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Pitching matchups at Cubs

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 20, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka, Brian McCann

This is a six-game stop in Chicago, with the first two games against the Cubs and the next four against the White Sox.

Tonight
RHP Masahiro Tanaka (6-0, 2.17)
vs.
RHP Jason Hammel (4-2, 3.06)
8:05 p.m., My9

Wednesday
RHP Chase Whitley (0-0, 0.00)
vs.
RHP Jeff Samardzija (0-4, 1.62)
2:20 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

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222 Responses to “Pitching matchups at Cubs”

  1. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    CC’s knee problem surely explains the times he seemed unable to cover first base, he didn’t have a problem with that in the past. He couldn’t run.

    This probably also is largely responsible for his drop in velocity. You can’t throw max velocity if you have pain in the landing knee and/or mental apprehension.

  2. Ys Guy May 20th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t doubt that some columnist and people who cover the Yankees might drop in here every now and then to take the temperature of some very intense and mostly very knowligable Yankees fans. But I also think these writers, etc. are perfectly capable of coming up with any of the ideas that show up in here on their own. Suggesting that any of them come here and steal ideas for columns is pretty ridiculous, imo.

  3. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    @JackCurryYES 1m

    Yankees already needed Tanaka to be automatic on days he starts. CC news from yesterday about a July return (at earliest) amplifies that.

    The good thing about this is that Tanaka is already used to pitching an entire season under pressure. It should be business as usual for him. He can handle it.

  4. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Of course they get ideas for columns here and elsewhere, they want to write about what the fans are interested in. I don’t call it “stealing” unless there is blatant verbatim copying.

  5. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    I suspect sometime later this week we’ll hear that Beltran is going to have surgery. Maybe tomorrow. Reading RAB, Axisa is saying that the Yanks should replace Beltran’s offense by signing Morales after the draft. On first blush, this sounds like a good idea. Morales could DH every day and Soriano could play RF. But after some more thought, I can’t see how it works.

    It’s not like Beltran is gone for the season. And he’s going to be the full time DH when he comes back. Because coming back to play the field will add another month to his rehab. If he comes back as the DH, he should be back by late July. At that point, what do you do with Morales? Not only is there not a place in the lineup for him, but there isn’t even a place on the roster unless you move Soriano or Ichiro, which I doubt will happen.

    No, the Yanks don’t need a four month fix. They need a two month fix. I hope Girardi gives ample time to Almonte against right-handers now. I have a feeling if he does, everyone will forget Morales.

  6. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    “Of course they get ideas for columns here and elsewhere, they want to write about what the fans are interested in. I don’t call it “stealing” unless there is blatant verbatim copying.”

    That’s absolutely true. Blogs and twitter indirectly provide reporters and radio show hosts and other media guys with content through a type of “market research” that was not available before. That’s how all this talk of Betances got going. The people on blogs and twitter are their audience, readers and target market. Find out what interests them, and your circulation, hits and ratings improve.

    Along the way, “borrowing” ideas is probably inevitable.

  7. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    “The good thing about this is that Tanaka is already used to pitching an entire season under pressure. It should be business as usual for him. He can handle it.”

    ——

    Tanaka’s mental make-up is easily as important to his success as his physical tools. I was talking about this in January after that story was posted about him wanting the ball in the last game of the Japanese playoffs.

    I just hope people don’t freak out when he loses a couple of games. He is after all human. A very talented human.

  8. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Does anyone know who Diego Moreno is? Never heard of him. He’s referenced as top talent.

  9. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Does anyone know who Diego Moreno is? Never heard of him. He’s referenced as top talent.

    He is the guy we got for AJ Burnett I think. I don’t think he was referenced as a top talent, but as a hard throwing option for the bullpen.

  10. Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I just hope people don’t freak out when he loses a couple of games. He is after all human. A very talented human

    _____________________________

    You kidding? As soon as he loses a game, it’ll be a race to see who posts the word “*BUST* first.

  11. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....y=news_mlb

    New Article on field FX, shows a play from this season thanks to the system at Citifield! Really cool stuff.

  12. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    @Deadspin Retired stars file suit alleging NFL doped them up like race horses: http://deadsp.in/eqDXByQ

  13. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    JF – Funny comments section in that link.

  14. blake May 20th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    @JackCurryYES: Cashman’s opinion on an ace is a P who team feels is almost guarantee to win post-season gm. There aren’t 30 of them. Tanaka is becoming one

    That’s a tough and somewhat dumb definition……no pitcher is a guarantee to win a playoff games where they are usually matched up with another real stud

  15. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Even $31M a year a Clayton Kershaw loses in the playoffs.

  16. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    I think of it as more in tiers…..for me there are only 6 or 7 pitchers on tier 1. Those are the “aces”…..the guys that are clearly a cut above the rest

  17. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    They have a potential ace right under their noses…

  18. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    I think Tanaka is headed towards tier 1 …..but we need a bigger sample obviously. He’s really good though so I expect him to get there

  19. 86w183 May 20th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Tier 1 — Kershaw, Verlander, King Felix, Darvish, Scherzer and Wainwright for sure….

    Tier 2 — Matt Cain, Jose Fernandez, Grienke, Bumgarner, Lee, Tanaka and Sonny Gray?

  20. 86w183 May 20th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Should add David Price to tier two

  21. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I’d like to see Tanaka pitch against Balitmore in Camden yards. So its a 2nd time facing a tough line up in a little league park.

  22. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    86,
    Very close to my tier 1….Id probably put Lee on there too if were talking about right now

  23. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Fernandez Id put on tier 1 too if he was healthy…..small sample but he’s so good it doesn’t matter

  24. 86w183 May 20th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Yeah, but Fernandez is hurt so I dropped him. Lee is easily defensible on tier 1.

    Even with all the guys we mentioned that’s not even one for every two teams. Elite starting pitchers are very special indeed. If he stays healthy, Scherzer will break the bank.

  25. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    MLB Networks ran their top 10 right now shows before the season and their top 10 SPs were as follows:

    1. Clayton Kershaw – Los Angeles Dodgers
    2. Cliff Lee – Philadelphia Phillies
    3. Felix Hernandez – Seattle Mariners
    4. Chris Sale – Chicago White Sox
    5. Jose Fernandez – Miami Marlins
    6. David Price – Tampa Bay Rays
    7. Hisashi Iwakuma – Seattle Mariners
    8. Adam Wainwright – St. Louis Cardinals
    9. Justin Verlander – Detroit Tigers
    10. Max Scherzer – Detroit Tigers

  26. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Yea I think “right now” can be different than a top 10 list overall ….because some guys you don’t know if they can keep it up long term

  27. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    But that’s why I want Lee so bad…..that’d give them 2 guys that are either Tier 1 or very high on tier 2 depending on how picky a judge you are.

    You gimmi Tanaka and Lee in a playoff series and I like our chances

  28. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    I was surprised that Lee was #2 at 35. What is it about Lefties that don’t age well? (Clearly not Lee). Is Price going to be another CC in 5 years or more like Lee?

  29. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Mottsx says:
    May 20, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    I was surprised that Lee was #2 at 35. What is it about Lefties that don’t age well? (Clearly not Lee). Is Price going to be another CC in 5 years or more like Lee?

    Id guess more like CC but he should be good for awhile longer…..price may adapt but presently he’s not nearly as good if he doesn’t have his fastball…..he secondary stuff and command have progressed but he still relies on his stuff a lot.

  30. Tar May 20th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Lee is owed too much money.

    Hey I have an idea lets try Betances instead. :twisted:

  31. LockDown May 20th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    I would put Jose Fernandez and Johnny Cueto in tier 1. Cueto wasn’t healthy at the end of last year, but he is now

  32. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Tar says:
    May 20, 2014 at 2:39 pm
    Lee is owed too much money.

    Hey I have an idea lets try Betances instead.

    But we need a starter ;)

  33. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    LockDown says:
    May 20, 2014 at 2:40 pm
    I would put Jose Fernandez and Johnny Cueto in tier 1. Cueto wasn’t healthy at the end of last year, but he is now

    Yea Cueto is right there….

  34. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Tar May 20th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
    Lee is owed too much money.

    Hey I have an idea lets try Betances instead. :twisted:

    Brilliant!

  35. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I want a lefty… hey let’s try ManBan he’s recovered from TJS right? Oh wait, he has dead d*ck, I mean arm.

  36. say NO to Cano May 20th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Hey I have an idea lets try Betances instead.

    Hey I have an idea, formulate an opinion of your own rather than subscribing to group-think.

  37. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    For whomever asked about Diego Moreno: http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2942

  38. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    They really should look into Lee… I have no idea what it would take to get some better/younger pitchers from other teams but I’m fairly certain the Yankees can’t afford to gut the farm with all of the big money deals they’ve added to their payroll.

  39. Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Drew back to Boston

  40. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    For the “Betances should start” crowd – an interesting article that I’m sure you’ll ignore: http://nypost.com/2014/05/19/b.....-rotation/

  41. Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    Drew back to Boston
    ______________________________

    Blake is gonna cry

  42. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    I don’t think Price will age well and whoever gives him the massive extension will regret it. There’s something about his frame/build that screams “brittle” to me.

    I wouldn’t put Tanaka in the top 5 tier 1 yet either. Talk to me after the all star break. If he’s still doing what he’s doing, he may crack that for me. Doing what he’s doing in a hitters park/league is what impresses me a ton.

    And yes, if we added Lee to Tanaka and Kuroda, we’d be lined up for a big playoff push.

    Lee’s a dangerous game to play though because it’ll take prospects and huge money – you’re paying twice for him essentially and he’s older. That’s a scary deal to sign off on but it’d make us very powerful.

  43. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Red Sox To Sign Stephen Drew http://t.co/uYTnTImDYv

    Nice work Yankees…..screwed around and let Boston solve their infield issue when you could have solved your own and took away the option for them……nice

  44. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Red Sox To Sign Stephen Drew
    By Steve Adams [May 20, 2014 at 1:48pm CDT]

    The Red Sox have reached an agreement with Stephen Drew, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter link). Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that Drew is getting the pro-rated version of the qualifying offer ($14.1MM) on a one-year deal, meaning that Drew will be paid roughly $10.17MM. Drew is represented by Scott Boras.

  45. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Drew back to Boston
    ——————

    For the prorated version of the QO he turned down – makes sense for both sides.

  46. say NO to Cano May 20th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    blake, the yankees are idiots. at the very least, the Yankees should have had a deal ready to be struck with Drew as soon as the MLB Draft took place.

    i wonder how little Drew took to capitulate to the red sox.

  47. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Oh God, someone get blake some sedatives. This is going to be rough.

    Stay away from the light blake!

  48. Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    Drew back to Boston
    ______________________________

    Blake is gonna cry

    —————-

    He posted exactly 1 minute after yours but instead of crying it’s RAGE lol

  49. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    “Lee’s a dangerous game to play though because it’ll take prospects and huge money – you’re paying twice for him essentially and he’s older. That’s a scary deal to sign off on but it’d make us very powerful.”

    He’s good though and he has that smug confidence that you hate when he’s on the other team but love when he’s on yours…..I think he makes their rotation tough…..but yea the price tag is an issue

  50. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Based on price tag I would prefer Shields to Lee.

  51. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Can confirm @Ken_Rosenthal report. Drew signs with #Redsox. Getting $10M, prorated $14M qualifying offer.

    10 million bucks…..

  52. Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
    Against All Odds May 20th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Drew back to Boston
    ——————

    For the prorated version of the QO he turned down – makes sense for both sides.

    ————-

    Yep. They probably felt he would come back eventually.

  53. Patrick May 20th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    I’m here for you blake

  54. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    The big loser here is Detroit.

  55. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Now Boston’s infield is solid again…..they can move Bogarts back to 3B and let Drew play SS.

  56. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    If Drew is a Yankee in 2015 I am gonna laugh and laugh and laugh.

  57. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Drew will be begging for a job again next winter.

  58. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    May 20, 2014 at 2:57 pm
    The big loser here is Detroit.

    And the Yankees but Detroits situation is even worse at SS yea…..

  59. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Well Boston made their team better today. I also like that they are no longer willing to pretend that Middlebrooks is Mike Schmidt. He’s been awful.

    I like how the Red Sox will give these guys a shot but cut bait when they have enough evidence to know who the player is.

    But watch, they’ll trade Middlebrooks for Lee or Stanton somehow now even though he’s a bust like Lavarnway.

  60. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Gary Sanchez, David Phelps and Detrich Enns to the D’backs for Didi Gregorious and Brandon McCarthy?

  61. blake May 20th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Jerkface says:
    May 20, 2014 at 2:57 pm
    If Drew is a Yankee in 2015 I am gonna laugh and laugh and laugh.

    I’m thinking more and more our 2015 SS has the initials BR

  62. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    If Drew is a Yankee in 2015 I am gonna laugh and laugh and laugh.
    ————–

    This and Jeter will not retire and continue to bat 2nd.

  63. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Someone send Blake’s picture to Cashman’s security people. This could get ugly.

  64. Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Relax Blake!

    Can get him next season as he will not be tied to any draft pick compensation. SInce he signed in-season, Red Sox cannot make him qualifying offer after this season tied to draft pick comp.

  65. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Chip,

    With you on Shields. I’d take him in a heartbeat just so we can hear Kay constantly call him “Big Game” after every pitch he throws.

  66. say NO to Cano May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    But watch, they’ll trade Middlebrooks for Lee or Stanton somehow now even though he’s a bust like Lavarnway.

    Because they have the media and prospect evaluation companies to tout their prospects as can’t miss.

  67. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Boston played chicken for 3 months to save 4 million bucks more or less……

  68. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Chip,

    With you on Shields. I’d take him in a heartbeat just so we can hear Kay constantly call him “Big Game” after every pitch he throws.
    ———————–

    Can we trade Kay to the Royals as part of the deal?

  69. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Lee is better than Shields

  70. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Drew is free because Dumpster decided not to pitch.

  71. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Nice day for Scranton:

    So this Adonis guy. Three more hits. Another homer and a double. Batting .336 now. He looked pretty dangerous with a bat in his hand in ST. Wonder if they’d give him a shot. No real platoon split. Hitting .362 against righties.

    In bigger news, finally a nice start from Greene. Six innings. 4 hits, 2 walks, 5 SOs no runs. 88 pitches. Greene had amazing stuff when I saw him in ST but then got jerked around for two months. If he can get on a roll maybe he can figure in to pitching mix next month.

  72. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    say NO to Cano May 20th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    But watch, they’ll trade Middlebrooks for Lee or Stanton somehow now even though he’s a bust like Lavarnway.

    Because they have the media and prospect evaluation companies to tout their prospects as can’t miss.
    ——————

    In fairness those are the same companies that used to talk up Yankee prospects like Ruben Rivera, Brandon Claussen, Rickey Ledee and Drew Henson.

  73. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Lee is better than Shields
    ———————–

    Yes he is. But Shields is younger than Lee, doesn’t have a history of back problems and isn’t owed $75 million over 3 years.

  74. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    “If Drew is a Yankee in 2015 I am gonna laugh and laugh and laugh.”

    —-

    Could make sense. I’d say he’d be plan B or C. But def an upgrade over what the Yanks have this year.

  75. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    blake,

    But Lee doesn’t have a nickname like “Big Game”. It’s no contest.

  76. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Need to see where the Yanks are in 6 weeks but one needs to be very careful with Lee. Could be a real real expensive misstep. The Yanks have already met their quota for those this decade.

  77. austinmac May 20th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Don’t worry about SS going forward. We have Ryan for next year until Culver finishes blossoming. For him, blossoming would be to hit as well as Ryan in the minors.

    I have advocated Drew. But, I never felt Hal would spend the money.

  78. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Nice day for Scranton:

    So this Adonis guy. Three more hits. Another homer and a double. Batting .336 now. He looked pretty dangerous with a bat in his hand in ST. Wonder if they’d give him a shot. No real platoon split. Hitting .362 against righties.
    ———————

    To play where? The Yankees are ok in the outfield with Gardner/Ellsbury/Soriano.

  79. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    “But Lee doesn’t have a nickname like “Big Game”. It’s no contest.”

    True…..

    Chip,
    Sure but if the goal is to win now…..which is basically what it always is with the yanks…..then Lee gives them a better chance

  80. Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Also, JRam went an inning and 1/3 today. Command was not very sharp, but his fastball sat 94-96, hitting 98 once.

  81. GregD May 20th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    In bigger news, finally a nice start from Greene. Six innings. 4 hits, 2 walks, 5 SOs no runs. 88 pitches. Greene had amazing stuff when I saw him in ST but then got jerked around for two months. If he can get on a roll maybe he can figure in to pitching mix next month.

    BigDan——he is the guy we should add in July……he has great stuff………

  82. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    “And the Yankees but Detroits situation is even worse at SS yea”

    —–

    I think Detroit was counting on him but were waiting till the draft. He seemed like a perfect fit for a team that’s set up to finally go the distance this season. Owner playing the clock.

  83. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Tackelberry says:
    May 20, 2014 at 3:06 pm
    Also, JRam went an inning and 1/3 today. Command was not very sharp, but his fastball sat 94-96, hitting 98 once.

    The next reliever to have success and spark another chapter in the Lohud Starter/Reliever saga? :)

  84. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    “But Lee doesn’t have a nickname like “Big Game”. It’s no contest.”

    True…..

    Chip,
    Sure but if the goal is to win now…..which is basically what it always is with the yanks…..then Lee gives them a better chance
    ————————

    Sure the goal is to win now, but you also can’t be short-sighted in making moves. If the Yankees trade for Lee it would certainly help this year, but a 35 year old with a balky back could put them right back in this situation next year. You have to have balance between short and long term goals.

  85. GregD May 20th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    The next reliever to have success and spark another chapter in the Lohud Starter/Reliever saga?

    =========================

    we need to have another debate…… :)

  86. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Tackelberry says:
    May 20, 2014 at 3:06 pm
    Also, JRam went an inning and 1/3 today. Command was not very sharp, but his fastball sat 94-96, hitting 98 once.

    The next reliever to have success and spark another chapter in the Lohud Starter/Reliever saga?
    ———————–

    This spring I think I remember reading something that compared him to Fernando Rodney but with better control.

  87. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    @nickcafardo Unknown how long it will take Stephen Drew to be ready to play. Has been working out in Miami and Georgia. Players really wanted him back.

  88. GregD May 20th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Sure the goal is to win now, but you also can’t be short-sighted in making moves. If the Yankees trade for Lee it would certainly help this year, but a 35 year old with a balky back could put them right back in this situation next year. You have to have balance between short and long term goals.

    ====================
    I agree completely

  89. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
    Gary Sanchez, David Phelps and Detrich Enns to the D’backs for Didi Gregorious and Brandon McCarthy?

    —————

    Lol, why? We need worse INFers and pitchers?

  90. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Sure the goal is to win now, but you also can’t be short-sighted in making moves. If the Yankees trade for Lee it would certainly help this year, but a 35 year old with a balky back could put them right back in this situation next year. You have to have balance between short and long term goals.

    —————-

    All true, but that means that at least two of the contracts signed this off season make no sense… they can’t find any balance.

  91. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    BigDan——he is the guy we should add in July……he has great stuff………

    ——-

    He’s basically Wang with better secondary pitches. Sinker 94-96 with great movement.

    Need to get Ramirez ready. He still hasn’t really pitched enough yet. I think he should get another month or so of work down there. I had a dream during ST of Burawa, Ramirez and Betances as the young core of Yankee big arm relievers to carry this team for the next few seasons. Then we can let Warren and Phelps and the others doing what they’ve been programed to do their whole professional careers.

  92. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Chip,

    Ramirez has better pure stuff than Rodney ever did. He just doesn’t stay healthy very long. If he had stayed healthy, I think he’d be in our rotation by now.

    2 seasons ago he was dominating major league hitters in spring training.

  93. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Sure the goal is to win now, but you also can’t be short-sighted in making moves. If the Yankees trade for Lee it would certainly help this year, but a 35 year old with a balky back could put them right back in this situation next year. You have to have balance between short and long term goals.”

    I think lee might actually cost less in prospects than Shields because of the money……

  94. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Plus I doubt the royals even trade shields……they are only a game out of the WC and they are good enough to hang in there for that……they are in better shape than Philly who needs to rebuild

  95. GregD May 20th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    I think Ramirez will be back up in July or perhaps sooner if there are more injuries……Pinder might be in that equation too

  96. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    JRam has the talent to make the Yankees bullpen a monster…..JRam, Betances, Robertson could seriously shorten games and that sort of power pen really helps in October

  97. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
    Tackelberry says:
    May 20, 2014 at 3:06 pm
    Also, JRam went an inning and 1/3 today. Command was not very sharp, but his fastball sat 94-96, hitting 98 once.

    The next reliever to have success and spark another chapter in the Lohud Starter/Reliever saga?

    Nah, JRam can take Betances’ place in the bullpen. Easy peasy.

  98. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    JRam has the talent to make the Yankees bullpen a monster…..JRam, Betances, Robertson could seriously shorten games and that sort of power pen really helps in October

    Not if you’re already out of the game because your starters suck.

  99. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    I think Ramirez will be back up in July or perhaps sooner if there are more injuries……Pinder might be in that equation too

    —–

    I know nothing about Pinder other than his stats. But I continue to believe that if you fix the bullpen, by making it deeper with real hard throwing relief arms, then starting pitching will begin to resolve itself. The thinking that guys like Phelps or Nuno could succeed in the bullpen was just wrong. Warren succeeds because he does have SO stuff. But his other pitches also suggest something more.

  100. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    “Not if you’re already out of the game because your starters suck.”

    That’s why I’m getting Cliff Lee

  101. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    I would package Sanchez for any quality pitcher available. I don’t like hearing that our #1 prospect can’t hit a curveball in AA.

  102. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “JRam has the talent to make the Yankees bullpen a monster…..JRam, Betances, Robertson could seriously shorten games and that sort of power pen really helps in October”

    —-

    One of the true unadulterated keys to post season success is to have multiple SO relief pitchers. Not only shortens games but takes luck and BABIP out of the picture. Basically if you score first, you win.

  103. UnKnown May 20th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “Nice work Yankees…..screwed around and let Boston solve their infield issue when you could have solved your own and took away the option for them……nice”

    See this is EXACTLY what the Sox prevented the Tigers from doing. Solve their infield problems. Sox knew the Tigers were going to get Drew the day after the first day of the draft and they don’t want the Tigers becoming a better team than they already are. Especially after just getting swept.

    EXACTLY what the Yanks should have done. Not let the Sox become a better team.

    Oh well, let’s just win Six in Chi Town here this week.

  104. austinmac May 20th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    With respect to the Adonis Garcia thought, I would say all our outfielders, except Soriano who is more of a DH, hit left handed. He could have the role of filling in when a lefty is pitching..

  105. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    “I would package Sanchez for any quality pitcher available. I don’t like hearing that our #1 prospect can’t hit a curveball in AA.”

    —-

    The problem is I’m pretty sure you’re not the only person who’s heard that. Good thing we have Murphy. Always liked him better.

  106. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
    Gary Sanchez, David Phelps and Detrich Enns to the D’backs for Didi Gregorious and Brandon McCarthy?

    —————

    Lol, why? We need worse INFers and pitchers?
    ————————–

    McCarthy is actually very good. Has been for a while now. He got lit up in three games against the Dodgers, at Colorado and at the White Sox, which could happen to anyone, but other than that he’s been solid.

    Gregorious is a prospect and he’s got his problems but he’s better than any infield prospect the Yankees have right now.

  107. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    “With respect to the Adonis Garcia thought, I would say all our outfielders, except Soriano who is more of a DH, hit left handed. He could have the role of filling in when a lefty is pitching..”

    —-

    Yea but he’s hitting righties quite a bit better. That could be just this year tho. I really don’t know.

  108. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    “Not if you’re already out of the game because your starters suck.”

    That’s why I’m getting Cliff Lee

    Like you were getting Drew? :twisted:

  109. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    JRam has the talent to make the Yankees bullpen a monster…..JRam, Betances, Robertson could seriously shorten games and that sort of power pen really helps in October

    Not if you’re already out of the game because your starters suck.
    ——————

    Go read the link I posted earlier that shows how this rotation/bullpen matches up almost exactly with how the 96 one did.

    Point is that if you’re going to have a rotation that is mediocre at best then having a stacked bullpen that can shorten games to 6 innings is better than weakening that pen to give yourself a shot at one more starter.

  110. Patrick May 20th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    River Ave. Blues ?@RiverAveBlues 5m
    Feinsand: Carlos Beltran will try to play through elbow injury http://rab.me/1m0pQyB

    I doubt he will be very good, just get the damn surgery and see you in July.

  111. G. Love May 20th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    I think the issue with a guy like Adonis Garcia is whose spot does he take?

    They’re not going to waive Ichiro/Soriano and I wouldn’t send Zoilo down for Garcia as he is a power lefty bat who can play both corners decently.

    I would love to see the Yankees get aggressive with guys excelling in the minors, but there’s only 25 spots.

  112. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    I will never agree with the “too valuable in the bullpen” argument.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock May 20th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    ut there are no restrictive Joba Rules. Betances has been used to get at least six outs in each of his last three outings and more than three outs in 11-of-17 overall. In 1996, Rivera pitched at least two innings in 35 of his 61 appearances — and the Yankees were 28-7 in those games.

    Rivera was 26 then, a failed starter who found the role of his life. Betances, a failed starter, is 26 and began this year doing mop-up.

    Are we penning history again?
    ///

    Gee Joel, great idea, but what’ll we do about the rest of the team, that bears no resemblance whatsoever to the late 90′s Yankees? :roll:

  114. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    River Ave. Blues ?@RiverAveBlues 5m
    Feinsand: Carlos Beltran will try to play through elbow injury http://rab.me/1m0pQyB

    ——-

    I think this means he’ll see how the next week goes while he’s re-habing on the DL. If he can live with the pain, he’s back next week. I suppose the only downside here is a week or so of lost time if he decides in the next week he can’t go and has the surgery.

    Just really more of the same.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock May 20th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Speaking of bullpens…

    Jairo Heredia, before he came out of last night’s game, was insanely good. I haven’t seen him since last season, and that was an oops game, and he was barely back.

    His changeup was deadly vs. lefties and he was throwing a nasty curve as well. Fastball looked pretty good in the mix, too, and was up to 92 (he’s had wildly fluctating fastball velo since coming back from his shoulder problem).

    Any way, “Little Pedro” is a dynamite arm, if only he had some luck with health.

  116. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    “I wouldn’t send Zoilo down for Garcia as he is a power lefty bat who can play both corners decently. ”

    —–

    I wouldn’t but I think the Yanks might. They may feel they need a righty bat.

    I doubt anything happens tho until the Beltran matter gets resolved and that’s about a week away.

  117. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    The possible downside is Beltran feels some pain but thinks he can play, then sucks for another 2-4 weeks, then has the surgery and we just lost a bunch of time.

  118. bbb51 May 20th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Beltran should have already had the surgery and be rehabbing right now.

  119. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    “The possible downside is Beltran feels some pain but thinks he can play, then sucks for another 2-4 weeks, then has the surgery and we just lost a bunch of time”

    —-

    I’m not sure that the spur had anything to do with Beltran playing so poorly the last 3 weeks or so. He claims it just popped up. Who knows, right? I don’t think the spur had anything to do with how poorly he was moving in the OF or the base paths.

    He really needs to be sure he can play with the spur if he allows himself to come off the DL next week. I trust he understands the importance of this.

  120. Mottsx May 20th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    If that’s the cause send him to Trenton ASAP and let him play in games.

  121. mick May 20th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Drew won’t solve the RS lineup problems.
    They are anemic and Ellsbury was their major fail.

    Anybody seen Million Dollar Arm? Good baseball flick.

  122. champ809 May 20th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    The comparison between J Ram and Fernando Rodney is based on both featuring big fastballs and change ups as their primary weapons. J Ram has much better control and the only reason the Yanks are making the mistake of converting him into a reliever is because they fear his smallish frame wouldn’t hold up as a SP….(Johnny Cueto…ever heard of him).

    The Yanks have the arms (Burawa, JRam or Pinder) to cover his role out of the ‘pen if they decided to move Betances back to the rotation. What the lack are the gonads to do it knowing they would open themselves up to enormous criticisms the first time he got knocked around.

    I personally think they should move J Ram back into the rotation while he’s still down @ AAA with Greene, Turley and eventually Banuelos joining them in about a month.

    At this point with the success that Dellin has had I think you leave him where he is until at least the offseason. If you decide then to move him back into the starter role he can prepare for that next offseason, if not then groom him to be the next closer as DRob becomes expensive in a a year or two.

  123. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    If that’s the cause send him to Trenton ASAP and let him play in games.

    —–

    I totally agree. He’s had his two shots. They should have kicked in by now. If nothing else is wrong with him he should be in minors playing nine innings and putting his elbow to the test.

  124. LockDown May 20th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    The longer the Beltran-tries-to-play-through-pain situation drags out, the longer it will be till we get him back. Get the surgery yesterday

  125. Shame Spencer May 20th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    This news on Beltran is not good, IMO. It means what we’ll see is an ineffective player that will end up needing surgery in like July/August.

  126. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “Like you were getting Drew? ”

    Well they don’t listen to me ever

  127. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 20th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Gee Joel, great idea, but what’ll we do about the rest of the team, that bears no resemblance whatsoever to the late 90?s Yankees?
    —————————

    Well the point is that if your team isn’t as good as the other team then that’s an even better reason to make the other team play with 9 fewer outs.

  128. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    See this is EXACTLY what the Sox prevented the Tigers from doing. Solve their infield problems. Sox knew the Tigers were going to get Drew the day after the first day of the draft and they don’t want the Tigers becoming a better team than they already are. Especially after just getting swept.”

    More or less…..the Yankees could have kept both Boston and Detroit from addressing their infields

  129. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Who knew so many doctors and scouts visited the lohud blog during the day.

  130. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    See this is EXACTLY what the Sox prevented the Tigers from doing. Solve their infield problems. Sox knew the Tigers were going to get Drew the day after the first day of the draft and they don’t want the Tigers becoming a better team than they already are. Especially after just getting swept.”

    More or less…..the Yankees could have kept both Boston and Detroit from addressing their infields
    ———————–

    Stephen Drew is an upgrade but let’s be honest – the Red Sox didn’t just sign Alex in his prime here.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock May 20th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    The Yanks have the arms (Burawa, JRam or Pinder) to cover his role out of the ‘pen if they decided to move Betances back to the rotation. What the lack are the gonads to do it knowing they would open themselves up to enormous criticisms the first time he got knocked around.

    I personally think they should move J Ram back into the rotation while he’s still down @ AAA with Greene, Turley and eventually Banuelos joining them in about a month.

    At this point with the success that Dellin has had I think you leave him where he is until at least the offseason. If you decide then to move him back into the starter role he can prepare for that next offseason,
    ///

    I’m not really feelin’ Manny being a help. He’s already pitched through this “soreness” or “fatigue” twice. Just let the kid get it all back and start over next year.

    Champ, I agree with you entirely that they are making a mistake with Jo-Ram.

    And I’ve been yelling since they made this move last year that guys like Burawa could fill that need. Hell, we lost Kahnle and they still have a few options to be that guy.

    As for Dellin, if they restart him next season, I would be ecstatic. They are just not smart, however. They are, to quote CB, “pitching dumb.”

    Dellin needs a get-out-of-jail card to reignite his starter career. The smart thing to do would be this year, when the rotation is so up in the air and his conversion could seriously upgrade it.

    The need for the team is now, but they are too tantalized by him coming out of the pen

    Later

  132. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    “Stephen Drew is an upgrade but let’s be honest – the Red Sox didn’t just sign Alex in his prime here.”

    Nobody said they did…..but what if he makes 2 games difference for them and that’s enough to edge out the yanks?

  133. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    This news on Beltran is not good, IMO. It means what we’ll see is an ineffective player that will end up needing surgery in like July/August.

    ——

    I’m not sure it was the bone spur that was making Beltran ineffective. He really wasn’t moving well in the outfield. Maybe it was the fall in Tampa. Maybe a couple of weeks on the DL is what he needed. Players do play with elbow bone spurs. Sometimes they pitch quite well. He saw Andrews. I’d just want to see him play 5-6 games over the next week. Get 25 ABs and have someone look him in the eye regarding the pain.

  134. AAA May 20th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    The possible downside is Beltran feels some pain but thinks he can play, then sucks for another 2-4 weeks, then has the surgery and we just lost a bunch of time.

    ==============================

    …..and a potential replacement in Morales is signed elsewhere.

    They need to know on Beltran before the draft.

  135. blake May 20th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    If you figure that Drew would have been a 2 win upgrade for the Yankees and that he’s a 2 win upgrade for Boston…..then that’s a 4 win swing

  136. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Beltran should have had surgery like yesterday

  137. mick May 20th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    If you figure that Drew would have been a 2 win upgrade for the Yankees and that he’s a 2 win upgrade for Boston…..then that’s a 4 win swing
    =========
    if my aunt had balls she’s be my uncle.

  138. AAA May 20th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Stephen Drew is an upgrade but let’s be honest – the Red Sox didn’t just sign Alex in his prime here.
    ============================

    No, but they do get a SS that can handle the position defensively and put their present SS at the position he better suited for anyway. Most importantly they see to it that W. Middlebrooks is never heard from again. Having his bat in their lineup only helped AL East teams.

  139. bigdan22 May 20th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    On the other hand, if Beltran still can’t swing a bat now. . . . .

    You don’t need to be a doctor to figure that out. Just ask Paul O’Neill!

  140. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    They should go ahead and sign Morales…..if they end up having too many good hitters then that’s a problem I can live with

  141. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    They should go ahead and sign Morales…..if they end up having too many good hitters then that’s a problem I can live with
    ——————-

    You think Morales, after sitting this long, really wants to take a 1 year deal to play part-time?

  142. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    “You think Morales, after sitting this long, really wants to take a 1 year deal to play part-time?”

    He’d play every day….even after Beltran comes back you just platoon Soriano

  143. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.

  144. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    “You think Morales, after sitting this long, really wants to take a 1 year deal to play part-time?”

    He’d play every day….even after Beltran comes back you just platoon Soriano
    ——————————-

    Okie dokie.

  145. AAA May 20th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    You think Morales, after sitting this long, really wants to take a 1 year deal to play part-time?

    =======================================

    No. He’d need to know he’ll get regular AB’s. The 1 year thing means nothing to him. In fact, it’s probably desirable. He can’t be QO’d next season by the team who signs him.

  146. Tackelberry May 20th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

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  147. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    “Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.”

    Yup

  148. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    The yanks might not be able to guarantee morales as many ABs as some teams…..but he should be able to play just about every day for them as he’s a better hitter than most of the guys have

  149. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    CJ wilson was a failed starter turned reliever turned starter again. Its up to the team to want the reward. It makes tons of sense to try Betances as a starter either this year or next.

  150. Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    “Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.”

    Yup
    ————————–

    I’m just getting sick of the nonsense. It’s almost as if there are people who think that the Yankees sit up at night trying to think of ways to take guys with frontline starter potential and reduce them to relievers. There are reasons why guys wind up in the pen. This is also the reason why prospect hugging is usually a bad move…because prospects don’t always pan out the way we (or the team) had hoped.

    I’m sure that Cashman and the Yankees would have loved for Brackman, Betances and Ramirez to work out and anchor the rotation for the next 6 years – it didn’t work out – so now they’re trying to get the most value they can from what these players actually are rather than clutching onto the dream of what we hoped they would be.

    I’ve been as critical of anyone about how the Yankees have had problems developing talent over the years – especially in pitching – but at least they’re not being stubborn with Betances and Ramirez the way they were with Christian Garcia – whom they kept in the rotation year after year after year rather than even attempting to transition him to relief to see if that would help him stay healthy.

  151. champ809 May 20th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Chip May 20th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
    Jose Ramirez was moved to the pen because he couldn’t stay healthy as a starter.

    Dellin Betances was moved to the pen because he wasn’t very good as a starter.

    This happens all the time in baseball.
    —————————————————————————————————

    The comment of the uneducated….. Delin was really good as a starter much more than he struggled as a starter in the minors. You should do you’re homework.

    Same with J Ram. His injury history is greatly exaggerated. Cueto gets hurt alot as a starter should the Reds consider switching him to relief?

  152. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    The Yankees never simplified his delivery, they never reduced his repertoire, they never shortened his stride until last year. Now they have done it, and it has worked. They barely got to see it as a starter because they thought he was out of options.

    I already said this a few times but this could be a great DEVELOPMENTAL WIN for the Yankees, an organization not known for being able to develop quality starting pitching. Instead they are content to develop relievers.

    Isn’t it funny that the moment they try something that works they move the guy to the pen?

  153. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Jerkface says:
    May 20, 2014 at 4:16 pm
    CJ wilson was a failed starter turned reliever turned starter again. Its up to the team to want the reward. It makes tons of sense to try Betances as a starter either this year or next.

    Different guy….different mechanics….different pitcher. Id be more on board to talk about it next year…..but for every CJ Wilson there is a Neftali Feliz who seems to be ruined totally by the experiment

  154. Jerkface May 20th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Different guy….different mechanics….different pitcher. Id be more on board to talk about it next year…..but for every CJ Wilson there is a Neftali Feliz who seems to be ruined totally by the experiment

    How was he ruined by the experiment? He had TJS, its not like his head fell off.

  155. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    “Isn’t it funny that the moment they try something that works they move the guy to the pen?”

    You could also say the moment they moved him to the bullpen the moment he started pitching better too…..Betances himself has said he’s more comfortable in the pen right now so I wouldn’t mess with him now……it’s been a long road for him…..he’s considered quitting baseball before because he was do frustrated as a starter. Lets leave him alone for awhile before experimenting

  156. blake May 20th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    “How was he ruined by the experiment? He had TJS, its not like his head fell off.”

    How’d he do as a starter? Didn’t work….he’s not been the same since. Who knows if it contributed to his elbow blowing

  157. blake May 21st, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Is JS a guy that puts the rotation over the top? How good do we think he is? I like him and I like that you’d have him next year too……I’m just not sold on what he is.

  158. blake May 21st, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Hilarious that JS still isn’t gonna have a win

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