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Postgame notes: “He’s continued to grow in front of us”

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Yangervis Solarte, Jacoby Ellsbury, Mark Teixeira, Alfonso Soriano

By all accounts, Chase Whitley had a very solid major league debut tonight to help the Yankees salvage the Subway Series with a 1-0 win that gave them a split with the crosstown rival Mets.

But after the game, most of the buzz centered around Dellin Betances, whose electric stuff has become a go-to weapon for the Yanks.

“He was really impressive,” Joe Girardi said of Betances. “What did he strikeout six out of seven guys? He’s continued to grow in front of us, and today he did it without throwing a lot of pitches – just a ton of strikes. I think his confidence is just going higher and higher every time he takes the mound.”

Betances came on in relief of Whitley with runners on second and third and two outs in the fifth, getting Eric Young Jr. to ground out to third to end the inning and preserve a scoreless tie.

That would be the only ball that the Mets put in play against the flame-throwing right-hander, as he struck out the side in each of the next two innings and set a career-high.

He may not be labeled the Yankees’ closer or set-up man, but Betances is morphing into one of the team’s most valuable arms.

“At that time, I’m just trying to get ahead,” Betances said when asked about the six consecutive strikeouts. “I’m not thinking too much about it. It was definitely pretty cool. After you’re done with it, it’s like, ‘Oh, wow. That just happened.’ But at the time, I’m just trying to go out there and make pitches – especially because it was a tight ballgame.”

• Personally, I thought that Girardi’s hook for Whitley was rather quick, but it obviously worked out. He had pretty much cruised through his first four innings and had a relatively low pitch count of 74, but Girardi said that the two walks in the fifth were a sign of fatigue. “His performance was spectacular,” Girardi said. “First time out, not being a starter his whole career, not being stretched out a ton. We just felt that he started to tire. He walked a couple of guys that inning, and that was the reason that we took him out. We had Dellin where we knew that he was going to throw multiple innings at some point in this game.”

Chase Whitley• Whitley allowed just two hits and two walks while striking out four over 4 2/3 innings. He didn’t seem overwhelmed by the moment, and more than likely earned himself at least one more start. “To be able to control his emotions, to be able to come out and throw strikes in a series like this, it’s pretty impressive,” Girardi said. “We haven’t made any changes in the rotation. He didn’t do anything to not deserve to make the next start.”

• When asked about all of the strikeouts, Betances quickly changed the subject to the groundout that got the Yankees out of trouble in the fifth. The strikeouts were impressive, no doubt, but he knows the biggest out came with the go-ahead run sitting on third base. “First, I was trying to get Eric Young Jr. out,” Betances said. “That was a big, big part of the game, I think – bigger than anything else – just because it was a tie ballgame and we’re trying to take that game to split the series 2-2. For me, it was pretty cool. Subway Series, you grow up watching that, and to actually be a part of it and pitch in it, it was pretty special for me.”

• Betances has strictly been sticking to two pitches, but they’re two very good ones — a power fastball that reaches the upper 90s and a devastating breaking ball. The breaking pitch is often referred to as a curve ball, but it has some slider tendencies. When asked how he would describe it, Betances said, “Slurve, knuckle curve, whatever it is. I just try to execute that pitch.”

• Girardi was asked if he can see Betances moving into a more prominent role, such as set-up man or closer. He has struck out 39 of the 87 batters that he’s faced this season, which is good for a cool 44.8 percent. “I don’t want to get too far ahead of where we project that he’ll be, but I will say this: He’s got a gift,” he said. “He’s got a very good fastball and a very good curveball, and he’s not a comfortable at-bat. Where he ends up, none of us know, but he’s got good stuff.”

• What did Mets manager Terry Collins think of Betances? “I’m glad we don’t have to see him for awhile.”

• In total, the Yankees bullpen recorded 10 of its 13 outs via strikeout. David Robertson came on in relief of Adam Warren with runners on the corners and completed a four-out save. “I think it’s extremely important because there are times when you’re going to need those strikeouts to keep them from scoring,” Girardi said. “We have some power at the back end. We weren’t sure what we were going to have when we left spring training with some of these guys, but you think about the job that Warren has done, the job that Betances and Shawn Kelley. I mean, we have some power at the back end. When you have that, you’re going to get strikeouts.”

Juan Centeno, Brian McCann• Two days ago, the Yankees had lost four in a row and had a mounting list of injuries — particularly in the rotation — that seemed like it could result in a continuation of the downward spiral. Now, with back-to-back shutouts for the first time since 2004 and only second time in the last 35 years, everything is right again in Yankee-land. “The game of baseball is extremely interesting to me because emotions can fluctuate a lot about how a team is playing from day-to-day and week-to-week,” Girardi said. “We weren’t pitching too well. I mean, you think about this series. We saw a ton of hitting in the first two games, and then you didn’t see too much the next two games. So, it can fluctuate a lot, and I think as a manager and our coaches in our clubhouse, we can’t get caught up in that, because there’s going to be weeks where maybe one phase of the game doesn’t perform as well as its capable, and you hope that the other phase can pick it up. But it’s a long year and we went through some lumps where we had some tough starts, but these guys bounced back.”

• In Collins’ eyes, there’s no coincidence that the run-scoring died down when the series switched from the bandbox that is Yankee Stadium to the more spacious Citi Field. “A lot of it has to do with that, for sure,” he said. “To be successful in this ballpark, you can’t be a one-dimensional hitter.”

• The two teams combined for just nine hits today, as Mets rookie Jacob deGrom was also impressive in his big league debut with seven strong innings. In an ironic twist, two of the hits came from the starting pitchers. “If you think about it, we didn’t get a lot of hits off their starter,” Girardi said. “(Whitley) got one of them, and they didn’t get a lot of hits, but their starter got one of them. It was a quite a day.”

• Girardi replaced Derek Jeter with Brendan Ryan at short in the eighth, but he said that was strictly because he wanted to make the double-switch so that he could allow Robertson to pitch the ninth without making him hit in the top half of the inning. Of course, most jumped to the conclusion that he was replacing Jeter for defensive purposes. (Which very well may have been the case, but he had a perfect built-in excuse.) “If I don’t, they probably walk Solarte and then I have to make a decision on, do I let Robertson hit or not? I knew he had to go multiple innings,” Girardi said. “I just told (Jeter), ‘I’m going to make a double-switch. It’s where we are in the lineup.’ He understands.”

• Final word goes to Betances. It really is pretty cool to think that he grew up in the Bronx rooting for the Yankees. You can just tell that he has a certain understanding and appreciation for what it means to be a Yankee. And after all of his command issues that kept him toiling in the minors and switching roles, he finally seems to have found himself. “It’s night and day,” he said when asked to compare himself to where he was two years ago. “For me, it’s just confidence. Being able to go out there and just trusting your stuff. Trusting the catcher, and just make pitches. In 2012 I was in the minors, and in 2014, I’m here in the big leagues for Derek Jeter’s last year. I mean, it can’t get any better than that. I’m just enjoying each and every moment, and I thank the Lord for allowing me to here each and every day.”

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402 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He’s continued to grow in front of us””

  1. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    Re-post:

    bigdan, I also think Warren could be “fine” as a starter, I think Betances could be better.

    I’m not saying Warren should not start, but if it’s only one it should be Betances.

    —–

    I hear you. But I think it’s a false choice. There is zero chance that Betances will be moved from the bullpen this year because no one associated with the Yanks wants it to happen. I can’t rule out a change in thinking in the off season but I think even then the chances are remote. I also believe the chances of Warren getting a start this year are small. On the other hand, I think there’s a very good chance Warren will be looked at as a possible starter next Spring. It’s more likely Betances will be regarded as a closer next spring than a starter. Much much more likely

  2. ScottinSJ May 16th, 2014 at 12:00 am

    Repost and goodnight:

    I’ll leave with a proposed lineup alluded to by bigdan. It’s definitely an improvement.

    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Tex
    Soriano
    Solarte
    Almonte
    McCann/Murphy
    Jeter
    Roberts

  3. bbb51 May 16th, 2014 at 12:02 am

    We had Dellin where we knew that he was going to throw multiple innings at some point in this game.

    Yeah, multiple innings. :roll:

  4. johnfish May 16th, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Of course, most jumped to the conclusion that he was replacing Jeter for defensive purposes. (Which very well may have been the case, but he had a perfect built-in excuse.)
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Dream on Jeter wasn’t, & won’t be pulled for defensive purposes.

  5. bigdan22 May 16th, 2014 at 12:05 am

    One other thing about Betances today. His performance was reminiscent of a performance by Rivera against the Twins in 1996. Rivera came in with the bases loaded and proceeded to strike out the side on nine pitches. Tom Kelly the Twins manager after the game said that Rivera belonged in a different league.

  6. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 12:12 am

    “Yeah, multiple innings”

    Good catch….. that’s funny.

    I mean there is something to shortening the game dramatically, and with Drob, Betances and even Warren, the Yankees can really do that. So I do understand and beleive that argument is compelling.

    But they are in need of a starter and they have a potentially really good, game changing one, right under their nose.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2014 at 12:12 am

    I also don’t dismiss that it is entirely possible that the Yankees privately will consider reconverting Betances to starting.

    The organization was reportedly split on this decision; wasn’t the slam dunk all you “oh, of course he’s a born reliever” people assume it was.

    If they had such a plan for the future, they certainly would not make it known. This BP thing might, to their thinking, be a springboard to an eventual return to the rotation for him. Probably wouldn’t do it this season, although they actually have a need to do it this season, but when you have a manager who is content to use a “B” reliever in Game 2 of a best-of-five playoff series like it’s a game in the middle of June, instead of your two rested “A” arms, then you realize that actual need doesn’t hold all that much sway with these guys.

    I don’t dismiss that they actually don’t necessarily privately think that he’s a no-looking-back BP arm for life.

    Any way, good win.

    And Freddy – yes! I’m ver concerned about Pineda’s health.

  8. say NO to Cano May 16th, 2014 at 12:21 am

    Its a rotten experience with yourself to wake up the next day and know you’ve upset another.

    Unfortunately, he doesn’t feel the same way. He derides anyone that he dislikes. How can you claim that a person that constantly bullies other people “holds out for the good in others?”

    It’s your right to be a good person and feel bad that you may have made him feel a certain way, but it’s my duty to inform you of the kind of person that he is.

    Cheers, jmills.

  9. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 12:22 am

    Good night everyone.

    And BTW jmills you’re a good man, and are always a good blog friend to everyone. Don’t you think otherwise.

  10. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 12:30 am

    The only “duty” you have is to to yourself, and getting over your obsessions. It’s not helpful to anyone, but its especially not helpful to yourself.

  11. Pat M. May 16th, 2014 at 12:35 am

    BigDan22……My first realization that Rivera was special was Game 2 and then Game 3 in the 1995 ALDS vs. Seattle. And of course The Tom Kelly quote …..He virtually came out of nowhere in October 1995 to become this major force from that moment forward…..

  12. pete22 May 16th, 2014 at 12:39 am

    With the cost of starting pitching and the fact the Yankees will have multiple spots to fill and a budget made even more limited due to Arods return they have no choice but to consider Betances for the rotation next year. RP’ers are just so much cheaper commodities nowadays, so he is cheaper to replace in the pen than getting another pitcher on the FA market

    Probably not going to happen this year unless CC or Pineda end up on the shelf for most of the season.

    bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    Now trying to trade McCann. That wouldn’t be easy.

    ====================

    That’s the problem, so many NTC’s. Tex, Soriano, Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury, Arod, CC all have NTC,

  13. Hankflorida May 16th, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Whitley kept the ball down and got a great many ground balls. They were discussing this on the MLB Network that his pitches were between the belt and the knees. If he can continue to pitch like this with his sinker, he is in Nova territory with less velocity. He even got David Wright swinging at some pitches that looked like strikes but dropped down. Whitley’s sinker is his version of Tanaka’s splitter. Since this was his first start, we do not know if he can continue to get ground balls by keeping his pitches down, but I know that Nuno and Phelps even against Anaheim when they pitched well were getting most of the balls hit in the air. My question is was Whitley mainly a ground ball pitcher in the minors or was this game a fluke?

  14. WT2 May 16th, 2014 at 12:54 am

    Hi guys,

    I am on vacation so I don’t have much time to post.

    I was able to go back in time to watch Betances make the Mets look like Class A kids.

    I was trying to get up to speed in the Betances discussion. It seems we are back to the same thing we went through with Joba.

    I will say this, I was afraid of this happening. It was just a matter of time. His stuff is ridiculous, it has always been. And the funny thing is that he is yet to throw his change up, which is a plus pitch and for some reason the Yankees took it away from him.

    Betances’ issue was never his stuff, it was inconsistent mechanics created by his pitching windup. A bunch of scouts recommended the Yankees to have him pitch from the stretch to eliminate these mechanic issues since 2011, so it’s not like the Yankees made the discovery here.

    Knowing that, the argument of people thinking he will not be able to keep his mechanics for more than 2 innings is simply illogical.

    Dellin is not a 2 pitch pitcher, he is a 4 pitch pitcher.

    To me the only real argument against the Yankees trying him as a starter again is his mental state, and what he is really comfortable with.

    But in reality, a pitcher like him with his ridiculous stuff should will never have any problem going back to the pen if starting doesn’t work.

  15. michaellord6 May 16th, 2014 at 1:04 am

    On Betances…

    I’d rather Mariano Rivera than El Duque- but it’s more complicated than that. If the Yankees keep DRob, they should seriously consider making Bet a starter. If DRob walks, Bet should be the next closer.

    I hope we keep DRob. A lot. He’s great. I also love using Bet in the role he was used in tonight. Bring him in during the game in tough situations and let him get out of them. He can go multiple innings and really shorten a game.

    Ideally, I would keep Bet in the pen. If starter is a huge need (next year) I may think otherwise. This year, I don’t want them changing him. They need to win games and Bet going to AAA for a month to stretch out would cost the Yankees wins.

  16. WT2 May 16th, 2014 at 1:06 am

    One last thing. I understand the need for most pitchers to eliminate 1-2 pitches from their repertoire and stay as a 2 pitch pitcher when they are in the pen.

    But Betances CU was nasty, it wasn’t just an average pitch. It was an actual strike out pitch.

    I have been trying to find videos of it, because I saw it myself and thought it was simply unfair.

    A guy with crazy stuff who throws high 90s with a mid-high 80s strike up CU don’t go in trees.

    You add that back to his repertoire even if he stays in the pen and you got 1996s Mo back from the pen.

    Even if he doesn’t throw that CU much, the fact of having it makes hitters not sit in his FB/CB combo.

    Regardless, the genie is out of the bottle, and worse case scenario Betances should be pitching in the 7&8 inning like Mo used to do early in his career.

  17. pete22 May 16th, 2014 at 1:08 am

    Hank. I would not read too much into 1 game. Pitchers have the advantage the first time around, as hitters don’t know them very well and they probably don’t even have video, The Mets also were the 29th team in OPS coming into this series. I know it didn’t seem so after the first 2 games.

    The kid pitched a good game. got tired after 50 pitches. Spent most of his minor league career as a RP’er so his endurance probably not great yet. Next start is against the Cubs, so no real test there either. Who knows, if he can keep the ball on the ground and go a bit longer he might be something

  18. Hankflorida May 16th, 2014 at 1:32 am

    The kid pitched a good game. got tired after 50 pitches. Spent most of his minor league career as a RP’er so his endurance probably not great yet. Next start is against the Cubs, so no real test there either. Who knows, if he can keep the ball on the ground and go a bit longer he might be something

    Pete, this is why I asked the question if Whitley was primarily a sinker ball pitcher or was this game a fluke? The Mets kept hitting mostly grounders mixed it with the commentators saying that the Mets had to get him to throw higher or they would be trouble which got me thinking about what kind of a pitcher he was. I was always drawn to the sinker ball pitchers at the Stadium even when their velocity was nothing to write home about as that were the pitchers that I grew up with.

  19. UnKnown May 16th, 2014 at 1:53 am

    Breaking – - Mike Trout is a really good baseball player. Walk Off USA. Take that Maddon. :grin:

  20. pete22 May 16th, 2014 at 2:11 am

    hank- I don’t know much about him really except his basic minor league stats.

    Mets were chasing balls down and out of the zone the entire 2 game series, and Whitley kept it down. I think most pitchers try to stay down in the zone but not everyone can do it consistently

    The Mets have the worst home OPS in all of baseball (597), so I just don’t see this game as telling us much

    I do agree GB pitchers in the stadium are a good thing.

  21. pete22 May 16th, 2014 at 2:16 am

    UnKnown May 16th, 2014 at 1:53 am

    Breaking – – Mike Trout is a really good baseball player. Walk Off USA. Take that Maddon. :grin:
    =====================

    Rays have no pitching so I have stopped caring much about how they do. They are not in the running for the division anymore. Trouts had a bad case of big contractitis, maybe this is a sign he is out of his funk, but they don’t play anyone that matters to us for awhile.

    Red Sox also lost by walkoff

  22. PhiltheThrill May 16th, 2014 at 2:23 am

    PitchFX showed Whitley getting squeezed for both fifth inning walks.

  23. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 6:25 am

    Good morning.

    Whitley did an excellent job but Dellin was spectacular.

    His stuff was never in question only the control.

    He seems to have found it by simplifying things.

    He is a real weapon now.

    If D-Rob leaves we may have found our next closer.

  24. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 6:42 am

    On Whitley.

    His CU is definitely +.

    Though a straight change it’s action is very splitter-like.

    He commands it well and has excellent deception w it.

    On the shift.

    Rizzo showed the way yesterday by bunting for 2 hits.

    McCann almost laid down a nice one 2.

    I think the shift will ultimately force guys to become more complete hitters by forcing them to use more of the field in their approach.

    I have always thought the shift was relatively easy to defeat for a decent hitter.

    Every ML player should be able to lay down a bunt when necessary.

    It’s a shame so many can’t or won’t.

    On pitching in general.

    All these arm injuries will force guys to become better pitchers.

    Greinke admitted he will not be using his slider as much.

    Guys will be forced to reconsider the stresses and the effect throwing 95+ and hard siders have on the arm.

    Apologies for the long post.

  25. GregD May 16th, 2014 at 6:43 am

    Whitley showed a good two seamer and his change up was a special pitch…….it drops like a fork ball and gives him a chance to be a good starter…..if he can stay down in the zone…..he can help us, of course he has to build up his stamina to go longer………I think he burnt a lot of nervous energy last night being it was his debut…….

  26. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 6:46 am

    MTU

    I got up extra early so I could say hello before you go!

    That was some pitching performance last night!

    The offense wasn’t there, and sorry Jeter, you are hitting into too many DP’s and not plating runners in scoring position to stay in the 2 hole.

    Also like the chemistry in the dugout. The team was having a good time watching Whitley do his job.

  27. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 6:51 am

    YT-

    Always good to see you round.

    Excellent job for sure.

    Citifield is pitcher friendly.

    Big park.

    Due to the injuries lot’s of young guys are getting a chance.

    They have come up together.

    Opportunities abound.

    It’s up to them to seize the chance.

    I truly enjoy watching guys like Tanaka, Solarte, Murphy, etc.

    Definitely gives some hope for the future.

  28. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 6:54 am

    And Texeira looks terrific.

    :)

  29. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 6:54 am

    Dwight Gooden on the rise in TJ surgeries:

    Gooden said he has two theories:

    “Usually you establish your fastball in the count. Now you’re seeing guys who are throwing 95 to 98, and the second pitch of the game they’re throwing curveballs. The toughest pitch to hit is a well-located fastball. I think a big part of it has to do with scouting reports, where pitchers are pitching defensively instead of attacking them. Establish your fastball and then work in offspeed stuff. … Pitchers are giving hitters way too much credit.

    “Secondly, some of these pitchers, with the pitch counts and inning limits, it slows down a lot of these guys’ development. Instead of shutting them down, let them just go. As far as pitch counts, if he’s throwing well, and he throws 120 pitches, that’s fine. It takes more out of your arm when you are throwing with men in scoring position, second and third, constantly, because you have to throw a little harder and tense up even more than a person throwing 120 who has a lot of strikeouts and foul balls.”

    How did Gooden avoid the need for Tommy John surgery?

    “I was lucky,” he said. “My mechanics were good. My dad taught me at an early age about mechanics. I stayed away from heavy weights, upper body. I did a lot of leg work, lot of sprints. Basically just listen to my body. If I felt good, I continued to throw. If I didn’t feel good, I didn’t.”

    More:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....y=news_nyy

  30. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 6:58 am

    YT-

    Stop bulking up.

    Stretching and yoga.

    Strengthen the legs and throw with the whole body.

    Cross train.

    Do lots of long toss.

  31. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 6:59 am

    “Knowing that, the argument of people thinking he will not be able to keep his mechanics for more than 2 innings is simply illogical.”

    Good posts WT2. You are not alone in your sentiments. J ALfred and YF and a few others have been saying the same things for quite some time.

    I totally agree about the mechanics issue. The failed starter argument is not a good one.

    The only argument I can see that makes sense is with Dellin, Drob and Warren you have the ability to shorten the game to 7 or even 6 plus innings. That is incredibly important as well and can’t be lightly discounted. But injuries have made this question moot IMO

    So due to the fact that they are short good starters, and my belief that having good starters trumps having a good pen, making him a starter again is a no brainer for me.

    A one two punch of Tank and Dellin could be enough to win most Post season series in baseball. Not to mention how incredibly exciting it would be watch as Yankee fans.

  32. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 7:03 am

    Tar-

    JMO but for now I see how Pineda does and keep building Dellin’s confidence.

    If Pineda continues to have trouble maybe you swap the 2.

    Right now Dellin reminds me of a better version of Burnett.

    Key difference being that Betances has 3 plus pitches as opposed to just 2.

    ;)

  33. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:03 am

    MTU

    Just tell people, ” Don’t let your kids grow up to be- Pitchers!” And if they do, let them become knuckle ball pitchers.

    On the state of the need for TJ surgery, I won’t be surprised, once there is more information from studies, that partial UCL tears will be handled with stem cells/PRP and give the player time to regenerate new tissue. It seems there is a rise in the need for repeat TJ?

  34. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 7:07 am

    The one thing Pineda has over Dellin right now is command as a SP.

    If the scales tip Betances definitely needs to be considered.

    I think the Yankees might bust a move for an experienced arm at the deadline.

    Beltran is headed for surgery.

    Gonna take a while to get CC back.

    I can see Warren getting a shot before Betances.

    We have plenty of relievers in the minors.

  35. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 7:09 am

    YT-

    Non-invasive means would be a boon.

    Thought TJS is very successful it is not a panacea.

  36. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:09 am

    I could be on board with Betances in the starting rotation. Would he pitch from the stretch?

    This could be the top 3 in the starting rotation:

    Good night, good bye Tanaka
    Dealing No Chance Betances
    If I Only Had A Brain Pineda

  37. MTU May 16th, 2014 at 7:11 am

    YT-

    Very nice dream.

    I have to get going.

    Good to see you.

    I’ll check back when I can.

  38. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:12 am

    MTU

    Chin up. Always a pleasure to see you around. take care

  39. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:14 am

    Oh, I agree, Beltran is headed for surgery. In fact I wonder if these loose bodies were present when he signed his new contract?

  40. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:18 am

    Found this:

    While the Yankees have won 18 straight when allowing three or fewer runs, they are 3-18 when yielding at least four. New York hasn’t put together three consecutive shutouts since June 6-8, 1962.

  41. Doreen May 16th, 2014 at 7:22 am

    I see Dellin’s command as having improved a great deal since just the beginning of this season. It looks to me that he has no lingering doubts about whether he can get the job done. He was outstanding last night. Made people giddy watching him. And he was economical with his pitch count while striking out 6 batters. I think that’s hat the Yankees have been waiting to see.

    I can’t pretend to know exactly what either side is thinking. But you have to think that right now they are hoping both CC and Pineda make it back and are effective. In which case, I suppose it’s not prudent to move Betances (or anyone) temporarily into the rotation from the bullpen, and then go back. They could, but it appears that would be a last resort.

    A back end of the bullpen with a dominant Betances, DRob, Warren and even Kelly, is a good one that will shorten games. Important to a pitching staff where you’re down to one pitcher at the moment who can go deep in a game.

    If Betances continues to improve on his efficiency, then I think it becomes more of an issue to try him as a starter at the ML level. What the Yankees do not need is a guy who will only go 5 innings due to pitch count, regardless of whether they can hit him or not. Because that leaves 4 innings to a bullpen that would be weakened by Betances’ absence from it.

    More important right now though is getting some more consistent offense.

  42. Doreen May 16th, 2014 at 7:27 am

    I think Betances would pitch from the stretch as a starter, since that us what has seemed to keep his mechanics steadier.

    Didn’t they say Whitley was pitching fom the stretch as a starter last night?

    One last thing. I seem to remember earlier in the season someone wittier itin that Rothschild was having Dellin throw all his pitches in the bullpen (though not, obviously, necessarily in a game). I wonder If he is still doing that.

  43. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:29 am

    “blake, weather, bad defense, pitch selection, etc. are all qualifiers/factors regarding how someone pitches. Those were conditions, relevant details to share, and not disclaimers. So, stop right there. He was plenty good in spite of the above in 2010, and 2011 and last year before they converted him. If that was all just BS, then he wouldn’t be pitching in the majors. Try going to some minor league games in April in NJ btw and you will freeze your butt off, and good luck pitching in front of that 2010-2012 Trenton infield D. Sorry, but you in this case, you really don’t know what you are talking about.”

    First…..nothing I said was pointed at you or any other poster and this is all just opinion so don’t take it personally.

    2nd…..all those qualifying factors mentioned are things that every pitcher has to deal with so it’s not like Dellin Betances is the only prospect behind the 8 ball when it comes to things like that in the minors.

    I have been saying literally for years that I didn’t think Betances was a starter because I don’t think he’s athletic enough to keep his big frame and delivery In sync consistently enough to start……this is nothing new.

    I haven’t been to see Betances in person but I’ve watched him pitch on TV a lot and my opinion is based on both what I’ve seen and just the objective data over his minor league career…….

    Sorry but based on the evidence it doesn’t look like I’m wrong…..guy struggles for years trying to start and immediately becomes a monster like immediately after moving to the pen…….lets not overthink this…..he’s a reliever…..lets be happy it looks like he might be a great one

  44. Madrugador May 16th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    Vince-
    I think you mean second back to back shut outs this year. April 16th double header against the Cubs 3-0/2-0.

    Whitley did a good job last night and should get another start but that was a small sample size so you can’t get too excited. Have to wonder why with all the loses to the starting rotation, Warren isn’t getting a shot to start. He came up as a starter and is now in the pen. Whitley came up as a reliever and is now in the rotation.

  45. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:32 am

    Good morning

    Whitley was pitching from the stretch.

    Tex has been a revelation. He has found a way to hit them where they “ain’t” against the shift.

  46. pkyankfan69 May 16th, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Dellin was in full beast mode last night… That was a blast to watch.

    In other news, the really slow front seems to have picked up the pace recently… I would not be shocked if the rain was close to moving out of the city around game time or a little after. Of course, even in that case, they could just play a DHer either day this weekend when the weather will be gorgeous.

  47. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:35 am

    Knowing that, the argument of people thinking he will not be able to keep his mechanics for more than 2 innings is simply illogical.”

    I disagree and it’s not just that it’s doing it for 7 innings for 32 starts ……he’s locked in right now but even this year we have seen him have nights where the control and command haven’t been there. As a reliever it’s not a huge issue because he can just air it out at 97 and hitters don’t have time to make adjustments…….and they can just take him out if he doesn’t have it that night/….as a starter things are much more complex……he has to hold things together much longer and he has to make adjustments in game if something isn’t working ……

    As I said last night…..if they decide to stretch him out I won’t be upset…..I’ll be intrigued……but I wouldn’t mess with him ….I think he’s found a home at the back of the bullpen and Id leave him right there to dominate

  48. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    Sorry but based on the evidence it doesn’t look like I’m wrong”

    Exactly what “evidence” are you talking about.

    What stat line can you show me that proves that he is a failed starter, and not just a developing one who after pitching from the stretch became lights out?

  49. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong. Warren still uses four pitches. Why limit a relief pitcher to one or two pitches, allowing the hitter to guess right more often, in knowing what to expect?

    And Mo was an aberration

  50. Doreen May 16th, 2014 at 7:40 am

    My daughter is scheduled to go to the game tonight, so I hope the weather cooperates in whatever way it needs to! :). Especially since she would not be able to go to a make-up game this weekend.

  51. Doreen May 16th, 2014 at 7:41 am

    Yankee Trader, they says a couple of times last night that Warren uses all of his pitches in relief. So I’m not sure why Betances shouldn’t be allowed to.

  52. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Nuno, Phelps and Kelley all have higher walk totals.

  53. RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    Let any starter conversion ideas happen in the offseason. Leave Dellin were he is, enjoying success.

  54. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    “Exactly what “evidence” are you talking about.”

    Sorry to answer a question with a question but what evidence can you show that he isn’t a failed starter?

    An era right at 4 in the minors and a WHIP near 1.4 …..in addition of 8 years of development without makin the majors?

    I knew this woukd happen if he did well as a reliever…..Betances himself has said he likes being a reliever!

    I don’t like turning this into a snarky argument…..it’s just my opinion guys…..and it’s one I’ve held for a long time. If the yanks decide to try him as a starter again and he’s great then I’ll be happy and waving Pom poms……I just personally don’t think it’s a good idea

  55. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    I agree with Doreen’s 7:22 post. To me it has always been about self confidence with DB.

    Which is growing with every outing, I don’t doubt he could be as effective out of the rotation the talent is there but in my opinion considering the current circumstances it’s best to wait until next spring to stretch him out. Let’s not Joba the kid, mess with a good thing the kid who has finally figured it out, let him continue to build on it for 2014.

    So happy for DB and for us! Shutting out the Mets the last two games was a pleasure to watch. I’ve saw enough of “I wish I was still a Yankee” Granderson’s act the first two games.

  56. RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 7:48 am

    I remember when the Red Sox tried to turn Daniel Bard into a starter. They turned a valuable asset into garbage, and he wasn’t the same again.

  57. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    RadioKev says:
    May 16, 2014 at 7:48 am
    I remember when the Red Sox tried to turn Daniel Bard into a starter. They turned a valuable asset into garbage, and he wasn’t the same again.

    This is exactly what I’m afraid of……he was a really good reliever…..then they messed with him and now he can’t do anything…..I know folks don’t want to see it but there IS risk when you do things like that……sometimes I think bein content with what you have is ok ……especially when you tried for so long to go the other direction without success

  58. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    “Sorry to answer a question with a question but what evidence can you show that he isn’t a failed starter?”

    The evidence was apparent last night. The “failed starter” argument is based on one thing only….. his walk totals. What makes you think he hasn’t figured that out?

  59. RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    “What makes you think he hasn’t figured that out?”

    What makes you think his bullpen approach is sustainable throughout 6 innings?

  60. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    “The evidence was apparent last night. The “failed starter” argument is based on one thing only….. his walk totals. What makes you think he hasn’t figured that out?”

    He’s walking 3.6 per 9 this year as a reliever……that’s not good as a starter. And it’s apples to oranges anyway because he’s not starting……it think he can control the walks enough to be fine as a relief pitcher……but starting is a different animal and things can snowball.

  61. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    I think all of us agree that for this season, don’t even tell the kid you might convert him back to a starter in the offseason. If he feels most confident now, he should stay in the BP, and be allowed to pitch in more demanding roles, because who knows if DRob will be brought back.

  62. RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    I would be pretty upset if they passed on Robertson. I really don’t want to consider being without him next season.

  63. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 7:59 am

    “What makes you think his bullpen approach is sustainable throughout 6 innings?”

    Well Joe apparently thinks Dellin can go “multiple innings” So is their some BB cliff that Dellin is going to fall off between “multiple” and 6 innings? Just when is that supposed to happen?

    “We had Dellin where we knew that he was going to throw multiple innings at some point in this game.”

    Joe Girardi

  64. blake May 16th, 2014 at 7:59 am

    Why don’t the braves stretch Kimbrel out? Why don’t the royals stretch holland out? They can dominate for an inning or two…..why not 7?

    When you see Betances do what he did to the mets last night I understand the allure to wanting to see more of that……I’m just not sure you’d actually be seeing more of “that” as a starter…..

  65. RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    Tar,

    I don’t know. The difference between Rivera as a starter and a two inning reliever?

    I’m not saying he wouldn’t hold up over multiple innings and be this dominant, but I am saying that we can’t know that. It is a risk.

  66. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    The Beltran news sucks…..I wish he’d go ahead and have the surgery today. Get it fixed and get back in the 2nd half…….sign Morales in the meantime

  67. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    When is this pitcher a free agent?

    Cueto makes history

    Johnny Cueto struck out eight and allowed only three hits and two walks in a complete-game shutout against the Padres in the Reds’ 5-0 victory on Wednesday in Game 1 of a doubleheader. Cueto became the first pitcher in 105 years to begin a season with nine consecutive starts in which he lasted seven or more innings while allowing two or fewer runs.

    The last pitcher to open a campaign with eight starts of at least seven innings with two or fewer runs allowed was Harry Krause of the Philadelphia A’s in 1909.

  68. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Why mess with a good thing? With an arm like that out of the pen we can pretty much neutralize any offense in baseball.

    How many times/innings a week can we rely on him?

    I happen to think the current state of this ball club, where he is, from a developmental standpoint, all things considered, his growth, value to the team, stabilizing the back end of the pen is the best place for him and the Yankees in 2014.

    Let the kid continue to grow. Let him face the Tigers and some of the better hitters in baseball piece meal. The possibility of a switch back to the rotation is better left to debate next winter.

  69. Against All Odds May 16th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    RadioKev May 16th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    I would be pretty upset if they passed on Robertson. I really don’t want to consider being without him next season
    —————-

    Yea I think it would be a little early to turn the closer role over the Dellin next yr. He has alone been a reliever for a yr or so.

  70. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    To have a really good chance to win in the post season you need more than 1 good starting pitcher.

    The thought of Tank, Dellin, Kuroda/Pineda in a Post Season match up is just too alluring for me to just accept the “he’s a failed starter” argument.

    Perhaps as JF pointed out last night…. he’s not a failed starter, he’s a developed Yankee SP prospect.

  71. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Passing on Robertson would be a hugh blunder. Look at the success we’ve had filling roles out of the pen through free agency.

    We usually pick up studs like Thornton more than not.

  72. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    “That offseason, the Yankees sent Betances to the Arizona Fall League to pitch out of the bullpen. From there, Betances felt great, mixing fastballs with the slurve. He eventually ended up in the Scranton bullpen in 2013 and has been lights out ever since. ”

    @AndrewMarchand: Dellin’s rise only came after the fall http://t.co/3mJV8x7nfp

    He was so frustrated as a starter that he wants a to quit baseball!

  73. Madrugador May 16th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Harry Krause of the Philadelphia A’s in 1909-how did you get that reference?

  74. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    I don’t see the risk in trying him as a starter, except that you weaken your pen in the short term. I don’t but that you will damage his career by trying him as a starter again.

    “The possibility of a switch back to the rotation is better left to debate next winter.”

    I would agree but feel that injuries have moved up the timetable.

  75. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Kendrys Morales is a Shift Magnate.

    In the 2012 July article fromUSA Today Sports Weekly, Baseball Info Solutions, the same group that was cited by Chad on a recent thread about ” The Shift,” Morales, who was an Angel at the time, had gone 4 for 31 on grounders hit into the shift(that’s hits), and 19 for 70 without. That was at the time the article was written. Granderson was worse.

  76. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Tar

    Playing devil’s advocate who replaces DB out of the pen if he is moved to the rotation and gives you 6 innings?

  77. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    “I don’t see the risk in trying him as a starter, except that you weaken your pen in the short term. I don’t but that you will damage his career by trying him as a starter again.”

    Tell that to Daniel Bard. Read that Marshand article…..I don’t even think he’d want to start again

  78. Yankee Trader May 16th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Madrugador

    Here’s the source

    http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20.....eto-record

  79. Tar May 16th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    RIB

    I have to run for awhile, but The pen is much easier to find pieces for than SP are.

    Don’t get me wrong I really do like shortening the game.

    Have to run

    Have a good day everyone.

    Blake read it later

  80. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    We can debate this as we did Joba untilwe’re blue in the face, but bottom line is I highly doubt DB will be switched from the pen this season.

    He’s just become too much of a comfort blanket for Girardi in tough situations.

  81. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:22 am

    Later Tar

  82. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    “I have to run for awhile, but The pen is much easier to find pieces for than SP are.”

    that’s true in general…..but when you break it down to the specifics…..it’s not harder to find a mediocre starter than a dominant back end reliever…….I mean it’s a lot easier to find Daniel Cabrera’s than it is to find Mariano Rivera’s……not that that’s an exact comp for what we have going on here…..but point is that sometimes a guy is more valuable being great at one thing than just being or even bad at another.

  83. pat May 16th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    Blake

    re: Austin Jackson……..

    “They know little of his love for any fresh fish a menu might offer. Or his rapidly emerging cooking skills, thanks, in part to the Green Egg grill his father, Albert, talked him into buying and utilizing, with particular flair for cedar plank salmon”

    http://www.detroitnews.com/art.....z31sgPZEJ0

  84. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    “The pen is much easier to find pieces for than SP are.”

    We would have to look long and hard to another arm to replace the type of production the Yankees are currently getting out of DB. Not happening.

  85. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    I think the Joba comp doesn’t hold for a lot of reasons.

    First….Joba was always originally just going to the pen temporarily for the playoffs and stretch run of that season…..he was a starter and a successful starter prior to that in the minors (for the little time he was there) and they had planned to always convert him back after the season……of course he was so good as a reliever that it sparked debate about doing that and after he struggled somewhat as a starter the debate only grew and led to a lot of flip flopping…..but Joba was never made a reliever originally because of performance…..he had a very brief minor league career and then was rushed to the big leagues.

    Betances’s story is totally different……he’s always been a starter and they have tried to make him a starter for a very long time…..with some peaks but a lot more valleys along the way……he wanted to quit baseball and apparently asked them to send him back to Tampa from SWB at one point…..so he was made a reliever because he wasn’t performing as a starter. Now that he is performing as a reliever (and he did immedicately)……we want to move him back to starting? Doesn’t make sense to me……

  86. Tackelberry May 16th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    I agree that Warren is the more likely choice to move into the rotation simply because he uses all 4 of his pitches. Dellin has been using strictly his fastball and curve. Don’t know the last time he used his CU, though it was regarded as a plus pitch. Anyway, he is having success there now. Leave him where he is.

  87. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    “re: Austin Jackson……..

    “They know little of his love for any fresh fish a menu might offer. Or his rapidly emerging cooking skills, thanks, in part to the Green Egg grill his father, Albert, talked him into buying and utilizing, with particular flair for cedar plank salmon”

    http://www.detroitnews.com/art…..z31sgPZEJ0″

    WORST TRADE EVER

  88. RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    blake

    My Joba comparison is more of a concern about changing rolls with the kid during the season. I really do no like the idea at all.

  89. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    the egg does make a mean salmon…..I haven’t done it in awhile but it’s great.

  90. blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    “My Joba comparison is more of a concern about changing rolls with the kid during the season. I really do no like the idea at all.”

    Yea I understand….I wasn’t even relating it to you ….I’ve just heard Joba mentioned a lot with regards to this debate.

  91. Madrugador May 16th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    YT-
    Thanks for the reference. I thought perhaps you had a searchable data set.

  92. austinmac May 16th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    The weather looks really ugly for tonight. I hate rain outs.

  93. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    I hate this delay with Beltran… just get them removed and start rehabbing.

  94. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    “I hate this delay with Beltran… just get them removed and start rehabbing.”

    I don’t get it either…..they do this all the time though. I’d rather have the 2 weeks of him healthy after the surgery than the 2 weeks he’s wasting right now……get it done….get it right and come back in the 2nd half.

    Beltran is a great asset when he healthy like he was early in the year……he’s useless not healthy because he can’t play defense

  95. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    on a different not with Betances…..if they are gonna keep him a reliever then at some point dont they have to start limiting him to 1 inning or at least reduce his multiple inning appearances? I mean it’s nice to use him for 2 or more innings in that one game……but then you can’t use him again for a few days. If he’s gonna be a reliever then pretty soon I’d just ease him into the set up role……you don’t have to really call it that but the idea is you want him available every day….or most days…..you don’t want to use him a lot one game and then have him unavailable for the next two games…..

  96. Madrugador May 16th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    “The high success rate for Tommy John surgery (approximately 80 percent), as defined by return to play for at least one game at the same level or higher, has been well-documented. However, data presented at the 2014 American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons meeting in New Orleans suggests that this number may be misleading. When return-to-play numbers are further stratified to evaluate whether pitchers are able to return to established competition (more than 10 games per season), the success rate drops to 67 percent.”

    “Fernandez joins growing list of arm injuries”
    May, 13, 2014
    May 13
    3:10
    PM ET
    By Stephania Bell | ESPN.com

    Sure hope Nova is one of the 67%.

  97. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Beltran is a great asset when he healthy like he was early in the year……he’s useless not healthy because he can’t play defense

    ————-

    Exactly, which is why I don’t understand this approach. A Beltran that ‘cant swing a bat right now’ has no value. If he re-aggravates this mid season (likely), you’ve now lost him for a more critical part of the year.

  98. 86w183 May 16th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    Good morning all —

    I think it’s healthier for the pitcher to pitch two innings 50 X than 1 1/3 innings 80 X.

    Betances will pitch longer stints this year and will be the closer next year. Warren and Kelly will remain in the 7th/8th inning type role this year and next.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    Whitley looked very good to me. He threw an inning for Scranton a few days ago and that’s why his pitch count was limited. An inning of competition as a lot more stressful than throwing on the side.

  99. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    “I think it’s healthier for the pitcher to pitch two innings 50 X than 1 1/3 innings 80 X.”

    I could see that being true…..but with regards to value I’d rather have them pitch in 80 games than 50…..that’s 30 games less that they are impacting.

  100. 86w183 May 16th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Bone spurs have to be shaved down ASAP. Not only is it an impingement on the ligament and/or nerve, it also will do “fraying” type damage. No reason at all to wait.

    Disappointing that Almonte’s first AB was as a RH pinch hitter.

  101. Tackelberry May 16th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I think they’ll resign Robertson.

  102. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    “Whitley looked very good to me”

    I was impressed….he looked for real and his stuff looks like it could be successful….he throws strikes and has a good CU……his arm action reminds me of somebody and I just can’t put my finger on who it is…….but I liked what I saw.

  103. Tackelberry May 16th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Interesting article talking about a Gary Sanchez-Joc Pederson swap. Makes sense for both sides.

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....rson-swap/

  104. Madrugador May 16th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Any concern that 80 appearances in one season leaves you with Scott Proctor?

  105. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    “I think they’ll resign Robertson.”

    I’d like for them to…..Drob and Betances could be the back end of the pen for a long time potentially…..

  106. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    “Interesting article talking about a Gary Sanchez-Joc Pederson swap. Makes sense for both sides.

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar…..rson-swap/”

    isn’t pederson basically another Gardner/Ellsbury type? I’d rather try to get infield or pitching help if they trade Sanchez……

  107. blake May 16th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    I think the Dodgers will try to trade Crawford and Ethier at some point and make their furture OF Kemp, Pederson, Puig……I don’t see that trade with the Yanks happening. They don’t need another LH hitting CFer

  108. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Whitley looked better than I expected even if it was against the Mets.

    The thing I liked (I use this term loosely) was that the Yanks basically made him walk a tightrope with the offense not doing a damn thing. So I felt like we saw how he’d work under pressure.

  109. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    :arrow:

  110. 86w183 May 16th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Pederson has a lot more power than Ellsbury or Gardner.

    He already has 13 HR this year.. hit 22 HR last year and 18 the year before that.

    Problem is he’s a LH hitter.

  111. longtimefan May 16th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Saw Betances pitch several times for the Railriders as both a starter and reliever, he seems much more relaxed and confident as a reliever and certainly has the potential to become one of the best relievers in the game, lets be happy with that!

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    blake May 16th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    “That offseason, the Yankees sent Betances to the Arizona Fall League to pitch out of the bullpen. From there, Betances felt great, mixing fastballs with the slurve. He eventually ended up in the Scranton bullpen in 2013 and has been lights out ever since. ”

    @AndrewMarchand: Dellin’s rise only came after the fall http://t.co/3mJV8x7nfp

    He was so frustrated as a starter that he wants a to quit baseball!
    ///

    If we’re going to go by what he said, he said – AFTER the Arizona Fall League experience – that he was disappointed they decided to switch him to the pen, because “I felt I started to figure things out as a starter.”

    It’s fairly simple: the guy felt freed by the SHORTER STRIDE and changed mechanics, and even Michael Kay said on a broadcast last week “Dellin Betances hopes to return to starting someday.”

    Hardly buys into the idea that he sees himself as a “failed starter.”

    He also said at one point that he was “getting too much information” from “different people,” and was getting confused. Again – this was before they shortened his stride. He has also said he had to “get used to” the new mechanics and that it wasn’t “going to happen overnight.”

    These are all from Pinstripes Plus, which I’m happy to provide links to later on today. (They are paid subs, so you have to join to read the articles).

    And comparing him to Daniel Bard just makes no sense to me at all.

    Bard threw harder – but he threw a FLAT fastball that could get clobbered. Dellin has a special fastball and a special breaking ball and a genuinely plus changeup.

    I can post later game stores where he went like 7 innings struck out 8 and walked two; these things happened.

    He can start.

    Later

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