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Cashman: “If there are guys struggling in New York, I can’t wait”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 09, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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As the Yankees lineup continues to struggle — now 10 games in a row without more than four runs — the question becomes, how much longer does this have to continue before the team makes some sort of significant change? Mark Teixeira has returned from his wrist setback. Carlos Beltran is back from hiS bone spur scare. The regular lineup has, essentially, the same players who were chosen to open the season.

As some point, does the team simply need new hitters?

“We’re just trying to move this thing along,” Brian Cashman told Donnie Collins in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on Saturday. “If there are guys struggling in New York, I can’t wait.”

It’s an interesting comment from the general manager of a team whose lineup simply hasn’t been able to consistently drive in runs or hit for power, and the Yankees Triple-A roster has some interesting options. Would the Yankees be willing to give legitimate big league at-bats to one of these alternatives?

PirelaJose Pirela
Infielder/outfielder
.330/.367/.464 in Triple-A
Who? Mostly a second baseman and left fielder, also has time at third base and — in a pinch — shortstop. He’s recently been getting time at first base, which Cashman acknowledged is an effort to give the Yankees more Teixeira backup options.
Why? Because his bat has been awfully impressive. Was kind of a forgotten prospect for a while, but he’s hit enough in recent years to earn fresh consideration. He’s been especially good lately.
Why not? Because his defensive reputation isn’t great. Can he play second base well enough to be a reasonable alternative to Brian Roberts or Kelly Johnson? Would the Yankees trust that this year’s results are sustainable in the big leagues? Trust it enough to cut ties with a veteran?

WheelerZelous Wheeler
Infielder
.310/.358/.506 in Triple-A
Who? Had a strong spring. Has experience all over the field, including time at shortstop this season and some familiarity with the outfield corners. Has hit .340/.404/.553 against lefties this season.
Why? Because he’s a right-handed hitter who can play multiple positions and just might be able to help in a variety of roles. He made a good first impression on the big league coaching staff this spring.
Why not? Because he’s still never spent a full year at Triple-A. He’d recently split time between Double-A and Triple-A before the Yankees signed him this offseason and sent him immediately to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Is there a better chance that he keeps hitting like this, or that a guy like Johnson gets on track and starts hitting some home runs again?

GarciaAdonis Garcia
Outfielder
.305/.343/.455 in Triple-A

Who? Another right-handed hitter (which the Yankees could use). He’s primarily an outfielder but has played some third base this season and in winter ball.
Why? Because his overall slash line has actually improved significantly from month to month. He has some power and some speed and can play all three outfield spots. Could provide some of the power that the Yankees outfield generally lacks.
Why not? Because the outfield isn’t the Yankees biggest concern. He’d basically have to be an alternative to Alfonso Soriano? Similar to the question with Wheeler and Pirela: Is it more likely Garcia shows up and rakes or that Soriano gets on track and finds a productive middle ground between the beginning of this season and the end of last season?

RollerKyle Roller
First baseman
.306/.400/.551 in Triple-A
Who? Left-handed hitter restricted to first-base defensively, but his bat has been impressive in both Double-A and Triple-A this season. Leads Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in OPS.
Why? Because it seems he can hit. His defense leaves him limited to first base or designated hitter, but there seems to be potential as an all-around hitter with power. Yankees minor league staff have said good things about his dedication in the cage.
Why not? Because he would need at-bat opportunities at either first base or DH, and those at-bats aren’t available as long as Teixeira and Beltran are playing.

Sizemore 2Scott Sizemore
Infielder
.258/.325/.351 in Triple-A
Who? Veteran infielder with big league experience at second base and third base (plus one game at first base with the Yankees this season). He’s been up and down twice already this season and has hit lefties in his career.
Why? Because his overall slash line doesn’t tell the story. His value comes in his ability to hit lefties, and he’s hit .315 against them in Triple-A. Also has a decent track record against lefties in the big leagues. He has a 40-man spot.
Why not? Because calling up Sizemore would likely come at the expense of either Johnson or Roberts, and those two seem better equipped to play regularly because they’ve been able to hit right-handers in their careers.

Almonte 2Zoilo Almonte
Outfielder
.284/.327/.490 in Triple-A
Who? Switch hitter who’s best thought of as a left-handed hitter because he’s crushed righties and has struggled against lefties. Familiar because he spent part of last year and this year in the big leagues.
Why? Because he has power, and the current Yankees outfielders don’t (except Soriano who hasn’t been able to hit against lefties). Almonte could be, at least, a reasonable platoon option against right handers.
Why not? Because the Yankees already have three left-handed outfielders, and that’s essentially what Almonte is. Girardi didn’t give him at-bats last time he was in the big leagues, why would he suddenly get at-bats now?

You could make the case for others, beginning with the idea of finding a way to carry three catchers when Francisco Cervelli is eligible to come back. There’s also Antoan Richardson (who’s done a good job getting on base and stealing bases) and Russ Canzler (who’s typically hit lefties in his career and had a much better May than April). Ramon Flores and Dean Anna are both hurt right now.

Adding someone from Triple-A, though, likely means losing someone from the big league roster. Not stashing him in Triple-A, but losing him completely. That’s a pretty significant leap of faith. Guys like Soriano and Johnson have been awfully bad this year, but Soriano was an elite hitter as recently as last September, and Johnson has hit at least 16 home runs each of the past four years, including last season when he was a part-timer with the Rays.

Is there a better chance that one of them will rebound this season, or that one of the relatively unproven players can come up and actually do the job?

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230 Responses to “Cashman: “If there are guys struggling in New York, I can’t wait””

  1. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    I….. okay.

  2. solaris June 9th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    If? Ha.

  3. blake June 9th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Actions speak louder than cliches

  4. blake June 9th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Roller looks like fat Elvis

  5. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    “I can’t wait” sounds like something a guy would say if he disagreed with the off season approach.. or is that just me projecting?

  6. blake June 9th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    June 9, 2014 at 9:15 am
    “I can’t wait” sounds like something a guy would say if he disagreed with the off season approach.. or is that just me projecting?

    Yea ….I can’t wait for Cash’s book because I think we will find out he didn’t agree with a lot of things

  7. Brian June 9th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Someone should tell Girardi Johnson is an alternative at second base. Has he played even one inning there this season? Seems when Solarte and Johnson both play, or when there a defensive sub late in a game, Johnson goes to third and Solarte to second.

  8. 4TrainNorth June 9th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Or younger, fatter Berkman. I’ll take it!

  9. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Excellent summary Chad.

  10. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    If it were me, and admittedly it isn’t. I would try to find someone willing to offer a bag of baseballs for Johnson and replace him on the roster with either Wheeler or Canzler.

    Canzler can play 1st and 3rd and has been getting time in RF too lately which would make him an alternative to Soriano in the platoon with Ichiro.

    Wheeler can play all over the infield.

    In both cases, the Yankees need RH bats more than they need Johnson’s LH bat.

    If Johnson’s not able to back up at 1b (to the point where the Yankees would sooner use McCann or Cervelli there) then he has no role on this team. He’s not going to unseat Solarte at 3b or Roberts at 2b. And quite frankly if there is to be a change at 2b I would rather see Pirela there than Johnson.

    The issue will be whether or not any newcomers are played enough to actually be effective.

    Canzler, Wheeler, Pirela, Roller, Garcia, Almonte – they’re all playing well right now but they’re also all playing regularly. It’s a hard adjustment to come up after not playing for 4 or 5 days and be effective when you get the chance. We’ve seen players struggle in that role (Romine, Almonte) and we’ve seen Girardi bury them on the bench as a result.

    It seems like his mentality about young players is that they need to perform right away in a situation they have never been in before, or else he just doesn’t trust them at all.

  11. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Brian June 9th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Someone should tell Girardi Johnson is an alternative at second base. Has he played even one inning there this season? Seems when Solarte and Johnson both play, or when there a defensive sub late in a game, Johnson goes to third and Solarte to second.
    ———————

    Solarte is a better defensive 2b than Johnson is.

  12. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    blake June 9th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Roller looks like fat Elvis
    ——————

    If he can hit like Berkman did when he was 26, I’ll take that.

  13. Poetkiosk June 9th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Cashman does sound angry. And he has every right to be. It sounds like Hal is the big problem here, not really being a baseball person. He seems like an excel spreadsheet kind of guy.

    I’d bring up all the potential AAA guys and bench the vets who are doing nothing. I mean Roberts can be replaced by anyone.

    And McCann needs to be benched as well. He was a big part of the plan this year and he’s done nothing.

  14. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Words mean nothing…let’s see Cashman actually do something. He can start by playing Ichiro everyday over Soriano, bat Solarte 2nd and move Jeter down in the line (will never happen because they are scared of Jeter), sit Roberts and try Johnson at 2nd base. Play Murphy more over McCann. Cashman go ahead….

  15. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    If Cashman is angry about the lack of performance of certain guys all he needs to do is look in the mirror because he is the one who selected and signed them.

    ;)

  16. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    If Cashman is angry about the lack of performance of certain guys all he needs to do is look in the mirror because he is the one who selected and signed them.
    ——————

    Worth noting that Cashman’s contract is up after this year. He’s already caught some flack because the Farm System that he fought for control of has been disappointing.

  17. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Worth noting that Cashman’s contract is up after this year.
    ———–

    I think that Cashman is here for as long as he wants to be. I think that the Steinbrenners are so used to him being here that it’s easier to keep him then look for someone else. I don’t think that they want to get used to someone new.

  18. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Chip-

    It seems no one is held accountable in Yankeeland other than strength and conditioning coaches.

    W all the money Hal has spent you would think he would demand accountability.

    ;)

  19. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Worth noting that Cashman’s contract is up after this year.
    ———–

    I think that Cashman is here for as long as he wants to be. I think that the Steinbrenners are so used to him being here that it’s easier to keep him then look for someone else. I don’t think that they want to get used to someone new.
    ————————–

    I don’t think they would go outside the organization for his replacement. I think Randy Levine would just promote Billy Eppler.

  20. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    The way it should work is if your horse is eating hay but won’t pull the plow you get rid of him.

  21. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Eppler would just be another yes Man.

    Not what they need.

    They need to stop the in-breeding and bring in some fresh blood.

  22. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Chip-

    It seems no one is held accountable in Yankeeland other than strength and conditioning coaches.

    W all the money Hal has spent you would think he would demand accountability.
    ———————-

    He sort of started to last winter.

    When it was obvious that there weren’t enough options in the minors to field a competitive team and still hit $189 they went out and hired Mike Quade and Trey Hillman to help bolster the development side of things. A bunch of scouts were let go as well.

    I think that if the farm doesn’t produce a few guys who can help the offense in the second half of the season and Cashman has to go back to Hal for more money you’ll see more heads roll.

  23. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    And Randy Levine should stick to what he knows best.

    Which isn’t baseball operations.

    ;)

  24. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Chip-

    IMO Hal has been way too patient.

  25. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Yea ….I can’t wait for Cash’s book because I think we will find out he didn’t agree with a lot of things

    ————–

    It’s one of those things that I don’t have particularly strong feelings on. I mean, it’d be interesting to hear if he was handcuffed as we’ve speculated but at the same time, Cash has just not done a very good job within the parameters given to him. I defended him for a long time.. but over these past 3 or 4 seasons it’s almost been as if he’s been content to let the team suffer to prove a point rather than trying to make some proactive moves to help mitigate the budgetary constraints which were coming…..

  26. bruceb June 9th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    There are no alternatives right now. The players listed above would have been here already were they the solution. You can argue Almonte didn’t get a fair crack of the whip while he was up but he’s not exactly Bryce Harper or Manny Machado.

    We know the current lineup is capable of greater production. It’s just a case of riding out the storm and hoping it doesn’t last so long that we’re out of contention by the time the sun breaks through the clouds.

    Interesting that’s it all gone quiet on the Tex and Beltran injury front. I wonder just how healthy they actually are? I guess no news is good news.

    Isn’t this about the time of year when the beat writers surround KLong and quiz him as to why our “stars” are not playing to the back of their baseball cards? Heck, we’ve scored fewer runs than the Mets!

  27. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Eppler would just be another yes Man.

    Not what they need.

    They need to stop the in-breeding and bring in some fresh blood.
    ——————-

    I agree – the last time the organization had any fresh blood was in 1996 when Bob Watson and Joe Torre were hired. And the two of them got rid of some very popular Yankees (Mike Stanley, Randy Velarde, Bob Wickman). Cashman predates Watson and is so ingrained in the “Yankee Way” that I don’t know if he can operate in a new paradigm where you trade away popular players for long term success.

    His scouting and development team has also been intact for a long time with Kim Ng the only one to be poached by another organization (which tells you something about the way other organizations look at the Yankee scouting and development departments).

    I would love to see Hal split the Yankee presidency. Let Levine and Trost deal with the business side, they’re great at it. Hire John Hart to serve as team president and let him bring in a GM and people from outside the Yankee family to impartially evaluate the roster, the coaches, the scouts, the development people up and down the organization.

  28. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    I’m sure Cashman was over ruled on certain decisions and denied some resources for others.

    That said, there is a failure bullseye painted squarely on his back IMO.

  29. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Chip-

    Kick Cashman upstairs somewhere and do something like you say.

    But it seems unlikely.

  30. Moschitto June 9th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    McCann is struggling as much as anyone. I’m of the belief that Cashman’s statement does not apply to him. And likely not Beltran, as well.

  31. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    I think that McCann is the only player that isn’t playing up the way that he should be. Unfortunately everyone else is old or just not good. Who else is under performing that shouldn’t be?

  32. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Chip-

    IMO Hal has been way too patient.
    ——————-

    I think part of that is because Hal is still trying to learn his new role and what it takes to run a baseball team and how to measure organizational success beyond championships and budgets.

    He may be a Steinbrenner, but the fact is he’s a new owner who never gave any thought to owning a baseball team until about 5 years ago.

  33. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Chip-

    Well he’d better get a clue in a hurry.

    ;)

  34. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    MTU June 9th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    I’m sure Cashman was over ruled on certain decisions and denied some resources for others.

    That said, there is a failure bullseye painted squarely on his back IMO.
    ———————–

    We know he was overruled in a few places – Alex’s second contract, signing Raf Soriano, trading for Alfonso Soriano…that said, there’s no disputing the fact that he talked for years about how he would rebuild the farm system, yet in his tenure none of the top pitching prospects have reached their full potential yet he continues to employ Nardi Contreras and very few position players have come up and made an impact.

    Yes, Cano was a huge success, but he was an accidental one as the Yankees tried to give him away a couple of times because they failed to recognize what they had in him.

    Self scouting has been lacking in this organization.

  35. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Every loss is a WIN, a wonderful weekend has catapulted NYY onto a 500 plateau. You have a GM can’t wait but can’t produce may go back for more money but might not be anything out there.

    well, every loss is a WIN.

  36. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    I think that McCann is the only player that isn’t playing up the way that he should be. Unfortunately everyone else is old or just not good. Who else is under performing that shouldn’t be?
    ————————–

    Soriano is under-performing, even by Soriano standards. I didn’t expect him to play the way he did when he came back last year but I also didn’t expect him to be a complete zero.

    I thought Kelly Johnson would be better than he is with the bat. And I know he’s not a great defender, but his lack of athleticism at 1b is shocking.

    Carlos Beltran doesn’t fit into your dismissal of just being old or no good – he’s been hurt. As his health improves I expect his numbers to improve also.

  37. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    The yanks need a new gm from out of the organization and to get moving in the right direction. We saw what Cashman can do and now it’s time for someone new. Hal and Randy Levine have to leave the job up to someone else and stop getting involved with players since they know nothing about it.

  38. Ys Guy June 9th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    you can’t keep running the same squad out there. kelley johnson is toast, cut him.

  39. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    “We know the current lineup is capable of greater production. It’s just a case of riding out the storm and hoping it doesn’t last so long that we’re out of contention by the time the sun breaks through the clouds.”

    Really Bruce ?

    It’s already lasted 62 games.

    And we’re lucky we aren’t farther back.

    That luck won’t continue IMO.

    ;)

  40. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Chip,

    Soriano falls under the old category. He is 40 years old so I don’t know what you can really expect from him on an everyday basis. Also he was always a swing at anything in sight guy and now it’s getting worse as he ages.

    I would give Johnson a chance at 2nd base but they think that Roberts is still the Roberts of 10 years ago.

    Beltran has been hurt since he banged into that wall in Tampa. Hopefully if he gets healthy this year and he will be the good Beltran.

    McCann is killing them the most out of everyone that is struggling. He never gets big hits and he bats right in the middle of the order.

  41. Ys Guy June 9th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    id say get a new gm but i dont think the gm is calling the shots and i dont think they’re going to let the next guy call the shots either.

  42. Ys Guy June 9th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    this is what happens when two non-baseball guys run a baseball team.

  43. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Y’s-

    Unfortunately, you are probably right.

    Which negates the whole purpose anyway.

    A fresh POV is needed and one w significant autonomy.

  44. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Chip,

    Soriano falls under the old category. He is 40 years old so I don’t know what you can really expect from him on an everyday basis. Also he was always a swing at anything in sight guy and now it’s getting worse as he ages.

    I would give Johnson a chance at 2nd base but they think that Roberts is still the Roberts of 10 years ago.

    Beltran has been hurt since he banged into that wall in Tampa. Hopefully if he gets healthy this year and he will be the good Beltran.

    McCann is killing them the most out of everyone that is struggling. He never gets big hits and he bats right in the middle of the order.
    ———————–

    McCann won them a game in this last series. He had a brutal start to the season but his numbers are starting to creep back up.

    I agree that Soriano is old but he completely fell off a cliff between last year and this year.

    Kelly Johnson is bad at 3b and bad at 1b – he’s going to be awful at 2b. If the Yankees are going to replace Roberts I would rather they call up Jose Pirela to do it.

  45. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    As long as Hal looks at the bottom of his much-beloved spreadsheet and sees black he’s happy.

  46. kyyank June 9th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    I grew up idolizing Derek jeter but don’t his leadership abilities have to start to be questioned. He’s not putting the team first by not accepting a smaller role on the team. I love Derek but a two hitter hitting .250 and a shortstop with a step of range and a bunch of throwing errors is killing this team.

  47. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Ys Guy June 9th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    id say get a new gm but i dont think the gm is calling the shots and i dont think they’re going to let the next guy call the shots either.
    ——————-

    Which is why I think they need to split the job of President into two categories: President of Baseball Operations and President of Business Operations.

    Levine’s great at the business side, brutal at baseball. Hire someone from outside who knows how to build a team from within, has a track record of establishing a strong farm system and working on a budget and let that person rebuild the baseball operations side.

    The Yankees have some good personnel, it wouldn’t be a wholesale change – but if guys like Eppler, Newman and Oppenhiemer were the best and brightest in their fields they would have been poached by now. Last time any of them were connected to a job outside the Yankee organization was something like 3 years ago with the Orioles.

  48. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Jeter is not really what ails this Team.

    It’s that giant hole where the middle of our order should be that’s doing it.

    ;)

  49. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Chip -

    I think the issue is the owner – if the guys under him are doing what he wants, he’s not getting rid of anyone, changing anything. And I’d also have to wonder who would want the job after seeing how Cashman has had his autonomy stripped.

  50. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    If he can hit like Berkman did when he was 26, I’ll take that.”

    Dude if he could just hit like old Berkman Id take it

  51. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Kelly Johnson is bad at 3b and bad at 1b – he’s going to be awful at 2b. If the Yankees are going to replace Roberts I would rather they call up Jose Pirela to do it.
    ————

    That is fine with me. They have to try someone else because Roberts isn’t working. He is hurting them defensively and offensively. They have to forget about what he did years ago and see the player that he is now.

  52. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Jeter is part of problem, to say otherwise is simply unfair.

  53. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Soriano is a huge streak hitter, and I think a hitter like that is most likely to suddenly fall off. He is old now, looks bad at the plate, the streaks are going to be shorter and come farther apart. His production when not streaking will be worse. Even when he got incredibly hot last year he still ended the season at .255 .302 .489 .791. So a streaky soriano this season OBPs under .300 and doesn’t slug as much.

    He is a guy they could get rid of right now and not miss a beat.

  54. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Doreen-

    Maybe you put the cart before the horse there.

    Perhaps Cashman’s autonomy was stripped or reduced because he wasn’t getting it done when he did have the reigns ?

    That’s actually what I believe.

    ;)

  55. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    there could a match for Drob and Detroit.

  56. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    I wouldn’t get rid of sori because he is still one of their better options vs LHP…..he needs to be put into the Andrew jones role. That’s what he can do at this point

  57. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Well, the Angels interviewed both Oppenheimer and Eppler:

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....penheimer/

    It was in 2011, but still, they were considered.

    The Orioles also considered Oppenheimer at one point, but it never got to the interview stage.

  58. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Cashmoney says:
    June 9, 2014 at 10:24 am
    there could a match for Drob and Detroit.

    You rarely win trading with Donbrowski……he’d trade us a lemon for sure

  59. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    I think the Yankees are just so enamored with the idea of Brian Roberts as a pest on the bases and at the plate that they forgot that those attributes only really work when you can actually hit.

  60. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Cash-

    He might be but if the other issues weren’t his contribution to it would be rather small and easily overlooked.

    It gets magnified because of the middle of the order problems and the general lack of production.

    I am not opposed to him being moved within the lineup.

    In fact, it probably should have happened already.

  61. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Look at the deals he did last year that people scratched their heads over…..Prince was terrible and then hurt …..Fister has been hurt all year……

  62. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    D-Rob is going to be re-upped.

  63. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    I was thinking Solarte and Drob for Nick C and prospects. But you right about Dom, he is blend a scout/gm who rarely makes bad deal. but Detroit’s window might be shrinking, I think they might get desperate.

  64. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    I think the yanks keeping thinking the Roberts from 5 years ago is gonna magically appear if he keeps playing ……they refuse to admit players are old a lot of the time.

    Baseball is a young mans game again……the yanks need to get that…..none of these teams with dinosaurs roaming the field are doing well.

  65. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Blake-

    Kinsler has been way more of an asset than Fielder.

    The Fister portion was for the good young arm they got back.

  66. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I was thinking Solarte and Drob for Nick C and prospects. But you right about Dom, he is blend a scout/gm who rarely makes bad deal. but Detroit’s window might be shrinking, I think they might get desperate.”

    Yea I mean Id ask…..but who are we kidding ….they aren’t gonna sell anyway.

  67. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    MTU,

    Could be, for sure.

    But could be the other way, too.

    I have suggested in the past that we can’t know whether ownership ever fully bought into building up the farm system beyond lip service and a finite amount of funds. They might have said, yeah, go ahead, sounds like a great idea, and then not really followed through.

    There are things we can’t know.

  68. Ys Guy June 9th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Jeter is the centerpiece of this team this season. And he’s pretty bad now. It’s easy to point to other weaknesses and it’s clear that even with a better SS and with Ells/Gardner at the top of the order where they belong, things wouldn’t be that much better. But keeping him in the 2 hole and running him out to SS every day is ridiculous. He needs to bad down in the order when he plays and he needs to play less.

    They have been afraid to deal with jeter for year and now the tail is completely wagging the dog. This is having an outsized effect on this team.

    This retirement tour has been a complete disaster. If not for all the contracts and agreements tied to the retirement tour, I think Jeter would seriously be thinking of calling it quits now instead of playing out the year. And I think the team has made commitments to keep jeter as the starting SS and batting him up in the order as part of this retirement partnership agreement they’ve worked out.

    Jeter is not killing the team, but Jeter and his retirement tour is a very significant problem that is dragging this team down.

    If it’s not all about winning, then it’s about something else. This team is about something other than winning now.

  69. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    MTU says:
    June 9, 2014 at 10:29 am
    Blake-

    Kinsler has been way more of an asset than Fielder.

    The Fister portion was for the good young arm they got back.”

    They don’t make lot of dumb moves……Id be pretty cautious dealing with them.

  70. bruceb June 9th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Mike:

    I’m not usually an advocate for standing pat…as you know, I’m not a man of patience.

    But you have to figure some of these guys – particularly Soriano and McCann – are due a hot streak sooner rather than later. Not sure Tex and Beltran are healthy enough to go on a tear.

    Now Drew and Morales have been snapped up, there’s nothing out there anyway. People keep clamoring for the kids. Yet all I keep reading about our farm system is of kids not living up to their potential.

    The way baseball works, the team will start hitting and the starting pitching will then fall to bits!

  71. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    It would disingenuous for me to blame it all on Cashman, afterall, FO did meddled the 3 previous year. but simply look at the assets he bought for 500 mil, one can argue it could have spent better elsewhere.

    every loss is a WIN to me right now, I like to see changes.

  72. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Roberts and Soriano could be replaced right now… but people will frame it as a ‘panic’ move in early June.

    I feel like I need to keep reminding everyone that last season was lost in the month of June. You can’t keep playing from behind forever.

  73. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Cashmoney -

    But what if ownership said, we’re standing firm on Cano – then, there’s no negotiation that Cash can do there. Also, if ownership, once digesting that Cano wasn’t coming back, told Cash, we need a name, get Ellsbury – how do you blame Cashman?

    I think it all begins and ends with where ownership wants to spend its money.

  74. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Doreen-

    You are right.

    We don’t really know.

    Bruce-

    Watching a roof cave on ya’ but hoping it won’t is not what works for me.

    I’m shoring it up before it collapses completely.

    Smarter and safer that way.

    ;)

  75. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Blake-

    I don’t trade D-Rob or Solarte.

    They aren’t part of the problem.

    They aren’t part of the solution.

  76. bruceb June 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Anyone else notice that all the posts about Jeter from last night’s thread were removed…or am I just imagining this? Surely they weren’t censored?

  77. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Also, something that doesn’t get enough mention here is the fact that there are indeed players who (a) don’t want to come to NY at all, and (b) since there are other teams with money and a chance for the playoffs each year, players don’t automatically accept an offer by the Yankees, and “c” the Yankees pretty much don’t seem to understand this yet, hence giving players deadlines by which to make they decisions, and losing some FAs (Choo?).

  78. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    They are part of the solution.

    Sorry.

    Duh.

  79. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    they aren’t gonna sell anyway.
    ======
    aint the Yankees way we all know that. what ppl are saying (me specifically) is that the NYY ways to doing baseball business needs to change in light of a CBA and new financial landscape.

    But, the only way i see that happening is for this 200 draconian ship not to make it to the playoff 2 years in a row (1st in history) and sunk into depth of the abyss.

  80. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    every loss is a WIN to me right now, I like to see changes.

    ————-

    And this sounds like exactly the sentiment Cash is throwing out there with his comments… which, fine, if you feel that way express yourself sure. But unlike you and I (and randy, who was first to start rooting for these sorts of results on here lol), he had at least some influence! I mean, if Hal came to any of us in 2009 and said ‘Hey Cash, great job on the WS, I wanna cut payroll to $189 by 2014,’ we’d all be peeved but we’d probably have handled things differently, no?

  81. MTU June 9th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Mop walk time.

  82. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    But what if ownership said, we’re standing firm on Cano
    ——
    then i would not have spent 25 on Ells.

  83. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    I think the Yankees are just so enamored with the idea of Brian Roberts as a pest on the bases and at the plate that they forgot that those attributes only really work when you can actually hit.
    —————————

    I just don’t think they see any better options. Sure, they could put Solarte there but then they’re playing Johnson at 3b which isn’t an upgrade offensively or defensively.

  84. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Nunie 2.0 will save is today

  85. pkyankfan69 June 9th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    We came into this year thinking 2nd and 3rd would be an offensive wasteland with Roberts and Kelly Johnson… Not shocking that both have been terrible, neither has been any good for years (although you had to think you would at least see some more HR from KJ in NYS.) Solarte saved one of the positions, now we have to address the other. Give Pirela or Wheeler a chance and kick one of Johnson/Roberts to the curb, they are both worthless. That or go get someone, do something.

    Soriano on the other hand I’d keep giving chances (esp against lefties) because he has the ability to get hot and carry you. He did it just last year and despite his struggles this year he is still hitting .294/.319/.500/.819 against LHP.

  86. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Kelly Johnson has at least showed he can provide what the Yankees signed him for. Some left handed power vs righties. I’d keep him around for that reason only.

  87. bruceb June 9th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    It’s just my imagination…I posted on the wrong thread. Apologies.

  88. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Cashmoney -

    But my corollary to standing firm on Cano, was that they knew they were probably going to lose him as a result once Seattle entered the picture with the 10 year offer, and they needed a “star,” and told Cashman to get Ellsbury.

    I’m saying ownership has more control in these things than the GM.

  89. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    although you had to think you would at least see some more HR from KJ in NYS


    He needs more playing time at home. He only has 75 PA in NYS this year and he is hitting .235 .297 .456 .753 at home. He spent a good month getting very sparing playing time. He has 100 less PA than any of our other regulars which is about 25 games worth of appearances.

  90. Mottsx June 9th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Can Cashman and Ownership force Girardi to bat Jeter’s .300 slugging percentage and his 7 extra base hits down to 7-9th in the order?

  91. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    I would keep Soriano and use him as a bat off the bench against lefties. I think that he can still be useful in those situations. Ichiro deserves to be in the lineup everyday over him. I think that Roberts is the big problem here. His defense stinks and his offense isn’t much better. He needs to be replaced.

  92. blake June 9th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Mottsx says:
    June 9, 2014 at 10:53 am
    Can Cashman and Ownership force Girardi to bat Jeter’s .300 slugging percentage and his 7 extra base hits down to 7-9th in the order?

    Of course…..but other than the days Tanaka pitches the only reason fans will have to come buy a ticket is to see Jeter pretty soon if they don’t turn it around

  93. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    they needed a “star,” and told Cashman to get Ellsbury.
    —–
    then i would explained to hal patiently that minus 2011, this gentleman is not a superstar and a drawing card. If he wants a star, take a gamble on Abreu and others.

    but somehow i don’t think that’s the case. Cashman made that call.

  94. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Roster moves I would make:

    Who comes:

    Cervelli off the DL
    Kelley off the DL
    Pirela and Canzler up from AAA

    Who goes:
    Murphy and Daley to AAA
    Johnson and Soriano – DFA

    Let Roberts become a pinch runner off the bench, use Canzler in the platoon with Ichiro in RF and backing up Tex at 1b. When Beltran is ready to play the OF, call up Kyle Roller to DH.

    I hate the idea of carrying 3 catchers if the notion is that they want the third catcher to be a BU1b. If they want to have a better option than Kelly Johnson behind Tex at 1b then call up someone who has played 1b like Canzler to do it.

    Murphy has played well but unless they are prepared to cut ties with Cervelli then Murphy should be at AAA until they can trade either him or Cervelli.

    Hopefully Beltran will be able to play the field in a couple of weeks at which point they can call up Roller in place of Canzler and add a LH power bat to the lineup and give the team a 25 of:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Beltran – RF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Solarte – 3b
    Roller – DH
    Pirela – 2b
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Cervelli, Ichiro, Roberts, Ryan

    Rotation:
    Tanaka, Whitley, Kuroda, Phelps, Nuno

    Pen: Robertson, Ramirez, Betances, Kelley, LeBlanc, Thornton, Warren

  95. pkyankfan69 June 9th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Kansas City has between a 60-70% chance of showers and T-Storms from 4PM through out the night tonight… Look like it’s going to be tough to get the game in.

  96. pat June 9th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Every employee gets handcuffed by management at some time.

    Knowing how to best be able to handle that is what seperates the good managers from the mediocre ones.

    Cashman has been around long enough that he should be able to know how to work with his bosses “quirks” and even more important plan for them.

  97. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    although you had to think you would at least see some more HR from KJ in NYS


    He needs more playing time at home. He only has 75 PA in NYS this year and he is hitting .235 .297 .456 .753 at home. He spent a good month getting very sparing playing time. He has 100 less PA than any of our other regulars which is about 25 games worth of appearances.
    ———————-

    Part of the reason is that he’s not playing is that he has no position.

    In theory they could move Solarte to 2b and play him at 3b but he’s been terrible defensively at 3b when he’s played there.

  98. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    KJ on the bench is better than Roberts on the bench IMO

    Roberts provides very little. KJ provides ‘versatility’ defensively and has power at home.

  99. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    If the yanks go in the tank and he continues to struggle I could see Jeter calling off the retirement tour and walking away…….he came back to win…..he didn’t come back for this

  100. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    I was beating the Kelly Johnson drum last year before he signed with Tampa – I thought he could be a LH version of Scott Brosius (low BA, ok glove) but with more power at 3b. So far I was wrong.

  101. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    The players getting paid a lot of money are not going to be replaced absent injury. That puts the bulls eyes on Johnson, Soriano and Roberts. I would bring up Pirela, get rid of Roberts leaving Pirela, Solarte and Johnson in the infield. I would also bring up Alm onte and regularly play him against right handers in right field. They need power from somewhere, and Ichiro isn’t going to provide it and Soriano actually has to have bat meet ball to provide it.

    Can it hurt at this point?

  102. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    I could see Jeter calling off the retirement tour and walking away…….he came back to win…..he didn’t come back for this
    =======
    he is not going to walk away from that money.

  103. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    pat -

    That is a valid point.

  104. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    KJ on the bench is better than Roberts on the bench IMO

    Roberts provides very little. KJ provides ‘versatility’ defensively and has power at home.
    ——————-

    Except that KJ is a bad pinch hitter: .077 this year, .209 for his career with 4 HR in 134 AB. And if you have Solarte and Ryan on the roster you’re pretty well covered in terms of defensive versatility on the infield.

  105. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Good morning.

    It’s likely that the middle of the batting order with Beltran and Teixeira a sore right elbow, sore right wrist or just plain “tired” will see more time on the DL, and maybe season ending surgery for Beltran. Both of them are around for the next few years. Roberts, Ichiro, Soriano, Johnson, are likely gone, so why not find a way to replace them, especially Roberts and Johnson.

    Most likely their only avenue to change immediately, is to use some of their Baby Bombers, because most teams that are even looking to trade now will want Betances, Murphy and maybe even FA Robertson.

  106. Yankee Fan 1 June 9th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Yesterday I saw someone say rearranging this lineup is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, which gave me a good laugh. I have no problem with moving Jeter down the lineup. I don’t even think Jeter would care all that much at this point. The problem is that the vultures known as the NY media are sitting around praying for this to happen so that they’ll have a story to write, and will no doubt turn it into huge event making this quite the headache for Girardi.

  107. pkyankfan69 June 9th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:02 am
    If the yanks go in the tank and he continues to struggle I could see Jeter calling off the retirement tour and walking away…….he came back to win…..he didn’t come back for this
    ——————
    Hal would cry golden laced tears if that happened… Randy Levine would have to burn $100 dollar bills and inject their resin directly into his veins to keep himself from falling into a deep, dark depression if Jeter didn’t finish out the season.

  108. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    If the yanks go in the tank and he continues to struggle I could see Jeter calling off the retirement tour and walking away…….he came back to win…..he didn’t come back for this
    ———-

    There is a better chance of me walking on the sun than this happening.

    Jeter’s not going to quit midseason because the team is struggling. Not in his nature.

  109. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “I could see Jeter calling off the retirement tour and walking away…….he came back to win…..he didn’t come back for this
    =======
    he is not going to walk away from that money.”

    He doesn’t need 5 or 6 million or whatever he’d be leaving on the table……

  110. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    I wonder what Jeter is thinking now about himself and the team. Generally, players are the last to know when they are over the hill. He may well still think he will bounce back offensively. Until he doesn’t, he will play and hit second. I don’t see him walking away. Not his style. I do think, if he realizes it isn’t happening for him, he will quietly approach Girardi about the batting order.

  111. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    He doesn’t need 5 or 6 million or whatever he’d be leaving on the table……
    ——
    you leave 6 mil on the table?

  112. bigdan22 June 9th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    “Words mean nothing…let’s see Cashman actually do something. He can start by playing Ichiro everyday over Soriano, bat Solarte 2nd and move Jeter down in the line (will never happen because they are scared of Jeter), sit Roberts and try Johnson at 2nd base. Play Murphy more over McCann. Cashman go ahead….”

    ——

    You do realize that Cashman can do none of these things right? These are all potential options but they are current roster options. This is Girardi’s jurisdiction, not Cashman. Girardi makes out the lineup card. Cashman gave Girardi Almonte three weeks ago and it was Girardi’s decision not to use him.

  113. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Except that KJ is a bad pinch hitter: .077 this year, .209 for his career with 4 HR in 134 AB. And if you have Solarte and Ryan on the roster you’re pretty well covered in terms of defensive versatility on the infield.

    Pinch hitting doesn’t happen enough for me to consider that when weighing Roberts vs KJ. You can start KJ and have a reasonable expectation of some game winning power.

    Roberts can only play 2B, poorly, and can only hit for no power, poorly. KJ is a HR threat.

  114. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    “Jeter’s not going to quit midseason because the team is struggling. Not in his nature.”

    I think it’s more about him personally than the team…..he’s very proud…..I’m sure he still believes he’s gonna turn it around and so do I to some degree…..but if his body just won’t allow it then it wouldn’t shock me. He shows flashes of being the old Jeter……but a lot of the time he just looks like old Jeter. Everybody gets old……

  115. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Pirela first, with Refsnyder to AAA” to replace Roberts

    Wheeler or Roller to replace Johnson.

  116. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Jeter has aspiration to become an owner and this is last paycheck baseball wise. on top of that, Jeter is the type that walks away and quit.

    There is ZERO chance imo, he will walk.

  117. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    *is not the type.

  118. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Looks like they believe in the farm.
    Why bother with Morales when you have players almost ready to go.
    Some cry for the farm, well let’s see it..

  119. Yankee Fan 1 June 9th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Jeter is not going to quit midseason. You guys forgot that the players are not as reactionary as internet commentators. The AL East is very mediocre this season, nobody is out of it yet in early June.

  120. Hassey June 9th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    how about promoting the Triple A hitting coach?

  121. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    All Jeter would have to do to tamp down a story about the batting order is for Jeter to say, I don’t blame him as I would move me down too. Then say, he plans on hitting his way back to the top. End of story.

    Cash, if you know where a table is with $6M on it, please let me know. Just think of all the brilliant posts I could do if not for this pesky work stuff. Well, with more time, I might come up with one.

  122. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Mac, if you sneak into Blake’s palatial mansion, go back onto the deck, I left the the money in the bbq grill shaped safe, it’s in it!

  123. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    The AL East is very mediocre this season, nobody is out of it yet in early June.

    This is no longer true. This was true a month ago when all the teams were clumped up. Look at Toronto now though, they have the biggest lead of any AL division and are nearly as good as Oakland winning % wise.

    Yankees are 6 games out and falling. 2 games out from a WC spot.

  124. Doreen June 9th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Wanted to do some research on the circumstances surrounding Posada’s being moved down in the order, and found this. It both confirmed what I remembered was the exact chronology of events of the day, plus it was enlightening on another level.

    http://joesheehan.com/?q=node/236

    It’s said in this piece that things are done differently for Derek Jeter. Yes, 3 years ago, it was brought up that there was one set of rules for Jeter, and another for anyone else.

    Anyway, it was interesting for me to read and I thought I’d share.

    Bottom line is it will be a cold day in July (which by the way the weather has been this year is not entirely impossible) that Jeter gets moved to the bottom third of the order.

    But that being said, they need production from the middle of the order primarily, for the season to have a chance.

  125. Stottlemyre68 June 9th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    Unless we see strong returns by Sabathia and Pineda, a fully healthy Beltran/Tex, and McCann breaking out of his slump, the Yanks won’t be serious contenders even if they manage to trade for a Cliff Lee. Too much is being held together by spare parts like Roberts and Johnson and Soriano is showing his downside (wild swings at unhittable pitches), as compared to his upside last year. My sense would be to see if a couple of these players at Scranton can hack the big leagues at least in place of Roberts and Johnson. They have little upside and aren’t adding anything this year. Keep Ryan, who can play second if nobody else can this year and gives us at least a strong defensive shortstop next year.

  126. Cashmoney June 9th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    nobody is out of it yet in early June.
    ====
    I guess all the Yanks had to do is win baseball games. done.

  127. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    One of Jeter’s problems this year is probably his concentration. All the opposing players want to talk to him when they or he are on base. He’s caught up every day with his retirement circus- media, fans, gifts.

    Girardi is unlikely to move him down in the order, however maybe he should just put 9 names in his hat and draw for the order, and maybe Jeter will get picked in the bottom third.

  128. bigdan22 June 9th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    I posted the above and a couple similar Cashman quotes last night. I’ve been talking about how that Scranton crew of Pirela, Almonte, Roller, Adonis and Wheeler have been raking for a few days now. But they’ve been pretty much raking all year.

    There are two distinct ways to approach this. The Girardi moves and the Cashman moves. Something like playing Johnson at 2b is a Girardi move. Same as dropping Jeter in the order. Neither of those things seem to be happening anytime soon so one has to wonder that when Cashman says “I can’t wait” if he is really saying “I can’t wait for Girardi.”

    The Cashman moves, if they take place outside of a DL stint, will require someone getting released. I think Soriano should be the first to go. I’ve been saying for about 10 days now he’s done. Almonte platooning with Ichiro almost makes too much sense. Roller is the Yanks version of Morales. Only makes sense if Beltran or Tex go on the DL. Which certainly could happen. I think Beltran is hurting now. Pirela and Wheeler can replace Roberts or Johnson or both.

    So like I said last night with respect to Cashman. A lot of talking going on. But any walking?

  129. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Most likely their only avenue to change immediately, is to use some of their Baby Bombers, because most teams that are even looking to trade now will want Betances, Murphy and maybe even FA Robertson.
    ———————–

    That’s absolutely true. I can guarantee that every phone call Cashman has, even for middle of the road players, the GM on the other end of the call wants Betances, Murphy and/or Robertson included (maybe Adam Warren too).

    It’s the result of two things:
    the lack of assets the Yankees have in the high minors
    perceived desperation of Cashman

    This is why, before looking at trades, Cashman needs to start promoting those players in AAA who are performing well. This will allow him to do two things:
    See what he has in house to work with and what he has to go out and get
    Possibly raise the profile of some of these players for future trade discussions

  130. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Except that KJ is a bad pinch hitter: .077 this year, .209 for his career with 4 HR in 134 AB. And if you have Solarte and Ryan on the roster you’re pretty well covered in terms of defensive versatility on the infield.

    Pinch hitting doesn’t happen enough for me to consider that when weighing Roberts vs KJ. You can start KJ and have a reasonable expectation of some game winning power.

    Roberts can only play 2B, poorly, and can only hit for no power, poorly. KJ is a HR threat.
    ————————-

    I honestly think that right now Roberts has more value as a pinch runner than Johnson has as a part time bat.

  131. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    “Jeter’s not going to quit midseason because the team is struggling. Not in his nature.”

    I think it’s more about him personally than the team…..he’s very proud…..I’m sure he still believes he’s gonna turn it around and so do I to some degree…..but if his body just won’t allow it then it wouldn’t shock me. He shows flashes of being the old Jeter……but a lot of the time he just looks like old Jeter. Everybody gets old……
    ———————-

    Doesn’t matter. He would rather fight to the end then quit in the middle. It’s nuts to even suggest.

  132. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    I honestly think that right now Roberts has more value as a pinch runner than Johnson has as a part time bat.

    KJ/Soriano is a reasonable platoon though.

  133. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    He doesn’t need 5 or 6 million or whatever he’d be leaving on the table……
    ——
    you leave 6 mil on the table?”

    If I was Derek Jeter and I didn’t want to play anymore I might…..Jeter is worth nearly 200 million according to forbes…..

    Not saying it’ll happen or it’s even likely to happen…..just sayin if thing a reallh go south both for the team and him it wouldn’t shock me

  134. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    “Doesn’t matter. He would rather fight to the end then quit in the middle. It’s nuts to even suggest.”

    I don’t think it’s likely but I don’t think it’s nuts either

  135. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    I honestly think that right now Roberts has more value as a pinch runner than Johnson has as a part time bat.

    KJ/Soriano is a reasonable platoon though.
    ——————-

    Platooning two guys with zero production gets you zero production.

  136. Yankee Fan 1 June 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    JF- I’m not saying that they will win the division, just saying that a 6 game deficit in early June is certainly not a big enough hole to throw in the towel
    ———————————————————————————————–
    I said this the other day, but Jeter has been chatting with people on base his entire career. Pointing to this now as a lack of concentration or not caring about winning is silly.

  137. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    who started this jeter rumor? he’s not going nowhere. which means he is going somewhere.
    and that where is nowhere or here…

  138. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    All should understand no one in AAA is considered a top prospect. I strongly expect they weren’t on any top 250 prospect list. Sometimes players are missed in evaluations, but these players can be hoped for but my expectations are moderate. Still, I would rather see if a younger player might get better than an older guy who will only get worse.

  139. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Platooning two guys with zero production gets you zero production.

    Soriano has non-zero production vs LHP. Johnson has non-zero production vs RHP and especially at NYS. You can get 15-16 HR from Kelly Johnson if you play him vs righties at home.

    He has a 37 HR pace @ home.

  140. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Guys…. how are we going to win a game in Oakland if the Tankees aren’t playing?

  141. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Personally I still expect Derek to get it going and finish close to .300 with his BA…..The Yankees as a team I really have no idea……I do think they have more hope this year than last year because they have better talent and because they have a #1 starter. There are a ton of variables as to whether they can actually make a run or not……the division is the weakest it’s been in years though

  142. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Daniel Barbarisi @DanBarbarisi

    The story behind Mark Teixeira’s surprisingly funny fake talk show, “foul territory.” Who knew he had it in him! http://on.wsj.com/1oKIA5n
    =================================
    The worst. Painful to watch.

  143. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    mick says:
    June 9, 2014 at 11:26 am
    who started this jeter rumor? he’s not going nowhere. which means he is going somewhere.
    and that where is nowhere or here…

    It’s not a rumor….

  144. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    “I can’t wait.”

    …….I still dunno what that means.

    Really.

  145. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    According to Baseball Savant, Jeter has seen the highest rate of pitches over 90 mph (55.2%) among players with at least 100 at-bats, and against those pitches he has the lowest ISO (.019!) and the fifth lowest batting average (.235) in baseball. Opponents know he can’t hit fastballs so they’re throwing the ball right by him. It’s sorta embarrassing at this point.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....er-104630/

    Don’t like RAB

  146. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    It’s not a rumor….
    =============
    what did i miss?

  147. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:29 am
    Personally I still expect Derek to get it going and finish close to .300 with his BA

    ——————

    .270-.280 is more likely. I’d bet he’d fall somewhere in there.

    Right now, I’m just hoping they feel like the team is bad enough that marginal upgrades make sense. But I’ve been on this train for a while now.. the Yanks are always slow to do anything.

    All that said… I am at least a little excited about the July 2 IFA thingy.

  148. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Don’t like RAB’s suggestion to bat him leadoff though. I guess, if they really would never move him down, then it makes sense. Certainly more sense than batting him third.

  149. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Wow Doreen.

    I just finished reading the article about Posada with reference to Jeter.

    “Yesterday’s controversy was a symptom of the real problem. Girardi dropped Posada in the lineup because he wants his team to score more runs, but he’s not willing to take the single most important step towards that goal, because he’s afraid to address the elephant in the room. There absolutely is an aging Yankee legend who should be batting ninth against right-handers, and until that happens, this lineup will underachieve.”

    Thanks for including it.

  150. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Remember that there was a time when Jeter literally was the 9th worst batter vs RHP on the team. LOL now look at this lineup, ah jeez.

  151. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    I still think Foul Territory would be funnier with birds.

  152. Mottsx June 9th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Gave the best leadoff hitter in the game $153M but sure bat Jeter first. Makes perfect sense. He’s banged so many woman he became a p*ssy himself?

  153. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    YT,

    I really don’t think Jeter is distracted. He is 40 and missed an entire season. I think that makes it more difficult to bounce back. I expect the same result with AROD next year after missing most of two years. Those expecting some offensive help from him next year will be, in my judgment, very mistaken.

    As I recall, this is why we wanted Drew. Reasonble expectations for Jeter were limited defense and a reduced bat.

    Right now, we have the offensive team that management created. What is this year’s excuse, Yankee management? I know last year was all bad luck. They told us so.

  154. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Platooning two guys with zero production gets you zero production.

    Soriano has non-zero production vs LHP. Johnson has non-zero production vs RHP and especially at NYS. You can get 15-16 HR from Kelly Johnson if you play him vs righties at home.

    He has a 37 HR pace @ home.
    ————————

    If you only play Kelly Johnson at Yankee Stadium against RHP then maybe you can get some production out of him (.753 OPS). But overall he’s a zero (.670 OPS against RHP, .671 OPS overall)

    Soriano has been ok against LHP this year, but I don’t think that he’ll produce well playing sparingly in a platoon situation – since Girardi started it two weeks ago his numbers have crashed to .095 BA, .136 OBP, .143 SLG, with 10 K in 21 AB.

  155. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    The Tankees play the M’s… I hope they don’t line up with Felix. That’d be just our luck.

  156. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    They should move Refsnyder and O’Brien up to AAA. What are they waiting for?

  157. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Sorry guys but Jeter ain’t getting anywhere near .300. He can’t hit righties, he can’t handle fastballs. .260-/270 range is realistic because he doesn’t strike out that much so he will collect some BABIP specials but he has to hit .320+ (depending on AB) the rest of the season to get to .300.

    How can that possibly happen given how bad he looks? He looks 10 x worse than he looked when I said he looked bad 4 years ago.

  158. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Jeter surely doesn’t have the intensity of the past but can you blame him?
    He is a lame duck captain and player.
    This is it and he knows they aren’t winning anything with the team as it stands now.
    This year is all about him and saying goodbye…

  159. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Jerkface –

    JMHO but if Beltran can play the OF and they want a DH platoon I would rather see Canzler/Roller than Soriano/Johnson at this point.

  160. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Blake,

    I will voluntarily send you real Texas BBQ if Jeter hits .300. He can’t catch up with fastballs or get his usual infield hits. Sad, but true.

    Have you been into the fermented BBQ sauce again? :)

  161. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    JF

    Try this article written May 22nd.

    http://nypost.com/2014/05/22/w.....-weakness/

    “Jeter’s overall results against righties are not very good (all stats going into Thursday night). He was hitting just .237 off righties and his .278 slugging percentage was seventh-worst in the majors (minimum 100 at-bats off righties). Yankee fans might want to gulp here: Jacoby Ellsbury was ninth (.286).

    But the bigger problem has been when you get more granular. Baseball Info Solutions broke down Jeter’s at-bats against pitchers such as Samardzija, whose average fastball is at least 93 mph. The results: Jeter has two hits (including one off Samardzija) in 24 at-bats — both are singles — plus two walks. He is hitting .083 in those situations with a .154 on-base percentage. He is hitless in 16 plate appearances against righties who average 94 mph or more and, just for comparison, he is at .186 (without an extra-base hit) in 46 plate appearances against righties who average 92 or more.
    It is possible this is a small sample size — though more than 15 percent of his plate appearances are against righties averaging 93-plus and more than 27 percent are against righties averaging 92-plus.

  162. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    What’s dragging Jeters numbers down really is that he hasn’t hits lefties like he normally does so far ……he has been diminished vs RHP for some time but he’s always mashed lefties…..he has very even splits this year

  163. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Sorry guys but Jeter ain’t getting anywhere near .300. He can’t hit righties, he can’t handle fastballs. .260-/270 range is realistic because he doesn’t strike out that much so he will collect some BABIP specials but he has to hit .320+ (depending on AB) the rest of the season to get to .300.

    How can that possibly happen given how bad he looks? He looks 10 x worse than he looked when I said he looked bad 4 years ago.
    ———————

    Jeter’s currently hitting .254 against RHP with a .300 OBP. In terms of average, he’s actually hitting better against RHP than he is LHP (.253 BA).

    To get to .270-.280 you’re talking about getting 1 more hit every 5 at bats than what he’s averaging now…that’s not impossible.

  164. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    “There absolutely is an aging Yankee legend who should be batting ninth against right-handers, and until that happens, this lineup will underachieve.”

    The only issue I take with this statement is that batting Jeter 9th means the team will now begin being the offensive team it ‘should’ be. I don’t see it. I think you can shuffle the deck however you want at this point and the team will under achieve.

    And I’m not making an argument for changing the batting order – I’ve thought since day one Jeter should be moved down. I thought the best time to do it was ST, as you could use the whole ‘he’s just getting back into the swing of things’ excuse to make it work.

  165. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Jeter feels like a stranger on this team.
    Gone are his buddies Andy, Jorge and Mo.
    He is all alone…leave him alone.

  166. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    “I will voluntarily send you real Texas BBQ if Jeter hits .300. He can’t catch up with fastballs or get his usual infield hits. Sad, but true.”

    I said close to .300….. I think .280 or so is doable……

  167. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    The only issue I take with this statement is that batting Jeter 9th means the team will now begin being the offensive team it ‘should’ be. I don’t see it. I think you can shuffle the deck however you want at this point and the team will under achieve.

    That article was from 2011, Jeter isn’t the 9th worst hitter on this team as currently constituted, but he certainly isn’t in the top 6.

  168. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Yeah I don’t think Jeter sniffs .300 this year. I think he can end up around .275 if he starts hitting LHP at a clip that more closely matches his past production, but anything above that is a real reach.

  169. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    If Jeter hits like he has vs RHP but gets his mojo back vs LHP then he will end up closer to .300…….especially if Joe starts resting him more vs non Favorable RHP matchups like yesterday

  170. Captain Clutch June 9th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Yesterday’s game:

    2B Rob Refsnyder 2-4, K – batting .513/.525/.821 over his last 10 games, .342 this season

  171. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Jeter isn’t the problem.

    Jeter batting 2nd isn’t the problem.

    It’s the fact that only 3.5 players are producing (Gardner, Ellsbury, Solarte and Tex when he’s in there) that’s the problem.

  172. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Can’t wait til the lovefest in Fenway to close out the Capts career.
    Was that really necessary?

  173. Chip June 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Clutch

    Like I said, I would move Pirela and Canzler up to the majors. That makes room for O’Brien and Refsnyder at AAA.

  174. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    That article was from 2011, Jeter isn’t the 9th worst hitter on this team as currently constituted, but he certainly isn’t in the top 6.

    ————–

    Ha! Did not read back far enough to realize that.

  175. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    jeter jeter jeter………

    malkovicz.

  176. blake June 9th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    “Jeter isn’t the problem.

    Jeter batting 2nd isn’t the problem.

    It’s the fact that only 3.5 players are producing (Gardner, Ellsbury, Solarte and Tex when he’s in there) that’s the problem.”

    Agreed…..it’s just what everyone seems to want to talk about. Maybe because everyone else on the team is so forgettable…….but the truth is that McCann and Beltran, and Tex are either hurt or are sucking and that’s killing them……Soriano expiring has hurt as well because they were counting in him also

  177. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Refsnyder should definitely be moved up. But this guy isn’t someone just hitting our radar… some posters have been talking about him being a potential 2B for the team for a couple of years now.

  178. Shame Spencer June 9th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    :arrow:

  179. Yankee Trader June 9th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Mac

    I think the distraction during games is part of the problem. His timing is off and more importantly his bat speed is gone. I just included the above article, with data from Baseball Info Solutions, which is a good source for information. They did the research on The Shift, and were named in the USA Today Sports Weekly on the report about the Rays-Maddon Shift, showing how Kendrys Morales and Curtis Granderson had so few ground balls for hits vs the shift.

  180. austinmac June 9th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Shame,

    Felix pitched yesterday so we should miss him.

  181. Jerkface June 9th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    What is close to .300??? I don’t consider .280 close to .300. I think batting average has such distinct tiers of hitters, and its actually quite hard to move avg up or down as the season goes along because its 1 for 1 with hits and AB.

    If Jeter gets 400 more AB, hits .253 vs righties and gets the same percentage of appearances vs lefties and righties that he normally does, then he will need to hit .387 vs all lefties going forward to hit .280 by the end of the year.

    Jeter is a .260-.270 hitter this year at best. The way he looks he will probably get worse as he breaks down further as the season stretches.

  182. mick June 9th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Malkovich——–>

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