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Random thoughts about a struggling offense

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 03, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight the Yankees begin a three-game series against the Oakland A’s, the team that happens to have the best record in the American League. And in those three games, the A’s happen to be starting three guys who each have an ERA below 3.00. Not at all the ideal matchup for a team that’s lost three of four and has an offense that’s sputtering.

Here are few random thoughts and observations on the Yankees offense heading into tonight’s series opener.

Mark Teixeira• Even Joe Girardi acknowledges that today is a huge test for Mark Teixeira. The Yankees are banking on that cortisone shot to give Teixeira enough relief from his wrist inflammation, and they’re banking on getting him back in the lineup. “If he’s still struggling (today), then I’ll be more concerned,” Girardi said. “We’ve been reassured by his doctor that did the surgery a couple of times that this is going to go away and he’s going to be OK. A couple of weeks ago, he didn’t have any of this. Until we get through (tonight), I’m not sure what to think.”

• By the way, the Yankees face a lefty tonight, a right-hander tomorrow, and then another lefty on Thursday. Might make sense to try to play Teixeira tonight, give him tomorrow off, then play him again on Thursday. That way he goes another three days without having to take any — or at least, not very many — left-handed swings. Those seem to be the biggest problem. “I think we’ll give him an opportunity to come in (today) and see what he thinks and see how he feels, and then you go from there,” Girardi said.

• Best-case scenario, this lineup is a lot better by the end of the week. If Teixeira can come back and Carlos Beltran can join the team in Kansas City. Those are two hitters the Yankees were really counting on this year, and with Brian McCann struggling, and Jacoby Ellsbury out of place as the No. 3 hitter, getting a couple of productive switch hitters could make a difference.

• Speaking of Beltran and Teixeira, the timing here actually works out alright. By the end of this week’s amateur draft, the Yankees should have a better idea about whether they’re going to get those two back in the lineup. And if they aren’t coming back, then they can — potentially — make a move for Kendrys Morales. There no place to play him if Beltran is at DH and Teixeira is at first base, but if either of those spots is open, Morales might make too much sense to pass up.

• I can understand why people have a problem with Derek Jeter hitting second, but heading into last night’s game, Jeter was hitting .304/.360/.380 since May 5 (a span of 101 plate appearances), .316/.350/.368 since May 17 (his past 61 plate appearances) and .360/.385/.480 since May 25 (in six games started by right-handed pitchers). Not saying he should or should not be hitting second every day, but I certainly think the Yankees have offensive problems well beyond Jeter and his place in the batting order.

Alfonso Soriano• Alfonso Soriano’s slash line is down to .230/.256/.399, but he oddly still had a lot of value for the Yankees if only because he swings right handed. Soriano’s actually hit .300/.328/.517 against lefties, and there’s value in that (especially for a lineup as left-leaning as the Yankees), but he’s hitting below .200 against right-handers. If Beltran gets back, would Soriano become basically a platoon right fielder, splitting time with Ichiro Suzuki? And if so, will Ichiro stay productive in a regular role instead of the part-time role in which he thrived early in the season.

• Speaking of Soriano’s at-bats, Zoilo Almonte would seem to be a reasonable alternative to DH against right-handers, but it just seems that Girardi isn’t sold on him. He really has no role on this team.

• Kelly Johnson has actually hit pretty well lately — three multi-hit games in his past four games — and his left-handed power should be helpful in a time like this, but he has really not looked good defensively. The Yankees are clearly not the first team to think Johnson will be able to adapt to new positions. He broke into the big leagues at second base, a position he didn’t play in the minors, and just last season the Rays moved him around quite a bit, but I almost wonder if he’s going through something similar to what Eduardo Nunez went through during his time with the Yankees. No consistent at-bats and no consistent position, that’s leading to inconsistent results. When he was the everyday third baseman at the very beginning of the season, Johnson was alright.

• Jacoby Ellsbury hit .231/.317/.327 in the month of May after hitting .312/.369/.452 in April. Does that have anything to do with moving into the No. 3 spot in the order, or is it simply a coincidence that he stopped hitting around the time he started batting third everyday? It’s worth noting that Ellsbury hit third pretty regularly for a stretch in April when Teixeira was on the disabled list and hit .353/.405/.441.

• Every time I start to think Yangervis Solarte is on his way back to earth, finally exposed as something less than an everyday player, he starts to hit again. These past few days have been yet another spurt of don’t-give-up-on-me production from the Yankees third baseman. If he keeps this up, couldn’t Solarte be the regular second baseman next year (assuming Alex Rodriguez is back to play third, which is a pretty huge assumption for many, many reasons)?

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249 Responses to “Random thoughts about a struggling offense”

  1. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am
    Last night was a really rough game… reading through some of the comments, I am confused as to how this team is set to transition. This past off season kind of cemented their path in a lot of ways. At least through 2016-17 when money starts falling off the books again.

  2. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Astros Altuve got a chance to overtake Cano as the premier 2b in about 2 years. maybe in one, if Cano’s power disappears.

    Ms will regret that contract sooner than later.

  3. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Man, there’s a lot in this post…

    I really don’t think Ellsbury’s spot in the order is impacting his approach. If it is, that’s on him and needs to be a mental hurdle he overcomes. Personally though, I don’t think that’s his issue.

    “Speaking of Soriano’s at-bats, Zoilo Almonte would seem to be a reasonable alternative to DH against right-handers, but it just seems that Girardi isn’t sold on him. He really has no role on this team.”

    Sad Zoo. :(

  4. Tackelberry June 3rd, 2014 at 9:06 am

    “• Speaking of Soriano’s at-bats, Zoilo Almonte would seem to be a reasonable alternative to DH against right-handers, but it just seems that Girardi isn’t sold on him. He really has no role on this team.”

    Odd because Girardi has always spoken highly of Almonte. How does he expect Almonte to be effective if he hardly ever plays. Personally I would have had in him the lineup last night instead of Soriano, who had no chance against King Felix. If he isn’t gpnna play, then send him back to Scranton where he can play every day

  5. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:06 am

    ????/MASAHIRO TANAKA ?@t_masahiro18
    ???????????????????…

  6. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:07 am

    I have no idea what Zolio could become, but it’s funny to read G’s talk about can’t score and watch Z sits on bench all day.

  7. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Jeter was hitting .304/.360/.380 since May 5
    ———-
    look at slugging chad, that’s what G was talking about. it’s sad to watch Jeter play D. he really should be splitting time with Ryan cuz we got no one better. This team is vastly better with Ryan at D. Jeter’s offensive game remind me that of Donnie baseball’s latter year. ppl are hooting and hollering over a few singles.

  8. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:11 am

    • I can understand why people have a problem with Derek Jeter hitting second, but heading into last night’s game, Jeter was hitting .304/.360/.380 since May 5 (a span of 101 plate appearances), .316/.350/.368 since May 17 (his past 61 plate appearances) and .360/.385/.480 since May 25 (in six games started by right-handed pitchers). Not saying he should or should not be hitting second every day, but I certainly think the Yankees have offensive problems well beyond Jeter and his place in the batting order.”

    This…..he’s not the problem (except for when he doesn’t pay attention like last night )

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 9:11 am

    What’s fascinating is how Cashman coopted
    Theo’s pet run prevention philosophy and then they toss away the best second baseman in team history and run an infield like that out there every day.

    A ball ate up Roberts yesterday that Cano puts in his back pocket while blowing bazooka bubbles. People don’t have any standing who make the mistake of misunderstanding just how good a defender Robi is. Balls like that never play Robi: he’s a human vacuum with remarkable hand-eye and those sharp hit balls that catch lesser defenders on their heels Robi just is able to make plays on softly. Smh

  10. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I have little faith in Cashman, i hope he doesn’t do jack. but honestly, i think we be better off exploring trade routes with Drob and Gardner. I don’t want part with Murphy or Betance. the rest are more or less hot steaming pile garbage that no one wants and has NTCs.

  11. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 am

    The problem with the offense is (and has been for three years or so) the middle of the order. This team has gotten such mediocre production from the DH spot over the years it’s embarrassing. It reminds me of the rotating DH vs. full time DH debates that used to rage here.. looks like those in favor of a full time DH really had the right of that argument (unless that full time DH was named Vernon Wells.. then we all come out losers).

  12. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Here is the truth about Jacoby Ellsbury: get ready because it’s gonna hurt.

    His place on the order isn’t the issue…..the truth is that this current player he is is much more what he actually is than the one we saw at the start of the season. That’s just the way it is……it’s not because he’s batting 3rd…..it’s because this is what he is. He’s a .775 OPSish hitter……they gave him 153 million bucks. He’s not gonna suddenly be better than that just because he’s making a fortune

  13. Moschitto June 3rd, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Cashmoney—do you go to church every morning, light candles, and pray for Cano’s demise?
    Any “regret” with regard to Cano is firmly grounded in the Bronx. And for a long time.
    Dream on

  14. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:16 am

    The problem with the offense is (and has been for three years or so) the middle of the order. ”

    Absolutely….they don have a middle of the order…..they don’t have a single hitter healthy that should hit 3rd or 4th in the lineup

  15. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Reading through some of the comments over the last couple of threads, I wonder if people realize how long the ‘let the kids play’ mantra has been pushed in the comments section of this blog and how rarely it actually occurs. This team doubled down on vets this winter… Almonte riding the pine is a good example. Doesn’t matter that Soriano is struggling, he costs the team little to nothing this season thanks to the Cubs, and he’ll keep playing (as did Wells) through the rest of the season. It’s just how this team operates. I don’t agree with it, and I’ll hope they approach things differently this year after the failures of last season… but I won’t expect it.

  16. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:17 am

    blake – Exactly. And in reality, we’ve gotten VERY lucky with Tex this year. I mean, he actually looks like a middle of the order bat! Which should have wholly unexpected!

  17. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:18 am

    do you go to church every morning, light candles, and pray for Cano’s demise?
    —–
    no, but i did stay at holiday inn last night.

  18. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Shame,

    Yeah, it kind of depends on who the DH is if it’s a regular position instead of a rotating one.

    But I don’t think the problem is the rotating. It’s the players. If McCann isn’t hitting at catcher, why would he hit as DH? Same with Soriano, Beltran, anyone they stick in there right now.

    I’m not usually a person who wants to see firings. I’m not sure how much good they do. But sometimes there needs to be a shakeup. And given the fact that at key moments the offense has disappeared for the last several years and worsened the last two, and given the fact that BLS (bases loaded syndrome) is now so rampant I told my husband last night all Felix had to do in that inning (where they end up scoring 2 runs) was to intentionally walk whoever it was up next to load the bases and they wouldn’t score at all — given all that, it seems like there has to be something wrong with the team wide hitting approach in scoring opportunities. And even though Kevin Long managed to get a few home runs out of a few players, and even though he’s not the one who’s failing to execute at the plate (because we really don’t know what he’s telling hitters – he may be doing/saying the right things), he’s the logical choice to go first.

    Him or Robby Thomson. Too many incidents of sending/not sending guys that don’t work out.

    Too much station to station base-running, even with Ellsbury, Gardner, Solarte, Ichiro running the bases. Too many times they’re not allowed or able to score from second on a single, or go first to third. It’s mind-blowing.

    So Kevin Long has to go. It won’t really help. But it might show that there are repercussions, and you can’t fire players. Well, you can’t fire players with long-term expensive contracts….

  19. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:24 am

    He’s not gonna suddenly be better than that just because he’s making a fortune

    ——————-

    Yes he will, he’s going to hit 30 HRs and OPS .928!!

  20. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    June 3, 2014 at 9:17 am
    blake – Exactly. And in reality, we’ve gotten VERY lucky with Tex this year. I mean, he actually looks like a middle of the order bat! Which should have wholly unexpected!

    Yea for a hot second until he got hurt again……it was a tease I’m afraid.

  21. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:26 am

    “Yes he will, he’s going to hit 30 HRs and OPS .928!!”

    Oh that one time! That one time he was awesome ….maybe he stored some of Papi’s gummies that year

  22. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:26 am

    it was a tease I’m afraid.
    ——
    took bautista 2 years to come back from that injury. he is going to in and out quite a bit, can’t rely on. different body type et al…

  23. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:27 am

    final assessment, this team is better off selling than buying.

  24. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Cashmoney -

    Then we need to hope that they’re so far off the pace they’re not even tempted to buy.

    It’s counterintuitive, though, to root for your team to lose…..

  25. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Ellsbury is a good player…..I like watching him…..he plays hard and he does do a lot of little things that help you win games……but he’s not a 150 million caliber player…..the yanks don’t have a star level player right now who actually can perform that way. Jeter is a star …..but he can’t produce like one at age 40.

    This club has zero prime aged stars…..Morales would probably immediately be their best hitter

  26. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 9:31 am

    I posted this earlier. Chad another Random Thought:

    Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2014 at 8:16 am
    Here’s a thought. I’ve talked about the Shift,specifically the Maddon Rays Shift, that was formulated when they hired two technical assistants a few years ago. It worked because all the pitchers bought into it and pitched inside, they had good defensive infielders, who during pitches might move to cover more ground.

    Now we see the Yankees Shift. Pitchers haven’t bought into it, and when they do shift the pitchers throw it wherever they want. You have an infield that is lucky to get to balls hit to them when they are not shifting, and now you have Jeter playing the entire left side of the infield when the Yankees are shifting facing a lefty.

    And a few weeks ago, we learned thru Baseball Info Solutions that the Yankees had a minus 3 runs saved, or should I say not saved, because of their shift.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Well the middlemofmthe order
    Thing isn’t exactly a revelation. It’s not new, either,
    It is possibly,’however
    Worse than ever, if that is possible.

    It’s why the Montero trade was so crushing to those of us who saw the demise of the lineup coming as far back as 2010. The fact that they also got rid of Cano just shows how they continue to not understand what a high OPS lineup meant to this team, in this ballpark, over the years.

  28. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Time is healing my Arod wounds…..I have no idea if he will be able to play next year but Id almost rather watch him hit from a wheel chair than half these guys

  29. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:33 am

    But I don’t think the problem is the rotating. It’s the players. If McCann isn’t hitting at catcher, why would he hit as DH? Same with Soriano, Beltran, anyone they stick in there right now.

    —————-

    I get what you’re saying but the overall pain point in that discussion was along the lines of ‘get someone that’s a professional DH and they’ll post better numbers than these guys that are going to be taken out of their comfort zone to DH’ or something like that. It isn’t just this year that their DH spot has under-performed. It’s an ongoing problem.

  30. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:33 am

    It’s counterintuitive, though, to root for your team to lose…
    —–
    the rebuilding should have started in earnest LY. now that they have tag on 500 mil more commitments with really a fraction of real talents in return i imaging the FO will not even contemplating such idea unless this team totally tanks.

  31. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:34 am

    The Yankees offense hasn’t been the same since Arod started to decline…..and the last two years when he couldn’t play it’s been dreadful. Some of it is just because overall the lineup has sucked…..but it’s hard to deny what he meant to their offense since 2004…….he carried it for a long time

  32. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Doreen, i just don’t think you can continue to entertain the fantasy that this team is one or pieces apart. jmo.

  33. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 am

    *pieces away from legit championship caliber team.

  34. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 am

    But blake, I’m not enjoying watching players who have little or nothing left. I don’t want to see ARod as as struggling guy who doesn’t have the mobility to field his position, and while he may still be able to rocket a few out, he’s not really going to be able to run the bases, and likely he’ll have flashes of good among spates of bad.

  35. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:39 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:32 am
    Time is healing my Arod wounds…..I have no idea if he will be able to play next year but Id almost rather watch him hit from a wheel chair than half these guys

    —————

    It’s funny because this was kind of the sentiment by the middle of last season too.. Arod is a lot of (awful) things but he’s a professional hitter and if people think he’s not a guy pitchers will try to work around they don’t know much about baseball. Even a diminished Arod was pretty impressive when healthy. I know that’s a huge qualifier at this point in his career, but based on what we’re getting from healthy McCann and Sori, he’d be better with one leg.

  36. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:39 am

    But blake, I’m not enjoying watching players who have little or nothing left. I don’t want to see ARod as as struggling guy who doesn’t have the mobility to field his position”

    I think I’m just missing the old days….realistically if he comes back he won’t be very good. I just miss having an offense……

    As a Yankee fan I’ve been conditioned over the last decade or so to handle bad pitching from time to time…..I can’t handle no offense…..it just irritates me so bad I can’t even watch them. I watched last nights game in like 20 minutes…….

  37. Bo knows June 3rd, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I keep coming back to, “Five Key Players”, out of the lineup.

    And after that I’m into “Damn, they’re actually doing pretty good.”

    Then I get to Kelly and Claiborne – back end of the BP. The woes of CC and Beltran and I get depressed all over again.

    Even with Solarte doing a Super, the offense is still sputtering. Not much to see there or to hope for.

    Then it’s Tanaka and Betances, that’s worth the money.

    So, it’s Tick Tock, Up Down.

  38. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:40 am

    aye blake, it drives me crazy to see fails on O.

  39. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 9:42 am

    so what can we do as fans?
    watch it happen or not is about it.
    most will continue to watch, maybe not go…
    we can whine and pine forever but that will hurt you more than them.

  40. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Cashmoney -

    I don’t think they’re one or two pieces away. I think they are miles away. I think they have built a Frankenstein monster – all the pieces are their, but they don’t add up to a functional whole.

    Right now, I’m rooting for body parts – Betances, DRob, Solarte, Murphy, etc.

    Also, where’s the heart?? Or who??

  41. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 am

    I think their best bet with Alex is to give him time at 1B. He should be practicing there during the off season along with 3B and (dead serious) RF. The power outage in the OF is going to continue with Ells and Gardner given long term pacts. Tex is probably going to continue to face injury problems as he has over the past few of seasons. If you have to pay Alex no matter what, I’d try to get the absolute most out of him. He’s not like Nunez where he won’t be able to handle the positions. I fully expect he’d play a very solid 1B. The OF stuff might be hard for him to get the hang of, but I’d try it anyway to see if I can maximize the lineup production.

  42. bruceb June 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 8:40 am
    This team is not built for Yankee Stadium”

    They aren’t built for any stadium right now.

    Just reading through the posts from last night and this morning…and this one made me chuckle. Well done, Blake.

    But amid the humor, it’s actually too close to the truth. This team is not built to overpower opponents, and it’s not built to play small ball either. It has absolutely no identity.

    We have three leadoff hitters at the top, three stiffs at the bottom and no middle order whatsoever. Tex and Beltran will help…but only if they’re healthy, and what are the odds against that?

    It’s like biting into a jelly donut and discovering they forgot the jelly.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 am

    McCann would have made much more sense if Robi were resigned. The idea
    That a few “good” players were going to compensate for the loss of a superstar, lefty-hitting GG 2B is a remarkably ignorant stance – again, it’s like the Jorge business: do Yankee fans watch the games?? How
    Many times have I read in here people saying “Cano’s not a superstar calibre player”? How many times
    Did people say Jorge should be benched? It really is unbelievable when fans of other teams have a more
    Sober grasp of who one’s own players Re than semwho watch and client on those players
    Virtually every day. And McCann has done a nice job with the staff and despite the Russell Martin comparisons, he has a clue at the plate. But really – he too has been compared
    Favorably in here with Posada: um, just no – he’s not ever going to be that, folks.

    Almonte – I’ve been griping for two years that they should let this kid play: Chad wrote
    That they. IDE him
    As a 4th OF. Sound familiar? I’m not saying he has Melky’s hit tool – I don’t think he does.
    But he has legit power, a very good two-strike approach, he improved his
    Defense, and I think he could be a better hitter RH than he’s shown. No matter – they do not like him and when they don’t like a guy they turn cold
    On him forever.

  44. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Bo,
    I agree it’s pretty amazing they aren’t in last place considering they can’t hit….they can’t field….and 3/5 of the rotation is hurt.

    They always fight…..at some point though merely overachieving to reach mediocrity isn’t good enough when you’re the Yankees though

  45. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Doreen, they have passed on numerous opportunities to get younger and better with their risk adverse strategy. in the end, you actually assume far more risks in giving mega deals to guys over 30s, just look at this team.

    as far as what to do going forward, i think we can start by selectively trade away pieces that might not be useful when rod, tex and cc contract expires. it’s long road and seemingly an impossible route for NYY to undertake. but they need talents as in plural.

  46. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 9:50 am

    “But amid the humor, it’s actually too close to the truth. This team is not built to overpower opponents, and it’s not built to play small ball either. It has absolutely no identity.”

    Their identity is mostly that they would have been awesome if this was 2007

  47. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Well, we can assume by the moves they made this winter that they did notice that attendance was down and viewership was down. We can debate the efficacy of the moves, but they did respond to falling interest (and dollars).

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I have significantly cut down on the amount of time the YES Network is on in my home. I used to religiously watch all pre-game shows and the post-game and the Joe Girardi show on Sundays. I almost never watch the pre-game anymore, the post-game is hit or miss (mostly I watch now to see if Joe G ever finally will just say, “we stunk today” which I know he never will say publicly), and I’ve decided the manager’s report show is a waste of time. Even as far as the games go, I think I’ve watched two all season from beginning to end. We tend to switch back to check on the score, but we’ll watch playoffs games from other sports, or reruns.

    There is a malaise. And you know what, I was one of the fans who was always trying to see things from the owner’s/management’s point of view. I could always find rationale for the actions or inactions. But watching the mental lapses on this team is painful and while I stick by the thought that no one can predict some of what has happened the last two years, certainly last year should have been a warning signal to be careful how they constructed this year’s team.

  48. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Injuries are again at the crux of the problem, just like last year.
    All the moves would have us in 1st place about now if this team wasn’t once again decimated.
    Whining about Cano doesn’t bring him back or guarantee anything…

  49. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 9:52 am

    at some point though merely overachieving to reach mediocrity
    ———
    i had this discussion with a friend last night. MLB’s wet dream is yankee having a bloated payroll and middling record every year.

    did we really accomplish anything ly by having 80 wins season and not selling off?

  50. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 9:53 am

    “Speaking of Soriano’s at-bats, Zoilo Almonte would seem to be a reasonable alternative to DH against right-handers, but it just seems that Girardi isn’t sold on him. He really has no role on this team.”

    —–

    A point that I and many others have raised. And it begs a the question: then what is he doing on the team? A question that will be moot in a few days when Beltran comes back.

  51. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 9:56 am

    blake -

    I was okay and actually proud of last year’s team always fighting and never giving up. And I do appreciate that this team has some fight, as well. But second year in a row, leaves me cold at the end of the day. It’s a consolation prize, and unfulfilling. Plus, I see them fighting, but falling short more times than not, and that’s depressing. Plus, plus, they are beating themselves, and I am really really really not used to that, and not okay with that, and I don’t know how ownership/management can not have something to say!!!!

  52. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 9:57 am

    What will it take for Hal to get off his ass and do more, that is the question.
    What will he do and who will be in charge is another.
    Both Cashman and Girardi have equity from their 2009 Ring that will wear off soon, we hope.
    Girardi certainly must like these players as they are built in his image, supposedly good defense and pitching, but weak hitting.
    With his new deal, it might just be a question of how much suffering he can endure.

  53. Bo knows June 3rd, 2014 at 10:00 am

    They always fight…..at some point though merely overachieving to reach mediocrity isn’t good enough when you’re the Yankees though
    —————————————
    Well, consider the humor – Jeter covers the whole left side on the shift when he has the range of two feet – step left, step right and fall down. Roberts circling 2B to get some force on the throw to 1B. The trials at 1B

    There’s a lot of “Aaargh” plays out there.

    As you said, “They’re using the shift to cover up no defense” and look esposed doing so.

  54. Chip June 3rd, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Musings and Misgivings

    Zoilo Almonte has become this year’s Austin Romine. He’s a regular who is used sparingly and then viewed as ineffective when he’s unable to produce after sitting for 6 days.

    When Beltran comes back the natural thought would be a platoon of Sori and Ichiro, the problem there will be that the more Ichiro plays, the more he’s going to look like the old Ichiro instead of of the Ichiro of old. Part of what’s allowed him to be so good is that they aren’t taxing him. When Beltran comes back Almonte should be the regular RF against RHP.

    I would seriously consider DFA’ing Kelly Johnson and calling up Kyle Roller right now, especially if they’re going to try to give Tex days off swinging LH. Johnson’s not hitting and he isn’t fielding. I realize that would leave the team thin in the infield with Ryan and Solarte being the only players with positional versatility, but Johnson is just bad (which is a shame because I thought he would be much better)

    That would mean, my lineup against a RHP would be:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Beltran – DH
    McCann – C
    Solarte – 3b
    Roller – 1b
    Almonte – RF
    Roberts – 2b
    Gardner – LF

    Eventually you hope Tex is back playing every day and Beltran is regularly in the OF so you can have

    Ellsbury – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Beltran – RF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Solarte – 3b
    Roller – DH
    Roberts – 2b
    Gardner – CF

    Aceves has to go. He is a walking white flag.

  55. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:02 am

    And it begs a the question: then what is he doing on the team?

    —————

    They do this all the time. The reality is this team doubled down on their vets this off season.. the kids getting a chance is something people were begging for over the past few years… it’s not how they operate. I don’t agree with their logic, but it’s how they’ve set up this ball club.

  56. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 10:03 am

    How much longer before they DFA Soriano?
    It looks like he has given up.

  57. Tackelberry June 3rd, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Agree 100% Shame. Is there anyone here who DIDN’T think that Soriano would strike out with 2nd and 3rd and 1 out in that 4th inning last night?

  58. longtimefan June 3rd, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Problems abound for this team, most of their own making, giving big contracts to Ellsbury, a good but not great player, McCann, a good but not great catcher, Thornton, an over the hill lefty that looks pretty much fininshed, expecting an average at best player like Johnson to somehow excel this year, an average 2nd baseman in the twilight of his career, counting on CC to be an ace, bring back an aging Kuroda that was gassed at the end of last season and the list goes on, this is on the decision makers not the players, if someone is going to pay you top dollar why refuse the money.

  59. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:05 am

    I think we posted a losing record in June 2013 which pretty much put the team out of contention (aside from the WC2). What will we do this June? I think they’ll hang around within 2-5 games of the WC2 for the remainder of the season given the state of baseball. But I dunno that they’ll ever really be ‘in it’ unless they make some additions (and subtractions).

    I don’t really care if guys like Ramirez or Burawa or Pinder are ready… I wanna see them up here now. Who can be worse than Thornton and Aceves?? At least we’d get to test them out for 2015.

  60. Tackelberry June 3rd, 2014 at 10:05 am

    mick June 3rd, 2014 at 10:03 am
    How much longer before they DFA Soriano?
    It looks like he has given up.

    _____________________________
    They won’t. Yanks don’t do things like that. They are too seduced by his RH power which they feel could resurface at any time. Problem is most teams know what a sucker he is for the breaking stuff down and away or the fastball down. He simpley cannot lay off it, so expect it to continue

  61. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Shame -

    That’s how I’m feeling. How much worse can some of the young guys be than the veterans who look like they are out of gas????

    You would think at least there’d be the energy of youth. But you and I both know that if that youth comes up and stinks, well, the mantra “at least they’re young” isn’t going to cut it either.

    I don’t know.

  62. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:08 am

    They won’t. Yanks don’t do things like that. They are too seduced by his RH power which they feel could resurface at any time

    ————–

    Also: money.

    They made that deal specifically to get a cheap player. They’re not doing anything with him other than continue to play him. If they did it with Vernon, they’ll do it with Soriano.

  63. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:09 am

    “did we really accomplish anything ly by having 80 wins season and not selling off?”

    Nope…..

  64. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 10:11 am

    They won’t. Yanks don’t do things like that.
    ===========================
    If this is the case then get used to what you are seeing.
    The only remedy is for Hal to sell the team.
    And he will when the price is right.
    Hopefully it will not be to another conglomerate like the CBS fiasco.
    Cuban should be on the ready, he is built in the George mode.
    Make Hal an offer he can’t refuse.

  65. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Last night was a perfecf night to “rest” Jeter…..Felix is a terrible matchup for him and the only way they were gonna win last night was in a low scoring game. So sit Jeter and play Ryan at SS….

    Them playing Jeter every game even against bad matchups is doing nothing but hurting the team and also hurting the back of his baseball card in his final season.

    I’m not saying sit him against every right hander…..but the worst matchups like Felix they should…..he needs more rest anyway

  66. mick June 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 am

    blake what seems obvious to you is evidently not to Girardi.
    he snapped the other day blaming the players, throwing them under the bus.
    he is just too rigid.

  67. Chip June 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 am

    The Beltran and Tex injuries are crushers because they force so many people into the wrong spots in the lineup.

    Ellsbury is not a 3 hole hitter…He’s an elite leadoff hitter who is trying to be Paul O’Neill in the 3 spot and it doesn’t work.

    Solarte was a minor league free agent 3 months ago and now he’s being asked to bat 5th and protect the one legitimate power hitter in the lineup, it’s making him feel like he has to produce power too which isn’t his game.

    And, of course, Soriano can’t hit – at all.

  68. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 am

    I like Girardi as a manager in general.. but he’s at his best when the team is on auto-pilot. The more he tries to maximize the line up the worse it is (shifting, batting orders, etc).

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 am

    I’m gonna be on them
    Forever
    About fumbling away Cano – you and your FO fawning and incessant trolling and your “Hal has a plan” sideshow just gonna have to deal with it, I guess.
    ////

    Judge hit another yesterday. That’s something…
    :)

  70. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 10:15 am

    like i said blake, i think MLB’s wet dream is for the NYY to have a bloated payroll, subsidizing it’s brethrens and having a middling record every year.

    that, seems to be the way this team is headed without some soul searching in the FO.

  71. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Transition: Moving from point A to point B. Where point B is hopefully a better place but at a minimum, is a different place.

    –Moving from a rotation headed up by CC to one headed up by a dynamic, new and young major leaguer, Tanaka

    –Going from complete obscurity to a major league starter with average to above-average potential and becoming possibly a long term infield solution–Solarte

    –Going from failed starter and possible multi-year minor league bust to becoming one of the most dynamic relief pitchers in the game–Betances

    –Going from quality eight inning set up man to closer–Drob

    –Going from after-thought minor league pitchers to back of the rotation starters and getting the ball every fifth day–Nuno and Whitley

    –Gong from quality “utility pitchers” to having defined and regular roles in the middle of the rotation and as the set up man–Phelps and Warren

    –Soon to be going from an aged everyday RF to an aged everyday DH–Beltran

    –Bringing in high-priced FAs who are most likely going through “a period of transition” to acclimate themselves to playing in NY and Yankee Stadium–McCann and Ellsbury

    –Going from well-regarded prospect to BUC and perhaps a lot more–Murphy

    ——-

    So there you are—Transition Year

    But there’s much more to it than even what I’ve said above. It’s about getting past an icon and preparing the team for his replacement. It’s about Soriano and Ichiro who are in the last years of their contract. Replacing them in some way and easing them out. It’s about Burawa and Ramirez who will likely get their major league audition in the pen later this year. And I will it was about Almonte but sadly it’s not.

    2014: Transition Year. Let the kids (Tanaka, Solarte, Betances, Nuno, Whitley, Phelps, Warren, Murphy) play!

  72. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Cashmoney says:
    June 3, 2014 at 10:15 am
    like i said blake, i think MLB’s wet dream is for the NYY to have a bloated payroll, subsidizing it’s brethrens and having a middling record every year.

    The yanks are giving it to them

  73. DONNYBROOK June 3rd, 2014 at 10:18 am

    - TUESDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) Whenever someone starts throwing slash lines out there, that cover a Limited amount of playing time, (like Chad has done with Jeet), I Always ask, “What teams/pitchers did he face”? End of discussion.

    (2) 7th inning, tie game, King Felix looking strong, Phelps still in the game, and NOBODY warming in the Yankee pen? BONER

    (3) With Every ball that Johnson boots, and every time I hear the name Morales mentioned, I am reminded that the Yankees Refused to give Reynolds a major league contract.

    (4) Aceves should be 86′d before he gets the Yankees into an absolutely unfounded brawl. He gives up homers, and then wants to drill the next hitter. Plus, he has a reputation for this type of behavior, and teams are anticipating his actions.

    (5) This Yankee team has More balls glance off of its’ mitt than Any I have Ever seen. Not even close. What happened to, “The ball hits your glove, you should catch it”?

  74. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:18 am

    “2014: Transition Year. Let the kids (Tanaka, Solarte, Betances, Nuno, Whitley, Phelps, Warren, Murphy) play!”

    They are playing…..the only one who isn’t is Murphy and that’s because they owe McCann 85 million…….McCann will still be fine IMO…..but they are letting the kids play……at least the ones you mentioned

  75. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:23 am

    “They are playing…..the only one who isn’t is Murphy and that’s because they owe McCann 85 million…….McCann will still be fine IMO…..but they are letting the kids play……at least the ones you mentioned”

    —-

    Duh! That’s my point. The kids are playing (except for Almonte). That’s one of the main reasons this is a transition year.

    And this needs to continue. The auditions. I’ve said many times that the replacement guys are auditioning for starter roles in the future. The AAA relief guys need to start that soon.

    Transition Year–Embrace it!

  76. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Duh! That’s my point. The kids are playing (except for Almonte). That’s one of the main reasons this is a transition year.”

    Come on man…..of those players you listed 3 of them are relievers and two are either back end starters or minor league ones (Nuno).

    Murphy is blocked right now and Solarte “might” can solve 1 position…….

    The problem is that this is it……these are the kids and there isn’t much else on the way so what makes you think next year will be any different than this one? If you’re not transitioning to anything then it’s not a transition year

  77. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 am

    “Solarte was a minor league free agent 3 months ago and now he’s being asked to bat 5th and protect the one legitimate power hitter in the lineup, it’s making him feel like he has to produce power too which isn’t his game”

    —–

    I think this could be true. You see it in some of his ABs. But that doesn’t mean he should hit at the bottom of the order either. Perhaps batting 2nd would work and maybe work him slowly into 3rd spot.

  78. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:33 am

    They are transitioning to an even older Sabathia, Tex, Beltran, and McCann next year!!

  79. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:34 am

    “Come on man…..of those players you listed 3 of them are relievers and two are either back end starters or minor league ones (Nuno).”

    —-

    I don’t get the point. Are you saying new and young high leverage relief pitchers and 4th and 5th starters aren’t valuable?

    If you objectively review what I’ve written you’d see that that is an ENORMOUS amount of change over just 1/3 of a season. And most of that was not even part of any off season plan. It’s pretty much being done on the fly.

    A team in transition or a team integrating young players as in “let the kids play” doesn’t necessarily mean Mickey Mantle is replacing Joe D. Gee Whiz. Tough Crowd!

  80. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:35 am

    “I don’t get the point. Are you saying new and young high leverage relief pitchers and 4th and 5th starters aren’t valuable?”

    I’m saying that isn’t the foundation of a team……who is coming next year that’ll make this a transition year ?

  81. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:36 am

    They are transitioning to an even older Sabathia, Tex, Beltran, and McCann next year!!

    —-

    With a likely new and improved SS!!

    And an older and better Third Basemen haha! Well no plan is perfect.

    Lots and lots of change. Much more to occur.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Betances is only a reliever because they have low ambitions for their highest upside arm.

    That’s how they think: small and not to lose rather than big and long term gain.

    Time for new and brighter minds

  83. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:36 am

    The problem is that this is it……these are the kids and there isn’t much else on the way so what makes you think next year will be any different than this one? If you’re not transitioning to anything then it’s not a transition year

    —————

    They’re not really moving away from the bigger problems on the club. Like, yeah, they transitioned from CC to Tanaka on some level but still need a starter for 2015 based on the State of the Rotation at this juncture.

    They’ve gotten incredibly lucky with Solarte, but there are two more INF holes waiting for them in 2015 with no apparent replacements in AAA at SS or 2B/3B – depending on where they see Solarte playing next year. Tex is going to be injury prone going forward (as will Alex, which is kinda why I’m hoping maybe they can tag team 1B).

    I guess they could transition to one of the minor league OFers as their 3rd/4th OFer for 2015 but if not Almonte I dunno who’d they’d target. More likely they sign some aging vet to platoon with Beltran in RF.

    Murphy has been a bright spot along with Warren and Dellin in the pen. I hope Murphy plays a lot more. If Tex is taking days off I’d rather have McCann at 1B than Johnson even if it puts them in a tough roster spot with only two catchers available and both in the line up.

  84. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:39 am

    You can only lead a horse to water. . . .

    Next issue.

  85. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:40 am

    It will all depend on how deep their pockets are this off season… as usual, really. They’ll have to buy at least one starter – probably front line to be competitive next year – and an INF. I’d say they’d also need to address the pen, but since we already have Thornton signed for next year we should be fine!!!

  86. Madrugador June 3rd, 2014 at 10:44 am

    First, i am not in favor of Betances moving into the starting rotation.
    Got that out of the way.
    Having said that, this starting rotation has such a need for pitchers that the team will have to take a chance at putting Betances back in. This could completely flop with the result that you would lose Betances as a reliever and maybe even for his career.

    I do think McCann needs to play more first base. Kind of thought that was the idea of why he got so many years in his contract. Never expected him to play all those years behind the plate. First base would be the natural fit for him especially once Teixeira goes.

  87. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:47 am

    With a likely new and improved SS!!

    And an older and better Third Basemen haha! Well no plan is perfect.

    Lots and lots of change. Much more to occur.

    ————–

    If they’re not interested in trading Gardner, I think the team is pretty set through 2016: Gardner LF, Ellsbury CF, Beltran/Someone RF/DH, Tex 1B, McCann C, CC SP, Tanaka SP, Solarte 2B/3B, Arod… somewhere…

    Solarte could be the 3B or 2B going forward and they need to find other INFers that can do things like catch and throw I suppose. Asking for them to hit as well might be a reach. If they get a Hardy or Lowrie to play SS that’d work for a couple of years. A power hitting 3B would be ideal but the cost would likely be more than they’re willing to spend. They’ll probably also add another long term SP deal this winter, allocating big money to 3/5ths of the rotation.

  88. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 10:50 am

    “It will all depend on how deep their pockets are this off season… as usual, really. They’ll have to buy at least one starter – probably front line to be competitive next year – and an INF”

    —-

    I’ve pointed this out several times before. To achieve that 2-3 year run of excellence there is much more work to do. I’m not even sure the job is half done. The Yanks need to replace Jeter and add I believe a frontline starter next offseason. I don’t see how that can be done without bringing the payroll to the $230MM range.

    I thought in the offseason the big test for Hal was Tanaka. That’s actually what got him over 189 though I believe he was going that way anyway for reasons I’ve outlined before. He passed that test. The next big test is next offseason. Will he add this payroll?

    As Hyman Roth would have said–Morales is small potatoes.

  89. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 10:51 am

    But amid the humor, it’s actually too close to the truth. This team is not built to overpower opponents, and it’s not built to play small ball either. It has absolutely no identity.

    Bruceb, Cashman’s quote should be, “The fault in not in the stars but in ourselves.” Cashman made a mistake in his concept of a balanced team as he must have been concerned about beating the shift in the age of computer baseball. The question is where do we go from here? If Robertson would have had is stuff like the night before, they could have won the Twins game. If the formula works when the four fading starters only pitch five or six inning, then we have to go with it, and as Alfred says, bring up Raimarez and Burawa when Betances and Warren can’t pitch. Let us see how far the Yanks can go with the bullpen. I remember last year the reminders on this blog of each teams schedule with the notation of the difficult and easy games that each team had in order to reach any of the three positions to play in October, and the Yankees were still in contention before I left New York for the Sunshine State. I don’t know if this formula can be sustained as it failed last year when the bullpen burnt out, but at this stage, what is the alternative?

  90. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2014 at 10:51 am

    This is not a transition yr.

  91. Doreen June 3rd, 2014 at 10:53 am

    I think I’m catching on.

    They will do just enough to get season ticket sales at an acceptable level. Once the tickets are sold, so what?

    And they’ll do the same after this year.

    They will look competitive on paper, and if they wind up competitive – hooray! If not, well, you know, what can you do about injuries?

    They won’t ever rely on young players because there’s no “on paper” to point to.

    But you know what, Free Agents, on the way out or not, are not going to take the Yankees’ money anymore if the Yankees aren’t putting a winning team on the field – they’ll go somewhere else for a better shot at their last chance for a ring. And then where does that leave the Yankees? Maybe with some really good draft picks for a few years.

  92. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:54 am

    @WheresKernan Wrote many times Yankees would miss Cano in so many ways. Great hitters are just so hard to come by and replace.

    Lol, Kernan trolling us.

  93. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 10:54 am
    ————–

    No they don’t need that lazy bum.

  94. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 10:59 am

    I’ll believe they spend big again next winter when I see it…..

  95. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:00 am

    More than likely you’re gonna see Cashman have to deal what prospects they do have for answers……

  96. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:03 am

    I’ve pointed this out several times before. To achieve that 2-3 year run of excellence there is much more work to do. I’m not even sure the job is half done. The Yanks need to replace Jeter and add I believe a frontline starter next offseason. I don’t see how that can be done without bringing the payroll to the $230MM range.

    ——————–

    Right but it doesn’t align with the ‘let the kids play’ mantra well. Not if the main caveat is that they need to spent a bunch of money again. I mean, yes, there will be kids on the team assuming they aren’t traded (Tanaka, Solarte, Dellin, Warren, Murphy – hopefully Ramirez, Burawa, etc.). And I’m not minimizing the importance of the roles those guys play. The Tankees are my favorite team so of course these guys are major contributors… but it’s gonna require cash to make this team a favorite in 2015. It’s gonna take straight up cash to improve the club for next year, and that’s even if they don’t fill all the holes.

    To me, filling all of the holes means signing an SS, 3B, SP, retaining Robertson and adding a RF if they don’t think they have a viable option in the system. It’s more likely they’ll do two of the above and sign an SS and SP, bet on Alex as a platoon with ….someone.

  97. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:06 am

    And I’m the guy that said in February that the Yanks would win the AL. You can’t predict baseball, Suzyn, but just how bad this team is was completely unforeseeable, even to the biggest know-it-alls out there. If we had anyone at AAA, at least three guys would have been released already. I vote for biting the bullet, keeping prospects and reloading for 2016.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Hank – I personally do not wish to see Ramirez. I’d like to see him restored to a starter’s role.

    I would like to see Heredia though, plus Burawa. Pinder throws hard, so he’s also an option. Heredia has a nasty curve and throws two different changeups and can get groundballs off his fastball. He’s a guy who can go 2-3 for you if necessary and Burawa can be a nice one and done lightning guy. This is in lieu of Dellin back there, not in addition to him. He goes into the rotation. At least, that was my own thinking on that.

  99. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:07 am

    And Thornton is still in the majors becaaaaaauuuse……..

  100. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:07 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:00 am
    More than likely you’re gonna see Cashman have to deal what prospects they do have for answers……

    —————

    And if they do, it’s counterproductive because of the number of holes they’ve allowed to open over the last 2-3 off season. If you have to move any of Dellin, Murphy, Warren or even Solarte to fill a hole, you’ve created another somewhere.

  101. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Does anyone have a read on the 2015 payroll right now?

    Alex’s dollars being back probably brings us above $200 million already, right?

  102. Tackelberry June 3rd, 2014 at 11:10 am

    I agree Hassey. The last thing I want to see them do is trade 4 prospects for a middle aged starter or bat. I’d rather keep what we have and try to sign Kendry Morales after the draft. I’d make a bid for Samardjia, but its likely that Yanks can’t compete with what some other teams could offer. Maybe Jason Hammel if the price isn’t to steep.

  103. Tackelberry June 3rd, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Last night wasn’t on THornton. If Kelley Johnson fields that ball maybe her holds the runner or has a play at the plate. He struck out the next guy. I just think THornton needs more steady work.

  104. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Yeah – steady work collecting my recycling on Tuesdays

  105. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Hassey and Tackleberry – a WWE tag-team coming soon to a local church near you

  106. Tabbert June 3rd, 2014 at 11:13 am

    What’s really frustrating is that Beltran apparently will be incapable of playing RF. So, now he is our full time DH, and RF has become a black hole. Gardner, Ells, and Ichiro? You can’t have a Outfield without a single power spot. Sure would be nice if Beltran could play RF and we could sign Morales to be our DH. If he can’t play the field,he needs to just get the surgery. This is killing our flexibility. It’s not going to be easy to trade for a good, power hitting, corner outfielder.

    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Beltran
    Tex
    Morales
    Mccann
    Solarte
    Jeter
    Roberts

    Damn, that would have been nice. Thanks Beltran…..

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Kernan is trolling? He’s Captain Obvious.

    Who needs Kernan to tell anyone but Hal and some of the “Hal has a plan” pod people that losing Cano would be crushing?

  108. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 11:15 am

    “Right but it doesn’t align with the ‘let the kids play’ mantra well”

    —-

    Yes it absolutely does. You have to consider “let the kids play” in the context of the Yankees. The Yanks are never going to stock their entire roster with cheap homegrown players nor should they. For the Yankees, “let the kids play” means not solving every problem with their checkbook. It means getting Younger and Better. And in some respects, they are moving towards that path. But like last season and probably next season, free agent acquisitions have to be a big part of the model. Just not the only part.

    Really long term, that is past this 2-3 year Tanaka window, the Yanks are going to need much more production from the farm. We all know that. But for the Tanaka years, success will be heavily dependent on FAs, but, and it’s a big but, with a big assist from the farm and their young veterans.

    Hence, let the kids play!

  109. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:15 am

    reading Mariano’s book right now…so far not much insight except about his life in Panama before baseball

  110. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Does anyone have a read on the 2015 payroll right now?

    ——

    The Yanks payroll has been flat for awhile now. Around $210MM. Throw out last year. That was the outlier.

    I think if they sign Drob, they could make one big FA acquisition and keep the payroll at 210. The second big acquisition takes them to the $230MM range.

  111. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:21 am

    We all know what is going to happen. Teixiera will say his wrist feels stiff but better and the team will put him on the field. Beltran will say his elbow feels better and they will put him on the field as well. Morales will sign elsewhere later this week. Teixiera will play a few and miss a bunch. Beltran will have pain with repetitive activity and have surgery. We will see lots and lots of Ichiro and Soriano.

    It seems inescapable.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:24 am

    It was clear after my first live game this year that Beltran is quite diminished as a defender. He gimped after a foul pop up that even a moderately adequate RF would have gotten to. When you see it under your nose in real-time you realize how bad it is. Somebody argued that it wasn’t his knees but the elbow fom the fence play that has him out – therefore age isn’t a factor in his DL stint. No matter – his ancient banged up knees ARE a factor in the truth that he can no longer really play out there.

  113. G. Love June 3rd, 2014 at 11:24 am

    At this point a good break for the Yankees would be medical retirements of Tex and CC that were covered by insurance that would free up roster spots and money to go get healthy players.

    Although, since that medically retired money still counts against the cap Hal won’t spend it.

    We’re held hostage again by Tex. He’s one of the worst signings in Yankee history when you add up the dollars vs. performance.

    And if Morales signs here and doesn’t hit 60 HR’s in a month, he’ll be called a bust.

    That said, this team needs a power bat and he only costs money. Unfortunately, Hal likes keeping his swimming pool filled with money so he can lay atop it.

    “Sell the team”. That’s the chant we need at Yankee Stadium. They don’t want to win on the field. They want to win on the bank statement.

  114. Jerkface June 3rd, 2014 at 11:24 am

    We have Tanaka for only 3 more years after this. And god forbid any kind of TJS type injury happen within those 3 years, further reducing the Yankees window of ownership.

    They really do need to build around him. Whats the point of signing him, with the expectation of having him for only 4 years, if you’re going to muck about?

    I know people hate the idea of 10 year contracts, but knowing that Tanaka owns right now didn’t it make more sense to sign Cano or Choo instead of Beltran at the very least to put this team in a broader contention window?

    Beltran for 3 years was a huge mistake. They missed their chance on him twice and both times were far better times to sign him than this offseason. He is old, hella old. Choo for 31-34 and Cano for 31-34 would have been much better middle order guys to put with Tanaka.

  115. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:25 am

    instead of WS pennants, they should fly tax returns along the outfield walls

  116. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:27 am

    I know lots of folks will point to Grandy’s temporary metamorphosis, but who has come to NY and been made a better hitter by Long instead of a worse hitter?

  117. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:27 am

    The Yanks are never going to stock their entire roster with cheap homegrown players nor should they. For the Yankees, “let the kids play” means not solving every problem with their checkbook. It means getting Younger and Better. And in some respects, they are moving towards that path. But like last season and probably next season, free agent acquisitions have to be a big part of the model. Just not the only part.

    ————–

    I agree.. but if acquiring FAs this off season that are effective means dolling out money and years to vets, it works against the ‘let the kids play’ mantra, aside from those already contributing (Solarte, Murphy, Dellin, Warren, Tanaka).

    They’re going to have to add money to 2017 and beyond, which negates an opportunity to allow younger players to come up and fill holes and assist in lowering the payroll while still being competitive.

    The rotation alone could have 3 $100+ deals assigned to 3/5ths of it if they have to get a front line starter, right? So sure, Pineda, Nova, Phelps, Nuno are contributors on the back end but how much are they off-setting those big money deals? There’s still a massive financial commitment that’s hard to mitigate by just letting kids play (in spots that aren’t available unless CC gives up tens of millions and retires).

  118. Warning Track Power June 3rd, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Aceves: What more does he need to do so that he is sent back down to AAA
    or released???

    I know he’s the 25th man on the roster but aside from his 1st appearance, Aceves has been
    garbage on the mound. Last night was another example.
    I would prefer an unproven kid on the roster vs. Aceves at this point

  119. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:29 am

    The Yankees are not a day late and a dollar short. With respect to players, they are five years too late and many millions too long.

  120. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Jose Ramirez pitched three shutout innings a couple of days ago. They may be grooming him as Aceves replacement.

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Austimac – it’s an almost numbing experience to see
    This lineup in New Yankee Stadium when you go to a game.

    What they have done to This team over the last four plus years is a disgrace – a desecration of the pinstripes. How did we get here?? One bad decision after another. No wonder the place is empty. Breaks my heart, it really does.

    Derek’s final season …. So wrong. Please sell the team – you don’t deserve it

  122. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 11:33 am

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:00 am
    More than likely you’re gonna see Cashman have to deal what prospects they do have for answers……
    ___
    And so it begins again, the vicious cycle… Then filling in with the meager pickings of FA and the dumpster divers who swing out of their shoes and the run savers who don’t really save runs and can’t hit, and the overspending and adding more age… and waiting for Cliff Lee to sign with us as a FA… (oh, wait that already didn’t happen in 2010 and began our spiral of pursuing pitching and run saving over rebuilding our decrepit offense) if we had traded no one going back to post-2009, we would have a better team right now.

  123. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:33 am

    it’s the car that Cash loves so much that he tied down the rotted hood with kite string rather than make the call to 1800karsforkids

  124. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:33 am

    “We’re held hostage again by Tex. He’s one of the worst signings in Yankee history when you add up the dollars vs. performance.”

    That sad part is he finally changed his swing plane to where he looked like he might could produce again……then the wrist flaired…..sucks

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Austinmac – I do not want to see Ramirez up here. Bring Heredia.

  126. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Beltran for 3 years was a huge mistake. They missed their chance on him twice and both times were far better times to sign him than this offseason

    —————

    Had they signed Beltran to be a permanent DH for 2 years I would have been much more okay with that deal.. having him be a platoon RFer with Sori was turrible.

    I can’t believe he swung a 3rd year. And a NTC!!!! The Yankees were scared the Royals would sign him?!

  127. G. Love June 3rd, 2014 at 11:34 am

    The Yankees took 3 years off in team building to pursue budget goals.

    That’s why the product stinks right now. Almost every dynamic player in the game right now could’ve been bought with money and passion for winning, but instead were pushed aside for 189.

    I hope all the posters who chastised those of us for lamenting that 189 was strip mining the team are enjoying this uninspiring .500 team that looks to be playing out the string in the first week of June.

  128. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Blake – maybe Tex’s attempts at a level swing were the reason the wrist became bad in the first place

  129. Jerkface June 3rd, 2014 at 11:37 am

    This is the Yankees 2015 payroll right now

    Age 2015
    Alex Rodriguez 38 $21M
    CC Sabathia 33 $23M
    Mark Teixeira 34 $22.5M
    Masahiro Tanaka 25 $22M
    Jacoby Ellsbury 30 $21.14M
    Brian McCann 30 $17M
    Brett Gardner 30 $12M
    Carlos Beltran 37 $15M
    Matt Thornton 37 $3.5M
    Brendan Ryan 32 $2M
    Ivan Nova 27 Arb-2
    Shawn Kelley 30 Arb-4
    Francisco Cervelli 28 Arb-2
    David Phelps 27 Arb-1
    Michael Pineda 25 Arb-1
    Adam Warren 26 Pre-Arb-3
    Austin Romine 25 Arb-1
    Preston Claiborne 26 Pre-Arb-2
    Zoilo Almonte 25 Pre-Arb-2
    Vidal Nuno 26 Pre-Arb-2
    J.R. Murphy 23 Pre-Arb-2
    Dellin Betances 26 Pre-Arb-2
    Scott Sizemore 29
    Matt Daley 32
    Dean Anna 27
    Shane Greene 25
    Yangervis Solarte 26
    Chase Whitley 25

    2015
    Signed Players With Guaranteed Contracts (does not include players with options) 10
    Dollars Committed Value of Guaranteed Contracts (no options are exercised and includes buyouts) $159.1M

    Contract Options Players with any type of option
    Option Values Maximum value of options if all are exercised

    Arb Eligible Number of arbitration eligible players (1st-2nd-3rd-4th, “Arb” players = 3rds) 3-2-0-1
    Arb Costs Rough estimated value of all arbitration cases (uses 3-year averages for 1st yr, 2nd,..) $15.5M

    Other Players Additional Players Needed to Fill 25-man (no options exercised) 9
    Other Costs Estimate of Remaining Players Costs (based on 1-year avg of all pre-arb players) $4.5M

    Payroll (no options) Est. Total Payroll w/o Options (Guaranteed + Arb + Other) $179.1M
    Payroll (options) Est. Total Payroll w/ Options (Guaranteed + Options + Arb + Other) $179.1M

    179 if you count arb eligible players. Guys like Nova, Kelley, Cervelli, Phelps, and Pineda will take up some money with their arbitration. Thankfully the good guys like Solarte & Murphy & betances are pre-arb right now so they make peanuts.

    We have, under contract:

    C: McCann, Murphy
    1B: Teixeira
    2B: Solarte
    SS: Ryan
    3B: A-rod
    LF: Gardner
    CF: Ellsbury
    RF: Beltran
    DH:

    SP1: Tanaka
    SP2: CC
    SP3: Nova
    SP4: Pineda
    SP5: Phelps/Nuno/Whitley

    BP1: Betances
    BP2: Warren
    BP3: Kelley
    BP4: Thornton
    BP5: Claiborne

    We need: 1 DH or RF, 1 SS, maybe one more infielder depending on what A-rod is gonna do, 1 or 2 SP, 1 or 2 RP.

    I’d suggest retaining David Robertson, because I’m a believer in consistency in the BP being undervalued and having a veteran like him in the closer role frees up Betances/Warren (if they remain in the pen) to pitch as firemen.

  130. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Beltran for 3 years was a huge mistake. They missed their chance on him twice and both times were far better times to sign him than this offseason. He is old, hella old. Choo for 31-34 and Cano for 31-34 would have been much better middle order guys to put with Tanaka.”

    Yea we kinda all knew this…..I was ok with Beltran but he needed to be a complimentary piece and not the guy who was supposed to replace cano in the middle of the lineup…..he’s just too old for that.

    Tanaka is gonna opt out at this rate so he’s they need to make hey now…..plus you have to figure the best of the Ellsbury and McCann deals will be the first 3 or 4 as well…….this is a win now team that isn’t really built to win now sadly .

    I think they will chalk this year up to injuries again and Hal will force Cashman to makes trades his winter……they might can sign one player but I expect Sanchez etc to be gone this winter for an infielder or starter…….don’t think Hal will take the payroll any higher

  131. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 11:38 am

    “They’re going to have to add money to 2017 and beyond, which negates an opportunity to allow younger players to come up and fill holes and assist in lowering the payroll while still being competitive”

    —–

    Yes and no. By 2018 Tex, Arod and CC will be gone. They need to do a better job of course of mitigating backend FA contract risk but that’s much easier said than done. But saying No to Cano was a major step in that direction. Seems like they’ve drawn the line at 7 years. I think it should be 5 for guys over 30 but what do I know.

  132. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Hassey says:
    June 3, 2014 at 11:35 am
    Blake – maybe Tex’s attempts at a level swing were the reason the wrist became bad in the first place

    Nah he hurt it last year when he was still swinging straight up and down……it’s just an injury that takes awhile to heal. It took Baitista 2 + years to get right again.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Yankeefem – 11:33 hear, hear!! We’d still be the Yankees I expect, plus Tanaka

  134. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:40 am

    So when do the rays trade price?

  135. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Derek’s final season …. So wrong.

    ———–

    Same with Mo. Really frustrating from a fan perspective. Even just from a baseball fan’s perspective.

    Not to be dramatic, but the thought of his career ending with some meaningless game in Boston is like a knife to the heart.

  136. Hassey June 3rd, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Man this years team sux…it’s a feeling I hoped to never have again. I have no problem with winning only 85-92 games, as long as the team is still compelling to watch, like last year’s Indians.

  137. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Alfred, to our chagrin, Cashman will not allow Betances to join Tanake and give us a Spahn and Sain and instead of rain, three days of pitching mediocrity. If it is Heredia, Burawa or Pinder, can they give Betances and Warren a breather and be a bridge to Kelley and Robertson? As I said before with Kuroda pitching well last year, our bull pen kept us in the mix till both imploded. I do not see any other road to October this year but the bullpen shutting down the opposition for three or four innings when Tanaka is not pitching. As of now, we do not have enough short relief guys to get it done, but if we got our way and Betances could join Tanaka, we would not have to tax our pen as much.

  138. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 11:42 am

    “Somebody argued that it wasn’t his knees but the elbow fom the fence play that has him out – therefore age isn’t a factor in his DL stint. No matter – his ancient banged up knees ARE a factor in the truth that he can no longer really play out there.”

    —-

    I think this is probably true. I think best case for Beltran will be Chili Davis. Which actually won’t be so bad.

  139. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Cash,

    You said they should be sellers. Probably true, but unlike last year, we have little to sell that unless we think Robertson could bring something. Relievers don’t bring much. Soriano? Ichiro? Good luck.

  140. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:44 am

    The yanks had 3 players in yesterday’s lineup who have an ops over .700 and only 1 over .800…….sad ….

  141. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 11:44 am

    And Tyler, yes, Mason Williams’ catch was amazing! And Pruf, Judge is starting to hit HR but still has that sweet go with the pitch approach. What is not to love!

  142. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Tackel,

    All the work in the world isn’t going to give Thornton the breaking pitch he has never had. He used to survive primaily on a 98 mph fastball. He still throws hard, but not hard enough for one pitch.

  143. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:45 am

    You said they should be sellers. Probably true, but unlike last year, we have little to sell that unless we think Robertson could bring something. Relievers don’t bring much. Soriano? Ichiro? Good luck.”

    Might could get something for Ellsbury if they ate half his contract :(

  144. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:46 am

    dan – It all depends.. if I had more faith in the FO’s ability to plan and junk, I’d be less dubious they can pull it off and fold in young players to mitigate payroll costs.

    I’d assume a guy like Hardy gets ~5 years, Hanley would want ~6-8, any of the top SP’s would probably look for about the same. It’d be hard to get anyone on the market for the short term so they could drop off in 2018 or something and create a window where within 2 seasons you have the better part of a hundred million coming off the books.

  145. bigdan22 June 3rd, 2014 at 11:48 am

    So JF if I understand you right for next year they are at $180MM. Add Drob and it’s around 190. So basically one big FA acquisition takes them to status quo, 210. That’s what I figured. To add the second, it’s 230MM. And that’s the rub.

  146. BIG AL June 3rd, 2014 at 11:48 am

    I find it simply amazing, reading through so many negative comments here, that people would even bother following the Yankees, after all, they suck.

    Can’t people just accept that Cano is no longer a Yankee?

    Can’t they accept Montero is no longer a Yankee, and even if he were, as bad as the offense as been, would most likely be in SWB, as he is now in Tacoma?

    This may not be the best Yankees team, but, they are the team I root for, and support, win or lose. :)

  147. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2014 at 11:48 am

    G. Love June 3rd, 2014 at 11:34 am

    ———————

    Yep instead of saying alright let’s add pieces here and there to deal with the roster getting old let’s just hold it together with glue and hope for the best.

  148. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:48 am

    JF – Thanks for the breakdown. So with arb guys can we reasonably assume ~$185 is already on the books for 2015? Too high? Too low?

  149. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2014 at 11:50 am

    BIG AL June 3rd, 2014 at 11:48 am
    I find it simply amazing, reading through so many negative comments here, that people would even bother following the Yankees, after all, they suck.

    —————

    Well they do suck right now. They spent all that money to be 2 games over .500.

  150. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:50 am

    I still want a .gif of Phelps yelling at Derek. How did that not make the front pages after shush-gate 2013???

  151. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 11:51 am

    If he can stay healthy, add to that bullpen JRam. He is getting there: he pitched 3 innings on Sunday–3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, GO/AO 3-0, 44 pitches/27 strikes.

  152. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:51 am

    JAP,

    Why not on Ramirez?

  153. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 11:52 am

    JF, agree about DRob; RP are usually pretty fungible, but DRob is pretty darn consistent and one of the few exceptions.

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Hank – I don’t see why not. Burawa throws a sinker he can get up to 97 and Heredia, although he’s still on the come back trail would
    Only be doing what he’s already in for – short stints of like 3 innings and his offspeed looked seriously good to me.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Mac – Because I want him to go back to starting.

    Like Betances, he’ll excel in the pen and then they’ll throw away the key

  156. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    June 3, 2014 at 11:50 am
    I still want a .gif of Phelps yelling at Derek. How did that not make the front pages after shush-gate 2013???

    Throw the ball!!!!!! I don’t blame him……very un Jeter like brain cramp

  157. bruceb June 3rd, 2014 at 11:55 am

    When your offense stinks as badly as ours does, there is no chance of a blowout win. That means you’re totally reliant on Robertson, Betances, Warren and Kelley (when fit) to hold down any lead you happen to have.

    It’s like going to a casino to try and win back the money you lost the day before. The best-case scenario is that you end up even. But, more often than not, you lose everything.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Can you picture a rotation with Betances and Jose Ramirez to go with Tanaka??

  159. BIG AL June 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Come July, and Betances continues to be as dominate as he’s been, would you consider trading D-Rob to the Cubs for Starlin Castro?

    I would do it in a heart beat, because I don’t believe D-Rob is cut out to be a closer, he is far too inefficient a pitcher to sustain being a closer, and is best suited to be a set-up man.

    I foresee Betances becoming the closer, following in the path of Mo, from a 2 inning late inning pitcher, to becoming the closer.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Bruceb – you said it

  161. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Klapisch wrote a cloumn saying a number of interesting things. First, they talked with Morales yesterday, but even if they are interested they will have a number of teams competing with them including the Rangers and Brewers.

    He also said the team thought they could win 90 games if all went well. Let’s see–that would require bounce backs from an already diminished CC and Kuroda, Jeter to be Jeter, Teixiera to be healthy, Roberts and Johnson to be capable. I suppose they also believed they would win the mega lotttery as the chances were jsut about as good.

    Team motto-Planning? Who needs it while we can hope?

  162. Jerkface June 3rd, 2014 at 11:59 am

    I find it simply amazing, reading through so many negative comments here, that people would even bother following the Yankees, after all, they suck.

    People complain because they care and because following the Yankees is more than any given season. We watched as the Yankees CLEARLY messed up in the past few years in their macro strategy and how they implemented it tactically, and we spoke up because we cared about the running of this team and its outcomes.

  163. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 11:59 am

    BIG AL June 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 am
    Come July, and Betances continues to be as dominate as he’s been, would you consider trading D-Rob to the Cubs for Starlin Castro?

    —————-

    The Cubs would never make that deal. Why bother? They suck and Drob is only under contract for half a season.

  164. ac1 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I also see Betances as a future closer. Yankees will not invest money in Robertson at free agency with Betances dominating like he is.

    We all know Betances could be the number two starter on this team right now but they will be fun shy to take him from the pen when he is so dominant. Maybe if they decide to keep Robertson next year or sign a new closer, they will put Betances into the rotation….

  165. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Team motto-Planning? Who needs it while we can hope?

    ———–

    Was it last off season that someone wrote an article talking about all of the money the Yankees spent and asked if they actually got better? We kept referencing it. It was almost like the article was a major foreshadowing moment for the 2013 season. Seems like the same could apply this year.

    McCann needs to have a major second half.

  166. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    June 3, 2014 at 11:55 am
    Can you picture a rotation with Betances and Jose Ramirez to go with Tanaka??

    JRam can’t stay healthy enough to start and if they ever decided to try Betances as a starter again it’s be nice if JRam could come up and somewhat replace him in the bullpen……he’s got great stuff too….not like Betances but I could see him being very good in the pen

  167. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Al,

    We all watch and root. If we didn’t care it wouldn’t hurt. To me, watching a pathetic offense(next to last in home runs scored in NYS) is painful.

  168. BIG AL June 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Against All Odds June 3rd, 2014 at 11:50 am

    ******************************************

    Yes, they spent a ton of money, but, you can’t buy any guarantees as to health, nor performance.

    If the players can get, and stay, healthy, and perform up to their previous stats, this could very well be a contending team come September.

  169. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Come July, and Betances continues to be as dominate as he’s been, would you consider trading D-Rob to the Cubs for Starlin Castro?”

    Why would the cubs do that

  170. G. Love June 3rd, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    The Cubs would never trade Starlin Castro for Drob. They’re not contenders and Drob walks at the end of the season. That’s not happening.

    Drob can only be traded to a team trying to win a title. He has zero value to anyone else.

  171. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    I would love to see Ramirez in the SP, ain’t happening. Call us, the New York Homegrown Bullpen Brigade. SP developers, we aren’t except on the back end…

  172. ac1 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    People are overreacting to Phelps yelling. He yelled to throw the ball. Just happened to be Jeter had the ball.

  173. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Ramirez has never been healthy for a full year. He seems one to put in the pen.

  174. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Guarantee Jeter would say he woukd have yelled at him too…..phelps did nothing wrong.

  175. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Drob can only be traded to a team trying to win a title. He has zero value to anyone else.

    ————

    Drob to the A’s or Detroit are really the only matches I see (though admittedly I rarely follow the NL closely). People wouldn’t want to trade with possible playoff match-ups but being real, this team can’t make decisions based on who they might play if they’re maybe able to nab the second WC.

  176. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    ac – I don’t really think anyone is talking much about it lol. I just thought it was funny as sin.

  177. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    You might could get a good prospect for DRob from a contender …..depends on the team and how bad they want him.

  178. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    They won’t trade DRob though..:…they will hang around and try to grab a WC and then let him walk for a draft pick

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Blake -
    Well
    Gee, Pineda cannot stay healthy – let him replace
    Betances in the pen. The Yankees are not trustworthy – they claimed they could get rid of Viz
    (cb instead of change) because they had a
    Hardier double
    In Jo-Ram.’too soon to give up

  180. Cashmoney June 3rd, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    mac, you know who has values on this team. this team is more than a Morales acquisition away from being contender at this point. Drob and Gardner probably would garner most return this side of betance, murphy and T, so… it’s an idea.

  181. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    JAP,

    The options for Ramirez this year are relieve in the minors or in the majors. They will not change that. I prefer to watch him over Aceves.

  182. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:07 pm
    They won’t trade DRob though..:…they will hang around and try to grab a WC and then let him walk for a draft pick

    —————

    It does continue to amaze me… how they tried to change their business model without changing much of the way they do business.

  183. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    “Gee, Pineda cannot stay healthy – let him replace”

    Yea well I don’t want to about Pineda……I get emotional

  184. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees traded a productive major leaguer for a prospect or young player?

  185. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    “I prefer to watch him over Aceves.”

    Hopefully, once they “trust” his arm in the majors, JRam will get higher leverage situations than Aceves did. JRam is a lights out arm.

  186. Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Gee, Pineda cannot stay healthy – let him replace
    Betances in the pen.

    —————–

    Heh….hehehehehehe.

  187. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    austinmac, never. They don’t roll that way.

  188. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    “Gee, Pineda cannot stay healthy – let him replace
    Betances in the pen.”

    Yep, been saying the same for a while now.

  189. blake June 3rd, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    I would rather watch somebody out of the front row pitch than Aceves

  190. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    blake LOL

  191. pkyankfan69 June 3rd, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    They won’t trade DRob though..:…they will hang around and try to grab a WC and then let him walk for a draft pick
    ——————
    Think they will be able to make him a QO?

    What’s Drob going to get on the open market… 3 for $30M? I guess some of that depends on how the rest of the season plays out for him.

    I he’s in the 3 – $30M range he might just take the QO and make around 1/2 of that money in1 season.

  192. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I have said for some time I really have my doubts on 2015 spending. My best guess is Hal will say the spending this year wasn’t the answer and he is not spending more money without return on investment. As noted, we are not far from this years payroll already with AROD’s money.

  193. yankeefeminista June 3rd, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    :arrow:

  194. austinmac June 3rd, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Blake,

    I wish you had someone from the cheap seats should pitch. I can’t afford the front row.

  195. Hankflorida June 3rd, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 3rd, 2014 at 11:52 am
    Hank – I don’t see why not. Burawa throws a sinker he can get up to 97 and Heredia, although he’s still on the come back trail would
    Only be doing what he’s already in for – short stints of like 3 innings and his offspeed looked seriously good to me.

    The Yanks should not waste time and get these young guys here for one inning every other day. Jack Nicklaus watching Bubba Watson repeated Bobby Jones’s words when he first saw him, “This is a game I am not familar with.” I am not used to five inning pitchers building up pitch counts because they can’t challenge hitters and have specialist from the bullpen start at the 6th inning, but if it works, try it and see how far it takes you.

  196. Moschitto June 3rd, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Pineda was damaged goods when he got here. His record the second half of the 2011 season at Seattle shows that. He was declining rapidly, his starts were stretched out in September and he was shut down for the season early.
    When he cane to spring training in 2012 with New York, he had trouble breaking 90 mph on the gun. That had little, if anything, to do with being out of shape. He wouldn’t be able to sustain 96 mph or more, being out of shape because he would tire quickly. However, he would be able to reach it temporarily. He never did, then supposedly incurred the shoulder damage, which he likely came here with. He won one game after the All Star Game in 2011, his ERA jumped, and he wasn’t close to the pitcher Cashman thought he was getting. Yankee management will forever deny that he wasn’t healthy. Hogwash.

  197. nicholas June 3rd, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    We know Jeter isn’t the problem, but its the type of hits, except for the weekend were actually drove the ball against the worst pitchers, Girardi should make the move to Roberts #2 he was 1-2 hitter in Baltimore most his career

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