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Girardi: “We know we have a long way to go”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 19, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi

The Yankees have an inexperienced bullpen, an aging infield and 60 percent of their rotation on the disabled list. Their right fielder might need surgery, their Opening Day starter might need surgery, and they’ve already lost a 27-year-old to Tommy John.

But right now they’re in first place.

It means nothing in the bigger picture — there are no bonus points for leading the division on May 19 — but for the time being, it means that whatever’s happened these past seven weeks has actually been enough. The Yankees have been perhaps inconsistent, but they have not been so bad that they’ve put themselves in an inescapable hole. They’re in fine shape as long as they play well the rest of the way.

“It sure beats the alternative of not being in first,” manager Joe Girardi said. “But we know we have a long way to go.”

Pirates Yankees BaseballQuestion is whether the Yankees can play well the rest of the way. The bullpen has been an unexpected strength, Masahiro Tanaka’s been incredible, Michael Pineda seems to be progressing from that back/shoulder injury, and if there’s a position where the Yankees might have the short-term depth to make up for a long-term injury it’s probably right field where Alfonso Soriano, Ichiro Suzuki and Zoilo Almonte are already in place to fill in for Beltran.

But Brian McCann has underperformed, and the everyday middle infielders are OPSing in the mid-.600s, and yesterday’s doubleheader split was a pretty solid example of the way this team can do what’s necessary to win one game, then turn around and blow opportunities the next game. But if there’s one concern overshadowing everything else, I have to think it’s the pitching staff. This is a team whose GM says that starting pitching is the “key to the kingdom,” yet right now the Yankees have Tanaka and a bunch of uncertainty. Hiroki Kuroda has lost his familiar consistency, David Phelps and Vidal Nuno are fifth-starter candidates turned middle-of-the-rotation keystones, and Chase Whitley is about to make the 16th start of his professional career. At any level.

“They’ve given us a lot of chances to win,” Girardi said. “We had a chance to win a doubleheader (yesterday). We won the game (Saturday). Obviously we’re dealing with some injuries in our rotation, but we had a chance to sweep the Pirates and we weren’t able to get it done. This was a playoff team last year that had done very well, with pretty much the same group of guys. We didn’t pitch too well the first two games of the home stand, but they had given us a chance most of the time to win games.”

The idea of trading for a pitcher makes a lot of sense, but supply and demand doesn’t only apply to economics. There aren’t many rotations overflowing with excess talent, but there are plenty of teams that would like to add a starter or two. Low supply and high demand makes this a seller’s market, and even a guy like Jeff Samardzija were to hit the trade market, the Cubs should and would ask for both the sun and the moon in return.

So here we are, on May 19 with the Yankees in first place. It really is better than the alternative, but the only thing that’s really going to matter is whatever happens next.

“I feel good about where we are,” Dave Robertson said. “Of course we had a little rough spell where we lost a few games in a row, but we turned it around, won a few ballgames here, and now on the road hopefully we’ll pick up some more. But as far as first place goes, it’s way too early to be looking at the standings.”

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146 Responses to “Girardi: “We know we have a long way to go””

  1. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    The fact that this team has been able to tread water is promising. We’ve had a soft schedule that continues, so we need to rack up as many wins as possible right now.

    Biggest stories/surprises on the team right now are still Solarte and Tex. Tanaka is amazing but I expected him to be this good, tbh. Tex looks like a new ballplayer. I argued with dan that he’d be our best INFer, but I didn’t think it would be by such a wide margin. His production has been a huge boost.

  2. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    If I’m Brian Cashman I gotta at least call Theo and ask him what collection of young players he would want for Jeff Samardija.

    My guess is it would be something like Warren, Betances, Sanchez and Judge. That would be too much for me.

    Thoughts? Should they inquire about Masterson? He has not been very good this year. Others?

  3. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    I know it’s early (43g) but how about this comparison:

    Solarte .313, 5 HR, 24 RBI, .887 OPS

    Cano .318, 1 HR, 24 RBI, .771 OPS

    Who woulda thunk it?

  4. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Id rather go after Lee than JS…..he’s better and I don’t think he’d cost as much in prospects either. Offer to take all the money…..he’s worth it.

  5. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Who woulda thunk it?”

    Can’t figure baseball Suzyn. If guess it’ll end up closer to the opposite of that though

  6. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    My guess is it would be something like Warren, Betances, Sanchez and Judge. That would be too much for me.

    —————

    Don’t the Cubs need young OFers to go with their young INFers…?

  7. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    JS isn’t controlled long enough for me to give a lot forhim….he’s not a sure thing IMO anyway…..Id rather get the guy I know is an ace and can pitch anywhere. CLIFF LEE

  8. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    The good news is that the Yanks are in first place…..te bad news is that they haven’t been able to take advantage of the rough starts by Boston and TB……it’s gonna be a dog fight all season but if Tex keeps hitting and they can get their pitching straightened out I think they have a chance to win the division

  9. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    I’d trade any OFer in the system.

  10. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    My guess is that every call Cashman makes between now and July 31 the voice on the other end of the phone is going to say “John Ryan Murphy and Dellin Betances”

  11. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Chip says:
    May 19, 2014 at 9:31 am
    My guess is that every call Cashman makes between now and July 31 the voice on the other end of the phone is going to say “John Ryan Murphy and Dellin Betances”

    Yup….most likely. Betances’s stock is likely very high right now in particular

  12. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    May 19, 2014 at 9:30 am
    I’d trade any OFer in the system.

    I know he’s farther away but I think Judge is the one Id least want to trade

  13. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Chip says:
    May 19, 2014 at 9:31 am
    My guess is that every call Cashman makes between now and July 31 the voice on the other end of the phone is going to say “John Ryan Murphy and Dellin Betances”

    Yup….most likely. Betances’s stock is likely very high right now in particular
    ——————————

    While I’ve often said that any relief pitcher not named Mariano is essentially fungible – I would have a very hard time parting with Betances. I could very easily see him being the Yankees closer for the next 10 years.

  14. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I agree Lee is more of a sure thing. I’m just not convinced the Phils are moving him just 3.5 games back.

    Samardija seems very competitive and might thrive pitching where things matter. He might also be amenable to an extension.

    As with all things it comes down to price.

  15. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    “Samardija seems very competitive and might thrive pitching where things matter. He might also be amenable to an extension.”

    I think the competition for him will be pretty fierce though…..theo is hard to deal with. He’d help fore sure…..I just need to see the price tag.

  16. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    agree that holding on to Betances should be the priority. Losing a top catcher (Murphy or Sanchez) wouldn’t bother me as much because we have McCann and would still have Romine plus the other of Murphy/Sanchez not in the deal.

    One of those two catchers is bound to get traded anyway.

  17. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    I dunno how much demand there will be for guys lower in the system, but I’d really part with any of them given the contracts we have on the books.

    I’d really not want to move Betances. The good things is that perhaps they can push Warren as he’s taken on the more key role.

  18. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    “While I’ve often said that any relief pitcher not named Mariano is essentially fungible – I would have a very hard time parting with Betances. I could very easily see him being the Yankees closer for the next 10 years.”

    Yes…..Id trade him but the return would have to be really sweet…..

  19. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Sanchez and Banuelos for Utley and Lee?

  20. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Sanchez, Banuelos and Mason Williams for Utley and Lee?

  21. blake May 19th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    The fit for trading Betances would be tough too……non contenders aren’t gonna give a lot for a closer…..so you’d have to find a contender that need a back end bullpen arm that also has the pieces you’d need to actually trade him…….I can’t think of such a team off hand. Maybe Texas ……

  22. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Adding Utley and Lee would certainly help this season – but they both are old and both come with injury problems and are under contract beyond this season.

    That said, I would probably do the deal and hope for the best.

  23. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Blake –

    I don’t know – I think a non-contender might deal for Betances and try to take the second half of the season to turn him into a starter and if it doesn’t work they can deal him as a reliever to a contender next year.

  24. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    I’m on board with getting a pitcher, a #3 at the minimum. Who knows if we will see Sabathia again this season? Pineda is not a sure thing to last the entire season.

    I’d trade one of the current position players not named Solarte who are playing well, while their trade value is high. Ideally it would be Tex, but he has a full NTC, so look at Gardner.

    Don’t trade your pitchers who are producing.

  25. Mottsx May 19th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Could probably get Masterson for a lot less

  26. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Anyway, I have to go. Most likely no trades will be made this early in the season, especially for top flight pitching.

    Until later.

    Have a great day.

    BTW, why are they talking about surgery already for Sabathia. Haven’t given enough time for stem cells to even work. He must be in too much pain.

  27. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Mottsx May 19th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Could probably get Masterson for a lot less
    —————-

    Doubtful. Masterson will have a lot more teams lining up for him given his age and the fact that he’s likely going to command a lower AAV as a FA this winter than Lee will be earning.

  28. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Beltran heading to visit Dr. Andrews – that’s not good.

  29. bruceb May 19th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Biggest concern as I see it now is that the Yanks (especially without Beltran) don’t have enough offensively to blow teams out of the water…and that means we’ll continue to depend heavily on the pen to nail down the games we have a lead in.

    Saturday’s 7-1 win was an aberration. Think the Pirates went 1 for 9 with RISP and only some late runs allowed Joe G. to use Daley in the 9th rather than Robertson.

    As for the SP, what happens if and when Tanaka hits a bump in the road? Remember, without him we’d be a sub-500 team.

    So far so good…other teams in the AL East have as many problems as us. Hopefully, the Rays are digging themselves too big a hole to get out of – and the Sox were outclassed by the Tigers this weekend– but it’s still very much a five-horse race. Jays have the hitting, but not the pitching. Orioles are better balanced but don’t have an ace to carry them.

  30. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Masterson would be a bit risky because he has not been good this year… but there aren’t many more attractive possibilities.

    Don’t think the Phillies are bailing on the season at this time, but Cleveland might. If I’m Cleveland I want to attach Swisher’s or Bourne’s contract to a Masterson deal.

  31. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    If they don’t plan to retain him they could try to trade Robertson. But for a team like the Cubs, obviously Betances makes more sense.

  32. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:00 am
    Beltran heading to visit Dr. Andrews – that’s not good.

    ————–

    It might just mean surgery sooner rather than later which isn’t terrible. The Beltran deal was problematic. They waited too long to decide they wanted him.

  33. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    If they don’t plan to retain him they could try to trade Robertson. But for a team like the Cubs, obviously Betances makes more sense.
    ————————-

    I’m not entirely sure how much value D-Rob would have. We’ve seen the last couple of years that teams are not valuing closers as highly as they used to based on the success teams like St. Louis, San Fran and some others have had with patch work bullpens. Throw in that he’s an impending FA and it’s possible that right now Robertson has more value to the Yankees than he would in a trade.

  34. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Shame,

    Believe it or not, Robertson is just a guy you let play out the string and walk away. Much like they did with Wetteland.

  35. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Just an aside – Girardi handled that double header perfectly yesterday.

    He had to have the first game given the pitching matchup in the second game and so he pushed the right bullpen buttons to make sure that happened.

    Aceves is hot garbage.

  36. YankeeRay May 19th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    I may have missed this along teh way but just read about this kid Danile Carbonell from Cuba. Has anyone watched his video? Quite the body.

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....free-agent

  37. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Chip – If you can get something for him, you should. I’m still not sold on letting him walk, tbh. It really all depends on the team and their needs. A team like the O’s might end up being on the market for a closer, for example. They aren’t a match for Drob because we’d never trade with them, but that’s just the first example that comes to mind. It wouldn’t be the main piece in a deal, but if moving him protects you from losing an arm you have control over for a longer period of time it’s a no brainer.

  38. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    A friend of mine is an Oakland fan and keeps complaining about their pen. I dunno how on point that opinion is, but he said it’s lost them a few games. Maybe a team like that is one that’d be interested in adding an arm for the playoffs?

  39. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Shame –

    I keep going back to the winter after the 96 season on this one. Wetteland was a free agent (29 years old) and had just won WS MVP. The easy move was to bring him back and keep letting Mo set up for him but they let him walk and turned the job over to Rivera.

    Money wasn’t as big an issue for the Yankees then as it is now, even if it is only 3/30 that’s money they could spend other places than the pen given how deep they are with young arms: Betances could take over the closer spot and they would still have Kelley & Warren behind him with Jose Ramirez, Branden Pinder, Mark Montgomery and Danny Burawa in the mix.

    At the same time though – I don’t think you deal Robertson unless the return is substantial and I don’t know that sort of deal is out there for him.

  40. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Also the Yankees aren’t going to send Robertson to a team like Oakland that they’re going to be fighting for a playoff spot.

  41. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Incidentally – Jose Pirela is getting his swing back at AAA – I still think that if he can field at all the Yankees could plug him in at 2b if Roberts falls off.

  42. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    I’m not pushing hard one way or the other.. all I’m saying is I’d rather not part with Betances or Warren if it isn’t necessary. I’d rather deal Roberston > Warren > Betances, in that order, and maybe not Betances at all.

    I still think if DRob does a 3/30 deal, you might as well retain him and then possibly deal him when he’s just got a year left depending on how things shake out. But it all depends on the circumstances of other clubs. Right now Joe is still slotting Warren ahead of Betances on the depth chart so until it looks like Betances is really in line for the closer spot I’m not even giving it much thought.

  43. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:31 am
    Also the Yankees aren’t going to send Robertson to a team like Oakland that they’re going to be fighting for a playoff spot.

    ————–

    Not trading with any team in contention isn’t going to help them a ton… they have to be more open to this stuff. They need to believe in their own guys if they’re going to make a move like that. They might not even end up facing Oakland so making a move on what might be is kinda silly. I could understand not trading with a team in your division that you’re facing down the stretch, but if there’s a deal to be made they gotta start pulling the trigger.

    Again this is all supposition, I highly doubt they make any big moves at the deadline since they haven’t in many years.

    What was the last big time deal they made mid season?

  44. DONNYBROOK May 19th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    - MONDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) 7 weeks into the season, after having had an offseason of Rest, this is the Best we will see from Kuroda. His gradual but steady decline will soon result in what we witnessed last Sept from him.

    (2) Ichiro Not close to 100%. Gardner humming, “He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother” while covering the majority of RF for Ichi.

    (3) JR Murphy continues to demonstrate that he belongs in THE SHOW. Yankee fans waiting for the real McCann TO SHOW.

    (4) The Only way Aceves sticks, is if he pitches inside and Forces hitters to move around. Simply throwing strikes will Not do it with his limited arsenal.

    (5) I would guess that MLB has a “grooming code” for All it’s Umpires. Someone needs to refresh Balkin’ Bob Davidson with this MLB “grooming code” for umpires, while at the same time handing him an electric razor. Yesterday, Davidson looked like a man just returning from a 3 Day Bender. No comment on the call(s) this disheveled looking individual placed in a position of authority rendered.

  45. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    They wouldn’t have to trade for a starter if they would just give some kid named Betances a chance. Picking up a pen guy is a whole lot easier and cheaper than a front line starter…good luck with that.

  46. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Shame –

    Bringing in Soriano last year could qualify as a big deal and they were one David Adams ankle x-ray away from landing Cliff Lee a couple of years ago.

    Cashman has often said that he likes to stay away from mid-season deals because usually the price tag goes up exponentially.

    The problem with dealing with teams that are in contention is that neither team wants to help the other one out. If you’re trading D-Rob to Oakland you don’t want it to be for minor leaguers, you want it to be for someone who can fill your current needs as well and at the same time Oakland doesn’t want to help you improve.

  47. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    They wouldn’t have to trade for a starter if they would just give some kid named Betances a chance. Picking up a pen guy is a whole lot easier and cheaper than a front line starter…good luck with that.
    ———————

    8 years is a pretty good chance.

    I said it on Friday, Betances is not Joba. The Yankees didn’t move Betances to the pen as a way of fast tracking him to the majors. They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.

  48. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    I get the issue with those deals, but I think the Yanks just need to be open to getting better no matter who they’re dealing with. But that’s just me.

    So basically there aren’t any big mid-season moves in recent memory lol. Soriano was a salary dump and was a guy a few of us thought they should have targeted in the off season instead of Wells. He was a 4th OFer on last year’s team, too.

    Lee would be a big move if they could swing it. I just don’t know that they can or will. I’d rather have Samardzija if the Phillies are trying to target Sanchez + Manny. For the kinda money Lee has on his deal, the Phillies would really need to be ready to take B prospects across the board unless they’re eating a huge chunk of salary.

  49. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.”

    Or…. they moved him to the pen because they were so inept they didn’t realize that he had another option.

    He changed his mechanics, had at least 3 good starts but the dummys didn’t realize they had another year for him to work on it.

  50. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    If you’re going to be open to moving ManBan and Sanchez, I think you really need to get back a prime-aged guy.

    What blows right now is we need to trade for pitching. Again. So unless they can find a package deal that brings back a bat and a pitcher, we’re going to be short on one end or the other unless some of our guys start waking up and Beltran comes back as an All-Star.

  51. jmills May 19th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    chicken, so glad you’re coming up to Jay land, Shania Twain can’t wait to meet ya’. The Royals are in town, we can have a pick of seats. Don’t be disturbed about the overall state of fan erudition when we go. I like to sit behind home with the protection of the net when I blog, but its up to you.

  52. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    I still can’t wrap my head around the Carlos Beltran NTC either… they hand these things out like goodie-bags.

  53. 86w183 May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    They seemed to have seven starters when camp broke — CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, Nova, Pineda, Phelps and Nuno.

    They’ve lost three, thus Chase Whitley into the mix. I don’t think there’s anyone else to call up into the mix.

    A major deal probably won’t even be considered for another month or more.

  54. jmills May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Avro Lancaster bomber just took its regular trajectory over my house, she’s getting ready for that August Atlantic trip to, Britain. Four Rolls Royce engines tuned up with love. I’d love to be by her side!

  55. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.”

    Or…. they moved him to the pen because they were so inept they didn’t realize that he had another option.
    ———————–

    Option or not, he was atrocious in the upper minors as a starter.

  56. bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am
    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.

    They gave him pretty much zero chance pitching as a starter full time from the stretch, and with the shorter stride.

  57. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    I still can’t wrap my head around the Carlos Beltran NTC either… they hand these things out like goodie-bags.
    ———————

    Giving Beltran a NTC is a formality. The Yankees aren’t a team that subtracts from their roster – they never have been.

    The last time they did was when they sent Robin Ventura to the Dodgers for Scott Proctor and that trade only happened because they upgraded from Ventura to Aaron Boone and needed the roster spot.

  58. bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Shame Spencer May 19th, 2014 at 11:18 am
    I still can’t wrap my head around the Carlos Beltran NTC either… they hand these things out like goodie-bags.

    It’s standard, not just with the Yankees. Big contracts and veterans usually get no trades.

  59. bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    The Yankees failed to follow a standard “debugging” process. They changed 3 things pretty much at once, and when the situation improved they had no way of knowing which change(s) were responsible for the improvement. Although they think they do.

  60. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am
    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.

    They gave him pretty much zero chance pitching as a starter full time from the stretch, and with the shorter stride.
    ———————-

    That’s just not true – they did give him a chance and the problem was that he couldn’t maintain it for more than a couple of innings and then he would sit around for 4 days and have to fight to hold them his next time out. Everyone in baseball agreed for years that he was best suited in relief.

  61. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Option or not, he was atrocious in the upper minors as a starter.”

    Besides a high walk ratio, he was not even close to being “atrocious”. The high walk ratio was directly attributed to him being out of whack with his mechanics. They worked on his mechanics and and by the results I would say they fixed it.

    But they moved him to the pen anyway because he was out of options….. OH WAIT

  62. bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:24 am
    bbb51 May 19th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am
    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    They gave him every opportunity to succeed as a starter and moved him to the pen as a last resort.

    They gave him pretty much zero chance pitching as a starter full time from the stretch, and with the shorter stride.
    ———————-

    That’s just not true – they did give him a chance and the problem was that he couldn’t maintain it for more than a couple of innings and then he would sit around for 4 days and have to fight to hold them his next time out. Everyone in baseball agreed for years that he was best suited in relief.

    Wrong, he got hardly any starts with the new mechanics, certainly not enough to get used to them.

  63. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Option or not, he was atrocious in the upper minors as a starter.”

    Besides a high walk ratio, he was not even close to being “atrocious”. The high walk ratio was directly attributed to him being out of whack with his mechanics. They worked on his mechanics and and by the results I would say they fixed it.

    But they moved him to the pen anyway because he was out of options….. OH WAIT
    ———————–

    As a full time starter in 2012 in AA his ERA was 6.51 in AAA it was 6.39 and as a starter in 2013 in Scranton (with the new mechanics) he pitched to an ERA of 6.00.

    You and I have different definitions of atrocious.

  64. jmills May 19th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Given the mediocre state of the division, I get to stick around ! :D

  65. Jerkface May 19th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    That’s just not true – they did give him a chance and the problem was that he couldn’t maintain it for more than a couple of innings and then he would sit around for 4 days and have to fight to hold them his next time out. Everyone in baseball agreed for years that he was best suited in relief.

    Come on man, “Everyone in baseball agreed”???? Do we need this obviously false hyperbole. And he only got a handful of chances with the changed mechanics. He was pushed into relief because they thought he was out of options. If he had 1 more option he likely would have got more time to try it out.

    At any rate the changes worked, so they should try him as a starter because thats how you develop a starter.

  66. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    6.5 BB/9 Randy Johnson ( over 9 years in the minors)

    4.9 BB/9 Dellin Betances ( over 8 years in the minors)

    Randy johnson walked more per 9 than Dellin Betances did.

    Wow I bet RJ would have made a great relief pitcher….. stupid M’s.

  67. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Tar –

    Johnson spent 5 years in the minors, not 8.

    Other than walks Johnson’s other numbers at AAA were a lot better than Betances.

  68. UnKnown May 19th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Tar :lol:

  69. jmills May 19th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Randy Johnson, Go Expos!

  70. Chip May 19th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Jerkface –

    They’re not moving him back. He’s happy. The Yankees are happy.

    To make him a starter you’re going to remove him from the team entirely for at least a month, probably more, to get him stretched out. So then not only do you still have the same problems in the rotation, you’re now not as deep in the pen. And if it doesn’t work out, if he’s Daniel Cabrera and not Randy Johnson, then you’ve screwed with him and his confidence for nothing.

    He’s currently more helpful in his role than he would be as a starter and if he’s the Yankee closer for the next decade I can deal with that.

  71. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Tar –

    Johnson spent 5 years in the minors, not 8.”

    I posted the stats the BR has which covers over 9 seasons. Undoubtedly that includes rehab time.

    If I was to include just the first 5 years of his minor league career…. RJ’s walk ratio would be worse.

  72. Tar May 19th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    And those “atrocious” numbers include less then a hit per 9 and over a k per 9.

    It’s easy to see what hurt him.

  73. Jerkface May 19th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    To make him a starter you’re going to remove him from the team entirely for at least a month, probably more, to get him stretched out.

    Disagree here, he has thrown 40 pitches 3 times this year. He can go 60 in his first start, 80 the next start, 100 after that. So you piggy back him ontop of one of our crappy starters to stretch him for the 60, then he gets to start a game at 80. Easy.

    I know they won’t do it, but that doesn’t mean its not a good idea. We all know the Yankees can develop relievers. And we can all agree they have no idea how to develop starters.

    This is evidence of both.

  74. bruceb May 19th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Must be an off day…we’re back to the Betances should be a starter posts (boring) and hypothetical trades that aren’t going to happen, at least any time soon.

    Not that I have anything more interesting to contribute… :)

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