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No DH leaves Soriano on the bench

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 09, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

EllsburyJacoby Ellsbury CF
Derek Jeter SS
Carlos Beltran RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Brian McCann C
Yangervis Solarte 3B
Brett Gardner LF
Brian Roberts 2B
Masahiro Tanaka RHP

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100 Responses to “No DH leaves Soriano on the bench”

  1. bigdan22 May 9th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Re-post:

    “But I believe that the Yankee organization knows far more about this game and this team than anyone here. Far more. To think otherwise is just nonsensical in my opinion.”

    ——

    This is probably about 85% correct Sweetspot. But there is a thing called institutional bias. And believe me, I’ve worked in some of those institutions. Sometimes organizations get to a point where it’s almost impossible for them to make a correct decision. Organizations also contain cults of personality too that can distort decision-making. Something tells me there are probably more than a handful of folks on this blog who could run the Raiders quite a bit better than Al Davis did at the end there. All you really needed to do was listen to your lieutenants. That seems pretty simply doesn’t it but Davis couldn’t do that.

    But I get your point. There’s a lot we don’t know about the Yanks. Especially their finances. I think I’ve pointed out before we have absolutely no idea just how profitable the Yanks are and what demands minority owners place on the Steinbrenners in terms of distributions and returns on investment. While it’s true, in real dollars the Yanks are spending less today than in the recent past, we have no clue what their real cost and capital structure is like. Not a public company.

  2. Against All Odds May 9th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    I stand by my comment that there is barely a heartbeat here insofar as crediting the Yankee brain trust for things they do well.

    ——————

    I think that’s because when they do mess up it’s either a big one or multiple ones in a row. It’s not just on here but in general so when they do something right it’s not going to get noticed as much when they screw up

  3. Tackelberry May 9th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    I would have sat Gardner and gave Ichiro the start.

  4. Mottsx May 9th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Hope Tanaka doesn’t pull a Wang down the first base line. I’ll lead the conga line into Selig’s office forcing him to sign the DH rule in both leagues.

  5. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Good comments on my post thank you. I do agree they make mistakes, no question. It just seems a bit one-sided. Surely, Tanaka, Solarte, Betances, Warren, Phelps, Ellsbury, etc., would fit into the “pretty darn good,” category for sure and I think in a while McCann and Beltran will also.

  6. bigdan22 May 9th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    I guess Jeter in the No. 2 spot against right-handers is going to continue. I wonder how many non-fastballs he’ll see in the series.

  7. Shame Spencer May 9th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    I think the Yankees are awesome at spending money. It’s not like I won’t give them credit when they deserve it.

    The org needs an overhaul though.. especially in the scouting and development departments. They’ve missed too much to have that much blind faith in them.

    blake mentioned the Fielder and Fister trades by Dombrowski. Especially with Fister a lot of us were kinda scratching our heads. But the overall sentiment was ‘Dombroski has a good track record, he knows what he’s doing/he knows something we don’t’ – because he’s earned that reputation. This FO group with the Yankees have not earned that type of blind faith.

  8. Against All Odds May 9th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
    Good comments on my post thank you. I do agree they make mistakes, no question. It just seems a bit one-sided. Surely, Tanaka, Solarte, Betances, Warren, Phelps, Ellsbury, etc., would fit into the “pretty darn good,” category for sure and I think in a while McCann and Beltran will also.

    ———————

    True but again when they mess up it leaves a bitter taste that can’t be taken away. We as fans still bring up 2004 despite winning on 09. The team was once a well oiled machine during the dynasty yrs. It was like everything they touched turned to gold. But since then it’s been a roller coaster. FAs not working out while some have, prospects failing while others haven’t, Levine getting in the way, a WS victory but then more PS failure soon followed, etc.

  9. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Someone asked in the RAB chat about Joba and the numbers Axisa gave looked really good so I just checked up on him and sure enough after his first 2 disaster appearances of the season he has a 1.69 ERA and a ridiculous K:BB. Guess those zubaz helped?

  10. GregD May 9th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    yankeefeminista May 9th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    Hi GregD, you mean live? Not too much since 2011 (Trenton). Then he only pitched a couple innings in the first two April games in 2012 in AA before he got moved up to AAA. Limited innings, mostly out of pen. Great changeup. I thought he looked impressive in ST. You?

    ——————————–

    No, I havent but I understand he has developed a slider that has become an effective pitch for him and he is turning heads in SWB

  11. bigdan22 May 9th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Three right-handers this series. Sori may not start at all. This would be a propitious time for a McCann series breakout.

  12. Shame Spencer May 9th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Their best moves have been big money moves. This year, that’s especially evident with Tanaka, Ellsbury and (I certainly hope he’ll be considered in that group soon) McCann.

    The bullpen is another area they’ve done well.. but it’s kinda debatable since half of the arms in the pen were starters. It’s also an area where you don’t pat yourself on the back too much because there’s a ton of turnover.

    They’ve developed arguably 3 position players in Melky, Cano and Gardner. They get plus points there. Cano definitely benefited from being on good teams with good coaching early in his career (Bowa). But they’ve drafted terribly.

    They’ve developed some starting pitching with Kennedy and Hughes, but Kennedy has publicly stated he didn’t figure things out until he worked with the Dbacks coaches. Nova could be considered a success story.. a lot of people feel like he ended up being successful because he was an undervalued prospect, though. Phelps and Nuno are TBD.

  13. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    I’d throw Warren in there as well. I really like his stuff and mound presence.

  14. Mordot11 May 9th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Mottsx says:
    May 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    Hope Tanaka doesn’t pull a Wang down the first base line. I’ll lead the conga line into Selig’s office forcing him to sign the DH rule in both leagues.

    I hope the Yanks made it clear that he is not to run hard for any reason.

  15. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    There are a lot of us who are mischaracterized and lumped with so called bridge jumpers who always take the negative slant regarding each issue.

    Check out our comments from 2010 and 2011 and you’ll see that Cashman and Co. had quite a bit of support within these walls and liked where the organization was heading.

    But that has since changed with a significant number of predictably bad moves and the lack of player development while the heart and soul of the organization was aging and on the cusp of retirement.

    Sooner or later, promises need to be turned into results or they lose faith and support among the fan base.

    There isn’t any evidence to suggest the developmental side is in a better position now than they were when Cashman wrestled and took control of the farm in 2005.

  16. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    Theres also the fact that the team looked setup to win going forward with the WS in 09, Cashman talking big about the farm system, Hank & HAL seemingly being willing to let Cash do his thing etc. Then the farm collapses, they make a bunch of boneheaded draft picks, ignore all the awesome looking IFAs, Cashman starts getting vetoed on stuff, Levine signs players that baseball ops doesn’t want, and the team publicly talk about cutting payroll the one area where the Yankees could always be the best.

    Its not all been rosy with the Yankees.

  17. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    “There isn’t any evidence to suggest the developmental side is in a better position now than they were when Cashman wrestled and took control of the farm in 2005.”
    —————-
    I don’t know, without digging up all the stats, isn’t it fair to say the new strategy of drafting and developing college program ballplayers has already been shown to be more effective than the old high-risk, high reward high schoolers?

  18. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    isn’t it fair to say the new strategy of drafting and developing college program ballplayers has already been shown to be more effective than the old high-risk, high reward high schoolers?

    Are you certain that drafting HS players is an ‘old strategy’? Last year’s draft was the first year they took college hitters in the first round. And half a season is not really enough time to suggest its been more effective or not. I would think a more effective strategy would simply be to draft the best players available, instead of going 100% one way or the other.

  19. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    “Cashman talking big about the farm system”

    —————-

    This is hardly talking big.

    “It’s not as good as we need it to be in terms of results,” Yankees GM Brian Cashman said when asked if it was fair to characterize his farm system as a bust. “There are a number of reasons behind that. At the end of the day, we’ve had some misses, without a doubt. We’ve had some guys who didn’t make their projections, who failed to cross the finish line. So basically it’s fair to criticize where we’re currently sitting.”

  20. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    That quote has nothing to do with the point you quoted me saying. That quote is from 2014. Cashman did not first gain control of the farm system in 2014.

  21. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    I believe Cashman said something to the effect of “God save the rest of baseball” when he was given control of the baseball ops 100%.

  22. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    Sure, drafting more college kids who aren’t quite as raw as the high school kids seems like a smart strategy but it should have always been an obvious one.

    At this point in time, since the same people who don’t have a very good track record in recent years are still in their respective positions, I no longer think they deserve the same benefit of the doubt that they got from a number of us 4-5 years ago.

  23. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    On paper this is the best team the Yankees have faced. However,they have lost 6 of 8 games and scored only 3.5 RPG in that time. Their offense misses Braun.

  24. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    “Are you certain that drafting HS players is an ‘old strategy’?”

    Death and taxes are certainties. But yes, I have heard some interviews on the radio and read some things that suggested that as they did in 2013 (as you mentioned above) that the Yankees valued college ballplayers more than high schoolers because they had more of a track record at a higher level as opposed to a crap shoot. Meaning the likelihood of a faster track. That doesn’t mean never take a high school player again, just be much more judicious and careful.

  25. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    I believe Cashman said something to the effect of “God save the rest of baseball” when he was given control of the baseball ops 100%.

    —–

    That’s exactly what he said. I also seem to recall the phrase “The Rays with money.”

  26. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:53 pm
    That quote has nothing to do with the point you quoted me saying. That quote is from 2014. Cashman did not first gain control of the farm system in 2014.
    ————–
    So what? Cashman has been open and honest about mistakes that were made, I also believe bad luck and circumstances out of their control played a part, and is taking steps to correct the. And there were successes. Look where Tampa’s farm is ranked today. Winning comes at a price.That’s not shirking responsibility, but one should be fair.

  27. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    “God save the rest of baseball” was a tongue-in-cheek joke be serious! :)

  28. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Drafting well is important, but its still somewhat of a lottery past the top 10. 30% of players come from the international amateur free agent market, and they have also been deficient in this area since 2007 when their international scouting directer was fired for taking kickbacks.

  29. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Its completely fair to say that Cashman and the Yankees talked a big game and then failed to walk the game they talked.

    Also this doesn’t really sound that jokey: “We have the most money, there’s no secret about that,” Cashman said. “If you combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, then God help the rest of baseball.”

  30. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Oh please! lol

  31. Against All Odds May 9th, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
    Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    I believe Cashman said something to the effect of “God save the rest of baseball” when he was given control of the baseball ops 100%.

    —–

    That’s exactly what he said. I also seem to recall the phrase “The Rays with money.”

    —-

    If you talked big you have to back it up. Sure every team hypes up their guys but you can’t talk that big and then not deliver.

  32. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    They were caught in a cycle that happens to many teams who win, plus circumstances and some bad picks and development.

  33. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Thats a pretty clear promise that they have not lived up to. Unless you think Cashman was joking about trying to make the Yankees the best in which case I can see why you’d think they have been doing a fine job so far.

  34. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Winning comes at a price.

    —-

    Meaning what?

  35. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    I know everyone here has seen the BP Organizational Rankings:

    Top Two: Minnesota and The Cubs
    Bottom Two: Angels and Brewers (Tampa 26, Detroit 27)

  36. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Come on GF. More wins lower picks. Not always, you can deal away players for picks. But as a general rule it’s true.

  37. UnKnown May 9th, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Brewers rocking the old school blues for batting practice. Cool look.

  38. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    David Robertson, Brett Gardner, Ivan Nova, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Phelps, Warren . . . Sanchez and more. Not so terrible.

  39. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    GF – from ESPN/NY article:

    “According to one talent evaluator, a study his club conducted showed the WAR (Wins Above Replacement) for the No. 1 pick as four times more valuable compared to the 30th pick of the round. In the draft, the Yankees are victims of their own success.”

  40. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    You always seem to include players that are clearly works in progress in those lists of ‘good things’.

  41. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Not at all, I reeled those off the top of my head – just want to point out it’s not nearly as bad as some would think.

  42. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Yes at all, Manny Banuelos hasnt even pitched in the majors, how is he a success story for this org? Or Gary Sanchez?

  43. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Drafting well is important, but its still somewhat of a lottery past the top 10. 30% of players come from the international amateur free agent market, and they have also been deficient in this area since 2007 when their international scouting directer was fired for taking kickbacks.

    —–

    I hear that argument a lot in regards to not having a Top 10 pick and it’s true you’re not going to get a David Price or Bryce Harper without a top pick.

    But there are several teams who do a lot better job than the Yanks developing their guys and don’t have a regular starting lineup filled with 1st Round picks.

    At this point, I’m not demanding they produce a bunch of perennial All Stars. I’d be thrilled with a couple of infielders who could manage league average production and not embarrass themselves playing regularly instead of rummaging through the dumpster and relying on Brian Roberts and Johnson.

    They caught lightning in the bottle with Solarte but his clock may have already struck midnight and we’re only 30 games into the season.

    And yes, ignoring the IFA market before Tanaka was downright criminal and really hurt them.

  44. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Come on GF. More wins lower picks. Not always, you can deal away players for picks. But as a general rule it’s true.

    —–

    My last post addresses the same issue.

  45. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
    Yes at all, Manny Banuelos hasnt even pitched in the majors, how is he a success story for this org? Or Gary Sanchez?
    __________________

    My opinion evaluating what I know and have seen of their skills and projectability. Might be wrong down the road.

  46. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    The Tigers, Tampa and Oakland are near the very bottom of the organizational rankings in 2014. When healthy they field pretty good teams, we can all agree on that, but who knows if that will catch up to them. I understand the focus on the Yankees here though.

  47. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Neither Sanchez nor Banuelos have ever played a game in the majors so I don’t see how they can be success stories.

  48. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Ah, Jerk beat me to it.

  49. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Your rankings will take a hit if you graduate good players to the majors. The Yankees are near the bottom of those org lists without graduating very many useful or every day pieces which is the problem.

  50. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    GF – from ESPN/NY article:

    “According to one talent evaluator, a study his club conducted showed the WAR (Wins Above Replacement) for the No. 1 pick as four times more valuable compared to the 30th pick of the round. In the draft, the Yankees are victims of their own success.”
    =====================

    Getting a number 1 pick doe not guarantee success. Over the last 15 years the following teams have got a number 1 pick

    Rays x 4
    Pirates x 2
    Nationals x 2
    Astros X 2
    Royals
    D Backs
    Twins
    Padres
    Marlins (2000-Adrian Gonzalez)

    5 of the picks were busts, 7 were very good/star players (and 3 of them were traded and developed elsewhere), and the rest TBD. No guarantees even with the 1st round pick.

  51. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    If only I had Dave Stieb…

  52. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    And the Yankees should be beating the pants off teams like the Tigers/Rays/Oakland, the latter of which do not try to win every season nor spend anywhere near the amount of money the Yankees do.

  53. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    I don’t want anyone beating the pants off me. Call me a prude.

  54. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    I woke up today with the fact, ” the Leafs coulda’ had, Bobby Orr “. An observer of a 14 year old Bobby approached the Leafs and Punch Imlach to take the kid in. Punch’s answer, ” contact me when he’s older “. Crap! :(

  55. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    Many here had the same high hopes as Cashman way back when. Combining money with a renewed farm system seemed to be the right course of action

    I’m not sure where it all went, if not wrong, well, at least, not right. The intentions were there; were good; were, I believe, sincere. At least for Cashman. I cannot say that I think that ownership ever 100% bought into the direction.

    Some is luck. Some certainly has to be what do you do with these guys once you have them. But I have never gotten an answer from ANYONE here when I asked the question, “what is development?” I mean, what is it they do in the minor leagues to develop players outside of playing the games. I really want someone to lay it all out.

    ‘Cause there’s a lot of talk about development, but not a whole lot about what exactly development is.

  56. UnKnown May 9th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Officer BMAC is hitting bombs in BP.

    Is he due to go on a torrid stretch?? Tune in at 8:10. :cool:

  57. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    300+ times teams passed on Pujols the year he was drafted. You never know.

  58. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    Development to me means, coaching, instruction, facilitating acclimation both physical and mental, nutrition, work out regimens, placement at the proper level and advancing them when warranted, individual attention based on specific skills and shortcomings.

  59. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    Doreen, I just don’t know. John Farrell says the Jays suck at development, but that’s from a guy who wanted to leave immediately after being given a 3 year guaranteed contract here. Toronto’s not perfect, but we ain’t got 12 foot rats in our park.

  60. Don May 9th, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Shame Spencer May 9th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Their best moves have been big money moves. This year, that’s especially evident with Tanaka, Ellsbury and (I certainly hope he’ll be considered in that group soon) McCann.

    The bullpen is another area they’ve done well.. but it’s kinda debatable since half of the arms in the pen were starters. It’s also an area where you don’t pat yourself on the back too much because there’s a ton of turnover.

    They’ve developed arguably 3 position players in Melky, Cano and Gardner. They get plus points there.
    —————————————-
    Can we add Austin Jackson to this list?

  61. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    300+ times teams passed on Pujols the year he was drafted. You never know.

    —–

    Again, though, nobody is saying they should have developed the next Pujols, Trout, or Cabrera by now.

    But how much better off would they be right now if they had simply managed to develop a capable infielder or two instead of relying on an aging Teixeira and Jeter coming off serious injuries last season to carry the entire infield while ignoring 2B and 3B?

  62. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Man, were the Jays and Eppy Guerrero great on being ahead of the Dominican curve in the eighties. R.I.P. Eppy, you and Pat Gillick sure did make me happy Keith Richards.

  63. UnKnown May 9th, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Jeter is amazing after all these years he warms up the same exact way. BP followed by catch in front of the dugout right into grounders at short. Followed by catch again after introductions I assume.

    Crowd giving him the Der-ek Jeter chant. He loved it. Someone yelled out “one more year Derek”
    *ducks. :lol:

  64. Giuseppe Franco May 9th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Development to me kinda seems like year round Spring Training without the old timers donning their old numbers and playing golf afterwards.

  65. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    SweetSpot

    Okay -

    So outside of the instructional league, which is fairly obvious what it is about, WHEN and HOW does this coaching, instruction, acclimation facilitation both physical and mental, nutritional guidance and workout regiment take place? And placement sometimes depends on what you’ve got at each level, and being blocked by other players.

    Each of the minor league levels has a season with games that have to be played, and travel which is not nearly as swanky as major league travel. When do they do this coaching and instruction? when and how do they acclimate players mentally and physically?

    Is it one hour before a game, show up and do infield drills? Batting practice?

    Nutrition. Are you kidding me? These guys don’t get paid, and I’ve read that the game spreads are not necessarily the most nutritional in the world (for any team, not just the Yankees).

    And I don’t know that the Yankees do things much differently from any other franchise. People say other teams are better. So what is it that they do that is better?

  66. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    The Yankees serve artisinal, local sourced hamburger helper to their AA team after games. Sometimes free range chipotle if a veteran is in town.

  67. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    And I would think a lot has to do with the particular make-up of any particular player. Some are more driven than others, and will put in the extra work. Some are just more naturally talented and that will carry them for a time. Derek Jeter was not a good minor league player, at least defensively, apparently. He worked hard. He was driven. He had an edge (Ford says so).

    I think you have to factor into all of this that all of the players that come through system are each different. Some are going to succeed, some are not.

    And then there is a timing factor.

    When you hit your stride, is the ML team ready to bring you on?

    People make it sound like it’s this definite equation that make s a major league player, but it’s not. And a major league star???? that’s something entirely not controllable.

  68. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    Then there’s the injuries.

  69. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Luis Leal used to like to chow down at these big after game spreads. Wade Boggs drank 70 beers on the way to the coast,… and still did his superstitious regimen thing next day.

  70. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Doreen I would be very surprised if there was not some nutritional counseling of some sort.

    I don’t know when and where these things go on aside from the obvious, but if “development” is to mean anything at all, then it must be an actual system or plan or at least have the components that would make it something substantive one can evaluate.

  71. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Development would be a great topic for a Chad article and a Yankee rep of some sort who is involved.

  72. UnKnown May 9th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Flaherty and Kay sucks for the viewers, ick

  73. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    GF, I hear Malcolm Young is not well. The band is on temporary hold.

  74. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    Some is luck. Some certainly has to be what do you do with these guys once you have them. But I have never gotten an answer from ANYONE here when I asked the question, “what is development?” I mean, what is it they do in the minor leagues to develop players outside of playing the games. I really want someone to lay it all out.

    ================================

    Obviously, coaching players and training programs are part of any development program. The ability to accurately assess young players as they evolve, and the ability to move them up the system in a timely fashion (not too fast and not too slow). I think good doctors are important as well to make sure injuries are diagnosed properly (Campos probably sould have had TJ Surgery much earlier for example). Teaching young players to train
    properly is also important I think, especially in the offseason.

    Not sure how paying these kids 1000-2000 a month for 5 months is conducive to good player development though. The top picks have bonuses that help them but there is talent in later rounds that don’t get much in terms of bonuses and they probably have to work in the offseason

  75. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    When you have a 17, 18, 19, 20 year old player, further physical development and especially that guided by his genetics is impossible to know. You can project but that’s all. Look at pictures of Jeter when drafted.

  76. mick May 9th, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    gregg allman tribute this sunday on axs

  77. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    The Yankees provide the foremost nutritional pamphlets to their players. If you read minor league memoirs they tend to eat pretty poorly.

    The Yankees could actually spend some money and make sure their minor leaguers are housed, fed, and put on good work out schedules, but they don’t.

  78. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    SweetSpot -

    I understand.

    But people toss around the opinion here that the Yankees are bad at development. But no one talks about what that entails.

    I also think that there are things that happen that just, well, happen, that either cause a player to take off or flop. Sometimes it’s within the individual and not outside forces.

    As for nutritional guidance, it’s one thing to tell guys what the should be eating, but it’s another thing for these guys to be able to afford to buy the right foods and to prepare them.

    One thing I learned from reading Dirk Hayhurst’s books is that those players who were paid signing bonuses, the top draft picks, get preferential treatment no matter what. the money has been spent, so the focus is on those players, and pushing them ahead. It’s hard for a “regular” guy to get the recognition.

    pete22 -

    With Campos, it sounded like the Yankees deferred to the doctors who thought that rehabilitation would be the best avenue to pursue. It didn’t work. So, now the surgery. Doctors can be wrong, too, I guess. but if they were right, he avoided surgery.

    I do fervently believe that there are some guys in the minors who don’t have what it takes to get to the top, regardless of natural talent.

  79. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Jerkface -

    ALL major league teams could afford to do that. But they don’t.

  80. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    There are always the intangibles of desire, responsibility and commitment and how a young man matures.

  81. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    It’s not just the Yankees Jerkface.

  82. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    The point is I think they are taught what they should be eating and why. I also don’t buy the money factor. There are plenty of healthy options that don’t break the bank. Fruit, vegetables, lean chicken and turkey, salads, whole grains, nuts, etc.

  83. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Great we’ll just wait for some other teams to do it for half a decade and it becomes en vogue then the Yankees can hire an intern to put it together

  84. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    I thought this was an interesting article by a blogger unknown

    http://conorglassey.com/big-le.....1996-2013/

    Had the yankees ranked 16th in number of 1st round picks since 1996

    “16. NEW YORK YANKEES (68)
    Scouting Directors: Lin Garrett (1996-2004) & Damon Oppenheimer (2005-2013)
    Total AB: 11,461
    Total IP: 9,874
    Notable Players: Nick Johnson, Austin Jackson, Brett Gardner, Marcus Thames, Eric Milton, Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Tyler Clippard, Phil Coke & David Robertson

    Interesting Tidbit: At 11,461, the Yankees have drafted and signed the fewest at-bats of any team since 1996. The team’s leading player during that span was the oft-inured Nick Johnson, though he will soon be passed by Austin Jackson. I did not count pitchers in the at-bats totals, but if I did the Yankees would have two in the top 10 during this time span: Ian Kennedy (219 at-bats) and Eric Milton (205).”

  85. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    The point is I think they are taught what they should be eating and why. I also don’t buy the money factor. There are plenty of healthy options that don’t break the bank. Fruit, vegetables, lean chicken and turkey, salads, whole grains, nuts, etc.

    Now how should the players buy and prepare this stuff? A lot of them don’t have cars, or speak english, or have time to go to the store when they are on the road all the time, or they live with 3 other guys in a cramped apartment.

  86. Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    SweetSpot -

    And where do they prepare this food? Even if they can afford it. Which, I’m not sure they can. And when do they cook it? With games getting over at 10 or 11 at night. And some guys are better than others, I’m sure, or have moms that are hoverers that get involved in this aspect of it if they’re close enough. And what about the guys with cultural differences and language barriers?

    Development is not a perfect science is really what I’m getting to. You might do all the right things, but not have the impact on as many players as you hope.

    I do think this would be a great subject for the media to tackle, but no one ever does.

  87. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Doreen May 9th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    pete22 -

    With Campos, it sounded like the Yankees deferred to the doctors who thought that rehabilitation would be the best avenue to pursue. It didn’t work. So, now the surgery. Doctors can be wrong, too, I guess. but if they were right, he avoided surgery.
    =======================

    Team doctors are likely to have a conflict of interest. Its not in their interest to be too quick to recommend surgery. That’s why most MLB players get 2nd opinions. Guys like Campos probably could not afford to see a Dr Andrews, and its probably frowned upon. Just saying his elbow has been an issue since he joined the team in 2012 and he is just now having surgery.

  88. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    You can eat out and eat healthy. Even fast food restaurants have healthy options, salads and turkey, etc. for not much money. The players should be taught what to eat and then take the responsibility to do it right.

  89. Against All Odds May 9th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
    Great we’ll just wait for some other teams to do it for half a decade and it becomes en vogue then the Yankees can hire an intern to put it together

    —————-

    They do tend to be reactionary.

    Red Sox turn toward the farm in the 2000s and the Yankees day hey let’s do that.
    The Rays become a good team and they say let’s become the Rays with money.
    Darvish proves to be a good pitcher and they say let’s go all out for Darvish.
    Rays shift and they say hey let’s shift to a high insane amount even though they were shifting already.

  90. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    McDonald’s – Premium Caesar Salad with Grilled Chicken and low-fat balsamic vinaigrette plus Fruit ‘n Yogurt Parfait; 375 calories.

  91. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Subway – 6″ Subway Club on 9-Grain Wheat Bread with lettuce, tomatoes, onions, green peppers, cucumbers, and Sweet Onion Sauce plus apple slices.

    Oven Roasted Chicken Salad with tomatoes, green peppers, onions, olives, and cucumbers with honey-mustard dressing plus Yogurt Parfait.

  92. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Oh yea why didn’t I think of that, why didn’t these professional athletes just eat a 375 calorie salad from mcdonalds every night?!

  93. pete22 May 9th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    The point is I think they are taught what they should be eating and why. I also don’t buy the money factor. There are plenty of healthy options that don’t break the bank. Fruit, vegetables, lean chicken and turkey, salads, whole grains, nuts, etc.
    ==============

    The average minor leaguer not on the 40 man roster makes 5-10,000 PER YEAR during the season!!!!!!

    These players also need quality protein as they they are still growing/

  94. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Love the Allman Brothers.

  95. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Jerkface I didn’t say they should eat a 375 calorie salad every night. I am pointing out you can be taught good nutrition and eat right if you take the responsibility and eat right.

    I understand you never admit when you are wrong but you are here. I have eaten a pretty healthy diet for years. You can buy a rotisserie whole chicken and a good salad for $10-$12 dollars in any supermarket.

  96. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    And you take that out and no cooking is required and there are lost of meals like that.

  97. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKZMzW5rzA

    I was always a bit of a snot aboot, Van Halen ( glam fluff all things considering ), but cripes, Eddie can be rather specific.

  98. Jerkface May 9th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Basically I think you have a completely unrealistic view of what is realistic for most minor league ball players. I can go to publix every day and buy a lb of fresh trout and fresh veggies and cook that, but that doesn’t mean a minor league ballplayer has the capacity and budget for it.

    When your argument seems to be ITS SO SIMPLE you’re clearly out of touch with the living and working conditions of these players. When you get to the major league level, where you’re actually taken care of, you might have a point, but minor league teams are more like packs of untrained animals than a healthy living environment.

  99. SweetSpot May 9th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    You have no idea what you are talking about. I explained that you don’t have to cook and spend money to consume lots of healthy calories. I am totally in touch with what good nutrition is for everyone, including athletes with higher caloric intake needs. It requires personal repsonsibility, no one can force anyone to do anything.

  100. jmills May 9th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    I soak chick beans overnight, boil, and make salads. :D

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