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Beltran to try to play; Drew to play for Boston

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 20, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

BeltranTwo significant developments while I was walking up the endless ramps to get to the Wrigley Field press box.

1. Carlos Beltran will try to play through his bone spur, according to Mark Feinsand. Beltran made it clear after he found out about the bone spur that he wanted to put off surgery as long as possible, hence the second cortisone injection. Sounds like it’s just a matter of how much pain Beltran feels and how much he can tolerate.

2. Stephen Drew has signed a major-league deal with the Red Sox. Boston was having trouble getting production from the left side of their infield — and the Red Sox were the only team not required to give up a draft pick — so they gave Drew basically the pro-rated qualifying offer that he turned down this winter. Will Middlebrooks has been awful as the Red Sox regular third baseman and Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been great.

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20 Responses to “Beltran to try to play; Drew to play for Boston”

  1. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    “Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.”

    Yup
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    I’m just getting sick of the nonsense. It’s almost as if there are people who think that the Yankees sit up at night trying to think of ways to take guys with frontline starter potential and reduce them to relievers. There are reasons why guys wind up in the pen. This is also the reason why prospect hugging is usually a bad move…because prospects don’t always pan out the way we (or the team) had hoped.

    I’m sure that Cashman and the Yankees would have loved for Brackman, Betances and Ramirez to work out and anchor the rotation for the next 6 years – it didn’t work out – so now they’re trying to get the most value they can from what these players actually are rather than clutching onto the dream of what we hoped they would be.

    I’ve been as critical of anyone about how the Yankees have had problems developing talent over the years – especially in pitching – but at least they’re not being stubborn with Betances and Ramirez the way they were with Christian Garcia – whom they kept in the rotation year after year after year rather than even attempting to transition him to relief to see if that would help him stay healthy.

  2. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Being able to tolerate pain is one thing – being able to play effectively with pain is something else entirely.

  3. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Johan Santana has June 1st opt out. Guess if he opts out he probably isn’t good enough to start at MLB level.

  4. champ809 May 20th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    repost-

    champ809 May 20th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
    Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.
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    The comment of the uneducated….. Delin was really good as a starter much more than he struggled as a starter in the minors. You should do you’re homework.

    Same with J Ram. His injury history is greatly exaggerated. Cueto gets hurt alot as a starter should the Reds consider switching him to relief?

  5. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    The Yankees never simplified his delivery, they never reduced his repertoire, they never shortened his stride until last year. Now they have done it, and it has worked. They barely got to see it as a starter because they thought he was out of options.

    I already said this a few times but this could be a great DEVELOPMENTAL WIN for the Yankees, an organization not known for being able to develop quality starting pitching. Instead they are content to develop relievers.

    Isn’t it funny that the moment they try something that works they move the guy to the pen?

    And as Champ points out he was good as a starter in A and AA. He struggled at AAA, and because of injury it took a long winding road to get him to the majors but he still has 1 option left and he has confidence and new mechanics.

    Perfect time to try him in the rotation. All time high on confidence and mechanical soundness. He only needs the FB and Curve to start and he can still throw his change a modest amount like most other 2 pitch starters in the majors.

  6. say NO to Cano May 20th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    More stupidity from the Yankees organization. Force the idiot to get the surgery.

  7. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    coincidence that Nardi Contreras gets a reduced role and a new pitching coordinator comes in and Betances gets meaningful changes that help him greatly?

    Time restraints forced him to the BP early, doesn’t mean he has to stay there.

  8. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Chip,

    I agree with you and disagree with you on the “failed” starters turned into relievers debate.

    Ramirez, who I’m very high on, just doesn’t stay healthy. If that arm can help us this season in the pen and he can get some much needed big league experience I’m all for it.

    I differ though in regards to Betances. I just can’t stop thinking what that arm and stuff going every 5th day could mean here. We’re looking at a future with no Kuroda, CC barely being able to crack a rotation here, Nova out until late next season and Pineda still trying to make it back from shoulder surgery.

    The mere tease of Betances in multiple innings combined with the utter tatters our rotation is now and in the future screams to many of us that we should make this kid a priority in the rotation until he proves he can’t do it.

    This might be blasphemy, but I’d rather have a 1-2 power K starter than a shot at the next Mo. And I hate that they are comparing Betances to Mo. I mean seriously? They talk about not putting pressure on him in the pen and then you hear Yankees mouthpieces like Kay and others comparing the trajectory to Mo. It’s stupid.

  9. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    And as Champ points out he was good as a starter in A and AA. He struggled at AAA, and because of injury it took a long winding road to get him to the majors but he still has 1 option left and he has confidence and new mechanics.
    —————————–

    So he was great in the low minors and brutal in the high minors and that gives you confidence about his ability to start moving up???

  10. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Leave the kid as a reliever. He’s confident now coming in and getting guys out. Why screw that up?

  11. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Chip,

    I agree with you and disagree with you on the “failed” starters turned into relievers debate.

    Ramirez, who I’m very high on, just doesn’t stay healthy. If that arm can help us this season in the pen and he can get some much needed big league experience I’m all for it.

    I differ though in regards to Betances. I just can’t stop thinking what that arm and stuff going every 5th day could mean here. We’re looking at a future with no Kuroda, CC barely being able to crack a rotation here, Nova out until late next season and Pineda still trying to make it back from shoulder surgery.

    The mere tease of Betances in multiple innings combined with the utter tatters our rotation is now and in the future screams to many of us that we should make this kid a priority in the rotation until he proves he can’t do it.

    This might be blasphemy, but I’d rather have a 1-2 power K starter than a shot at the next Mo. And I hate that they are comparing Betances to Mo. I mean seriously? They talk about not putting pressure on him in the pen and then you hear Yankees mouthpieces like Kay and others comparing the trajectory to Mo. It’s stupid.
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    G – I think that because we heard so much about Betances coming up as part of the Killer B’s we’re unwilling to let go of the dream.

    I don’t mean to compare him to Mo in saying that his career is going to be as great as Mo’s (that would be an insane comp) but in terms of what he provides now is unlike anything the Yankees have had since Mo in 96; a purely unhittable set up man who can shorten 3 games out of every 5.

    Who knows, maybe after this season the Yankees look at what they have. Ramirez, Burawa, Kelley and Pinder could all be potential closers. Kuroda will likely be gone, Nova may be non-tendered and CC will certainly be no better than he is now – so maybe they take the winter to work Betances back up to being a starter. Just as many pitchers became relievers when they failed as starters, so too did pitchers relieve for a year or two before becoming starters (Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano come to mind) but in either case it’s not an in-season move that the Yankees are going to make. They’re not going to take away their only real advantage in hopes of him transitioning mid-season into a dominant starter.

  12. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    So he was great in the low minors and brutal in the high minors and that gives you confidence about his ability to start moving up???

    He only really had 1 full season at AAA though. Hardly time for him to adjust and whatever. Basically because of his injury history he didn’t really get a chance to make AAA with enough time to adjust. He had to succeed immediately or his run would be over.

    Now we know the Yankees actually had 2 more years to develop him, but they miscalculated.

  13. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Leave the kid as a reliever. He’s confident now coming in and getting guys out. Why screw that up

    Because they don’t have to ‘screw that up’ to make him a starter? They can use the confidence and the getting guys out in the rotation. And if it doesn’t work well we already know he is a bomb ass reliever.

  14. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    coincidence that Nardi Contreras gets a reduced role and a new pitching coordinator comes in and Betances gets meaningful changes that help him greatly?

    Time restraints forced him to the BP early, doesn’t mean he has to stay there.
    ——————

    That’s entirely true – Johan and Liriano both relieved for a while before becoming full time starters – as have other pitchers. I do not believe it’s a move the Yankees would make during the season though.

    If I wanted to be generous about it – I would say there’s an 90% chance he’s the closer next year and 10% chance he’s in the rotation.

  15. champ809 May 20th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    AA baseball is not the low minors and he showed flashes in AAA as well.

    The larger issue is the Yanks inability on the development side bring these kids along and then they just quickly abandon the process and move these arms to the ‘pen.

    It’s completely asinine for Cashman to even make the comment that Banuelos could possibly help us out this year in the ‘pen.

    Banuelos should pitch the ENTIRE season in the minors this year moving up to Scranton for the second half and reaching 150 ip[. before he’s shut down. If he gets a sept. callup it should be just to travel with the team, experience the postseason atmosphere and begin the process of acclimating himself to big league life.

  16. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Chip, its not about the dream, its about the reality which is that he made changes and they are working and he has amazing stuff and major league hitters look like little leaguers at times in his at bats. If thats not a guy you can dream on as a starter what is? He has experience starting, he always just needed a little something to get him over the mechanics hump and now he has found it.

  17. mick May 20th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Let’s do the same thing to Betances we did with Joba.
    Yeah,that’s the ticket…

  18. Yankees_Fan May 20th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    I dont like this idea of Beltran. He will probably not be as effective as we need him to be and will probably need surgery when we will need him the most.

  19. Your Name Here May 20th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Bard….
    Joba….

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