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Postgame notes: “It’s harder to score runs”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 02, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The Yankees are simply not equipped to play a game like this one. Their offense isn’t explosive enough to make up for multiple mistakes, and that’s certainly true against a pitcher like Felix Hernandez. Leadoff hitters getting on base against David Phelps, a mental mistake by Derek Jeter, a physical error by Kelly Johnson, and a completely deflating ninth-inning performance by Alfredo Aceves. This lineup can’t make up for all of that. Not the way it’s been hitting for the past several weeks, anyway.

“Weird stuff,” Kelly Johnson said. “We ultimately didn’t score enough anyway. We’d like to get the bats going. Felix obviously speaks for himself, but we’d like to get the bats going a little better anyway and give ourselves more room for error.”

The groundball past Johnson was called a two-run single, but it was clearly a mistake. The leadoff triple in the fourth might have been a single — and Kyle Seager might have hit for the cycle — if Jeter hadn’t assumed the ball went foul. The two-run fourth inning might have been a little bigger had Ichiro Suzuki not rounded too far around third base for the final out.

“Maybe we could have done a little bit better,” Joe Girardi said. “But I don’t think it was from lack of effort.”

I don’t think the question is about the Yankees on-the-field effort. Seems to have a lot more to do with whether the Yankees pitching depth can hold up, whether the infielders can actually field their positions, and whether the lineup can score enough runs with a bunch of singles and the occasional double.

“I thought we actually did a pretty good job on Felix,” Girardi said. “But like I said, we’re not a club right now that’s hitting the ball out of the ballpark, so you have to put a lot of base hits together. And we’re not hitting a lot of doubles either, so you have to put a lot of base hits together. At times we’ve been able to do it, and at times we haven’t. We’ve run into some pretty decent pitching here over the last two weeks, but we’re not hitting the ball out of the ballpark, and it’s harder to score runs.”

That much has been pretty clear.

Yangervis Solarte, Derek Jeter, David Phelps• About the Jeter play in the fourth inning. If you didn’t see it, Brett Gardner nearly made a sliding catch on a ball along the line, and when it popped out of his glove, Jeter almost caught it. When he didn’t, Jeter scooped the ball and kept jogging deeper into foul territory, not realizing the ball had been ruled fair. Seager wound up with a triple on the play. Because it’s Jeter and I’m sure there will be a lot of focus on that play, here are three perspectives on it:

Jeter: It was kind of an odd play for me because I was playing in at third for a bunt and ended up going back for a pop up. The pop up started going foul so I was running in foul territory, then (the ball) came back, so it never even crossed my mind that it was fair. I almost gave it to a fan. I’m glad I didn’t. I thought it was foul at the time because I was in foul territory.

Gardner: “I should have caught the ball. The ball was in my glove. I thought I was going to catch it off to the side of my body, and I slid up underneath where it was going to land, and the ball went in my glove. And instead of the ball going in the pocket and my glove closing around the ball, the ball hit my leg underneath my glove and bounced out. It was just a weird play altogether. (Jeter) was playing in and near third base, not where he normally plays, and it was just a weird play.”

Phelps: “Gardy made a great effort for it and Jeet almost caught it. He was running down the line and I was trying to scream whatever I could at him to get his attention. I was just hoping he didn’t toss the ball into the stands. … It looked like it was foul. I don’t fault him one bit. My emotions probably got the best of me (Phelps was clearly yelling at Jeter to throw the ball) because I saw Seager rounding the bases and I was just hoping he didn’t get to the plate. It’s frustrating at the time, but it’s just one of those freak things that happen in the game sometimes.”

• By the way, Jeter said he finally threw the ball because he heard Gardner yelling at him. “I wish everybody would have yelled,” Jeter said. “I wish fans would have yelled, but they wanted a ball.”

• The Mariners had already scored two runs in the seventh before Johnson let a two-run single get past him. It was ruled a hit, though it seemed — to me anyway — to be an error. “Just didn’t make it,” Johnson said. “Ground ball to the left, playing in a little bit, and I didn’t keep the glove down.”

• On the Ichiro baserunning mistake, the Mariners had shifted against Johnson, and the ball really did look like it was definitely getting through for a single into left-center, which might have been enough for Ichiro to score. He came hard around third base, but Brad Miller had gotten over in time to stop the ball, and he threw to third to get Ichiro out and end the inning. Yankees would have had the bases loaded with two outs for the top of the order. “That’s a tough play for Ich because the ball, it looks like it’s by the shortstop,” Girardi said. “That’s a tough read because it’s behind him.”

Alfredo Aceves• Ultimately David Phelps finished with six earned runs through six innings, which is a pretty awful line. But he also held a 2-2 tie heading into the seventh, and even then, it was those two triples that had cost him. For the most part, he pitched well until that seventh inning he gave up a leadoff double, a walk and a bunt fielder’s choice to load the bases with no outs. “It started off with a hanging curveball that Zunino hit for a double,” Phelps said. “Then I tried to be a little too fine with Ackley. It’s a lot different even if I let him put a ball in play right there, we get an out, we have a runner on third, one out. It’s a lot easier to manage than first and second. Even the pitch to Miller (who singled in two runs), it was curveball that’s got to be in the dirt because he’s swinging right there. He put a good swing on it. It’s frustrating.”

• Speaking of that seventh inning, the bunt was to the third-base side of the mound and Phelps tried to get the lead runner. He nearly did, but the runner was ruled safe (a call upheld on replay). Phelps said he told Yangervis Solarte before the play that he would field a bunt to the left side. “We had the catcher running (to third) right there,” Phelps said. “That’s the play, especially in that part of the game with Felix pitching. We have to get that out.”

• Why stick with Phelps in that inning? “I liked his chances of getting a ground ball and getting a double-play ball there,” Girardi said. “I thought he was still throwing the ball pretty decent, just felt that he would get him out was really what I was thinking. I can go to Thornton there and they can pinch hit with a right-hander. I felt comfortable with Phelps getting that out.”

• Solarte is hitting .467 with two doubles and a home run during this home stand. … This was Ichiro’s first multi-RBI game since August 30, 2013. … Johnson has had three multi-hit games in his last four games. He’s batting .429 over that stretch. He had just three multi-hit games in his first 42 games this season.

• How about this: This was the Yankees seventh game allowing at least 10 runs this season, matching their total for all of 2013.

• Flurry of injuries down in Triple-A. SS Dean Anna, OF Ramon Flores and RHP Diego Moreno were all placed on the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre disabled list today. LHP Francisco Rondon and SS Carmen Angelini were brought up from Trenton; C Jose Gil was activated from the Staten Island roster.

• Final word goes to Gardner: “I’m not going to sit here and say that we’re concerned. It’s the first of June. We’ve had spurts where we’ve played good baseball, and then recently we haven’t scored as many runs as we would have liked. We faced a tough pitcher tonight. Phelps pitched real well for six innings, matched him pretty much – I think it was 2-2 going into the seventh. Then got into some trouble. But we just weren’t able to get a lot going against felix — he was really good — try to turn the page, we’ve got a tough team coming in tomorrow in Oakland, they’ve been playing good ball, and we’ll try to get ready for tomorrow.”

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306 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s harder to score runs””

  1. ScottinSJ June 2nd, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    Chad does a great job on the pre- and post-game summaries. But obviously they focus on the minutiae of the in-game events. The real problems are deep and pervasive.

    Effort truly isn’t the problem. Management, or should I say the lack thereof, is the crux of the matter — roster construction, player development, the whole package.

    Oh well, for now, Let’s Go Rangers!

  2. pat June 2nd, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    ESPNNYYankees
    Amazing note from tonight’s game: This was the 7th time this season Yankees have allowed 10 or more runs, matching total for all of 2013

  3. yankeepankee June 2nd, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    And Cashman reject Jose Quintana outpitching Kershaw tonight. Quintana, 25 year old lefty, let go by Cashman for NOTHING just threw a fastball by Puig. I guess our crack coaches could not fine tune him. Our coaches just produce pitchers with arm trouble or cause TJ surgery or produce an army of middle relievers from failed high-end starters. Quintana would be a nice 1-2 punch with Tanaka now. A young lefty starter. Cashman can’t even develop a decent lefty reliever!!!!
    We’ll try and pay 31-year-old Lester $25 million a year next year when we could have had Quintana on the cheap for years.
    Cashman and his farm system and draft system are putrid. He must go.

  4. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 am

    It just goes to show how Betances is wasted. He is an ace reliever being used in the middle innings, but only used every other game with few exceptions. If he cant pitch back to back games on a regular basis he should be starting.

    Pete, I am on the same page with you on Betances starting but that is not in the cards. As I said before, The Yankee will probably bring up Ramairez and Burawa to go with Warren, Betances as a bridge to Kelley and Robertson. Will it work with four starters giving their all for six innings and hoping that the bullpen can close on a daily basis, and that is the question? Their hitting and starting pitching is limited for change and only the pen can be tweaked if these minor leaguers can bring it for one inning every other day. I don’t see any other path to October. Do you other then Betances starting?

  5. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 am

    pat June 2nd, 2014 at 11:57 pm
    ESPNNYYankees
    Amazing note from tonight’s game: This was the 7th time this season Yankees have allowed 10 or more runs, matching total for all of 2013.

    This means they’re on pace for 21 such blowouts this season. But stats don’t ruffle any of management’s feathers. Just stay the course, boys!

  6. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:08 am

    Girardi reminds me of the the Captain of the Titanic who I like to imagine that upon being informed the hull had been breached saying “I wont sit here and tell you I am concerned, this ship is unsinkable and designed and built by the finest engineers who have assured me of this”

    I don’t know, maybe he is right but I don’t believe he is not worried.

    Post on the other thread caught my attention. Breaking down the losses since May 1.

    10 of the 16 were primarily due to the offense scoring 3 runs or less

    The other 6 losses were due primarily to poor SPing or bad defense. Only 1 L could I find where the bullpen was primarily responsible (9-7 against the Mets). Implying the bullpen has been responsible for 7-8 of those losses is sad, not to say they performed well in all those losses.

    Aceves has been the biggest problem out of the pen, giving up 14 runs in his last 9 games. Thats on Cashman and/or Girardi though, there are better options available.

    BP has actually been a strength and it will be stronger once Aceves is released. Could use an upgrade over Thornton though and maybe CC is that guy, if not in this universe some other parallel universe

  7. bbb51 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:13 am

    The Yankee will probably bring up Ramairez and Burawa to go with Warren, Betances as a bridge to Kelley and Robertson

    If you are already well behind in the game it’s a bridge to nowhere.

  8. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:14 am

    Hank, I just think Betances should be used more wisely if he is kept in the pen. I am not a fan of moving him to the rotation in mid season, but its the only internal option I see for the rotation this year. If left in the pen, he must be available to work back to back games more often

    I think the best hope for October is sign Morales and make a deal at the deadline for pitching that may or may not include Morales in it. I think they have the prospects to make a deal even without Morales, although they might have to add a player from the 25 man in the package.i

  9. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:19 am

    “Their offense isn’t explosive enough to make up for multiple mistakes, and that’s certainly true against a pitcher like Felix Hernandez.”

    ——-

    Poor analysis here This game wasn’t lost because of “multiple mistakes.” The primary reason for this loss was a short bullpen. Under no circumstances should have Phelps been pitching in the 7th inning after the leadoff double. Does anybody think he would have if Betances had been available?

    There seems be a growing fallacy that every team ought to make every play and if they don’t it leads to a loss. Did the Yanks make mistakes in this game? Sure they did. Bad defense. Bad base running by Ichiro. But here’s a news flash. Opponents make mistakes too. It is very rare that either team plays a perfect game mentally and physically. In this game, an infield misplay gave the Yanks their only two runs (Golly gee, the Yanks aren’t the only team with imperfect infield defense). The Mariners also had two runners picked off. What do you call that?

    This game was lost in the 7th inning. In a tie game in the 7th, the home team has an advantage. From the 7th inning on, the Yanks scored exactly zero runs. The Mariners scored eight. Was that the result of “mistakes?”

    The Yanks, like virtually all teams are flawed. In particular, the Yanks have a mediocre offense, a short bullpen and starters who do not provide sufficient length. Their offense and pitching are perfectly average statistically, which explains why they are a .500 team. Mistakes have nothing to do with it. The defense is poor, looks worse and has had almost no impact on game results as I’ve shown for weeks.

    The tipping point, for this team as presently constructed, is its bullpen. The bullpen has blown two saves in the last two weeks and has been a major factor in probably 6-8 losses over the last five weeks including tonight. Add a dependable reliever or two, and this team might actually compete. Fail to do that, the offense and starting pitching aren’t good enough.

    Mistakes have nothing to do with it.

  10. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:23 am

    “And Cashman reject Jose Quintana outpitching Kershaw tonight. Quintana, 25 year old lefty, let go by Cashman for NOTHING just threw a fastball by Puig”

    —–

    I know. I’ve been saying for over a year now that the loss of Quintana is this team’s single biggest player development failure of the last 5 years.

  11. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:27 am

    Some more harsh truth: Only TB and HOU have a worse run differential than the Yankees in the AL.

    I’ll retire to bedlam and allow the other armchair analysts to work the wee hours.

    If we’re fortunate, we win one versus OAK. The ball will be flying in the Bronx over the next three days. Then 10 in KC, SEA, and OAK. 3 out of 10 seems about right. 4 if the stars align.

  12. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:33 am

    “If we’re fortunate, we win one versus OAK. The ball will be flying in the Bronx over the next three days. Then 10 in KC, SEA, and OAK. 3 out of 10 seems about right. 4 if the stars align.”

    ——-

    Transition year. Let the kids play.

  13. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:41 am

    One last post from a game summary (couldn’t agree more).

    “Right now, it’s tough to distinguish between the New York Yankees and the Seattle Mariners, or the Minnesota Twins, for that matter, who left the Bronx this weekend with a series win. They have spent like the big-market team they are but are playing like the middle-market teams they have come to resemble, with a couple of key differences: Their roster is loaded with players at the end of their careers, not the beginning, and there doesn’t seem to be much coming up behind them.

    And frankly, for all their abundance of resources, there doesn’t seem to be much that they can do about it right now.”

  14. Jerkface June 3rd, 2014 at 12:42 am

    Oakland can mash, I think its almost a given that they out homer the Yankees in this series.

  15. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:42 am

    Lets go back to why Betances was not available. He threw 22 pitches last night which is not exceptionally high. His last appearance was May 28 when he threw all of 1 pitch. Why?

    If he can’t throw back to back games, he is in the wrong role

  16. bbb51 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:43 am

    Have to hope the Yankees can somehow steal one of the first two against Oakland and then Tanaka in game 3.

  17. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:48 am

    ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:41 am

    One last post from a game summary (couldn’t agree more).

    “Right now, it’s tough to distinguish between the New York Yankees and the Seattle Mariners, or the Minnesota Twins, for that matter, who left the Bronx this weekend with a series win. They have spent like the big-market team they are but are playing like the middle-market teams they have come to resemble, with a couple of key differences: Their roster is loaded with players at the end of their careers, not the beginning, and there doesn’t seem to be much coming up behind them.

    And frankly, for all their abundance of resources, there doesn’t seem to be much that they can do about it right now.”
    ================================

    Yes, there is nothing to transition to, no kids worth their salt thats MLB ready. Older players are going to go down during the course of a season, you have to expect that, and you have to go out and sign whomever is available.

    Fortunately, the Yankees have such a humongous revenue base relative to most teams they can keep fielding a team of older players until they get their act together on the player development side. Why they have become so stingy about using the revenue like they used to is anyones guess, but payroll today is the lowest its been in nominal dollars since 2003 and as a percentage of overall revenue the lowest in over a decade

  18. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:50 am

    bbb51 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:43 am
    Have to hope the Yankees can somehow steal one of the first two against Oakland and then Tanaka in game 3.

    Highly unlikely. The other harsh fact is that when Tanaka is not pitching, we are always looking to “steal one”. Given this impotent offense, we basically have the starting pitching advantage one out of every five days.

  19. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:50 am

    “Their roster is loaded with players at the end of their careers, not the beginning”

    ——

    Of course it is. Now is the time to get younger and better.

  20. yankinvegas June 3rd, 2014 at 12:55 am

    Baseball teams can get really hot in an instant. Even if they were playing like crap just a day before. See the Red Sox.
    If we can win tomorrow, then we can win the series against Oakland. KC is no better than us and neither is Seattle. Plus we miss Felix next week. Six wins on the trip would be great, seven even better.
    We should release Aceves and bring up Ramirez tomorrow.
    Many teams have a mistake like we made with Quintana. Does getting Solarte make up for it? I like Cashman and I don’t think he should be compared to other GM’s. Yes he has a lot of money to work with. But he is in an environment where his fan base is spoiled rotten and the media makes a judgement on the team after every single game. Plus, the media hates the team. All of them.
    Unless we think that Toronto is going to win 95 games, and I don’t, we have to be patient. Ride this out. Hope that Tex and Beltran come back strong. We need Pineda and CC back, or one of them plus a trade. McCann will hit. And please Joe, play Almonte everyday in right. Keep Ichiro as a backup and release Soriano.
    I really believe that the bottom was reached tonight as we witnessed Derek Jeter fall asleep on the field. The season restarts tomorrow. We will be in first place by the end of the month.
    By the way, what would the reaction have been from the media if Alex had done what Derek did? Just saing.

  21. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 12:56 am

    pete — eventually fans stop coming to watch poor teams; then, the revenue advantage dwindles. After these fabricated “farewell seasons”, you’re left with the actual product to sell. When that product isn’t competitive, suddenly spending $500+ to take the family to a ballgame doesn’t rank high on the to-do list.

  22. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 12:56 am

    Add a dependable reliever or two, and this team might actually compete. Fail to do that, the offense and starting pitching aren’t good enough

    Bigdan, I think that is Cashman’s plan to save the season by adding to the bullpen. He has to stand by this offense that he concocted to beat the shifts in the age of computer baseball once Text and Beltran get back, and losing CC, Nova and Phelps gives him cover with his boss of his plan to build a superior pitching staff with his acquisition of Tanaka only to be sidetracked by injuries. The pen may hold the key even if it is only to the 2nd Wildcard.

  23. JimK June 3rd, 2014 at 12:57 am

    Bigdan, your logic on IF defense is mystifying; in essence your stating the Y’s could field 4 mannequins on the IF and the fact that they cannot move does not have any effect on the outcome of the game.
    Admittedly, I did not watch much of tonight’s game, but the Jeter play cost one run, and from what I understand Johnson’s inability to field a ground ball helped open the floodgates; I don’t care if you are Sandy Koufax; if his IF defense “forced” him to throw more pitches than necessary no one even remember his name; Koufax was a pitcher who averaged more than a K per inning. Now if the Y’s pitchers did not pitch to contact and were able to get 27 K’s per game without allowing more than 5 batted balls to put into play, then I would agree that IF defense has no effect on the final outcome. The fact that the Y’s allow the 4th most runs per game in the AL, while having a decent ERA, casts serious doubt on your view that IF defense plays a negligible role in the final outcome of any specific game.
    Moreover, poor defense leads to more pitches from your SP, which in turn forces the mgr. to over use his BP, and eventually overuse will effect the efficiency of even the best BP.

  24. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 1:00 am

    “The season restarts tomorrow. We will be in first place by the end of the month.”

    vegas — I’m sure you’re a good guy and a great fan, but this is fantasy. This team won’t sniff 90 wins.

  25. Jerkface June 3rd, 2014 at 1:02 am

    The Yankees basically can’t waste any Betances appearance. They have to win every time Betances in a game, and I think that means he needs to be deployed in the 6th-8th inning (for multiple or whatever) in a winnable game. Up 1 run in the 5th inning is too much of a gamble with how bad the offense is, especially when you then have to use a guy like Warren for 2 innings who isn’t as lights out. Though maybe there will never be those resounding leads to get him into games. He should have been available today but maybe Girardi wanted to give him some rest before the Oakland series.

    Though Betances pitching a larger number of innings not very often sounds a lot like a starter doesn’t it? :twisted:

  26. JimK June 3rd, 2014 at 1:05 am

    Hank, adding a dependable reliever or two will not change anything, unless you plan on using a one man rotation, with 4 other piece mail starters; instead of having 4 pitcher at or near 200 IP, you will have 8 pitchers between 125 and 175 IP per year. I do not know about you, but I cannot recall any club winning with a one man rotation.

  27. sammiejohnson June 3rd, 2014 at 1:05 am

    bigdan22 June 2nd, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    I’ve explained this before. This being a transition year was not the plan. But once CC and Nova went down, and Kuroda became barely average, and the offense turned out to be worse than expected, it became one. The Yankees’ hierarchy may still not know yet it’s a transition year. But I do because I’m smarter than they are.

    ______________________

    How can you not like someone as full of shat as this?

  28. JimK June 3rd, 2014 at 1:07 am

    Scott, I doubt the Y’s will sniff 80 wins, let alone 90, and I originally predicted an 88 win season.

  29. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 1:07 am

    “How can you not like someone as full of shat as this?”

    ROFLMAO — You gotta love/loathe the self-esteem.

  30. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 1:11 am

    “Baseball teams can get really hot in an instant. Even if they were playing like crap just a day before. See the Red Sox.
    If we can win tomorrow, then we can win the series against Oakland. KC is no better than us and neither is Seattle. Plus we miss Felix next week. Six wins on the trip would be great, seven even better.
    We should release Aceves and bring up Ramirez tomorrow.
    Many teams have a mistake like we made with Quintana. Does getting Solarte make up for it? I like Cashman and I don’t think he should be compared to other GM’s. Yes he has a lot of money to work with. But he is in an environment where his fan base is spoiled rotten and the media makes a judgement on the team after every single game. Plus, the media hates the team. All of them.
    Unless we think that Toronto is going to win 95 games, and I don’t, we have to be patient. Ride this out. Hope that Tex and Beltran come back strong. We need Pineda and CC back, or one of them plus a trade. McCann will hit. And please Joe, play Almonte everyday in right. Keep Ichiro as a backup and release Soriano.
    I really believe that the bottom was reached tonight as we witnessed Derek Jeter fall asleep on the field. The season restarts tomorrow. We will be in first place by the end of the month.
    By the way, what would the reaction have been from the media if Alex had done what Derek did? Just saing.”

    ——–

    Aw right, this is some good stuff.

    The Quintana/Solarte symmetry is interesting. +1

    And your general premise that it is always darkest before dawn is pretty Pollyannaish but I’m believe in the saying “America plants more corn than concrete.”

    —Not sure Ramirez is ready but hopefully soon.

    —Tex and Beltran could make everything look a whole lot better.

    —Soriano is almost certainly done but I don’t think they are ready play Almonte. Wish they did.

    —Yea that Jeter play today was so uncharacteristic it does make you think something is going on.

    —But I wouldn’t bet on first place. Not unless you are getting really sweet odds vegas :)

  31. ScottinSJ June 3rd, 2014 at 1:15 am

    JimK — I see 75. I’d take 70, if it meant heads were going to roll.

    Being out here in the Bay Area, I only have to watch the debacle in person when the Yanks are in Oakland. If I had season tickets in the Bronx, well, I would feel just a tad depressed.

    You know, I was just thinking about the mid-to-late 80s. The Yankees had garbage pitching, but they were still competitive, and best of all, they offered excitement in the forms of Mattingly, Winfield, and Henderson. Even the lowly early 70s had Munson and Murcer. We don’t have a single exciting position player (Solarte gets half a vote).

  32. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 1:23 am

    Hank, adding a dependable reliever or two will not change anything, unless you plan on using a one man rotation.

    Jim, this is not my plan as I prefer a power team who can score, but this is Cashman’s idea of a balanced team with banjo hitters in the outfield and superior pitching. Last year, the bullpen kept him in the game till September when they burned out as Kuroda folded. I guess he has the same plan for this year and is depending on Tanaka and the bullpen.

  33. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 1:28 am

    bigdan22 June 2nd, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    I’ve explained this before. This being a transition year was not the plan. But once CC and Nova went down, and Kuroda became barely average, and the offense turned out to be worse than expected, it became one. The Yankees’ hierarchy may still not know yet it’s a transition year. But I do because I’m smarter than they are.

    ______________________

    How can you not like someone as full of shat as this?

    ——

    Haha. I was totally waiting for this.

    All the President’s Men. There’s scene where some pretty low level White House aid tries to explain to Bernstein how Watergate could happen. He says something like: “You see Carl, these guys in the White House, they aren’t really all that smart. And when stuff happens, they just panic.”

    That explains a lot in life and business. Many people in positions of tremendous power and authority actually aren’t all that bright. Trust me. I’ve known some of them. Throw in the usual bureaucratic breakdowns, internal power struggles and organization dysfunction and you get the Yankees. Or any other relatively successful enterprise. Outliers is an interesting book. Pure intelligence has little to do with success. It’s mostly luck and opportunity.

  34. yankinvegas June 3rd, 2014 at 1:31 am

    Hey Dan, I live here so I can get odds! And Scott, I have been feeling so crappy about the tea that I decided to be an optimist for a night.
    Really though, the division sucks. We are part of it. I just kind of feel a good month coming on.
    By the way, I think except for the Giants all of baseball sucks. Thanks Bud.
    The Athletics are good but they don’t have a pitching staff that you fear. That is why they never win a playoff series.

  35. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 1:34 am

    “Bigdan, your logic on IF defense is mystifying; in essence your stating the Y’s could field 4 mannequins on the IF and the fact that they cannot move does not have any effect on the outcome of the game”

    —–

    I not sure I can explain this clearly and simply but I’ll try. The key to winning any game is to obtain a competitive advantage over your opponent. In baseball, you can obtain a competitive advantage as to pitching, hitting and defense. Of the three, the competitive advantage one achieves with respect to defense is by far the least valuable.

  36. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 1:45 am

    Production by age group is interesting OPS (AL-2014)

    25 & under -687
    26-30 – 705
    31-35 – 766
    36+ – 666

    As I showed yesterday, the main differnece between good teams and very bad teams in terms of age of starting position regulars is bad teams have more of the 25 & under group (cheaper although less productive) while good teams tend to have more in the 31-35 group (which tend to be more expensive and productive)). The Yankees are a bit overweight in the 36+ group, but its really the lack of production from those in the most productive age group that’s hurting them

    Gardner-745
    Ellsbury- 722
    McCann-672
    Tex has produced (847 OPS) but has missed 18 games.

    Kendry Morales is in the most productive age group at age 31 and would make the team better if not younger as we would be replacing one of Soriano (38) or Beltran (37)

    The Yankees 36+ year olds have actually outperformed expectations for their age

    Roberts -673
    Jeter-663
    Beltran-715
    Soriano-670
    Ichiro 735

    Add Morales, keep Tex healthy by resting him more and letting Morales play 1B, and getting more out of Ellsbury and McCann through positive regression should go a long way to curing the offensive problems.

    If they want to reserve the DH spot for Beltran and/or Soriano thats just a bad decision. Soriano kills you in the OF on defense, and who knows how Beltran hits with a bad elbow. How likely is it that Beltran speaks up the elbow is bothering him and does not go out their every day for a month putting up numbers like he put up before he went on the DL when nothing was supposedly bothering him,

  37. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 1:58 am

    Baseball is a game about runs scored and runs prevented. One is as important as the other. Offense is roughly 40% , pitching 45% and defense 15%. Obviously, defense is the least important, but the spread between the best and worst defense teams is almost 200 runs or 20 wins. Difference between best defense and average can be as large as 10 wins.

    So its not negligible. Yankees are 4 games behind the Blue Jays in the standings. At least 1/2 of that deficit is due to defense according to DRS (21 run difference in runs saved).

  38. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 2:10 am

    I have not read outliers but here are some of the reviews on wikipedia

    “The reasoning in ‘Outliers,’ which consists of cherry-picked anecdotes, post-hoc sophistry and false dichotomies, had me gnawing on my Kindle.”[17] In a review in The New Republic, Isaac Chotiner called the final chapter of Outliers “impervious to all forms of critical thinking”

    I think its a myth that those in power and very successful are not much more intelligent than the average person. Sure, there is some luck involved, and not very intelligent person is successful and not every successful person is intelligent, but you can say that about pretty much anything.

    Hal for example is likely a very intelligent person. He has a reason for his budget, but like every intelligent and successful person knows, the reason you give the public is not the real one, but the one they are most likely to accept. Since its not the real reason, you can find flaws in it and come to the mistaken belief he is just dumb. He is not, but the real reason is likely far less palatable to the fan base who might conclude its just plain greed or ego if told what it is.

  39. CompassRosy June 3rd, 2014 at 2:49 am

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    Baseball teams can get really hot in an instant. Even if they were playing like crap just a day before. See the Red Sox.
    If we can win tomorrow, then we can win the series against Oakland. KC is no better than us and neither is Seattle. Plus we miss Felix next week. …..

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    So did the Tigers ;-)

  40. UnKnown June 3rd, 2014 at 3:09 am

    Cute Rosy. Real cute. I hate to break it to you but the M’s are a real sh*tty team. Beating the Yanks does not make them good.

    So continue on filling out your October calendar because you won’t have to worry about Mariner baseball during that month.

  41. CompassRosy June 3rd, 2014 at 3:12 am

    Shannon Drayer @shannondrayer
    Looks like if the pitching stays in turn for the Mariners and Yankees we should have an Iwkuma-Tanaka match up Tue. at Safeco Field.

    ==

    That should be a great/fun matchup!

  42. pete22 June 3rd, 2014 at 3:24 am

    Looking ahead to Oakland. Fortunately we miss Sonny Gray. While he do get Kazmir, he is a LHP’er and the Yankees fare better against them

    Oakland has lost their last 4 against AL East teams, and up until this last series against the Angels, their bats had been quiet the previous 10 games (scoring only 3.5 RPG).

    Reddick and Moss both missed Sundays game with various ailments, so they may not be 100% for the series

    Tanaka is going game 3 against one of their back end guys (although he has decent numbers) so they really only have to split these 2 games to have a good chance of winning the series.

  43. CompassRosy June 3rd, 2014 at 3:36 am

    UnKnown June 3rd, 2014 at 3:09 am
    Cute Rosy. Real cute. I hate to break it to you but the M’s are a real sh*tty team. Beating the Yanks does not make them good.

    So continue on filling out your October calendar because you won’t have to worry about Mariner baseball during that month.

    ~ ~ ~ ~

    I don’t think I mentioned anything about the M’s being good. I was merely responding to a post that said the Yanks would miss Felix at Safeco Field by pointing out that the Tigers also missed him – it’s baseball, you just never know.

    But, now that you mention it . . .
    the M’s have won the same number of games as the Yanks and have only lost one more while sporting a positive run differential playing mostly .500 or better teams ~ not too bad for a sh**ty team ~ I’d call them at least mediocre (which, believe me, is an improvement over the last decade or so ;-) )

    As for the October calendar . . .
    you’re likely right ~ been a long time since mine has included baseball and it may still be awhile till it does.

  44. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 4:47 am

    “Production by age group is interesting OPS (AL-2014)

    25 & under -687
    26-30 – 705
    31-35 – 766
    36+ – 666

    As I showed yesterday, the main differnece between good teams and very bad teams in terms of age of starting position regulars is bad teams have more of the 25 & under group (cheaper although less productive) while good teams tend to have more in the 31-35 group (which tend to be more expensive and productive)). The Yankees are a bit overweight in the 36+ group, but its really the lack of production from those in the most productive age group that’s hurting them

    Gardner-745
    Ellsbury- 722
    McCann-672
    Tex has produced (847 OPS) but has missed 18 games.

    Kendry Morales is in the most productive age group at age 31 and would make the team better if not younger as we would be replacing one of Soriano (38) or Beltran (37)

    The Yankees 36+ year olds have actually outperformed expectations for their age

    Roberts -673
    Jeter-663
    Beltran-715
    Soriano-670
    Ichiro 735″

    ——

    Thanks for this data. It’s very interesting. It goes a long way to proving my premise, that the Yanks are being weighed down by older, overpaid players and the team needs to get Younger and Better.

    What I find most interesting about this data is that it seems, at least for 2014, post prime players (age 31-35) are out performing players closer to their prime (26-30). Can you provide citations for this data? It seems at first counter-intuitive that players over 30 would be out-performing players under 30. But perhaps the better players in the league now are over 30 but under 36. That’s why I’d like to see your sources. Perhaps the breakpoint isn’t 36. Maybe it’s really 32. There’s tons of data out there easily accessible that show a player’s prime to be anywhere from 27-30 and that hitters’ performance falls precipitously past the age of 30.

    But back to the Yankees. To simplify this a bit, let’s call the 26-30 group young. The 30-35 middle age and the 36+ senior citizens. It appears from your data, the Yanks best offensive performer, Solarte (.830) is in the young group. The next best performers are middle age and their worst performers are senior citizens. Sounds like to me the Yanks absolutely need to get Younger and Better.

    So thanks again. Love to see your cites. And if you have the research I challenged you with yesterday regarding a comparative analysis of age/performance between the Yanks and current division leaders, that would be super.

  45. jmills June 3rd, 2014 at 6:21 am

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  46. 4TrainNorth June 3rd, 2014 at 6:32 am

    That 10-runs-allowed stat is really depressing.

  47. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 6:55 am

    The whole last month-plus has been depressing.

    Good morning!

    It is the sloppiness of the play that is getting to me. Mental and physical errors happen, of course. But to this extent??? I can’t remember a NY Yankees team looking this inept. The Yankees are not built to be loveable losers. They can’t fly 27 WS banners and then field a team of utility infielders who are not very “utile.”

    You can’t build a new stadium based on the old stadium, which includes a short porch, and then have a dearth of power hitters, or power hitters on the decline who you hope will “run into” a few more in their way to retirement.

    You can’t have a pitching staff that relies on ground ball outs and then give them that inutile infield to back them up.

    Maybe, just maybe, you have to rethink using the shift so much when the pitching staff you started with is decimated and you have replacement guys in three of the spots, and when you don’t have a first baseman who can field the position when Tex is out, which will be a lot.

    How much more rope do you give Soriano? It’s starting to warm up, maybe he goes on a streak and they win a few? But then what? He’ll cool off, and are you back where you started? Will Beltran be effective?

    It’s just a sad state of affairs. For me and for some people I speak to outside of Lohud, we don’t feel any connection to this team, starting from last season. It’s a bunch of placeholders or replacement parts. No team personality. No chemistry. Aside from Tanaka and Solarte (who everyone is holding their breath on, waiting for him to turn into a pumpkin because we don’t trust anything anymore), there is no one that us fun to watch.

    This should not be the place where old players come to retire. This is not the 1962 Mets, who were built more or less the same way. Hoping to get the last hurrah from aging stars, simultaneously hoping the old stars would bring people to the ballpark.

  48. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 7:00 am

    And Chad is right. It is not a question of effort. I believe these guys have pride and are working hard. I never confuse results with effort. For instance, I don’t doubt that Johnson puts in the work at first base. He just is not a good first baseman.

  49. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 7:11 am

    Lack of effort us nothing to do with it. They simply don’t have the players. Solarte is not good at third, Roberts has little range or arm and Johnson can’t catch a ground ball or low throw at first. We have an starting outfield that may combine to hit 15 homers.

    As someone commented overnight, at least on the Yankees bad teams we had a few stars. Now, none on the offensive side. Night after night of ineptness with no one to bring excitement.

    As I have said before, all I ask is a team to be in the race in Septmeber so I have six months of good baseball. I know we can’t always win, but this team, like last year’s, is clearly not good enough to compete in early June.

    It is depressing for one who follows baseball far more than other sports. Oh boy, the X-Games are coming to my town. Maybe biking down a bannister would be more interesting to watch.

  50. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 7:13 am

    I don’t see how warm weather will make Soriano stop swinging at every pitch and contacting so few.

  51. 86w183 June 3rd, 2014 at 7:35 am

    Good morning all…. greeting from NYC on another gorgeous morning

    I’m now officially on the “this team stinks” bandwagon. The absence of Teixeira and Beltran has been devastating. Jeter and Ichiro have ZERO pop, McCann hits too damn many weak-assed grounders.

    I would order regular playing time for Almonte and Murphy and to hell with any veteran who squawks. And I’m really close to releasing Soriano or at least ordering him to drop his bat by a minimum of two ounces.

    And Aceves needs to go. He’s not good and he doesn’t seem to care. Replace him with something comparable. I was at Central Park by the carriage rides and got an idea…..

  52. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 7:37 am

    Austinmac,

    It’s obvious to me they keep throwing Soriano out there waiting for him to catch fire. Magically.

    I’m not saying I expect it to happen. But even if it does, it’s fleeting at best.

    I am like you. All I ever expect or hope for is a team that’s in a pennant race, playing exciting, meaningful baseball. Getting into the playoffs is great; winning it all, icing in the cake. But still it’s not the losing, per es, that’s got me down. It’s the lack of quality in the play, with just a few bright spots. Forgot to mention Betances as one of those earlier.

    Of course, I do hope that certain players will turn it around, but it is getting late early.

  53. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 7:39 am

    86w183,

    When you and I jump on that particular bandwagon, you KNOW something is rotten in the state of Denmark!! ;)

    I agree 100% with your post.

  54. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Aceves is by all accounts unstable and difficult. He can’t get outs. Get rid of him and add anyone. But wait, he is a veteran who pitched well several years ago.

    Can we ever have guys on the upswing of their careers?

  55. 86w183 June 3rd, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Doreen —- Even my patience has its limits… and I’m there with Soriano, Roberts, Johnson and Aceves… I’m going to start calling them “The Band-Aid Brigade”

    Whaddya think?

    Guys on upswing — Solarte, Tanaka, Betances, Murphy, Whitley, Almonte and Warren.

    Guys who are what they are — McCann, Ellsbury, Phelps, Gardner, Nuno, Johnson, Robertson, Ryan, Claiborne and Daley.

    Guys who are a shell of what they once were — Jeter, Roberts, Ichiro, Kuroda, Soriano, Aceves, Teixeira, Beltran, Sabathia, Thornton.

    Any questions?

  56. jmills June 3rd, 2014 at 7:57 am

    No offense guys, but I hear your frustration, and a big Toronto Maple Leaf appears in front of my face. Its been one common disaster after another. Sometimes I just shut down. I’m open to alternative coping mechanisms.

  57. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 7:57 am

    Good morning

    The Yankees started the offseason with multiple question marks, and now it’s a June and just about everyone of those ??????????? (11) marks are still there. Feel free to add more.
    Tex
    Jeter
    Beltran
    Roberts
    Johnson
    Cervelli
    Ichiro
    Sabathia
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Thornton

  58. 86w183 June 3rd, 2014 at 8:02 am

    heading out into the city… was going to go to games tonight and Thursday. Have ruled tonight out… Thursday afternoon still a maybe

    have day

  59. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 8:02 am

    Yankee trader,

    I’d say some of those ???? Have been answered negatively.

  60. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 8:03 am

    YT,

    We now have ???s we didn’t even anticipate like McCann’s production.

  61. jmills June 3rd, 2014 at 8:03 am

    86, pick your spots wisely, have a good time regardless.

  62. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 8:04 am

    86,

    Enjoy this beautiful day.

    I like your breakdown of players.

  63. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:05 am

    86

    Have a great day.

  64. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 8:08 am

    86,

    I agree with Doreen. Good assessment.

  65. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:12 am

    When you and I jump on that particular bandwagon, you KNOW something is rotten in the state of Denmark!! ”

    When Dorreen is ready to jump ship it’s panic time……you hear that Hal!

  66. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 8:14 am

    I’m just thinking about what Joe G said last night: right now we have o
    No one hitting homeruns, and then he added in, we’re not hitting doubles. And I’m thinking, no one to hit HRs in Yankee Stadium?!?!?!?!! Where you play 81 games. Which was built for HRs.

    Do you think the owners/GM were listening?

  67. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Here’s a thought. I’ve talked about the Shift,specifically the Maddon Rays Shift, that was formulated when they hired two technical assistants a few years ago. It worked because all the pitchers bought into it and pitched inside, they had good defensive infielders, who during pitches might move to cover more ground.

    Now we see the Yankees Shift. Pitchers haven’t bought into it, and when they do shift the pitchers throw it wherever they want. You have an infield that is lucky to get to balls hit to them when they are not shifting, and now you have Jeter playing the entire left side of the infield when the Yankees are shifting facing a lefty.

    And a few weeks ago, we learned thru Baseball Info Solutions that the Yankees had a minus 3 runs saved, or should I say not saved, because of their shift.

  68. pkyankfan69 June 3rd, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Phew… I was a little worried when I went to bed last night that the sun wasn’t coming up this morning… What a relief!

  69. pkyankfan69 June 3rd, 2014 at 8:35 am

    The A’s have cooled a bit of late… Let’s hope we steal one of the first 2 and also win the Tanaka game… Is Aceves still on the team?

  70. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Then you can talk about starting pitching,and the value of a lefty pitching in YS.

    Nuno,currently the lone lefty. BAA in YS .307, lefties hitting .414, all 9 of his homers given up in YS

    Righties:
    Kuroda, our #2, BAA in YS .291, lefties hitting .295, 7 of 9 homers yielded at home

    Phelps is getting lefties out.

    What’s the answer, if the Yankees pursue a lefty for the rotation. Cliff Lee has left elbow pain. There isn’t much on the FA market after Lester.

    This team is not built for Yankee Stadium

  71. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:38 am

    The pitching in particular is not built for YS

  72. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:40 am

    This team is not built for Yankee Stadium”

    They aren’t built for any stadium right now

  73. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:43 am

    The Tankees are a playoff team…..the Yankees not so much

  74. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 8:45 am

    On MLB radio is discussing the Astros moment end they would rather see a young guy succeed or fail than watch a journeyman. Yep.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Can’t stand seeing Cano in another uniform.

    Know what I’m looking forward to, outside of Tanaka-San Thursday? Seeing Jete and Robi play on the same infield on the same side one last time,,,

  76. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 8:47 am

    iPhone. Yikes.

  77. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Pruf

    You’ll see Cano and Jeter playing on the same field together at the All Star Game

  78. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:54 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:43 am
    The Tankees are a playoff team…..the Yankees not so much
    —————-
    I often have to correct Tankees to Yankees, the T being a SHIFT to the left away. :)

    Sometimes I hit the key below the Y, and type Hankees!

  79. vc 11 June 3rd, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Well, at least the game was interesting for two hours…just in time for me to watch 24.

  80. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 8:56 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:43 am
    The Tankees are a playoff team…..the Yankees not so much

    ———————

    :lol: I agree as well! In fact, my tablet now auto-corrects ‘Yankees’ to ‘Tankees’ so there’s that.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 8:57 am

    On Sumday we decided at the last minute to take a
    Ride up to the Bronx. We figured we’d get to see Derek and were hoping Betances would get
    Into the game. We also thought it would be nice
    To see Phil Hughes, and Whitley also Since we hadnt seen him start since Trenton. Our logic: it would
    Be easy to navigate because even though it was a beautiful Sunday afternoon, the place would not be close to full.

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  82. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Know what I’m looking forward to, outside of Tanaka-San Thursday? Seeing Jete and Robi play on the same infield on the same side one last time,,,

    —————–

    I forgot about that… I’ll keep voting for Cano though I doubt anyone overtakes him to become the starting 2B.

    I wonder when they pull Jeter from that game. Probably mid-inning or something to let him get an ovation.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Hi Trader, yeah that’s
    What meant – that I’d get to see them in the ASG together at least for a couple of
    Innings or so.

  84. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Last night was a really rough game… reading through some of the comments, I am confused as to how this team is set to transition. This past off season kind of cemented their path in a lot of ways. At least through 2016-17 when money starts falling off the books again.

  85. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Gah!

    :arrow:

  86. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Astros Altuve got a chance to overtake Cano as the premier 2b in about 2 years. maybe in one, if Cano’s power disappears.

    Ms will regret that contract sooner than later.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Shame -’keep pressing that button :) I should talk – I haven’t ventured in yet: I’ll fix that today.

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