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Cashman: Sabathia likely out until July

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 19, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CC SabathiaJoe Girardi was vague yesterday when he said CC Sabathia’s knee injury would take more than 15 days to heal properly. Today, Brian Cashman provided a little more clarity.

The Yankees expect Sabathia to miss at least six weeks after having a stem cell injection on Thursday. If things go well, the Yankees believe they’ll have Sabathia back in the rotation in early July.

“Could it be sooner, yeah,” Cashman said. “But I think this is a more likely and accurate scenario.”

Cashman said Sabathia has been on crutches since the procedure just to keep weight off the knee, but the crutches should be gone within a day or two. He will then begin a rehab process that starts with pool work, and then a flat ground throwing program, then bullpens, then a minor league rehab assignment to get stretched out. The time table is a little bit uncertain, but six weeks seems to be the best estimate.

“They don’t have any real certain time,” Cashman said. “It’s somewhat of a new protocol, so they don’t have any predictability yet in terms of consistent, it kicks in after X-amount of time. They have conveyed that the longer you can give it, the more effective the procedure.”

With Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda also on the disabled list, Cashman said he’s scoured the trade market, but trades are always difficult this early in the season.

“If you could force something externally, we would have done that already,” Cashman said.

For now, the Yankees will stick with Hiroki Kuroda, David Phelps, Vidal Nuno and Chase Whitley rounding out the rotation. Cashman said the team is prepared to stretch out Adam Warren if necessary. They’d rather not lose the bullpen weapon, but rotation alternatives are running thin.

“That’s something we may very well have to do at some point,” Cashman said.

Sabathia is signed for another two seasons, plus a vesting option for 2017.

“We’re going to have to wait and play it out,” Cashman said. “Whether you’re worried about things or not, it’s not going to change what it is.”

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50 Responses to “Cashman: Sabathia likely out until July”

  1. mick May 19th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Cashman said the team is prepared to stretch out Adam Warren if necessary.
    ====================================
    When Kelley gets back with Dellin in the 6-7th inning, not a bad idea.

  2. bigdan22 May 19th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    As I’m sure you all know, I’ve been saying Warren should be a starter since ST. Right now, he has the second best starter stuff on the roster. I’m glad the Yanks are at least still thinking of him as a starter. That bodes well for next year.

    But I think for Warren to leave the bullpen this year, one of Phelps/Whitley/Nuno will have to fail. And the Yanks will also need a bullpen arm to replace Warren. I don’t think Kelly will be enough. Need someone from Scranton to step up.

  3. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Warren is no better than Phelps as a starter. He is the one who people should be clamoring for to stay in the pen… not Betances.

  4. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Hi Dan and Mick

    With 4 pitches in his arsenal,definitely Warren is the best option to start. However they need to find another two arms for the pen, one for Warren and for the totally ineffective lefty, Thornton.

    Forget Sabathia. The longer he avoids strenuous exercise the more time the stem cells will have uninterrupted time to generate new cartilage.

  5. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    How long before Girardi allows Ramirez, Montgomery or Burawa into the circle of trust? They have these arms there ready to be tested, but Girardi will have them in the pen wallowing away while he keeps throwing Thornton out there.

    I still can’t believe they spent $7 million on Thornton. SMH.

  6. say NO to Cano May 19th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Agreed. Betances only has 2-3 pitches in his arsenal. 2 quality pitches makes for a better reliever than starter. Warren has numerous pitches of which to attack a batter.

  7. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    You can’t really take Warren out of the pen until one of those guys from the minors is allowed in the circle of trust.

    (Every time I say ‘circle of trust’ I do that ‘Sharkbait, ooh ha ha’ chant from Finding Nemo.)

  8. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Tar

    Two things I liked about Phelps last season, were his pickoff move and his ability to work fast.

    This year,especially the last game, it was torture watching him circle the mound and continuously shake off McCann.

  9. hardwired7 May 19th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    For anyone wondering, CC’s 2017 option hinges on his left shoulder. Any other injury will have no impact on the option:

    “2017 salary guaranteed if he 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury”

  10. UnKnown May 19th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    “I really don’t care if he’s completely covered in pine tar as along as he can pitch.”

    Shame I’d actually PREFER if he was. Love guys who try to be the best they can be. Winning trumps all. :grin:

  11. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    hardwired – Yeah, I had posted something similar a few days back. We’ll get no salary relief on that deal but at least they could get real dollars back from insurance if he can’t pitch for extended periods.

    I think we’re going to spend the remainder of the first half talking about available pitchers and probably will do the same for the second half and entirety of the off season. I wish there was another Tanaka in the IFA market.

  12. UnKnown May 19th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    “When there’s defensive fail early in the game, especially an infield fail, which is also only likely to cost one run at best, it really isn’t all that meaningful because the team giving up that run has 15 to 20 more outs left to use. A baseball game has so many natural ebbs and flows that one run early in the game is not that impactful.”

    Probably the most mindless drivel and load of crap ever posted on here. That is really quite an accomplishment. Holy Lord. :shock:

  13. NYY_Girl_Penny May 19th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    CC is no different from any of these HUGE contract players. It’s like once they get paid they rest on their laurels and don’t care anymore. Just watch Cano the next couple of years, I bet you he has some mysterious injury like a strained timeoffika, vacationa spur, or a sofilthyrichlostmydrive..

    I have to give the RedSox credit, they don’t seem to give these crazy contracts to anyone. At first I thought it was because they have no loyalty (probably true) but now when I consider the facts, it’s actually a very smart business move. Our problem is our org chases their tails and learned the difference between a Home run and a foul ball AFTER they took over the club.. if they have no passion for the game, how could they put passion on the field ?

    We need this guy…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWsB_70RksE (can’t stop laughing)

  14. say NO to Cano May 19th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Winning trumps all, yes it does. So taking pleasure in the injury of others shouldn’t be frowned upon. :D

  15. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    You can’t really take Warren out of the pen until one of those guys from the minors is allowed in the circle of trust.
    —————————-

    Sure you can. Once Kelley is back you push Betances to the 7th.

  16. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Tar

    Two things I liked about Phelps last season, were his pickoff move and his ability to work fast.

    This year,especially the last game, it was torture watching him circle the mound and continuously shake off McCann.”

    Yeah it wasn’t his typical start. And you’re right he has a great pick-off move. I like Phelps as a middle rotation guy. Warren is the one that I think should stay in the pen.

    But the Yankees need another front line starter… and there is only one person who fits that bill currently.

  17. mick May 19th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Pineda will be back soon enough and if Phelps doesn’t pick it up could move back into the pen.
    Warren could start when Betances takes over the 8th but he might be more valuable like Mo was as the 2 inning set up man with Kelley back in the 8th on Dellin’s off days.

  18. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    How does Oakland ” mine” all their terrific starting pitching?

    Two years ago, they allow every starter to leave by free agency or trade, now lose two to season ending surgery, and still motor along with the AL leading staff, not to mention the best offense.

  19. mick May 19th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    SP: Tanaka, Kuroda, Pineda, Warren, Nuno/Whitley

    RP: DRob, Betances, Kelley, Phelps, Aceves, Thornton, Daley

  20. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Not a lot of options within the organization at this time.

    I guess they could send Warren to Scranton to start once Kelly is back, but I don’t like changing a pitchers role during the season.

    If Cashman wanted to entice another team to send him a quality arm, he certainly has assets to dangle in front of them — Almonte, Betances, Warren, Sanchez, Murphy, Ramirez, Pinder, Judge, Severino, and so on

    But as long as they’re hanging around first place they won’t move any of those players.

  21. mick May 19th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Warren is much further along than Phelps and deserves to start and I believe will sometime this season and definitely next.
    They might make a big splash for Scherzer so will need another starter and Warren will be the man.
    He’s too good to waste in the pen and will be a success wherever he pitches.

  22. UnKnown May 19th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I wonder if the Tigers get over the hump this year and bring home the “Ship”. I really thought that they blew it the last few years because as we all know you only get so many chances to cash in. But they look better this year than any of the previous few years.

  23. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Pineda will be back in a couple of weeks. Phelps has looked better now that he’s back in a regular routine (2.93 in 3 starts) and now that he’s up to 100 pitches he should be able to work deeper.

    Whitley looked good in his one start and should push Nuno for time going forward at which point you’re not too bad off:

    Tanaka, Pineda, Kuroda, Phelps, Whitley as the starters with a tremendous pen backing them up.

  24. mick May 19th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    If Cashman wanted to entice another team to send him a quality arm, he certainly has assets to dangle in front of them — Almonte, Betances, Warren, Sanchez, Murphy, Ramirez, Pinder, Judge, Severino, and so on
    ==================
    Those days are over, Hal has more sense than that. As far as Lee is concerned, don’t confuse Hal with Hank or their Dad.

  25. mick May 19th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Phelps appears like a journeyman of late.
    He will not overpower and his control has to be pinpoint.

  26. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Sure you can. Once Kelley is back you push Betances to the 7th.

    ——————

    I don’t like Kelley in the late innings at all. I don’t like his stuff and overall don’t consider him to be a very good reliever.

  27. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Chip

    Still need a better lefty in the pen. I wonder how many inherited runners Thornton has allowed to score?

  28. mick May 19th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Kelley is fine.

  29. bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    I like how now that Betances has his walk rate down, the line is that he could turn into a pumpkin after 2 innings.

  30. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    I mean if Kelley is going to be the 3-4 ERA guy he’s been his whole career, aren’t we better off trying someone with more potential?

    This wouldn’t be as much of an issue if Girardi were willing to do the whole trial by fire thing every now and then.

  31. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Sure you can. Once Kelley is back you push Betances to the 7th.

    ——————

    I don’t like Kelley in the late innings at all. I don’t like his stuff and overall don’t consider him to be a very good reliever.
    ——————

    Fair enough, but that’s not going to change regardless of whether Warren’s there or not.

  32. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    I do like the idea of Whitley and Nuno continuing to sort of battle it out… I think either could be pretty effective pen arms. Nuno has the advantage of being a LHP and Whitley has that insane change. Command is the key for both of them to be successful, s’far as I can tell.

  33. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    Fair enough, but that’s not going to change regardless of whether Warren’s there or not.

    ————-

    Right but Warren being out there means less meaningful innings for Kelley and in my mind that’s a good thing. Problem again is Girardi not letting the kids get their IPs. How much more effective could Warren have been last year if employed more often and not just in mop up duty?

  34. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Warren has never been, at any level, a better starting pitcher than Phelps.

    So sure, if another Phelps or worse starting pitcher will change the Yankee’s fortunes…. go for it.

    Personally I think its going to take a lot more than that.

  35. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Warren has never been, at any level, a better starting pitcher than Phelps.

    So sure, if another Phelps or worse starting pitcher will change the Yankee’s fortunes…. go for it.

    Personally I think its going to take a lot more than that.
    ———————

    They aren’t moving Betances to the rotation.

  36. Against All Odds May 19th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    It’s like once they get paid they rest on their laurels and don’t care anymore.

    —————–

    Yea he rested on his laurels so much that he lost weight to ensure that he would live longer man what a pos.

  37. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Nice background info on Chase Whitley

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....rk-yankees

  38. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    “They aren’t moving Betances to the rotation.”

    Apparently not. I guess something about Warren screams missing piece/ Post Season starter in their ear.

  39. austinmac May 19th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Warren throws 2-3 mph faster than Phelps. That is comparing when they both were starters and both in the pen. His secondary stuff is at least as good. Warren is, in my opinion, better and will be going forward.

    Betances could be the second coming of Randy Johnson, but we will never know this year. Not happening. For one, he is too valuable helping to cover for all the five inning starts. Second, they are too busy patting themselves on the back for the brilliant move to the pen to reverse course.

  40. say NO to Cano May 19th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    They will never let Betances to the rotation go, or let Montero is the next Mickey Mantle go. It’s a sad way to live as a fan, burdened with such delusion.

  41. austinmac May 19th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    No one can criticize CC for his injury. He is as tough a competitor as they come. Much like Jeter, time waits for no one. CC carried a lot of weight for many years. That harms knee joints. No surprise here.

    I see no way on earth they can trade for a decent pitcher before July. I would just as soon they keep throwing out these guys to adding some vet off the scrap heap. Honestly, except for lack of length, the fill ins have not been too awful.

  42. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    “Warren throws 2-3 mph faster than Phelps. That is comparing when they both were starters and both in the pen. His secondary stuff is at least as good. Warren is, in my opinion, better and will be going forward.”

    I think they are similar, but Phelps is better IMO. . Warren wasn’t throwing as hard as a starter. But anyway Phelps has historically slightly better numbers than Warren. And let’s not forget the Yankees tabbed Phelps to start before Warren, so they must think he’s a better starter as well.

  43. say NO to Cano May 19th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Time waits for David Ortiz, Tom Brady, Celtic Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, Zdeno Chara. What do they all have in common?

  44. Giuseppe Franco May 19th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Against All Odds May 19th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    It’s like once they get paid they rest on their laurels and don’t care anymore.

    —————–

    Yea he rested on his laurels so much that he lost weight to ensure that he would live longer man what a pos.

    —–

    I’ve always thought that was such a cowardly argument, questioning a ballplayer’s character like that. Those accusations tend to be muttered most often by people who watch games eating pizza and drinking beer.

    These guys are professional athletes who have played ball most if not all of their lives perfecting their craft.

    They have pride and they care when they struggle. Nobody wants to go out there and lay an egg on national TV. It’s even worse for starting pitchers who have to wait 5 days after a bad performance before they have another opportunity to redeem themselves.

    Besides, it’s not like Sabathia “weighed” the options of losing a few pounds or a significant drop in his velocity and he chose the latter.

    Losing velocity was an unintended consequence of losing a lot of weight and improving his health/conditioning.

  45. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Chip

    Still need a better lefty in the pen. I wonder how many inherited runners Thornton has allowed to score?
    ———————-

    Yankees have been looking for a solid LHRP since they let Mike Stanton go:

    Mike Myers
    Ron Villone
    Rick White
    Sean Henn
    Phil Coke
    Damaso Marte
    Felix Heredia
    Boone Logan
    Alan Embree

  46. austinmac May 19th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    I think rather than adding a starter or converting someone else, I expect the team to work with keeping the bullpen fresh and hope the fill ins can give 5-6 acceptable innings more times than not. All the relievers one hopes to see will be up eventually as soon as they figure out the 40 man.

  47. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    I wouldn’t mind leaving Chicago with Luis Valbuena as part of the team.

  48. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Some pitchers to watch if their teams fall out of it:

    James Shields – Royals (this year’s Matt Garza)
    Cliff Lee – Phillies
    Brandon McCarthy – Arizona
    Jorge De la Rosa – Colorado
    John Danks – White Sox

  49. shaistyone May 19th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I think the issue with the current rotation is that Tanaka is the only lights-out starter. The rest are certainly serviceable, but what you’re really hoping for is 6IP/3ER out of them. Even if that works out, that is going to be a grind given the offensive inconsistencies. Not to mention, a LOT of pressure on the bullpen.

    As far as new relievers go, Pat Venditte is on fire this year. I think he’s given up 2-3 runs in around 20 innings, and he struck out 5 in a row in his first game at SWB last night.
    That gives you a situational lefty and a situational righty at the same time…

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