Robinson Cano as Charlie as Dusty Pedroia as Algernon.

    :)

  131. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    I was really busy yesterday and consequently very tired when I had the time to post..Today I am little more rested and with clearer mind, so here I go with my two cents:

    1) About Mo’s comments… I don’t think he should have said what he did, although I think we have to wait until we can actually know in what context he said it… Still, I would have never said that about a former teammate…I do think Mo is an standout man, so what he says is probably what he believes…Other opinions from as standout guys as Mo say the contrary (Jeter and CC just to mention the more recent ones)…No player, no matter how talented he is, can reach the MLB without tons of drive to excel… Individuals are unique..The way each player approaches the game is unique..Some are fiery, some are more laid back..But that doesn’t mean that the more lay back player doesn’t care..It’s just the way they probably approach life in general

    Anyone who has seen play Robbie and at least paid a little attention to how he plays, knows that he works hard at his craft..And he hated failure like no other…Every time he failed at the plate you could see his expression of frustration, for a spllt second, but there it was…

    And today’s answer from him couldn’t be more classier

    About where I think he will end up…I think he already is the best Yankee 2B of all time..And when all is said and done, he will be one of the best ever to play that position.

    ///

  132. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Hints:

    1. Player is HOFer and managed the Nats
    2. Never a Yankee but should have been
    3. SS who found himself in the playoffs often
    4. Declined to be traded to a contender in his final season because he didn’t want to leave his cattle

  133. JCPD May 7th, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    I would think Frank Robinson and Vlad would have 1000 hits in each league also along with Winfield and almost Soriano

  134. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    JCPD says:
    May 7, 2014 at 5:42 pm
    I would think Frank Robinson and Vlad would have 1000 hits in each league also along with Winfield and almost Soriano

    Both correct.

  135. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Chip,

    Your Q rating concept seems very likely with Hal and the bottom line outlook. The concept has been expressed in general, but you said it well. Gold star.
    ————————–

    Thanks.

  136. JCPD May 7th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Was Junior with Cinci long enough to reach 1000?

  137. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    JCPD says:
    May 7, 2014 at 5:44 pm
    Was Junior with Cinci long enough to reach 1000?

    He was there long enough but he didn’t get there

  138. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:27 pm e

    Just heard on the radio that Soriano needs 2 hits to have 1,000 hits in the AL…..he has 1,000 hits in the NL. There are 5 other players to do this. Name them.

    Sneaky good career Sori has had

    Funny, I just read this in the Yankees game notes, except they say there are six others who have done it.

  139. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Dick Williams?? Although I don’t think he played short

  140. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    One of the remaining 2 players helped Boston break the curse in 2004

  141. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Vlad
    Frank Robinson
    Winfield
    Crime Dog?

  142. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    Funny, I just read this in the Yankees game notes, except they say there are six others who have done it.”

    Huh…..maybe there are 6 then. They said 5 others on the radio but 2 of them I would probAbaly have never guessed so no clue on the 6th

  143. Chip May 7th, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    One of the remaining 2 players helped Boston break the curse in 2004
    —————-

    Orlando Cabrera?

  144. Hankflorida May 7th, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    G. Love May 7th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
    Hearing rumors that ESPN is planning on doing a remake of Flowers For Algernon with Robinson Cano as Charlie as Dusty Pedroia as Algernon.

    I thought that they were going on Broadway to play Vladimir and Estrogon in “Waiting for Godot.”

  145. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    Manny Ramirez??

  146. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    Crime dog yup …..ok there must have been 6 cause I have 6 now. The final two guys are hard.

  147. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Yup Orlando cabrera.

    Again the final guy refused to be traded because it would interfere with his cattle herding. Think Texas

  148. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Nomar Garciaparra

  149. bigdan22 May 7th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Carlos Lee. Only because I heard it on a broadcast.

  150. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    I give up

  151. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    What’s crime dog name?

  152. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    May 7, 2014 at 5:54 pm
    Carlos Lee. Only because I heard it on a broadcast.

    Yup…

    This concludes this trivia segment

  153. blake May 7th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    luis says:
    May 7, 2014 at 5:55 pm
    What’s crime dog name?

    Fred mcgriff

  154. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    How are we having a conversation about which players draw crowds without mentioning that future first ballot hall of famer and Yankee legend Derek Jeter has been playing to mostly an empty house?

    People pay to see a winner.

  155. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Chip,

    I would add to your must watch or scary when they hit list–Puig, Kemp if healthy, Cano, Ortiz(ugh), Tulu etc.

  156. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Well done Chip. McGriff and Cabrera (wouldn’t have guessed that one), and then my list has one more. Checked on Baseball Reference and it seems correct. Has hit totals really similar to Cabrera, but was a very different kind of player.

  157. Chad Jennings May 7th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Apparently I’m behind. Carlos Lee. Yikes. Easy to forget what a good player he was for a while.

  158. luis May 7th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Mac,

    Joe Mauer..Hurt and all..He is a pleasure to watch hit

  159. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Shame,

    Sure people want to photo Derek these days, but I was talking about a feared hitter. Reggie is my best example. Derek was a far better player but Reggie was scary because he might just hit one 450 feet or corkscrew. Either was something to see.

  160. G. Love May 7th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Shame,

    The hot ticket is always what is perceived to be the last home game. Last year for Mo people were losing their minds and offering large money for good seats.

    I imagine the same will happen for Jeter. I just hope we make the playoffs so the last game is kind of up in the air. That’s the way it should be.

  161. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    I imagine the same will happen for Jeter. I just hope we make the playoffs so the last game is kind of up in the air. That’s the way it should be.

    ===================

    We’ve got a chance…But I wouldn’t bank on it…The loss of Nova and perhaps Pineda are going to be very hard to overcome

  162. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    Luis,

    Maurer is much like Cano as a hitter. They look like they were born to it. To some extent they were. Had I only the right genes, I could have been a star. Shallow end of the gene pool. :)

  163. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    G. Love – yep, even the final Derek season isn’t a draw on a .500 ball club until the final games in September. If anyone on here wants to say Derek isn’t a draw to right ahead… If the Ms see an uptick in attendance can we put this false narrative to rest?

  164. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
    Luis,

    Maurer is much like Cano as a hitter. They look like they were born to it. To some extent they were. Had I only the right genes, I could have been a star. Shallow end of the gene pool. :)

    =================================

    LMAO!!! Nah!!! You just have other abilities ;)

  165. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    mac – I was commenting on the larger attendance/fan draw conversation. You don’t see downturns in attendance and rating annually for multiple years because of this ‘Cano isn’t a draw’ nonsense.

  166. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:04 pm
    G. Love – yep, even the final Derek season isn’t a draw on a .500 ball club until the final games in September. If anyone on here wants to say Derek isn’t a draw to right ahead… If the Ms see an uptick in attendance can we put this false narrative to rest?

    ====================

    Has attendance numbers increased this season?..I honestly don’t think so…

  167. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    I like when Chad comes to play!! We clearly need a babysitter. ;)

  168. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    I’ve only been to three games this season but it was about as dead as the zombies from 28 Weeks Later.

  169. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
    mac – I was commenting on the larger attendance/fan draw conversation. You don’t see downturns in attendance and rating annually for multiple years because of this ‘Cano isn’t a draw’ nonsense.

    ========================

    Cano was a very popular player..But the economy, the new park (Yes, the new park) because of ticket prices and the perceived non playoff contender aura of the team has hurt..Fans are not idiots

  170. austinmac May 7th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    Shame,

    Attendance is driven by people wanting to see a show. They want to see a win. Who has fond memories of seeing your team get drubbed. The more people think they will win, the more they will show up.

    Remember, I have gained much insight about the world from the inside of bottle caps.

  171. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    People said Mo didn’t draw because he’s not a position player. We’ll see what they claim their attendance is when all is said and done, but the NYS crowds haven’t been great. Things pick up in the summer of course (though why people travel to NY during the most terrible NY season I’ll never understand), but if this team has a June like last year….yuck.

  172. Shame Spencer May 7th, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Oh yeah those Snapple facts are dead useful. A lot of them are about dolphins!!!

  173. Hankflorida May 7th, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    Babe Ruth changed the game of baseball with the home run and that is what people pay to see. Wee Willie Keeler, like Jeter, was a great player but he did not fill the coiffures or build a stadium to accommodate where the Babe “would hit em where they ain’t.”

  174. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    To be honest, the team is very boring to watch..Pretty much like last season..Once they are down, you have this feeling that they won’t be able to comeback and win it…Even the body language of the players gives you this perception…I don’t know what’s going on, but the organization as a whole needs a big shakeup..You know very well that I am all for a blow it up and rebuild type of process..I just don’t feel that the way they are doing things will take us anywhere

  175. pete22 May 7th, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Has attendance numbers increased this season?..I honestly don’t think so…
    =========================

    Up 4000 per game, 37K to 41 K. However, how many have actually shown up to these games I don’t know. Looks like much less.

  176. WT2 May 7th, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    mick May 7th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    There’s a difference between being popular and being a guy who puts butts in the seats. Alex, for example, is wildly unpopular but fans turn out to see him.
    ======================================
    There is the hero and there is the anti-hero.
    Both are popular.
    Cano fell in the middle somewhere, sort of vanilla, a very good flavor but not embraced by all.
    —————————–

    I agree with Mick about Cano. But the quote is funny because vanilla is actually the ice cream type that sells the most in grocery stores LOL.

  177. pete22 May 7th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    To be honest, the team is very boring to watch..Pretty much like last season..Once they are down, you have this feeling that they won’t be able to comeback and win it
    ===========================

    Baseball is a boring game w/o the offense, and without a great offense comebacks are difficult. In fairness to the Yankees there are not many great offenses. The expanded strike zone and increased K’s, and maybe all the shifting when done wisely, has neutered the game. I would not go to a game now if I had free tickets, and from all appearances, many fans who pay for games don’t bother to attend, or they show late and leave early (and corporations can’t even give away their tickets).

  178. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    pete22 May 7th, 2014 at 6:21 pm
    luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Has attendance numbers increased this season?..I honestly don’t think so…
    =========================

    Up 4000 per game, 37K to 41 K. However, how many have actually shown up to these games I don’t know. Looks like much less.

    ========================

    I don’t live up there..But the images I have seen tell a different story…Probably corporations have bought those tickets..And they count them as attendance, even if they don’t show up.

    I went to NYS in 2010 for the last time… To be honest, I miss the old ballpark..It doesn’t have the same atmosphere..It is a very quiet place..Very comfortable and expensive (I paid like 300 bucks for two tickes to watch a Yankees-O’s game and it was on the second deck)..But you didn’t see the passion I saw many times in the old one

  179. WT2 May 7th, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    To be honest, the team is very boring to watch..Pretty much like last season..Once they are down, you have this feeling that they won’t be able to comeback and win it…Even the body language of the players gives you this perception…
    —————————————–

    Luis,

    I made exactly the same comments to my wife yesterday night when they were losing 3-2.

    It didn’t stop me from watching the game and keep my hopes up though.

  180. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    WT2 May 7th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
    To be honest, the team is very boring to watch..Pretty much like last season..Once they are down, you have this feeling that they won’t be able to comeback and win it…Even the body language of the players gives you this perception…
    —————————————–

    Luis,

    I made exactly the same comments to my wife yesterday night when they were losing 3-2.

    It didn’t stop me from watching the game and keep my hopes up though.

    ===============

    I always try to watch..But yesterday I went to bed when they were tied at 2…I was really tired

  181. pete22 May 7th, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    “But I’ll look at everything, where I might (use him), if I’ll play him at second or I’ll play him at third for a day?”

    Sweet Jesus, say it ain’t so Joe. Maybe if it increases his trade value so they can sign Drew.

    However, if Roberts hot stretch is at all predictive, and he can stay healthy, which are big ifs in my opinion, the IF is probably set for better or worse. However, Ryans bat is not going to help a punchless offense. Less we see of him the better unless late in games as a defensive replacement or in blowouts

  182. WT2 May 7th, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    Cano’s issue was that he has nothing to do with baseball.

    He was simply not as charismatic as some of the other star players, so the average fan doesn’t feel the need to pay top dollars to watch him play.

    Add the language barrier and he has 2 strikes against him. Although the language barrier didn’t affect Matsui…

    But those baseball fans who loves baseball in general and knows greatness when they see it will pay to watch him play. Regardless who he plays for, he is a HOF player, unless a freak injury occurs.

    His swing along should go to the HOF. It is a swing of beauty.

  183. JimmyT May 7th, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    ” without mentioning that future first ballot hall of famer and Yankee legend Derek Jeter has been playing to mostly an empty house?”

    Maybe because NY is second in average attendance to LAD and third in % sold?

    Neat narrative if accuracy isn’t your thing.

  184. WT2 May 7th, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    However, Ryans bat is not going to help a punchless offense. Less we see of him the better unless late in games as a defensive replacement or in blowouts
    —————————–

    This… I have been wondering the same thing about Ryan.

    Like we used to say years ago, Ryan is an automatic out with a bat.

    At least Jeter gives us hope when he bat, even if I want to throw my remote control every time he hits for a DP. Too bad he is such a free swinger though. It seems HP umpires are giving him a nice farewell tour with some tough calls like they did to Mo in his last year…

    so there is that :)

  185. luis May 7th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  186. pete22 May 7th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Pat M. May 7th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Keep in mind that Joe Morgan played what 18 seasons or so, and his lifetime on base % is higher than Cano’s best season.
    ===============================

    Morgan was a singles hitter who played more than 1/2 his games on artificial turf. His OBP was 40 points higher on turf than grass (370 on grass). Cano has decent OBP numbers but exceptional power numbers for a 2Bman, and he has played in a period of higher K rates which suppresses OBP, without the juiced ball we saw prior to testing which compensated for that and helped some of his peers in this generation. Its only the last 4 years he has been an elite hitter so I do agree Cano has to have at least another 6 very good years to be in any HOF discussions

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