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Girardi: “There’s time you just have to give guys days off”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 29, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Robertson, John Ryan Murphy

Dellin Betances didn’t pitch at all on Tuesday, but when Joe Girardi was determining who he had available out of his bullpen on Wednesday, he basically used a mental asterisk: Betances would be available, but for one out only.

“We just used him a lot lately,” Girardi explained.

For Dave Robertson, the rule was kind of the opposite. Although it was only a few weeks ago that Girardi said he didn’t want to use Robertson for more than four outs, on Wednesday, Girardi brought Robertson into the game for four outs in a non-save situation.

“He didn’t pitch yesterday and we had a day off tomorrow,” Girardi said. “So I thought, if I need him, I’m going to use him for four outs.”

It was the third time in the past two weeks that Robertson was called on for four outs.

“It’s more out of need,” Girardi said. “It’s not something I necessarily want to do, but you work it around off days and what you have, and we’re just kind of forced to do it. The first time I didn’t do it, it was kind of early with him coming back from the leg injury and I didn’t want to push him. But with the off day tomorrow, I felt like I could do it.”

Dellin BetancesThis is Girardi attempting to balance safety against necessity. He realizes that he’s used Betances and Adam Warren quite a bit this early in the season, but he’s also dealing with a rotation that ranks 23rd in baseball in terms of innings pitched. Starters aren’t necessarily going deep into games, the go-to long relievers have been shoved into the rotation, and two late-inning relievers have already spent time on the disabled list.

“There are certain days where you’re like, I could pitch, but I’d rather not just because of the way your arm feels,” Warren said. “Joe’s been great at that. He kind of reads it to see how we feel, and he’ll sort of take the decision out of our hands, because we want to go out there and compete. If we’re not 100 percent, it doesn’t matter. We want to go out there and pitch. But he usually takes that out of the equation and says, ‘You’re down today.’ It helps me because we all want to pitch all the time.”

Robertson said he felt fine with last night’s 30 pitches (the most he’d thrown all year). Warren said he hasn’t had a day when his arm’s felt nearly as exhausted as it did the days after a start or a long relief outing last year. Betances said he’s confident in his workout program and has no real concern that his early workload could catch up to him later in the year.

“No, my arm feels good,” Betances said. “Ever since I got moved to the bullpen, my arm is recovering well. Even last year, I probably didn’t go back-to-back much, but I was in there three innings at times from the bullpen, and I was able to recover well. I’ve got a good shoulder program and routine that I do. It keeps me fresh every time.”

Girardi is trying to make sure that remains the case. Betances told Girardi he could pitch on Tuesday, but Girardi refused to use him. Betances said he had no restrictions on Wednesday, but Girardi put his own restrictions in place.

“There’s time you just have to give guys days off,” Girardi said. “That’s all you have to do. I’m trying to do that. I don’t think I used Adam for a couple of days before (last night), and maybe some of these guys will need a couple of days here (after the road trip). We’ll have to wait and see.”

Some of this problem will surely be eased by Shawn Kelley’s expected return from a lower back injury. So far Robertson is on track for a smaller innings workload than he’s used to. For Betances and Warren, the workload is completely different from what they’ve done in the past. Neither has spent a full season in a role like this.

“It’s a different kind of tiredness and soreness that I’m used to,” Warren said. “It’s a lot easier to deal with (now), instead of feeling like a train ran over your arm. There are some days you’re not 100 percent, but it’s more managing when you throw and just taking care of your arm.”

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41 Responses to “Girardi: “There’s time you just have to give guys days off””

  1. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    If Hal had his druthers the Yankee farm system would have produced enough talent to make the team competitive last season in spite of all the injuries, there would have been buzz around the team and he could have let Cano walk, watched Alex get suspended and reset the tax clock by being under $189.

    Clearly that didn’t happen. Last year was a disaster which destroyed what he had been trying to do for the last two years – field a quality team in New York without spending a ton of money.

    Credit him with at least recognizing that he couldn’t do that again this season. It wasn’t altruistic – he realized he was losing more money by going cheap and missing the playoffs than by spending money and paying the tax.

    That said, the Yankees need to continue on the path they are on – which is to build with young, talented veterans, while they rebuild their development department which has produced hot garbage in terms of top level talent since Cano.

  2. Hankflorida May 29th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    In the Broadway musical, “42nd Street,” the understudy come in when the star cannot perform and saves the day. The question is who in the minors can shuttle in to keep the bullpen rested and be the understudy for either Betances or Warren. That one or two innings requires pitchers that can challenge hitters for that is the blueprint that Cashman and Girardi seem to have envisioned as a winning formula. The starting finess pitchers give us Al Leiter innings keeping away from the center of the plate for five innings and then the stars of the show come in till the final curtain. Again, who are the understudies for our pen down on the farm?

  3. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    Chip May 29th, 2014 at 11:49 am
    If Hal had his druthers the Yankee farm system would have produced enough talent to make the team competitive last season in spite of all the injuries, there would have been buzz around the team and he could have let Cano walk, watched Alex get suspended and reset the tax clock by being under $189.

    ————–

    This doesn’t make any sense though… no one in the farm was close for 2013. Most of the better prospects projected to hit in 2015 and there hasn’t been anyone in the system all that close in certain positions (any INF position).

    This whole ‘the farm didn’t come through’ thing is fine… had anyone had lofty expectations for certain players that failed. That didn’t really happen. Even a guy like Mason was always projected for 2015. Sanchez the same if not later. Virtually all of the top ranked guys (Manny, Mason, Austin, Sanchez) weren’t slated to be MLBers on the time line that’s now being presented.

  4. Cashmoney May 29th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Patrick, i like this place on the island, great summertime diversion.

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/jordan.....sland-park

  5. Ys Guy May 29th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Whatever happened to Wil Myers? .228/.305/.355 and a .660 OPS?

  6. yankeefeminista May 29th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Nice first inning by ManBan. 2 GO and a pop up. Heading out; enjoy the day!

  7. Section 8 May 29th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Chip May 29th, 2014 at 11:49 am
    If Hal had his druthers the Yankee farm system would have produced enough talent to make the team competitive last season in spite of all the injuries, there would have been buzz around the team and he could have let Cano walk, watched Alex get suspended and reset the tax clock by being under $189.

    ————–

    This doesn’t make any sense though… no one in the farm was close for 2013. Most of the better prospects projected to hit in 2015 and there hasn’t been anyone in the system all that close in certain positions (any INF position).

    This whole ‘the farm didn’t come through’ thing is fine… had anyone had lofty expectations for certain players that failed. That didn’t really happen. Even a guy like Mason was always projected for 2015. Sanchez the same if not later. Virtually all of the top ranked guys (Manny, Mason, Austin, Sanchez) weren’t slated to be MLBers on the time line that’s now being presented.
    *************
    And what’s more, when the $189m strategy was first implemented (i.e. not re-signing Martin etc), they had no way of knowing ARod $$ were coming off the books. Given how far away the top prospects were from contributing, I’ve never seen the scenario they must’ve seen to get under $189m this year and be competitive

  8. Patrick May 29th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Cashmoney, looks good to me!

  9. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    Chip May 29th, 2014 at 11:49 am
    If Hal had his druthers the Yankee farm system would have produced enough talent to make the team competitive last season in spite of all the injuries, there would have been buzz around the team and he could have let Cano walk, watched Alex get suspended and reset the tax clock by being under $189.

    ————–

    This doesn’t make any sense though… no one in the farm was close for 2013. Most of the better prospects projected to hit in 2015 and there hasn’t been anyone in the system all that close in certain positions (any INF position).

    This whole ‘the farm didn’t come through’ thing is fine… had anyone had lofty expectations for certain players that failed. That didn’t really happen. Even a guy like Mason was always projected for 2015. Sanchez the same if not later. Virtually all of the top ranked guys (Manny, Mason, Austin, Sanchez) weren’t slated to be MLBers on the time line that’s now being presented.
    —————————

    I think it was mostly supposed to be the pitchers and complimentary guys like Romine, Adams, Nunez and Almonte.

  10. bruceb May 29th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Whatever happened to Wil Myers?

    Whatever happened to the Rays?

    They’re digging themselves a bigger hole than the Red Sox. Even allowing for the injuries to their starting pitchers, I’m sure they’re capable of better.

  11. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    In the broadest sense – the “failure” of the farm system isn’t that guys weren’t available to help the big league club. It’s that key prospects lost value as potential trade chips though injury and ineffectiveness.

    Betances, Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Heathcott all saw their value fall last year.

  12. bbb51 May 29th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Ys Guy May 29th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
    Whatever happened to Wil Myers? .228/.305/.355 and a .660 OPS?

    He misses playing the Yankees.

  13. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Ys Guy May 29th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Whatever happened to Wil Myers? .228/.305/.355 and a .660 OPS?
    ———————–

    League adjusted to him, now he has to adjust to the league. It’s what separates a good player from Ben Grieve.

  14. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    I think it was mostly supposed to be the pitchers and complimentary guys like Romine, Adams, Nunez and Almonte.

    ———————

    Which pitchers? I just don’t think you could pick a collective group of less able guys than Romine, Adams and Nunez to rely on for… anything. They basically all projected to give below average production. Which is what they delivered.

  15. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Betances, Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Heathcott all saw their value fall last year.

    ————–

    This is certainly true. I do think they were banking heavily on someone producing enough at the lower levels to warrant being a solid trade chip.

    Betances is one now though.. so… yay?

  16. Tackelberry May 29th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Trenton leading 4-0 top 3. O’Brien 2-2, both singles. Banuelos 2 scoreless innings so far. 1 BB, 1 K.

  17. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Betances, Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Heathcott all saw their value fall last year.

    ————–

    This is certainly true. I do think they were banking heavily on someone producing enough at the lower levels to warrant being a solid trade chip.

    Betances is one now though.. so… yay?
    ———————–

    Betances and John Ryan Murphy are probably the names that come up most when the Yankees inquire about trades. I wouldn’t deal Betances right now – I would deal Murphy.

  18. Chip May 29th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    I’ve said this before – based on his power, walk rate and defensive ability I would put O’Brien’s upside at about that of Mark Trumbo.

    I still find it odd that the Yankees try O’Brien at different positions but never tried that with Montero. Either the belief is that Montero wasn’t as athletic as O’Brien or they learned from the mistakes they made with Montero and are trying to avoid them with O’Brien.

    Either way – I hope he’s in the mix for the 2015 roster.

  19. Shame Spencer May 29th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Can we talk about Brendan Ryan’s impersonations now…?

    What a weird fella.

  20. Mottsx May 29th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    I wonder if this kid Fiorito has a shot to make it. He’s hitting .280 at Trenton. Local kid from Yonkers, natural SS but seems like he’s been playing all 4 IF positions.

  21. Tackelberry May 29th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    MLB First Year PLayer Draft begins a week from tonight. Some possible targets for Yanks at pick #55:

    1). Ti’Quan Forbes SS Miss(HS)
    2). Justus Sheffield LHP Tennessee(HS)
    3). Chase Vallot C St. Thomas Moore H.S
    4). Andrew Suarez LHP Miami U

  22. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Good afternoon all.

    A little nostalgia to go with Tackelberry’s post above:

    Best picks historically by draft round:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....y=news_nyy

    Shame- do you remember some of these players?

  23. Yankee Trader May 29th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Could this be one of the Yankees Top Five Worst Trades?

    Round 9: Fred McGriff, 1981
    The “Crime Dog” was destined to slug 493 career home runs, and he was originally property of the Yankees, selected out of high school in Tampa, Fla. The future five-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger was dealt by Yanks GM Bill Bergesch to the Blue Jays on Dec. 9, 1982, packaged with Dave Collins, Mike Morgan and cash in exchange for Tom Dodd and Dale Murray. Oops.

  24. blake May 29th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    “Red Lobster is horrible except for those cheddar biscuits. All of their food is frozen that they just heat up. Its a good place if you are a poor college student that wants something other than dining hall food. Otherwise, stay away (in my opinion)”

    The cheddar biscuits are incredible…..but yes very thing else is really bad…..it’s worse seafood than Olive Gardner is Italian

  25. blake May 29th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    “MLB First Year PLayer Draft begins a week from tonight. Some possible targets for Yanks at pick #55:”

    They should draft Kendry morales with that pick

  26. Cashmoney May 29th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    random food thoughts… i wonder if grilled lamb with mint jelly and buttered lobster tails would compliment each other…

  27. Cashmoney May 29th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    mm…maybe a nice warm biscuit with some chowder to dip in… someone stops me…

  28. Giuseppe Franco May 29th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Unless poor college students just want to pig out on cheddar biscuits they aren’t going to Red Lobster very often.

    Good seafood or not, Red Lobster is still expensive.

  29. Tackelberry May 29th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    “MLB First Year PLayer Draft begins a week from tonight. Some possible targets for Yanks at pick #55:”

    They should draft Kendry morales with that pick

    Even better, sign him after the draft

  30. Tackelberry May 29th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    blake:

    Best Italian food: Carmines in the Broadway district. the Chicken scarparelli on the bone is out of this world. My dream is to score a dinner at Raos one day, though it seems very unlikely

  31. Cashmoney May 29th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Carmine is real decent, there is one at the Tropicana… so is P.F. Chang with the kungPow stuff.

  32. bigdan22 May 29th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Refs with a homer and a double today.

    Let’s just try to get through this season without doing something stupid. Like more long term contracts to players past their prime.

  33. Doreen May 29th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    yankeefeminista,

    I “drive by” South Orange via the GSP on my way to see my daughter a few times a month. But it’s almost always on a Monday, when Y’s is closed. Then, on Fridays, when I sometimes pick her up, I’m usually in such a hurry to get home before other daughter gets home that I don’t have time. I have to remember to leave early enough to make the stop.

    I’m making a mental note to make sure I do it soon.

  34. Tackelberry May 29th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    bigdan:

    Have some flexibility afer this season with Jeter, Kuroda, Ichiro and Soriano’s salaries off the books. Do need to resign Robertson though.

  35. Ys Guy May 29th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Francessa pontifcating about how much better it was in ‘the old days’ when guys had to ‘earn it’ before they were treated like celebrities, in regards to Johnny Manziel.

    Ever hear of Joe Namath, Mike? Won a National Championship, drafted #1 and given the biggest football contract in history AND got the Sports Illustrated cover AND got the nickname “Broadway Joe” before he ever played a down in the NFL.

    Mike’s probably tired from walking all the way to work. (You know, it’s uphill both ways…)

  36. bruceb May 29th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Grilled lamb and lobster tails = not quite Surf & Turf!

    I like my lobster with corn dripping in butter and a bowl of chips (aka French fries) soaked in malt vinegar.

  37. Ys Guy May 29th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Doreen (and YF), lunch is on me if you make it here!

  38. bigdan22 May 29th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    “Have some flexibility afer this season with Jeter, Kuroda, Ichiro and Soriano’s salaries off the books. Do need to resign Robertson though.”

    —–

    Absolutely. Pay up for prime years. Not post prime years. Sounds simple doesn’t it?

    Still need to continue the audition this year. Starters are up now. Get the relievers up soon. Got to figure out what you have with Almonte. Flores stays in AAA for the season. Refs and O’Brien stay too in AA except maybe a cup of coffee in AAA August. After a good offseason, starting next Spring this team could primed for take off. Jeter in the review view. Hello Tanaka.

  39. bigdan22 May 29th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Sorry, meant “Jeter in the rear view.”

  40. 86w183 May 29th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Not to mention that Namath got into the Pro Football Hall of Fame mostly on the strength of one HUGE game and the impact it had.

    He has the worst stats of any QB in Canton… it’s not even close… 173 TD, 220 INT… he ranks # 157 in All-time passer rating (65.5)

    and I was a big Joe Willie fan… I was a kid in the Bronx when the Jets won the Super Bowl

  41. Mottsx May 29th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    I asked in game thread last night about Pirela blocking Refsnyder in AAA. Is he legit or is he ultimately going to end up being another CoJo or David Adams? If so, bring up Pirela now and see if he’s got anything. Refsnyder looks like the future at 2B.

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