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Left off the roster this winter, Whitley gets his chance tonight

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 15, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Chase Whitley

Chase Whitley was drafted in 2010, got to Double-A by the end of 2011, and was promoted to Triple-A in early 2012. He was a fast riser those first two pro seasons, and he put up consistent number out of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre bullpen for two years, and this winter he seemed an obvious candidate to land a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.

But the Yankees didn’t protect him, and no other team selected him, and more quickly than he’d climbed through the system, Whitley seemed to have fallen off the radar.

“All you can do is just worry about what you’re doing,” Whitley’s friend Adam Warren said. “Not worry about what everyone else is doing or (the fact that) there’s no openings on the roster. You know if you keep pitching, they’ll find room for you. I think that’s what Chase did was he just stayed with the process and kept pitching, and he finally got an opportunity.”

Opportunity comes tonight when the Yankees will add Whitley to their active roster and give him the ball for the Subway Series finale. It will be just the 15th start of his professional career, but he’s the standout of the moment in the Triple-A rotation. Bruce Billings, Chris Leroux, Shane Greene and Alfredo Aceves have come up at various points, and this time it’s Whitley at the top of the pecking order. He has a 2.39 ERA in Triple-A and went 6.2 scoreless innings with 11 strikeouts in his most recent full start.

“I think when you’re planning on a young kid coming up and making a start or making an appearance, sometimes you try to plan where it can be,” manager Joe Girardi said. “Sometimes you think, is it easier to do on the road? Maybe. That’s something that you use in consideration, but this situation we couldn’t do it. Is the stage big? The stage is always big your first game in the big leagues, I don’t care where you’re at.”

Whitley’s taken a bit of a strange road to get here — as Warren said, if you’d suggested a year ago that Whitley would be starting and Warren would be the setup man, I’m not sure how many people would have believed you — but after spending most of his career as a minor league reliever, Whitley began getting some starts late last season, and the Yankees converted him full-time this spring. That’s how the opportunity happened. If he were still a two-inning or three-inning reliever, a door might not have opened.

“He hasn’t really done much different (as a starter),” said Matt Daley, who’s seen Whitley in both roles. “He doesn’t really need (to change). It’s just getting a little older, a little more confident in his pitches. … He throws his changeup to lefties and righties, and it’s a plus pitch to both of them. That’s why he works as a starter, whereas some guys like me wouldn’t necessarily work as a starter. There’s really no difference between him relieving or starting.”

Daley said Whitley has added a cutter/slider this season, and he’s using that against both lefties and righties as well, but his basic approach is the same. He throws strikes, gets some ground balls, and leans on his changeup, which Warren called a “wipeout” pitch.

“He’s a great dude and been a good friend of mine for a couple of years now,” Warren said. “It’s nice to see good guys in the game get a chance, so I’m real excited for him. I can’t talk about it without smiling because I’m excited for him.”

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167 Responses to “Left off the roster this winter, Whitley gets his chance tonight”

  1. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Question from the RAB Mailbag: How much would TANAK get on the open market RIGHT NOW? My guess: more than 7/155.

    Uhm yes

  2. Against All Odds May 15th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    @mikeaxisa: Question from the RAB Mailbag: How much would TANAK get on the open market RIGHT NOW? My guess: more than 7/155.

    Uhm yes

    —————-

    200 million easy

  3. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    If you asked me to trade Tanaka straight up for any pitcher in baseball…..I can only think of a handful id trade him for …..Kershaw…..probAbaly Felix…..Darvish maybe just because of the contract difference……probAbaly still Jose Ferndandez…..I can’t think of many more

  4. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Money aside I don’t know that I woukdnt rather have Tank than Darvish…..I want them both in 2 years though

  5. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    “He fit in perfectly in the bemused, even sardonic clubhouse of the most notorious team in the world.”

    Buster Olney

  6. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Darvish still has best “stuff” than Tanak…..but I don’t know that Tank doesn’t understand and know better now to use his stuff than Yu does. This guys pitch ability and make up is off the charts

  7. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
    Money aside I don’t know that I woukdnt rather have Tank than Darvish…..I want them both in 2 years though

    ——————–

    :twisted:

    Everyone get on board this train… it’s leaving the station (in two years!).

  8. Madrugador May 15th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Tanaka seems so good with his offspeed stuff. He doesn’t need to blow people away with a 95-100 mph fastball. Does that translate into a longer career?

  9. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Everyone get on board this train… it’s leaving the station (in two years!).”

    On board big time

  10. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    As the interview started, I began to feel like a hitter standing in the box against Tanaka: He seemed to anticipate what I was thinking and wanted to ask, and he did his best to counteract it. The wry smile appeared.

    I asked about adapting to a new type of baseball, moving from Japan to MLB. “Coming in,” he said, “I already knew the ball will be different. So to me, it wasn’t a big problem.”

    I asked for his favorite new English phrase. “I still don’t have the vocabulary, so I feel I need to keep on learning the language.”

    I asked about his biggest cultural adjustment. “I am coming here to learn what American culture offers. And up to this point, I haven’t had any problems adjusting to it.”

    When it was over, Tanaka got up and walked out without saying another word. That went pretty well, a producer in the room said. “No,” I replied, “that was really terrible.”

    Buster even insulted the interview. What a clown.

  11. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    mick says:
    May 15, 2014 at 11:30 am
    Vasquez, Freddie Garcia, Burdette, Hughes and the list goes on and on from 2010 to 2012
    ========================
    Lou Burdette?
    You’ve got to mean Burnett…

    Thanks for correcting my spelling as I wish the Yankees had a pitcher more like Burdette then Burnette as they may have had a few more rings. I was trying to make a point that Girardi has suffered not having the starters after CC in 2010 to 12 but still got to the dance floor because he had the bats.

  12. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Tanaka > Buster.

    But seriously, not pursuing Darvish keeps haunting this franchise. If they need to make a play for a guy like Lee or big money deal like Scherzer, it hurts so much more…

  13. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    blake – You have to go on Twitter and type ‘darvish’ into the search… I hope the same picture pops up. You’ll know what I mean when you see it. I hope it’s real.

  14. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    @craigcalcaterra You’re Rob Manfred. You were named COO last year and accompanied Bud on his Biogenesis high-five tour. How ya feelin’ today?

    ——————

    I forgot they named him successor lmao!!!!!!!

    Ahahahahaha, Manfred is the worst. Absolute worst.

  15. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Thanks for the Pinstripe Alley link, btw.

  16. Your Name Here May 15th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Not for nothing…. but Tanana has beteaten:

    Toronto
    Boston
    Cubs
    Tampa
    Milwaukee
    and the Muts.

    Only impressive team is Milwaukee and Milwaukee didn’t have Braun.

    Before he is made to be a 200M player… let him face a good team.

  17. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    he pitched well against the Angels and Orioles too though the Yanks didn’t give him enough runs for the win

  18. blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    May 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm
    blake – You have to go on Twitter and type ‘darvish’ into the search… I hope the same picture pops up. You’ll know what I mean when you see it. I hope it’s real.

    I got nothing interesting? Only type “Darvish”

  19. Madrugador May 15th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Toronto’s pitching stinks but they are a team of hitters- 4th in runs scored and 2nd in slugging. I wouldn’t say Tanaka hasn’t been tested although I am sure there are more tests for him out there.

  20. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Tanaka is also getting more run support than the other starters. But I think that’s just because the Tankees are a better collective unit.

  21. UnKnown May 15th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Hughesy against the Sox today. Should be very interesting.

  22. GregD May 15th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    I know that Whitley is a shot in the dark but I hope we get another “Solarte” surprise……. :)

  23. Locke May 15th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    blake May 15th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    …probAbaly still Jose Ferndandez…..I can’t think of many more

    —–

    You’d trade Tanaka for Jose Fernandez even with the TJ surgery? Or are you saying if he wasn’t going to have it?

    Tanaka is much younger than King Felix, so I’d probably decline that trade as well. I absolutely love Felix, but he’s pitched a TON.

  24. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    blake – Click the ‘photos’ tab on the right and scroll down…it might need to load more, but you’ll see it.

  25. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    blake. 1 1/2 months of Tanaka isn’t a reflection of what 7 years will be. I’m telling you guys are going to figure him out as they’ll start moving up in the box a few inches and catch his splitter just as hitters did in the past with forkballs ( same pitch basically ) and sinkers. The really test on how sensational he’ll be is how he’ll adjust to this. Maybe then you’ll want to redefine what pitchers you’d trade him for, because it’s likely that list will expand. Dude looks good now, be has onions and he’s a smart and cool customer, but let’s see how he does after a club sees him for their 3rd time around. I think the images of Ortiz and Napoli will make for a rather restless night’s sleep when it’s his turn to face them again….. I watched him closely last night vs. David Wright, a very fine MLB stick, and Tanaka used him and has his way with him. Some here might remember when Fernando Vanezuela hit the seen in 81 with his screwball, he was out of sight with the screwball. He was 19 and was savvy enough to make adjustments after the league started to see him more. Tanaka will be faced with the same task

  26. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    “Tanaka is much younger than King Felix, so I’d probably decline that trade as well. I absolutely love Felix, but he’s pitched a TON.”

    Felix is a little older but has a mucho get track record of being good too…..that’s a tough one. Tanaka has thrown a ton too btw

    Fernandez is hurt yes but he makes nothing money wise so that factors in and he’s maybe the most talented pitcher in baseball……but yes he is hurt and while TJS is predictable it’s not a sure thing…..so that one is tough too.

    I think the only clear choice over Tanaka is Kershaw……I could make an argument of rather having Tank for just about everyone else

  27. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    “blake. 1 1/2 months of Tanaka isn’t a reflection of what 7 years will be. ”

    Well nothing is guaranteed…..but I was this guy pitch once in ST and wrote that I thought he had a chance to pitch under a 3 era THIS year……he’s the real deal and is better than a lot of folks thought

  28. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Hitters can try to adjust to his split but the thing is that he makes in game adjustments so well I don’t think it’s gonna be easy……he can throw the split for strikes and make to break two different ways…..he also has a better FB than the scouting reports suggested and his stride length makes it play up ……he’s just really good

  29. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Shame,
    Lol are you talking about the picture of a grizley bear firing a machine gun while riding a great white or the picture of a nude Darvish sitting in a chair!

  30. Chip May 15th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Blake –

    For the same reasons that you’re giving about Fernandez you might also want to consider Strasburg and Harvey.

  31. hardwired7 May 15th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    If Whitley truly has a “wipeout changeup”, then we might just get that pleasant surprise.

    If I was a young pitcher developing now, the CU is where I’d look for my equalizer. Kills lefties with its down-and-away action, and you’ve never heard of a pitcher blowing out his arm throwing a CU.

  32. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    “For the same reasons that you’re giving about Fernandez you might also want to consider Strasburg and Harvey.”

    Sure…..I don’t know about Stras though…..he’s good but he’s got that Mark Prior 2.0 feel to me….

  33. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    If you take money out of the equation and just look at ability and age…..then tanaka is right up there

  34. Chip May 15th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    The thing I’m curious about with Whitley is they say he’s got a great change and a great cutter. I always remember Andy and Leiter saying it’s impossible to throw both.

  35. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    the picture of a nude Darvish sitting in a chair!

    ———————-

    Ding ding ding!!!!!!!

    That’s real, right? Someone please for the love of god tell me that’s a real picture that he really took in real life.

  36. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Anybody know anything about the Mets starter Jacob DeGrohm?

  37. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    That’s real, right? Someone please for the love of god tell me that’s a real picture that he really took in real life.”

    Oh I think it’s probably real

  38. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    blake, I fully get the stride element, but this stride brings his release point that much lower so guys get a good view of the ball . He’s not a biggish tall guy with a big stride who are still throwing on a downward plane. This is part of the flat fastball knock plus it’s not really a pitch that will overwhelm guys. Tom Seaver stretched out low with his stride but Tom Terrific could really bring it in the upper 90′s and could and would pitch upstairs. Seaver’s problem would be when he’d leave his sliders up and they’d get hit hard on occasions.

  39. G. Love May 15th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Pat M,

    If the adjustment hitters need to make is simply moving up in the box, why hasn’t it happened yet?

    This leads to the bigger question as to why it takes so long for scouting reports to catch up to the game/players in this day and age.

  40. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    You have to go on Twitter and type ‘darvish’ into the search… I hope the same picture pops up. You’ll know what I mean when you see it. I hope it’s real.

    Darvish posed hella nude for an idol magazine when he was in Japanese, there is one where he is showing how he drinks water thats just like brrrap.

  41. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Tanaka’s fastball isnt the best fastball in the world, but its still good enough. He gets guys to swing through it, he gets guys to ground out with it weakly. That its the only pitch anyone can even get a hit on is more a testament to his other pitches.

  42. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Pat M,
    We will have to agree to disagree on this one…..he’s really good IMO and I see no reason he won’t continue to be really good for a long time if he stays healthy

  43. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    I’d trade Tanaka for Darvish, but I’d much rather have both of them on my team. Tanaka is great, and I really hope he stays undefeated for most of the year because it would be super fun to watch MLB try to wrap their mind around that. But Darvish is Darvish. He doesn’t make as many in game adjustments as Tanaka does, but he doesn’t really need to. He has way more stuff, has already almost perfect gamed a team and no hit a team, has been a strike out king in MLB.

    Darvish is almost guaranteed to have his 2017 contract year turn into a player option. He only needs to win the Cy Young 1 time or finish top 4 in the voting 2 more times in the next 3 years. If that happens the Yankees should sign him. They would then have 1 year of Tanaka+Darvish in the rotation and then they can figure out what to do when Tanaka opts out.

    Tanaka is only signed through age 31 so the opt out isn’t actually that bad, he’d be opting out when he was 28, so giving him an extension would be grand.

  44. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    I can’t stop admiring these Darvish pictures. These are great. Japanese culture is amazing.

  45. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    G.Love…..Adjustments like moving up in the box, opening / closing a stance a little generally take more than just one look through . Maybe after a few starts, maybe even after one time around will we start to see some minor changes to their approach to the skilled Tanaka. My point is and has always been this, there’s going to be games and maybe even a stretch of games when his split isn’t going to be there for him and I have reservations about whether his slider, certainly his fastball are going to be exposed. I think he’s good and he went through the Mets order like a hot knife through a stick of butter. I’m just pointing out certain concerns so when he hits a rough stretch ( and he will ) , there’s a chance this is why….

  46. Shame Spencer May 15th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    They would then have 1 year of Tanaka+Darvish in the rotation and then they can figure out what to do when Tanaka opts out.

    ————–

    It goes without saying I’d love to have this problem. Missing on him in 2012 was terrible. We’ve been trying to find a strong #2 since. We’d gotten lucky that LA didn’t want to keep Kuroda initially and that Andy wanted to come back.

  47. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    I’d trade Tanaka for Darvish, but I’d much rather have both of them on my team. Tanaka is great, and I really hope he stays undefeated for most of the year because it would be super fun to watch MLB try to wrap their mind around that. But Darvish is Darvish. He doesn’t make as many in game adjustments as Tanaka does, but he doesn’t really need to. He has way more stuff, has already almost perfect gamed a team and no hit a team, has been a strike out king in MLB.”

    The biggest difference for me is the contract difference…..Texas is paying about half per year what the Yankees pay for Tanaka……they are both really good but Darvish is a much better value per dollar……yanks were boneheads for not being all in on him

  48. blake May 15th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    If hitters move up in the box on Tanaka….1) I don’t think it’s gonna help that much because his split breaks so late and guys miss it by 2 feet because they are fooled so bad……2) he will just recognize it and start pounding fastballs if he feels like they are sitting split……

  49. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    We don’t know how Darvish would handle NY, or the Red Sox. We have already seen Tanaka handle both, albeit a SSS

  50. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Quarterly Report: Masahiro Tanaka’s Dominance | FanGraphs Baseball http://t.co/EUq0jmFgRm via @ShareThis

  51. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    blake……That’s what guys will be wanting and will be waiting for, his fastball. It’s not a pitch that he can get by with….

  52. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Hey again —

    blake — what would you, as an owner have submitted as a blind bid for the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish? More than the $ 52.1 M than Texas did?

    No other team topped $ 30 M.

    Had the current process been in effect and the Yanks didn’t make a major push, THAT would have been boneheaded. Not blind bidding in excess of $ 50 M is hardly the same.

  53. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Good article basically putting Tanaka in the same company as Felix, Kershaw, and Darvish based on the small sample he’s given so far

  54. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    “blake — what would you, as an owner have submitted as a blind bid for the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish? More than the $ 52.1 M than Texas did?”

    Whatever was necessary …..certainly more than the 12 or whatever million it was that they bid

  55. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    No other team topped $ 30 M.

    The Blue Jays bid 52.something, Texas beat them by a small margin. The blind bidding helps the Yankees more because they can overbid more than other teams. The luxury tax impact is reduced and the actual contract paid out is less.

    On the other hand the new system guarantees the Yankees get a shot at every player that gets posted going forward. it fits the Yankees style more. They are too risk averse and scared to deal with bidding on every player. This lets them browse and decide if they have the stones or not to bid a contract.

  56. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Pat M. says:
    May 15, 2014 at 2:01 pm
    blake……That’s what guys will be wanting and will be waiting for, his fastball. It’s not a pitch that he can get by with….

    You can’t do that though because of the split and slider and just moving up in the box isn’t gonna fix that

  57. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    If the Yankees were willing to shell out what they did for Tanaka in salary, they should have been willing to post at least a $75m bid, or even a $100m bid.

  58. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    “Had the current process been in effect and the Yanks didn’t make a major push, THAT would have been boneheaded. Not blind bidding in excess of $ 50 M is hardly the same.”

    I knew the bid was gonna be over 50 so the yankes should have too…..I said at the time that it would be more than Dice K and it was

  59. JobaTipsHisCap May 15th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Steve Kerr and knicks. LOL
    seems no one gives a shxt to mighty knicks.

  60. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    The Yanks knew they weren’t winning with what they bid so I’m not sure why they even bid at all

  61. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    They didn’t know what was “necessary” and had to submit a bid based on what they thought it would take to sign him. I remember at the time NO ONE though Darvish would sign for as little as he got from Texas. People were throwing around $ 15-18 M per as the range.

    You didn’t answer my question, because the sensible answer is no.

  62. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Phill Hughes just struck out Ortiz looking. What world are we living in?

  63. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Mark Jackson for the Knicks would be just fine. him, and cleaning house over the next 12 months so they can rebuild with a ton of cap space a year from now.

  64. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    86, when a player only has only one team to negotiate with, he has no leverage. If he chooses to pass up signing with that team, the team doesn’t have to pay the bid and the player returns to his team in Japan.

    The Yankees were benefited by the previous system because as Doreen notes, it was questionable whether Tanaka would be posted under this new system because $20m is not much compensation to his Japanese team, and as Jerkface notes, his salary would have been less, making the luxury tax hit less.

  65. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Mark Jackson got fired because of the Celtics. I kid you not.

    1. Lacob, owner of Warriors, was previous Celtics minority owner and boyhood Celtics fan. Took issue with getting rid of Scalabrine & other employee that taped meetings

    2. MJ got rid of the employee that taped meetings. That former employee went to the Celtics.

    3. MJ got rid of Brian Scalabrine. Most notably a Celtic

  66. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Here is how the Yankees should have approached the Darvish posting:

    Does HAL want us to get the player? No? Ok then I’m still gonna bid 14 mil without his permission in case we win somehow

    Did HAL allow us to make a competitive bid? Ok here is a bid for 40+ million

    Did HAL want us to WIN the bidding? We take the matsuzaka posting fee and add +5 million to it

    That would have won the posting. In a blind bid like that you have to play the game theory out. Which Texas and the blue Jays did. Both took the matsuzaka bid and added an arbitrary amount to it. Texas added slightly more , but neither added all that much. Both figured teams would be put off by the Matsuzaka posting and wouldnt bid that high.

  67. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    86,
    What was the question? I certainly would have bid over 50 because I thought it would take over 50……they didn’t because of 189

  68. Tar May 15th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    “The Yanks knew they weren’t winning with what they bid so I’m not sure why they even bid at all”

    For the same reasons they made contract offers to Torre and Cano.

  69. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Agree with JF on that…..if they wanted to win the bid they should have bid 55-60 to ensure it ….or at least give themselves a good chance……

  70. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    “For the same reasons they made contract offers to Torre and Cano.”

    Essentially yes…..show bids

  71. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    No. The way they should have approached the bidding if they wanted Darvish was to assign a total $ amount that they were willing to spend on Darvish, then estimate his salary based on Dice-K, and used the rest for the bid.

  72. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    They offered Torre $5m per season. Highest paid manager in game. With $1m bonuses for each playoff series win. Not even remotely comparable

  73. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    @KenDavidoff: Hal Steinbrenner intimated he’d be open to expanding the #Yankees’ payroll in order to improve the pitching staff. http://t.co/wTFwTnHbWk

    Cliff Lee please

  74. JobaTipsHisCap May 15th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    I also think Mark Jackson would be just fine.
    It’s getting ridiculous that a guy like Kerr w/o any coach experience can get 5 years contract just like that.

  75. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    Toronto was nowhere near Texas in the bidding. Nor was any other team. Give credit to Texas for thinking they could get him for $ 10 M per season. No other team thought that, which is why they won the bid by more than $ 20 M.

    It is silly to say the new system hurts the Yankees. You go from blind bidding, which is a total crapshoot you have no control over to a fixed fee that you are aware of and can factor into negotiations.

    I’ve been involved in negotiations — I would take the second (current) scenario over the first one every day of the week. Yes, the old system was better for luxury tax purposes, but this system is better if you really want the player… MUCH better.

  76. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Jerkface…..Do you really believe that Hal and the Front Office would commit 500 million dollars to 3 pitchers ????

  77. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Check that, 400 million dollars

  78. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Toronto was nowhere near Texas in the bidding. Nor was any other team. Give credit to Texas for thinking they could get him for $ 10 M per season. No other team thought that, which is why they won the bid by more than $ 20 M.”

    This is like saying that the Yanks shouldn’t have had to go to 200 for Cano of they wanted to keep him……they were always going to have to if they wanted him…..turns out they didn’t want him

  79. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Jerkface…..Do you really believe that Hal and the Front Office would commit 500 million dollars to 3 pitchers ????

    What 3 pitchers we talking about here? And in what context? Break it down a bit more and then I will give my opinion on it.

  80. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Toronto was nowhere near Texas in the bidding.

    Yes they were, they were 2nd and it was very very close. Dont know where you are getting the info that they were no where near it. Both teams bid 50+

    “Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Blue Jays submitted a bid in excess of $50 million.”

  81. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Right, they offered him $ 25 M for seven years just to make a good impression on his agent.

    ridiculous. You’re smarter than that

  82. solaris May 15th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    “Source: Remember how the Jays were expected to be such big players in the Yu Darvish bidding? Well, one official said that Toronto actually finished third in the bidding, behind the Rangers and Cubs, and that no bid was within $35 million of what Texas tendered.”

    http://chicago.sbnation.com/ch.....osting-fee

  83. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Sabathia, Darvish and Tanaka. The total investment is well beyond 400 million dollars, for just three guys. All of this would have been in a 3 year span….

  84. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    ridiculous. You’re smarter than that

    There is a difference between being happy with Cano on the team, and actually really wanting Cano on the team. Their contract offer was more for the former, “Oh he accepted? Cool we got a nice deal.” Rather than the must have like A-rods contract, Tex or CC’s contracts, Ellsburys contract, Tanaka’s contract.

  85. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    It was originally reported that Toronto won the bid if I remember correctly and they did bid over 50 I believe

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/.....noRedirect

  86. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    I think I’ll take the Toronto beat writer over Buster Olney. There was a reason that multiple sources said the Blue Jays had actually won the posting before it was revealed Texas did.

  87. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Did every team in baseball bid the $20m on Tanaka?

  88. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Pat M. says:
    May 15, 2014 at 2:35 pm
    Sabathia, Darvish and Tanaka. The total investment is well beyond 400 million dollars, for just three guys. All of this would have been in a 3 year span….

    Yea in total money but that’s spread out over years and a portion of it doesn’t even count to the luxury tax.

    If you take Tanaka and Darvish separately from CC then you’re looking at about 200 in taxable money over 12 years and they are well worth that

  89. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Well I don’t know Richard Griffin from Melanie Griffin but the Chicago site for SBNation reported the Cubs finished second with a bid below $ 20 M.

  90. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    say NO to Cano says:
    May 15, 2014 at 2:38 pm
    Did every team in baseball bid the $20m on Tanaka?

    I don’t think it was ever reported…..Id imagine some didn’t bother because they knew they couldn’t sign him

  91. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    2017 is CC’s final season on the team, and who knows if he will even be playing at that point. Darvish + Tanaka will be expensive, but CC shouldn’t factor into it tbh.

    The Yankees generally have 2 to 3 high paid pitchers on staff every season. May as well make them 2 of the best.

  92. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Glad to see you’re okay, blake. Hope your family is good, too. You weren’t here for a period of time.

  93. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    No one had to bid anything with Tanaka. The posting fee is set by the NPB team and you only pay if you sign the player. You never have to ‘put up’ the money like with the posting fee. All teams can negotiate and if they win the player they pay the fee.

  94. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    blake….the taxable money doesn’t tell the story. Is the tax on Tanaka going to be equal to the 50 plus million the Rangers spent on posting fees.. That’s a weak sheltered argument in my mind…..Money is money and that 50 plus million is real dollars spent and invested just as the taxes are real spent and invested dough. In might find it’s self as a business expense but it’s money out of a checking account somewhere….

  95. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Mike Teevan @MRTeevs

    #MLB Executive Council approved new 3-year posting system w/ NPB today. Release fee cannot exceed $20M; multiple high bidders can negotiate.

  96. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Is the tax on Tanaka going to be equal to the 50 plus million the Rangers spent on posting fees

    It doesn’t have to. The Yankees are spending 70 million more than Texas without even counting tax.

  97. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    There was no “bidding” on Tanaka. It was posted as the fee for his services IF you signed him. Every team in MLB had the opportunity to negotiate with him knowing they would have to pay $ 20 M more if they reached an agreement.

    I never saw a report Toronto had won the bidding. I did see several reports that they were the favorites to win the bidding.

    But it doesn’t matter. If two teams out of 32 made that huge of a bid it doesn’t make all the others boneheads. that’s what set me off in the first place… childish name-calling based on revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight.

  98. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    say NO to Cano says:
    May 15, 2014 at 2:41 pm
    Glad to see you’re okay, blake. Hope your family is good, too. You weren’t here for a period of time.

    Yea took a break for awhile there ….everybody good ..thanks for asking

  99. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    blake….the taxable money doesn’t tell the story. Is the tax on Tanaka going to be equal to the 50 plus million the Rangers spent on posting fees.. That’s a weak sheltered argument in my mind…”

    It’s what the Yankees care about though…..money is money yes but nobody likes to pay taxes

  100. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    childish name-calling based on revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight.

    But for some of us its not revisionist or 20/20 hindsight. If you’re for the player before they go anywhere, its not 20/20 to rake the team over the coals for not doing what you want.

  101. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    “But it doesn’t matter. If two teams out of 32 made that huge of a bid it doesn’t make all the others boneheads. that’s what set me off in the first place… childish name-calling based on revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight”

    It’s not revisionist history because I and others said it would take more than Dice K to win the bid beforehand …..and it did

  102. hardwired7 May 15th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    14-pitch AB for Bogaerts vs. Hughes, including 8 straight 2-strike foul balls.

    Phil still looking for that putaway pitch. Such a good guy. I hope he develops it.

  103. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    It doesn’t matter how many teams bid a number…..it only takes 1 to set a market

  104. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    “Phil still looking for that putaway pitch. Such a good guy. I hope he develops it.”

    Doubt he will…..however some of those 2 strike homers should turn in to fly outs at target field and that’ll help him

  105. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Hughes has a 3.69 era at the moment btw……3/24 for him in that park is a bargain

  106. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Phil Hughes is throwing 86% fastballs

  107. blake May 15th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Jerkface says:
    May 15, 2014 at 2:54 pm
    Phil Hughes is throwing 86% fastballs

    It’s his best pitch…..might as well….throw fastballs and hope the fly balls stay in that airport

  108. Chambliss May 15th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Hughes would be the second best pitcher on the
    Yankees at the moment.

  109. MTU May 15th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Hughes should have learned the split.

  110. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Some here might remember when Fernando Vanezuela hit the seen in 81 with his screwball, he was out of sight with the screwball. He was 19 and was savvy enough to make adjustments after the league started to see him more. Tanaka will be faced with the same task

    Pat, pitchers do tend to adjust if the league catches up with them but the father of the screw ball, Carl Hubbel, stayed with it his whole career was very effective with it. Hubbel had great control over that pitch and could throw strikes with it or have it look like a strike and then break away from right hand hitters. if hitters lay off Tanaka’s splitter but he still gets it not to drop below the knees, the hitters will tend to still swing even if it drops below the strike zone.

  111. Jerkface May 15th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Hughes should have learned the split.

    It continues to be the biggest ‘gimme’ in terms of marrying a pitch to a pitcher. It makes far too much sense for Hughes not to take it.

    1. Hitters aren’t used to it, its a rare pitch
    2. Its very strong in the current MLB
    3. It works extremely well off a fastball
    4. Phil Hughes is almost all fastball so why not use a pitch designed specifically to work off a fastball
    5. It will allow him to ditch his crappy change
    6. It moves his curveball to a show me grab a strike pitch which is where it belongs because no one is fooled by it ever except minor leaguers maybe

  112. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    I almost think Hughes has to have tried a split before……maybe he just can’t throw one…..it’s always seemed like a good fit for what he does

  113. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    The market is not the same thing as the highest bid.

    There wasn’t a “market” for Cano at $ 200 M, there was one team.

    Yes, there were some who thought the Darvish fee could surpass the one for Daisuke, but no one thought Darvish would sign for similar or less $$$. I remember talk of $ 15-18 M and that’s probably what the Yanks based their bid (reportedly $ 12-15 M) on.

    I suppose they could have just bid $ 60M and told Darvish six years @ $ 9M take it or leave it.

    I still like this system much better. If they want a player they go get him, period.

  114. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    “There wasn’t a “market” for Cano at $ 200 M, there was one team”

    No it was 240 million…..the market for a player is what you have to pay to get them

  115. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    What folks think a player is worth isn’t their market…..what any one team is willing to pay for them is their market

  116. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Not everyone can throw a split. Must have an unusually large natural gap between your index and middle fingers…. and then be able to command it and make it move.

  117. mick May 15th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Kay looking to stir up controversy re: Phil Jax and Dolan.
    Sez: P Jax overruled by Dolan, money issues.

  118. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Hankinflorida. I met Carl Hubbel when I was 10 at The Polo Grounds in 1962. I remember clearly that he couldn’t shake hands like a normal person because his arm was twisted inward from throwing all the screwballs. Basically his palm faced outward rather than inward. Of course I was told all about him and his great All Star game….Fernando was incredible in 81 and actually for a few years until he started to breakdown and guys were on to him.

  119. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    mick….No way the smart Kerr was going to sign on to the Circus that is The Garden, and I don’t mean Ringling’s ……Jackson is going to tell Dolan to stick it and it’ll be way before the contract ink even gets dry…….

  120. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Let me try it this way —-

    The market is what a normal buyer, facing no undo pressure would pay for a product or service.

    A highly motivated buyer may pay well over market for other reasons, but that doesn’t change what the true market value is.

    If someone desperate for housing buys my neighbors house for three times its value my house doesn’t triple in value.

    the Mariners were motivated to grossly overpay Cano. so he got a ton of money, but it didn’t change his market value per se

  121. say NO to Cano May 15th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    This has nothing to do with Dolan. Kerr took the money. Jax didn’t want to give it to him. Simple.

  122. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    I have been ranting that now that the Yankee starting pitching looks like 2010 to 2012, this team has to score close to 850 runs to play in October. Does anyone think this team can do it if Beltran can play and baring any other injuries?

  123. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    “The market is what a normal buyer, facing no undo pressure would pay for a product or service”

    No….with regards to baseball…..the market is almost always whatever the highest bidder is willing to bid. That’s how it works…..if you want a player you have to pay more or at least as much as what the other teams bidding are paying

  124. igotid88 May 15th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Hughes mowing down the Red Sox

  125. SweetSpot May 15th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Hughes is another ball player that wasn’t suited to the glare of the Broadway lights. It’s not for everyone.

  126. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    “the Mariners were motivated to grossly overpay Cano. so he got a ton of money, but it didn’t change his market value per se”

    Sure it did….they offered 240 so close to that number is what it would take to sign him. The Yankees could have signed Cano for 235 and passed……this isn’t housing…..because when you’re talking about a baseball player you don’t have another “house” right beside them that’s essentially the same thing that you can move on to and try to get cheaper…….especially for the upper level players the market is what teams will pay for them

  127. MTU May 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Hank-

    IMO they will not.

    They were drawn up to be a pitching first Team.

  128. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    SweetSpot says:
    May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Hughes is another ball player that wasn’t suited to the glare of the Broadway lights. It’s not for everyone.

    I think it’s mainly that he wasn’t suited for the ballpark that’s in the bright broadway lights

  129. SweetSpot May 15th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    That’s part of it. But the human element, the ability to quiet the noise is not the same for everyone.

  130. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    I hope Almonte is in the lineup tonight

  131. blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    SweetSpot says:
    May 15, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    That’s part of it. But the human element, the ability to quiet the noise is not the same for everyone.

    I don’t think NY was a good fit for Hughes for a lot of reasons……I expect him to be well worth the 24 million the Twins paid him

  132. igotid88 May 15th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    SweetSpot says:
    May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Hughes is another ball player that wasn’t suited to the glare of the Broadway lights. It’s not for everyone.
    ——-

    No. It was more the stadium where lazy flyballs became homeruns.

  133. MTU May 15th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    I’ll catch you guys later.

  134. SweetSpot May 15th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    It looks that way Blake. Very low key market, not much stress, reduced expectations. New York is a unique animal.

  135. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Pat, you are right that Hubbel’s left arm had to be distorted from throwing screwballs as it was a very damaging pitch to throw. I loved to go to the Polo Grounds to see him pitch and still remember his slow delivery similar to Tanaka. If Tanaka can have a career like Carl Hubbel, the Yankees would be very lucky as he lasted many years, and the splitter like the screw ball is a stressful pitch and can cause an arm injury.

  136. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    I agree…

    Hughes needed a big ballpark, like most fly ball pitchers. NYC didn’t kill him, RCF did

  137. Brian May 15th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
    Hankinflorida. I met Carl Hubbel when I was 10 at The Polo Grounds in 1962. I remember clearly that he couldn’t shake hands like a normal person because his arm was twisted inward from throwing all the screwballs. Basically his palm faced outward rather than inward. Of course I was told all about him and his great All Star game….

    —————————

    He was left handed. Did he shake hands with his left hand for some reason?

  138. 86w183 May 15th, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    I’m done… off to market!

    have a day

  139. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Sweetstop……The game is much easier when you’re relaxed and don’t think too much. Hughes started to overthink his position and role on the NY Yankees almost a sense of owing the organization some return after the medical setbacks. Even with all the detours and wrong turns I still maintain he wins 200 games in the Bigs. Shame is he was really something ( as was Kennedy ) while they were fast tracking their way through the Minors. These guys were really could have been dynamite if things were just a little different back in 2008

  140. tomingeorgia May 15th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    All the talk about market price: Gold and shares of stock are freely traded, with thousands or millions of potential buyers and sellers. Major league all-star second basemen have only thirty prospective buyers, driven by highly secular motives, and less by “market forces”, thus the “value” estimated is subjective. There may be a “market value” for fungible utility infielders, but superstars fall into an entirely different class, determined by what the biggest sucker is willing to pay.

  141. Giuseppe Franco May 15th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    blake May 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    I think it’s mainly that he wasn’t suited for the ballpark that’s in the bright broadway lights

    —–

    That’s exactly what happened with Hughes. He’s an extreme fly ball pitcher who pitched half his starts in a bandbox.

    The RAB referenced piece yesterday was on the mark explaining how the Yanks have an entire rotation of ground ball pitchers but have terrible infield defense.

    The “he couldn’t handle NY” argument regarding Hughes is nonsense.

  142. Giuseppe Franco May 15th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Sweetstop……The game is much easier when you’re relaxed and don’t think too much.

    —–

    LOL…okay, I damn near sprayed my monitor and keyboard after reading that line.

  143. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Brian….I remember both he ( Hubbard ) and Joe Black ( I didn’t know who he was then ) signed by scorebook . Hubbard signed with a crooked arm and he would shake hands with his left hand, maybe it was a badge of honor of sorts. I was 10 and I was there to see Willie Mays……

  144. Tackelberry May 15th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Yanks will get a look at what could have been this Sunday as Gerritt Cole is slated to start against them

  145. Hankflorida May 15th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    MTU May 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
    Hank-
    IMO they will not.
    They were drawn up to be a pitching first Team.

    Unfortunately, I agree with you as this was a team built on pitching, but just as Solarte is a surprise, I am hoping that this team can score close to 850 runs as that is more likely then our pitching turning around.

  146. Pat M. May 15th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Senior Franco….I hope in a good way

  147. bigdan22 May 15th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    –Peter O’Brien. 6 games. 6 SOs. 0 Walks. OBP .259 Slugging .741. Two passed balls today

    –Slade Heathcott first game of year, CF 0-4, Mason Williams MIA?

    –Taylor Dugas three more hits, .430 OBP for “Gardner” without the SOs

    –Game ends a pinch hit DP by Sanchez with bases loaded. Trenton loses 4-2

    Our big boys need to do better before the trade deadline.

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    ESPN and other pundits are preaching the inevitable decline of Solarte. I don’t think he’s a HOF just yet, but he’s not regressing yet. I love this kid!

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