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Rothschild: “The good pitchers settle in and they’re hard to beat”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 15, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka

I kind of wanted to write something about Yangervis Solarte this morning — “He just keeps thrilling us all,” Joe Girardi said — but even after writing Masahiro Tanaka all last night, it’s still awfully hard to ignore the guy who tossed a shutout in his eighth big league start.

There’s a lot to be said about Tanaka’s demeanor and the way he’s handled the attention and the pressure that’s come with his move to Major League Baseball. The kid seems to have his head on straight.

But Tanaka wasn’t brought here for his head. He was brought here for his arm, and that arm seems awfully special.

“After about the third or fourth inning, you could see he got into a better rhythm and pretty aggressive with his pitches,” pitching coach Larry Rothschild said. “You could see toward the end he wanted to finish the game. … Beginning of the games are different some times, but the good pitchers settle in and they’re hard to beat.”

It seems telling that Tanaka’s finest inning last night was the seventh. It was his third turn through the order, and he was facing the Mets’ Nos. 3, 4 and 5 hitters.

“These guys had seen him twice,” Joe Girardi said. “Now there’s really not a whole lot of surprises on what his repertoire is. You’ve seen how his fastball comes out, and his slider and his split.”

Tanaka got David Wright to strikeout swinging at a slider. He got Curtis Granderson looking at a curveball. And he got Chris Young swinging at a 93-mph fastball.

“What he does is impressive,” Rothschild said. “It’s impressive because he commands three and four pitches. If you ever talk about a smart pitcher, you can bet that they’re throwing three and four pitches for strikes. That’s what he does.”

Nine innings. Eight strikeouts. No walks. No runs. It was yet another indication of just how good this guy can be.

“Obviously I have good days and bad days,” Tanaka said. “But overall, (last night) I think was my most complete outing.”

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175 Responses to “Rothschild: “The good pitchers settle in and they’re hard to beat””

  1. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Good morning Chad. Might find this interesting. If he is having stem cell injection, taken from the bone marrow from posterior iliac crest along with platelet rich plasma, this could be a lengthy process to maximize the chance at success in rejuvenating tissue.

    Just posted this:

    Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:01 am
    OK I found some info on time frames for recuperative powers of stem cell treatment.

    Here is one clinics post procedure instructions:

    Week1 and 2-Light activity- cells just beginning to divide. No running. No NSAIDS

    Weeks 3 and 4-no repetitive loaded exercise. walking, swimming OK. If it Hurts, STOP

    Weeks 5 and 6-Light running. NO hiking or going up hills. Stem cells building new tissue.

    Weeks 7 and 8-slowly progress but avoid shearing or compressive exercises.

    Months 3 to 6- Stem cells at peak of healing potential-walking biking, yoga, light weights, pilates, physical therapy

    This is one centers regimen..

    Extrapolating this for an athlete like CC, I suspect that Cashman knows the bad news already. If CC wants the chance at full healing, he must take off for six months minimum!

    Ouch!!

  2. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Re-post:

    Following up on my thoughts last night, with all the problems with the Yanks starting rotation, very soon I expect almost daily speculation regarding what starting pitcher the Yanks will be able to trade for and who should the Yanks trade in the way of prospects.

    Right now, I’d say Sanchez and probably O’Brien are likely to be at the top of their tradable prospect list.

  3. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    You know, I had always defended Ian Kennedy’s faux pas (you know, the day he pitched a clunker and insisted he had good stuff) because (a) he was young, and (b) I don’t have a problem with someone looking at the positives and trying to capitalize on that. And I won’t “un-defend” Kennedy now.

    But it’s quite a contrast to Tanaka, who downplays his performance even when it’s pretty stellar. Obviously, Tanaka has more experience than Kennedy did at the time, and perhaps he is more accustomed to the media attention (although, I’m sure it’s more now than it has been in the past).

    All I know is he’s been fantastic!

  4. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    The Royals probably won’t trade Shields, right?

    And I suppose a three team trade for Price isn’t likely…

  5. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Yankee Trader -

    That’s pretty sobering. Guess there’s no magic treatment. :(

    But here’s the thing, if they know they don’t have CC for the year, then they can possibly handle the situation better than if they’re not sure how he’s going to do start to start.

  6. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    I noticed the facial grimacing, and sometimes expletives as some of the batters were swinging at balls that dropped into the dirt. :)

  7. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Shame -

    No one wants to help the Yankees. :(

    I just hope that whatever they do doesn’t entail losing the handful of players that could help us this year and/or we’re hopeful have a place with this team in the near future.

    But maybe this makes this re-think Warren and Betances.

    BTW – I saw Pat M’s comment about a 10-day deal for Kyle Farnsworth and had no idea what he was talking about. Then saw somewhere else that he’d been let go by the Mets. No to Krazy Kyle right?

  8. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    All else equal, I’d rather have the uncertainty of CC out on the mound, working his way through his troubles, than the certainty of having him out for the season. I haven’t given up on him just yet.

  9. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    I like how Tanaka applauds his teammates after they make a great play in the field. Saw it after a tough play and cannon throw by Solarte to get the runner.

  10. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    It’s still early to discuss infield for the next year, but this is how I handicap it:

    The one gaping hole is SS and I expect that position, plus possible front line starter, to occupy most of the Yanks attentions next off season.

    At 3b it will be Arod of course going into the off season. At his salary expense, the Yanks are looking for him to be their starting 3b in 2015. DH for Arod is not desired. Especially with Beltran’s health likely a question mark.

    I expect the Yanks to go “cheap” again at 2b, like they’ve done with Roberts this season for two reasons. Because they can and because of Refsynder. It’s still early, but Refs is looking pretty good in AA. He may not be ready at the start of next season but if he’s in AAA and still progressing he will be close. This will be reason enough for the Yanks not to look outside in a big way at 2b.

    What about Solarte? Well he’s the Yanks Zobrist of course. He’s insurance for Arod at 3b and may even start at 2b. But I fully expect the Yanks to keep moving Solarte around. OF too. He’s pretty much the most valuable player on the team.

  11. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    I went to the sports page of the Star Ledger this morning all ready to read glowing reports about Tanaka, and what do I find? “Gee to the Diabled List” and the boxscore from the night before’s game (the 12-7 one). There was an article on Solarte, so I guess I should take some solace in that.

  12. Madrugador May 15th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Madrugador says:
    May 15, 2014 at 9:12 am
    Trade Solarte?!
    Even if he ends up hitting his career minor league numbers, he is still an average utility infielder and with the injury risk of the infielders on this team that makes him a very valuable commodity.

    Sounds like CC has a chronic, degenerative problem with his knee. Hopefully, they can coax the remainder of the season out of him but this is not a problem that is going to go away. Most people carrying 300 lbs on there knees need them replaced in their 60s-70s. CC has been landing 300 lbs on that knee for years. Any treatment they do is only going to buy him some time. Hopefully it is enough time to get him to the end of his contract.

  13. bbb51 May 15th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    It’s possible CC can pitch with the cortisone. But he needs to have no pain and improvement or it’s pointless.

  14. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    If the Yankees are told by the center injecting the stem cells and PRP that the regimen I posted above is their guidline to maximize recovery and allow the stem cells to work, then we wont be seeing Sabathia pitching again this season.

    This is not a simple cortisone injection.

  15. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    “CC has been landing 300 lbs on that knee for years….”

    Yes, this was always the concern that I had about CC. I was really torn when he opted out of his contract, because I like him and I wanted to keep him. However, the right move would have been to let him go. Still, I probably would have opted to extend CC, in a case of the heart winning out over the head.

  16. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    I expect CC to be back in a month. I have no idea how effective he’ll be but counting on him to be better than a back end starter now would not be wise.

    The Yanks need pitching. Perhaps two starters. Warren should be the first one. They can start stretching him out tonight by have him piggy back on Whitley.

  17. bbb51 May 15th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:25 am
    If the Yankees are told by the center injecting the stem cells and PRP that the regimen I posted above is their guidline to maximize recovery and allow the stem cells to work, then we wont be seeing Sabathia pitching again this season.

    This is not a simple cortisone injection.

    But he did get a cortisone injection, presumably to ease the pain so he can pitch.

  18. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Morning all —-

    The latest info reinforces my notion that the knee was costing CC Sabathia velocity as much or more than the elbow. But that re-hab schedule is for commoners, not professional athletes. Still he probably needs a major procedure as soon as the season is over if he’s going to get anywhere close to where he was.

    Short term, like Randy Johnson he’s probably start getting gel injections to ease the bone-on-bone pain in the knee.

    Tanaka has been a revelation. He not only is the Yanks best pitcher, he ideally will become the guy other Japanese stars will want to play with.

    Solarte continues to impress. big things and little things alike. Other than the rushed throw that really hurt the other day (turning a DP into an error) he makes few mistakes. what a find!

  19. bbb51 May 15th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Of course, he could be out for the year as well.

    They need to do something, because unless Whitley is very impressive, they need better starting pitching.

    Tanaka, Kuroda, Phelps, Whitley, Nuno is probably not going to cut it, and even adding Pineda to that is probably not enough.

  20. blake May 15th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    “blake – I wonder how many people in NC spent their whole lives promising they’d never vote for American Idol until Clay Aiken found a loophole….”

    Like the opponent dying!

  21. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    There’s a very good chance that we’ll see Manny in pinstripes this year.

    Pineda’s suspension and early-season injury could turn out to be a blessing in disguise if he is able to come back and be successful later this season, because he should have plenty innings left towards the end of the season.

  22. blake May 15th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    I think the yanks have to consider CC a very expensive back end starter going forwar and plan that way…..if he’s more than that it’s gravy

  23. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    I’d take Farnsworth just for depth, tbh.

  24. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    bbb51 May 15th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Of course, he could be out for the year as well.

    They need to do something, because unless Whitley is very impressive, they need better starting pitching.

    Tanaka, Kuroda, Phelps, Whitley, Nuno is probably not going to cut it, and even adding Pineda to that is probably not enough.
    ===

    If four-fifths of the Yankee rotation is unable to cut it, then the Yanks aren’t going anywhere anyway. Kuroda, Phelps, and Pineda are going to have to step up.

  25. blake May 15th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    But one thing is becoming more and more clear…..those that projected Tanaka as a 2 or 3 starter undersold him…..even the projection of a prime Dan Haren may be underselling him…..this kid is a true #1…..and there are only 10-15 of those in baseball

  26. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Dan-

    Read the first post. I suppose he can be back in a month, but why bother then to do stem cell injections. It won’t have time to properly aid in regenerating cartilage, and he’ll continue to have bone on bone in that right knee with further osteoarthritis.

    If they wanted him back sooner, cortisone with something like a Hyaluronidase, viscous injection

  27. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Although I loved CC, and love CC, when they were first courting him I was concerned about the long-term state of his body, particularly his knees, because of all the weight he carried. But he won me over with what he did once he got here.

    I am not a fan of long-term deals for any player, but good luck with that! Any attempt to try and make contracts reflect the actual lifespan of a player’s good years will be met with charges of collusion. Which stinks, because I don’t think anyone is interested in going back to the days of one-year contracts, but clearly 6, 8, 10 year deals don’t often work out for the teams paying the money. Of course, they always work out for the player because the money is guaranteed. If injury is in play, there’s insurance, I guess, in many of the cases.

    A team cannot put itself in the position of refusing to go beyond, say 3 or 4 years for contracts, because they will never get a free agent – too many teams willing to spend and offer the years without hesitation.

  28. blake May 15th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Tulo has a 4.1 war already!

  29. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    You could be right YT. But I’d be very surprised if the Yanks chose a regimen now that would knock CC out for the season. I’m not saying that wouldn’t be the best course for the patient. But the Yanks have a ton invested in CC. I don’t think he’ll be out more than a month. Again how he performs, who the heck knows?

  30. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:33 am
    …A team cannot put itself in the position of refusing to go beyond, say 3 or 4 years for contracts, because they will never get a free agent – too many teams willing to spend and offer the years without hesitation.

    That’s probably why the Yanks should have let CC walk when he opted out. But it’s tough to do.

  31. blake May 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    When Tulo is healthy (which granted isn’t often) ….but when he is 100% right…..I don’t know that there is a more valuable player in baseball…..even Trout because Trout doesn’t play SS

  32. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Ghostwriter -

    It’s tough to do especially when you’re not sure what the rest of your rotation can give you!

    I’d guess the Yankees decided to take the risk that the end of the deal would not be good. You just never know when the actual “end” will come. And I’m sounding to fatalistic to myself. Perhaps CC can recover enough to be an effective mid-rotation guy. Which is not bad. Or even a better than most end of rotation guy.

    But they need more stability between Tanaka and #5.

  33. longtimefan May 15th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Tanaka the real deal, yes, smart yes, the polar opposite of Pineda.

  34. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    The Yanks will face another CC type dilemma with Tanaka in about 4 years. I believe the right course is to always let the player walk if he threatens to use an opt out. It’s really only win-win for the player. As I pointed out a few months ago, this Year 1 of the four year Tanaka Era.

  35. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    bbb51

    If the Yankees are planning for him to get stem cell injection to that right knee, then Cashman already knows and has to plan that CC is out six months, as he needs to avoid all shearing and strenuous exercise that will damage the regeneration of the cartilage in that knee.

    This is just an educated and researched opinion.

  36. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    “There’s a very good chance that we’ll see Manny in pinstripes this year.”

    —–

    I’d say there’s about as much a chance of that happening as Severino starting for the big club this year. Manny doesn’t look close to major league ready and he shouldn’t be rushed.

    I think the Yanks have basically shot their starting pitcher depth load with Warren, Nuno and Phelps. Of course Warren is still available if they play it right. But I really don’t see any other significant help this year from the farm. Whitley is a total shot in the dark.

  37. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    The Yanks will face another CC type dilemma with Tanaka in about 4 years. I believe the right course is to always let the player walk if he threatens to use an opt out. It’s really only win-win for the player. As I pointed out a few months ago, this Year 1 of the four year Tanaka Era.
    ==

    It’ll be easier with Tanaka because he doesn’t have the rather obvious health risks that Sabathia possessed.

    I also don’t want to sound overly fatalistic about Sabathia, because I do think that he has the ability to come back, and be a successful pitcher.

  38. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Dan-

    Any chance that Almonte will get the chance to play RF tonight. Soriano looked like the gods were shining down on him with his play in right last night, especially when the ball just managed to find his outstretched glove! :)

  39. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    I think the Yankees screwed up on Shane Greene in ST. they used him as a reliever and then instead of being stretched out at the beginning of the year…..they still don’t have him stretched out. He is a great prospect and not far from being ready to pitch in the bigs……….

  40. Madrugador May 15th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    I don’t think CC will get both the cortisone and the PRP at the same time. The cortisone might work against the PRP.

  41. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    I think the Yankees screwed up on Shane Greene in ST. they used him as a reliever and then instead of being stretched out at the beginning of the year…..they still don’t have him stretched out. He is a great prospect and not far from being ready to pitch in the bigs……….

    —–

    Totally agree. They need to stretch him out now and hope for the best.

  42. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    And for his tackling abilities.

  43. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Dan-

    Any chance that Almonte will get the chance to play RF tonight. Soriano looked like the gods were shining down on him with his play in right last night, especially when the ball just managed to find his outstretched glove

    ——

    I expect Almonte to start tonight but don’t bet on it. I’ve been wrong there before. Funny you mentioned Soriano in field. I think he’s actually improving some in RF. I expect him to play out there a lot when Beltran hits the DL.

  44. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Who wants to see Farnsworth tackle someone, raise your hand!!

  45. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Madrugador-

    I believe CC already had a cortisone injection to ease discomfort.

    If they are doing stem cells, as the next step, as Cashman has said, it is drawn from bone marrow, I believe from the posterior iliac crest, spun down and with or without platelet rich plasma, which is also spun down from the patients own blood.

  46. Chip May 15th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    For all the downsides that were talked about yesterday, last night’s game highlighted some of the positives of the season:

    Tanaka is fantastic. He and Betances have clearly been the team’s best two pitching additions.

    I’m having a great deal of fun watching Solarte – I don’t know that he can or will keep playing at a high level – but I really hope he does.

  47. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    I don’t know about Farnsworth. He’s just going to wind up taking up a spot, but not really helping the club.

  48. Chip May 15th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    I would assume that John Ryan Murphy will be behind the plate tonight for Whitley.

  49. Yankee Trader May 15th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Time to go.

    Thank goodness for Tanaka.

    “Here he comes to save the day. That means that Tanaka, is on the way!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdIev12fCPs

  50. Chip May 15th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    I wouldn’t have a problem with picking up Farnsworth.

    Send Warren to AAA to start
    Move Betances up to the 7th/8th inning role

  51. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Here’s my Make a Wish Yankee lineup (against righties):

    1. Ellsbury

    Because it looks like he can’t hit in any spot other than lead off.

    2. Roberts

    I’ve felt since ST he’d be a perfect No. 2 hitter. His numbers don’t show him to be much better than Jeter right now but I think his ABs have been significantly better. He can hit the ball in the air! And he takes pitches. Can hit behind in the count. Bat getting stronger as season progresses. Nice player.

    3. Solarte

    Because he’s simply the best hitter the Yanks have.

    4. Tex

    Tex is becoming the prototypical Al Bundy beer league clean-up hitter and I love it!

    5. Beltran/Almonte

    This is the DH spot. I’m expecting/hoping when Beltran comes back he’s Beltran again. Almonte makes a great imitation of Beltran from the left side.

    6. Soriano

    Nice 6th place hitter. His low OBP likely to hurt less here. Will show his power and be valuable. Should almost never DH.

    7. McCann

    Because he’s basically a defense-first catcher with power and doesn’t belong in the middle of the lineup with pressure to drive in runs. I think this would save his season.

    8. Jeter

    Because he’s lucky just to be in this lineup.

    9. Gardner

    Always felt Gardner was quite good in this spot. He’ll be hitting ahead of Ellsbury in a lot of innings and that should be good for the offense overall.

  52. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Chip May 15th, 2014 at 9:53 am
    For all the downsides that were talked about yesterday, last night’s game highlighted some of the positives of the season:

    —————–

    Here’s the thing.. Tex and Solarte have been much better than expected. McCann, Beltran and Sori have been worse… if they can heat up while the other two keep doing their thing, they’ll be a pretty good offense.

    The question is what will the starting pitching look like when and if that happens lol?? I’m worried about getting this team going all at the same time. I hope it clicks for a while.. we need a nice long win streak.

  53. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Sending Warren to Triple-A is risky. The move would weaken the ‘pen, without necessarily shoring up the rotation.

  54. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    I still think they should just call up Ramirez, Burawa and/or Montgomery… our BP needs help. Claiborne is sort of maddening. Thorton hasn’t been very effective since ST. Kelley never even should have been an EIG, IMO. Let’s just press restart on the whole thing.

  55. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    dan – I’m not worried about Alex vs. Beltran at the DH spot. The reality is, like with other things, regardless of how much you’re paying these guys you need to make the best decision for the club. Beltran’s signing was problematic for these very reasons. He can’t play in the field daily and he’s got a lot of DH competition. Next year, Tex, McCann, and Alex will all need DH time. IMO, you might as well just consider Alex your full time DH and Beltran your 4th OF/bench bat with Zoo starting in the place of Ichi/Sori dropping off the team.

  56. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Thornton has been a huge disappointment for me. It seems like he always seems to crack in the big spots for which Girardi has called on him. I don’t know what his problem is, but he should be a heck of a lot better than he’s been. It just seems to me like he’s going through the motions out there.

  57. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    “I still think they should just call up Ramirez, Burawa and/or Montgomery… our BP needs help. Claiborne is sort of maddening. Thorton hasn’t been very effective since ST. Kelley never even should have been an EIG, IMO. Let’s just press restart on the whole thing.”

    ——

    I don’t think there is starting help at the farm now, but I think there is some relief pitching help. It will take some work to sort out though. Especially with the 40 man. Wish there were a lefty tho.

  58. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    I disagree on Kelley. He’s been pretty good for the most part. Obviously, that back injury affected his control that night in Anaheim. I think he is god as n EIG. I’m hoping though that Betances can eventually take over that role, and Kelley could be the 7th inning guy

  59. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Has anyone here seen Whitley pitch? Never seen him. ANy thoughts on him?

  60. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Shame in the end, the players tell you where they belong. It just seems like the Yanks don’t hear too well at times. I suspect Arod and Beltran will occupy much of the DH next year. That’s why it’s important to keep McCann and Tex on the field.

    A couple of weeks ago I looked up McCann’s contract. He does have a NTC. It’s still super early on all this but much like the Gardner extension, the McCann signing just looks poor strategically. If he’s not a middle of the order guy then why isn’t Murphy our catcher?

    Again, too early to draw conclusions but still a thought in the back of the mind. At some point the FO might have to approach McCann and see if a trade can’t be worked out.

  61. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 9:11 am
    The Royals probably won’t trade Shields, right?

    And I suppose a three team trade for Price isn’t likely…

    __________________________

    Very few teams have pitching to deal, especially this early, and with all the pitching injuries this year. Pitching is very scarce, and even if a team has one to spare, the price will be extremely high due to the demand

  62. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    @ChrisCotillo
    #Orioles have been on the lookout for a right-handed hitting catcher. Adam Moore, who would leave #Padres for ML opportunity, is a great fit

  63. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Eager too see Whitely tonight. Should be fun.

    The guy to watch for a call up is Branden Pinder. 15 appearances between Trenton (12) and Scranton (3) totaling 19 innings. 7 hits allowed, 1 earned run, 21 K, 2 W

    Banuelos pitched out of the pen last night for some damn reason and was awful

  64. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    dan – They love those NTCs. McCann is around for at least three years. Gardner, I’d suspect won’t be moved for at least two.

    That being said, I think Solarte should be the everyday 2B next year. Every day that Hanley isn’t extended is another day I imagine him as our 3B. An INF of Hanley, Hardy maybe?, Solarte and Tex would be a pretty productive bunch.

  65. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    On the positive side,

    Ian Clarkin was solid again last night… six innings, one earned run, 4K, 0 walks. He now has a 1.15 ERA after three starts covering 15 2/3 innings.

  66. Mottsx May 15th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....ce-103434/

    Fastball, Slider, Change up. Go get em kid!

  67. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Shame — I’ll take that infield!

  68. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    On the positive side,

    Ian Clarkin was solid again last night… six innings, one earned run, 4K, 0 walks. He now has a 1.15 ERA after three starts covering 15 2/3 innings

    —–

    Very solid entry into full season for this guys. I don’t think any pitch jumps out at you but he’s seems super advanced for his age.

    The scary good guy is Severino. Read that article I linked. Sitting 95. Using all three pitches. And throwing 95 pitches a game. And he’s 20. How do you spell temptation?

  69. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    “That being said, I think Solarte should be the everyday 2B next year. Every day that Hanley isn’t extended is another day I imagine him as our 3B. An INF of Hanley, Hardy maybe?, Solarte and Tex would be a pretty productive bunch.”

    —-

    I don’t think that’s possible now with the CC problem. The Yanks need to go big on the rotation now. I think there’s only room for one other big acquisition and that’s probably SS. That still probably puts next year’s budget at around 230MM. They’ll probably end up giving 3/30 to Drob too.

  70. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    So good, so good to see the CeltNets go down last night. Talk about OLD,”That’s why I’m here” Pierce and Honey Nut Cheerios Garnett are DONE. Maybe they can join Jesus Shuttlesworth in Miami for a ring next year. Allen killed them again, assassin..

    Oh, of course, always So Good to see any Boston team go down, nice choke Bruins.

    Now the Rangers have to finish the job the penguins choked on…

  71. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    I am not sure what some of you are watching, but one sp won’t make a difference. 88 wins would be best case scenario for this team. I am guessing cashman will overpaid in talents if there is a desperate acquisition to be made in an new era where most teams are in it by July.

    what a joke cashman is.

  72. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    They’ll probably end up giving 3/30 to Drob too.
    ==============================
    If they’re lucky.
    He might look to hold them up and go elsewhere..

  73. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    An INF of Hanley, Hardy maybe?
    =====
    highly doubted, yanks already blew their wad this year, with rod back, you will get some window dressing and bs that this is a championship team in 15.

  74. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    I could be mistaken, but I believe Whitley got rocked in ST. And Warren, Nuno and Phelps were lights out.

  75. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    I don’t think that’s possible now with the CC problem. The Yanks need to go big on the rotation now. I think there’s only room for one other big acquisition and that’s probably SS. That still probably puts next year’s budget at around 230MM. They’ll probably end up giving 3/30 to Drob too.

    ————-

    If they’re playing this budget game again, they’re in trouble no matter what. I hate the idea of Johnson/Arod at 3B. And no matter who you get at SS, you’re not going to be able to make up for the power outage in the OF and INF corners.

    Next year who comes off the books besides Jeter and Kuroda? That frees up ~$30 million.

    Maybe they go after Choi as an IFA and get him to play 3B more cheaply, sign an MLB SS and get a starter like Lestah for less than what you’d need to pay for Scherzer.. I don’t know that I see Lestah leaving Boston though. He’ll agree to some $60 million deal there because they perform voodoo on their players. Scherzer will be the best arm out there but he scares the crap out of me.

    Does Tanaka have a baby brother…???

  76. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    yanks looks like more of a seller by july to me, but then NYY are incapable of such thought and act to follow.

    this team reminds me of the early 2000s knicks team, short on talents, big on payroll with a retarded owner and a moron gm.

  77. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Why did Yanks go after Thornton when the RS left him off the WS roster?
    He throws 95 but straight.
    Can’t get a righty out yet Girardi leaves him in there.

  78. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    They were gonna need another front line starter no matter what happened with CC this year. We all watched him last year and knew he wasn’t That Guy anymore. Tank is great. He’s gotta be your 1 or 2. Finding someone to compliment him would be huge.

  79. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Mark Jackson to coach Knicks?
    LoHud needs to know..

  80. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Why did Yanks go after Thornton when the RS left him off the WS roster?
    =====
    Cashman.

  81. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    86 – I’ll focus on Hanley for now… but Darvish is always lurking in my thoughts. Incidentally, I did a twitter search for Darvish recently and a rather escandalo picture appeared………

  82. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Finding someone to compliment him would be huge.
    ========================
    And they will ask for the Farm.

  83. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    86w183 -

    Weather’s not so great in central NJ today – maybe they were afraid it would rain and Manny wouldn’t pitch at all?

  84. DONNYBROOK May 15th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    - THURSDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) Solarte had another Good night last night going 1-3 with a Dong. So did some guy named Nunez who went 2-4.

    (2) Terry Collins should be laying Low, instead of proclaiming, “We hit 3 HR’s tonight…”. Because after tonight’s game, that entire Met team of his turns back into a pumpkin. After tonight’s game there will be NO Eric Young Jr hard charging and diving for liners. NO Mejia Moon Walking off the mound. NO Tejada actually Catching balls hit to him at SS. And NO Papa Grande Consistently throwing at 94-95 MPH. All that ends after tonight, and this Met team goes back into it’s Coma. And once that happens, you will get that Harriet Byrd Moment, where the eyes Immediately shift their focus from the Met’s Team…… to Mgr Collins.

    (3) Last night, Tanaka looked like he was No longer feeling his way around, probing, proceeding with caution. He looked large and in charge. He graduated, if only in his Own mind. He Now knows, without doubt, that he is a Top Dog in MLB.

    (4) That 3 Hole is eating Ellsbury alive.

    (5) Gardner doesn’t run near enough to bat leadoff. Ideally, he’s a 2 Slotter behind Ells.

    (6) That Tater that TEX Blasted was one of the longer ones that I have Ever seen him hit. Whatever is wrong with his legs, it is Not impacting his hitting.

    (7) Phil Jackson is finding out there is a Huge difference between working in NY and working in LaLa Land

  85. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Cash – They don’t have a ton to sell… they actually had more options last off season with Gardner, Grandy and Hughes.

  86. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    shame, they don’t have a ton to sell, they don’t ton to buy. they are in status quo just like LY.

  87. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Now is the time for the front office to get aggressive with personnel instead of waiting and waiting and waiting for guys to develop.

    Pinder, Severino, O’Brien, Judge…. guys I’d like to see move up

  88. mick May 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    (4) That 3 Hole is eating Ellsbury alive.
    ========================
    Precisely.
    He is now officially uptight.
    Bat him leadoff and “promote” Jeter to 3rd if you are afraid of hurting his feelings.
    Tex 4th, McCann/Soriiano 5 & 6.

  89. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    They have to move Jeter down in the order… it’s getting ridiculous.

    Do it quick, like a band aid.

  90. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    The Granderson and Swisher Yankees scored over 850 runs while there mediocre pitching staff gave close to 700 runs. We are in the same boat with our starting pitchers, and the solution has to be the same because as of now, the opponents are scoring more then the Yanks which is a replay of last year. I know that this team is not the Bronx Bombers and is not going to hit the homers like a few years ago, but last night Gardner and Jeter manufactured a run with two outs and that has to be the template for out scoring the opposition by 200 runs.

  91. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    it’s all changed… someone needs to take a sledge hammer (figuratively) to cashman and the fo to make them think out of the box a little bit. TALENTS are hard to come by, be it in an inflated FA, be it in a deadline trade scenario. Yanks can’t think creative ways to acquiring talents and are under the delusion their draconian ways can buy their way to championship in FA.

    oh yeah, they can’t rebuild so i been told. so the end of result with all the sunken cost on this team would mostly likely be a mediocre team on the fringe of contention in the next few years.

  92. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    “Next year who comes off the books besides Jeter and Kuroda? That frees up ~$30 million.”

    —-

    Arod and the Gardner extension eat that up that so basically they are almost at square one. I imagine they save around $10MM with Ichiro and Sori coming off but a lot of that will go to Drob.

    The more I think about it, adding a big SS and a starter will put them over $240MM most likely. I don’t know if that’s doable. Trading Gardner is a must. You could kick in about 1.5MM a year and still save $10MM a year by putting Almonte out there. Gardner is tradable at that price. Saving 10MM would get the budget down to around 230 and may be the difference in getting a real front end starter.

  93. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    I’m telling you Tex is totally beer league now. You wheel him out there. Let him take a couple of big swings and hope he doesn’t have to run.

  94. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    these constraints will kill us, once we land in last place maybe they sell…

  95. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    no worries Dan, yanks will sell you high on manbam after limiting banuelo to 3 innings per start in 14.

    i laughed when i think how absurdly they handle pineda with 40 inning/ 3 per start limits and expecting him to be a force as starter in 14. it’s almost as cashman knows he got damaged goods and are hoping to perpetuate an illusion as long as possible.

  96. blake May 15th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    (4) That 3 Hole is eating Ellsbury alive.”

    Or he’s just cooled off after an insanely hot start…… Id rather ellsbury was off and Gardner hit 2nd but there is the Jeter complication…….I don’t want to call it a problem because he’s Derek Jeter and we as fans owe a lot of happiness to him over the last 2 decades…..

  97. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    dang, I am little grumpy this morning. losing to the mutts will do that to this yankee fan.

  98. blake May 15th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    bigdan22 says:
    May 15, 2014 at 11:04 am
    I’m telling you Tex is totally beer league now. You wheel him out there. Let him take a couple of big swings and hope he doesn’t have to run.

    As long as he’s hitting the ball over the fence a lot that’s fine with me

  99. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Gardner and Jeter manufactured a run with two outs and that has to be the template for out scoring the opposition by 200 runs.
    =========================
    It’s not happening in NY Hank.

    As long as the porch is short they will search for hairy monsters.

  100. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    .I don’t want to call it a problem because he’s Derek Jeter and we as fans owe a lot of happiness to him over the last 2 decades…..
    =====================
    Blake- Would batting him 3rd , at least vs Leftys be impossible?

  101. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    the Yankees will never get back to where they were in the late 90s until their farm system can deliver some difference making talent to the big club. They can’t do it all through free agent signings and trades…..in fact trades, if they trade away their best prospects, will only cause a continuation of the same problem…….

  102. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    We should have known that Tanaka was the real deal when MLB changed their posting rules to try and hurt the Yankees chances of getting him.

  103. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    I really don’t see them moving Gardner. I’m not opposed to it, but he’s also a consistent producer. He’s not the prototypical LFer and if they’re budget conscious giving him that deal made no senses, but a lot of their deal made no sense in terms of budget. For a team so concerned with it, you’d think they’d try to be smarter but….

  104. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    If Baseball destroys the Yankees, with Hal’s help, they will be sorry.
    The rest of the Country might hate us but we are still the team baseball is built around.

  105. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Also… why worry about SS when we have the two-million dollar man Brendan Ryan signed for 3 years! That wasn’t a waste of resources at all… smh.

    Thornton and Ryan, over the next two years, cost us about what we pay Ichiro lol. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  106. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    “in fact trades, if they trade away their best prospects, will only cause a continuation of the same problem…….”

    They could trade from strength tho. And at catcher and corner OF there actually is some strength in the upper levels. Sanchez and O’Brien come to mind. Gardner as well if they kick in some bucks. They have no pitchers that are tradable (except maybe relief but that’s not worth much) but a couple tradable position players and it seems like a generation since we’ve been able to say that.

    Bird if he can stay healthy may be better them all of them. I’d keep him. And Murphy of course.

  107. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    As long as he’s hitting the ball over the fence a lot that’s fine with me

    ———–

    Agreed.. I never found myself worried about Tex running. Only worried about his hitting. We have a fair enough amount of speed on the team. Not like Tex has to move a ton at 1B.

  108. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    They could trade from strength tho. And at catcher and corner OF there actually is some strength in the upper levels. Sanchez and O’Brien come to mind. Gardner as well if they kick in some bucks. They have no pitchers that are tradable (except maybe relief but that’s not worth much) but a couple tradable position players and it seems like a generation since we’ve been able to say that.

    Bird if he can stay healthy may be better them all of them. I’d keep him. And Murphy of course.
    —————
    I’m not saying that they shouldn’t make trades but trading a few minor leaguers isn’t going to get you a middle of their prime player….you could trade for Lee and Utley but they are 36 years old and just make our problems worse………..more players at the end of their careers who could break down at any time

  109. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Yanks have about $ 50 M coming off the books — including Robertson, Soriano, Ichiro, Kuroda, Jeter, Roberts

    A-Rod’s return and Gardner’s raise will take up about $ 32 M for luxury tax purposes. Leaves $$$ for a SS or a starter… not both without raising the payroll.

  110. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    when someone criticizes Tex for not taking 2B on that pinch hit when he was hobbling down to 1st was pure hyperbole.

    he had no shot even with good legs.

  111. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    gardner with his new contract won’t get you a lot in return. in fact, he never had trade value that would garner a stud prospect in return. if you want to rid of his contract then it’s foolish to give him a contract to begin with Ells in fold.

    NYY are not terribly bright are rigid in their thinking.

    it’s real simple here, rebuild or give cashman a 300 mil budget, else you will be getting a poser for probably next 2-3 years.

  112. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    “Agreed.. I never found myself worried about Tex running. . .”

    —–

    Of course, but I do believe the overall decline in Tex’s athleticism is contributing to his poor defensive play this year. But in beer league, defense doesn’t count. Just hit the ball over the wall Tex. And the walks are cool too. Easy on the legs.

  113. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    We should have known that Tanaka was the real deal when MLB changed their posting rules to try and hurt the Yankees chances of getting him.

    **************************************************************************

    You gotta be kidding. The change in the posting fee HELPED the Yankees get Tanaka. They could “recruit” him and negotiate with him directly rather than blindly throwing money at a posting fee. It will help the Yanks in the future too.

  114. Doreen May 15th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    86w183 -

    But what happened was it was not a slam dunk that he was going to get posted at all, because less money went to his team in Japan. At least as I recall all the hullabaloo at the time. and it took forever for him to get posted.

    The actual process, once he was posted, the Yankees were ready for and did a great job recruiting him.

  115. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Vasquez, Freddie Garcia, Burdette, Hughes and the list goes on and on from 2010 to 2012 as Girardi tried to find some continuity after CC pitched. Tanaka has taken over CC’s role as the Yankees are on a repeat performance when it come to the starters, and Girardi may be in the same boat as he continues his juggling act except he may be playing with a rerun of last years offense if Beltran does not come back.

  116. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    I’m not saying that they shouldn’t make trades but trading a few minor leaguers isn’t going to get you a middle of their prime player….you could trade for Lee and Utley but they are 36 years old and just make our problems worse………..more players at the end of their careers who could break down at any time

    —–

    Agreed. Any trades of prospects must be strategic with a view to the future. I’d wouldn’t take Utley and I’d be very careful regarding Lee. If you are taking on a big contract, the return in prospect value needs to reflect that.

  117. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    I’m not sure if anyone answered yesterday but isn’t the pool of money they have for IFAs limited this year?

  118. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Vasquez, Freddie Garcia, Burdette, Hughes and the list goes on and on from 2010 to 2012
    ========================
    Lou Burdette?
    You’ve got to mean Burnett…

  119. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 11:28 am
    I’m not sure if anyone answered yesterday but isn’t the pool of money they have for IFAs limited this year?

    ————–
    my understanding is the Yankees plan to blow the spending limit out of the water and will take the severe penalties and restrictions next year

  120. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    my understanding is the Yankees plan to blow the spending limit out of the water and will take the severe penalties and restrictions next year
    ==================
    greg

    it might take a last place finish to accomplish that.

  121. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    That’s the plan with IFAs. Just hope that doesn’t make them go conservative in the draft next month

  122. Cashmoney May 15th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    i believe it means they will have little money to spend on IFA in 14 and 15, i think yanks are hoping an international draft after their blew IFA out of water this year. as usual, they are follower but not leader in this aspect.

  123. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Hal will say get me some value for my money and not go overboard unless it’s a sure thing like Tanaka.

  124. mick May 15th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    200 posts for a yankee met game?
    this place is dying….

  125. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    The rest of the Country might hate us but we are still the team baseball is built around.

    Baseball would cease to exist without the Yankees.

  126. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Precisely what Doreen said. In addition, more teams recruiting him and having the opportunity to throw money at him means less chance for the Yankees to sign him.

  127. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Shame

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....-prospects

  128. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    If any of you don’t recognize or understand that MLB continues imposing rules specifically designed to hamper the Yankees, you never will.

  129. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    If any of you don’t recognize or understand that MLB continues imposing rules specifically designed to hamper the Yankees, you never will.

    *************************************************************************

    Tell Oliver Stone I said hello. Let me know if you need a map to area 51 in Roswell

  130. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Precisely what Doreen said. In addition, more teams recruiting him and having the opportunity to throw money at him means less chance for the Yankees to sign him.

    ************************************************************************

    WRONG WRONG WRONG

    The old posting fee was a shot in the dark. The new system lets the Yankees pursue any player they want as aggressively as they want.

    Do you want to control the process or do you want the process to control you?

  131. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Was not impressed with Montero last night…..little Pedro he is not. FB very straight and he doesn’t get much extension…..command it’s big league average…..it’s one start but didn’t think his stuff was all that impressive

  132. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Question from the RAB Mailbag: How much would TANAK get on the open market RIGHT NOW? My guess: more than 7/155.

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  133. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    ESPN Insider Article of Buster Olney, taking shots at Tanaka and making backhanded compliments:

    “IN THE AFTERMATH, the players remembered how Masahiro Tanaka flinched, ducking as if someone had rifled a ball at his face.

    It was early evening in a late-April game at Fenway, and Tanaka had carried a 4-0 lead into the fourth. He’d fallen behind 3 and 1 to David Ortiz and, to keep from walking him, challenged the slugger with a fastball. Pitching 101. Ortiz anticipated the fastball — Hitting 101 — and destroyed the pitch, a massive, fully leveraged hack. That was when Tanaka ducked his chin into his shoulder, as if the contact unnerved him. Then he watched as the ball soared high above, landing in a spot in center where Ortiz had never before driven it, some 482 feet away. As Ortiz’s teammate Jonny Gomes later said, “I bet nobody has ever hit a ball that hard against him.”

    That is, until the next batter. Tanaka, on a 1-1 count to Mike Napoli, fired another fastball. Napoli blistered a home run 405 feet toward the Massachusetts Turnpike, and Tanaka flinched even worse. His hands flashed upward and his body rippled, like someone taking a punch to the chin.”

  134. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    I agree, eight year, $ 25 per would be the starting point.

  135. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

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    have a day

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    Montgomery still, I think, hasn’t shown the 93 mph fastball he had. Without that, it is much easier to lay off his out pitch, the slider.

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