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Pitching matchups in Oakland

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Phelps

Tonight
RHP David Phelps (1-4, 4.88)
vs.
RHP Sonny Gray (6-2, 2.83)
10:05 p.m., YES Network

Saturday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (4-4, 4.12)
vs.
LHP Scott Kazmir (7-2, 2.20)
10:05 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Sunday
LHP Vidal Nuno (1-2, 4.97)
vs.
RHP Jesse Chavez (5-4, 3.04)
4:05 p.m., YES Network

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95 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Oakland”

  1. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Not liking these matchups at all.

  2. GregD June 13th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 8:01 am
    Greg,
    we can hope…I mean this doesn’t seem like an Aaron Small situation where a guy is doing well and you can’t understand why……they need to get him stretched on out to 100 pitches….but he really throws strikes and he has 2 pretty good secondary pitches. He might be the real deal…….the Yanks have gotten 2 answers literally out of nowhere this season in Solarte and Whitley.
    ———
    His slider seems to be really fooling the right-handers and his change up is deadly against lefties…..he doesn’t have top shelf stuff but we sure could use an innings eater who keeps us in every game………I also wouldn’t underestimate the impact of that plus plus change up………

  3. Wave Your Hat June 13th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Tough matchups in all three games, but the Yanks are on a roll. Assuming Ellsbury plays, I feel like they can win two.

  4. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    WYH-

    Glad you are so optimistic.

    I’ll be happy if we can salvage a single win.

  5. blake June 13th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    MTU,
    I’m with you man but if it comes down to a SS or 3B and or a closer or even a starter or a closer then you have to go with the more valuable player…..love Drob….hope they keep him…..hope Hal lets Cash keep him.

  6. blake June 13th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    man looking at these matchups you just have to hope that this is one of those (can’t figure baseball Suzyn) series where the Yanks win when they probably shouldn’t…….Saturday’s game seems like the best shot.

  7. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Blake-

    Agreed but that should not happen.

    As I said, I don’t worry about the finances of Billionaires.

    I’ve got to run.

    Catch you later.

  8. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Repost: I know whenever, I am ready to post there will be a new thread.
    I checked on Headly’s career stats, and other than 2012, when he had over 100 RBI’s, his overall statistics are similar to Brett Gardner’s, who is approximately the same age.
    To this point in the season Gardner’s overall numbers are much better than Headley’s and a comparison of Headly/Gardner 2013 season numbers gives Gardner a slight edge in SLG. & OPS.
    In general Headley is Gardner w/o the speed, as he is not going to hit for much power or drive in many runs. Granted he is an IF where the Y’s need help, but if the Y’s were to trade for him I would not recommend they part with any of their established players, or promising rookies for who is essentially a lifetime .260 hitter.
    I guess it comes back to my recurring nightmare where the Y’s part with, say O’Brien, who after being traded becomes the next Fred McGriff.

  9. blake June 13th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    really hope Ellsbury can play…..the offense hasn’t been great but it seems like it’s been slowly starting to wake up a little bit and he’s been red hot leading the way. The last thing they need is for him to miss time and cool off right now…….I fear it could be back breaking.

  10. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    “The lack of power has the Yankees ranked 22nd in the league in home runs (52) and 22nd in run scored (256). And with a team batting average of just .242, the Yankees are showing they can’t consistently manufacture runs with timely hitting”

    ——

    Absolutely Hank. The last two games shows just how much more effective this offense can be with just a little power. The team doesn’t hit or get on base enough to score enough without home runs. Yet tonight, they’ll most likely field an OF of Gardner, Ellsbury and Ichiro. That won’t cut especially when I don’t think Beltran can swing the bat at all left-handed.

    I get why they didn’t pursue Morales. They had Beltran an Tex in the order. But I doubt Beltran is going to come around. And I doubt think McCann or Soriano have hit a homer in a month.

    The only sensible move is to sack Soriano and promote Almonte and let him platoon with Ichiro. I just don’t think they’ll do it.

  11. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    GregD, What I like most about Whitley, thus far, is he seems to know how to actually pitch. Granted his stuff does not look overwhelming, but the batters seem to have a hard time squaring his pitches; in last night’s game there were several hard hit balls, but there was also a fairly substantial number of week popups.
    The other thing I like about Whitley is he is not afraid to pitch inside, which is one reason he is able to keep the batters off stride.
    Moreover,I like his philosophy of letting the batter earn their way on, but the downside is if his command is off, he will get hammered.
    One final note: I really did not understand Girardi removing Whitley in the 8th with 2 outs and a 4 run lead; especially since he was replacing a pitcher who had retired 9(?) in a row, with a pitcher who has not been very successful this year.

  12. ktrout19 June 13th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    What about Cervelli? Let’s keep Ryan and Cervelli, who can fill in at 1st as well or better than Johnson.

  13. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    This is another series where it appears the Y’s will be lucky to win one of three, much like the St. Louis Series, which the Y’s wound up taking 2/3; until the games are played who knows what the outcome will be.
    The key to this series, especially in game one, is for Girardi to keep a tight leash on Phelps, that is unless the game gets out of hand in the 1st or 2nd innings, in which case keep Phelps in for as long as he can, and then go to the mop up crew.
    The same can be said for Nuno in game three, and hopefully Kuroda pitches well enough to keep the Y’s close in game two for 6-7 innings.

  14. GregD June 13th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    JimK June 13th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
    GregD, What I like most about Whitley, thus far, is he seems to know how to actually pitch. Granted his stuff does not look overwhelming, but the batters seem to have a hard time squaring his pitches; in last night’s game there were several hard hit balls, but there was also a fairly substantial number of week popups.
    The other thing I like about Whitley is he is not afraid to pitch inside, which is one reason he is able to keep the batters off stride.
    Moreover,I like his philosophy of letting the batter earn their way on, but the downside is if his command is off, he will get hammered.
    One final note: I really did not understand Girardi removing Whitley in the 8th with 2 outs and a 4 run lead; especially since he was replacing a pitcher who had retired 9(?) in a row, with a pitcher who has not been very successful this year.

    ————
    I noticed his willingness to pitch inside that will make much more effective….his slider will be better against righties for sure

  15. bruceb June 13th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Don’t think we’d like any matchups in a series that Tanaka misses…that’s what happens when you’re three starters light.

    One win in Oakland will complete a winning road trip and I feel it is most likely to come on Saturday, although Phelps is actually due a good start.

    Can’t think of a team I would rather not be facing right now than Oakland. I think we should try and steal whenever we get a man on base (excusing Tex and McCann, of course), because that appears to be their only weakness. Was even taken by their relievers at the Stadium last week; they’re stingy.

  16. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    About six weeks ago I proposed a long term strategic move that involved trading Gardner and giving his spot to Almonte. The goal, among other things, was to provide more balance to the lineup by adding power. That of course won’t happen now but who knows what’s in store in the off season.

    Here’s a proposal that is both strategic and can help the Yanks short term. Four parts to it.

    1. Sack Soriano

    2. Give Cervelli enough playing time to build his value

    3. Promote Almonte and start an OF platoon with Ichiro

    4. Raise the prospect profile of Taylor Dugas and promote him to Scranton

    This plan will help the Yanks with what ails them the most, the lack of power, specifically left-handed. It also sets up two possible trade pieces for July.

    Taylor Dugas is 24. He has little time left to be thought of as a prospect. In almost 1000 minor league PAs, he has an OBP of .428. That’s not a misprint. In June so far, his OPS is 1.158. That’s not a misprint either. He’s been over .800 in April and May as well. He has no future with the Yanks but there just might be a smart GM out there who values a young cost controlled outfielder who can get on base at a 40% clip. But unless his profile is improved, no one will notice. He should bat second in Trenton. After all, he’s probably the best hitter in that lineup anyway. And he should be promoted soon. Promotions get minor leaguers noticed. He can take Almonte’s spot in Scranton.

    Cervelli should be joining the team soon. The Yanks should try to get him a bunch of ABs. It’s not like they’ll lose any offense doing that. A young BUC has value, but he has to prove he’s healthy.

    Dugas and Cervelli could be part of a pretty decent trade package. The Yanks will be losing two young players who they really have no use for. And playing Almonte provides the Yanks with at least a chance of some real power.

    A strategic proposal that can provide almost immediate benefits. That’s called win-win.

  17. GregD June 13th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Jim K—-I wasn’t able to stay up for the entire game so I missed Girardi taking him out……..

  18. bbb51 June 13th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Soriano .296/.320/.507 vs lhp. He is needed.

  19. Unnamed June 13th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Whitley is another score for the front office.

  20. Jerkface June 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Soriano .296/.320/.507 vs lhp. He is needed.

    In the past month its .278 .316 .361 vs lefties, .172 .167 .359 vs righties.

    I think Soriano needs to play every day to be of any value even vs lefties so I’d be fine with dumping him. But isn’t it clear that Roberts should be the one dumped first out of anyone?

  21. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Soriano in June:

    .167/.167/.278

    Soriano in May:

    .220/.233/.378

    Soriano is not a platoon player.

  22. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    GregD, Girardi removed Whitely in the 8th with nobody on and two outs, which I believe Whitely managed to get on less than 5 pitches; he then brought in Thornton to face Cano for the L/L match, except Thornton proceeded to walk Cano, but retired the next lefty.
    The worst that could have happened had Whitely faced Cano was a solo HR, making it a save situation, which Kelly managed to do in the 9th anyway.
    About the only reason Girardi had to remove Whitley was ensure the fact that Whitley left on a positive note so as to build future confidence; I think had Whitely faced and retired Cano that would have gone a much longer way towards building Whitley’s confidence.

  23. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    The Yanks love Roberts. I don’t know why.

    If you’ve noticed they’ve cut back playing time on McCann, Soriano, and Johnson. All the perceived poor performers. Except for Roberts.

  24. bbb51 June 13th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Soriano has historically hit lhp well so I don’t believe in a player like that having a bad month and choosing that instant to say he should go. Every player has ups and downs. At the end of the year Soriano is likely to have good numbers vs lhp, with power which everyone says we need.

    Almonte hasn’t shown that he can be a platoon player, or even shown that he can be a major league hitter yet. You are saying an unknown is definitely a better option than a known.

  25. blake June 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    They haven’t cut back Roberts PT because they have nobody else to play……I mean it’s him or Johnson and Roberts is probAbaly better at 2b than him……it’s pick your poison

  26. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    JimK —

    Maybe it was Thornton who Girardi wanted to build up some confidence considering how awful he has been of late.

    bigdan22 —

    Moving Dugas wont accomplish anything. Everyone in baseball knows everyone in everyone’s system. It’s a constant, ongoing process. they don’t need to force Cervelli AB… Murphy has been terrific and should continue to play. Cervelli has over 600 plate appearances in MLB after almost 13-hundred in the minors. People know who is and what he does and doesn’t do. If you want more power potential, Almonte should replace Ichiro not Soriano.

  27. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    In June Soriano has 11 SOs and zero walks.

    In May, Soriano had 30 SOs and one non-intentional walk.

    This pretty much boggles the mind.

  28. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    86, You could right, but if Girardi needs to “build” the confidence of a player who the Y’s signed to a 2-year deal, it does not say much for the Y’s signing acumen.

  29. blake June 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Corey Black has a 3.44 era in 10 starts at AA :(

  30. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    “Murphy has been terrific and should continue to play.”

    —-

    True but he’s going down. The Yanks aren’t releasing Cervelli and I doubt a trade can be worked out this week.

    As far as increasing a prospect’s profile, that’s something teams do all the time. And the Yanks were particularly effective at that with Montero. The Yanks knew he couldn’t catch on a major league level and did everything they could to hide that. And they promoted him at the exact right time to take advantage of September call ups and a diminution in pitching. When they traded Montero, he was at his highest value ever.

    They need to do something similar with Dugas.

  31. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Players like Soriano and Ichiro actually end up doing more harm than good.

    Ichiro had a great end of season in 2012 and was rewarded with a two year contract. Soriano had an awesome second half last year and because of that Yanks are seeing something that is not there and ignoring something that is. Soriano simply can’t make contact with a pitched baseball anymore.

    Had the Yanks never acquired Ichiro and Soriano I’m convinced they’d be on their way to a better team right now.

  32. UnKnown June 13th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Phelps is so happy for Whit because they are friends. That is great. Whit is about to take Phelps job if this team can ever find another starter.

    However, I guess Nuno would probably be on the chopping block before Phelps.

  33. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    I understood the logic of keeping Soriano, since he did have over 100 RBI’s last year, and I doubt the Y’s or anyone for that mater could have predicted Soriano’s production falling off the cliff this rapidly. I even understood signing Beltran, although I still do not understand a 3 year contract; in his previous 2 seasons with St. Louis he was a consistent performer, and his lack of production this year is probably because of his elbow injury.
    However, I would think if Soriano continues to perform at his current level, he will be gone by the ASB. Beltran will probably also have to ASB to prove he can raise his production level, and if he cannot, he will probably have season ending surgery.

  34. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    There was no choice but to keep Soriano as he was under contract for this year.

    I doubt Beltran goes under the knife unless the pain is preventing him from playing. Believe it or not, players don’t actually like having their bodies cut open unless it’s absolutely necessary.

  35. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Dan –

    The Yankees aren’t ignoring Soriano’s lack of production. They just lack alternatives (or feel they lack alternatives).

    Soriano has been playing, recently, in a platoon with Ichiro in RF – that’s a clear acknowledgement by Girardi that Soriano has been brutal against RHP.

  36. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    You have to also consider this. When Soriano starts against a left-hander, chances are he only faces that left-hander a couple of times. The first guy out of the bullpen will be a right-hander and Soriano is not going to be pinch hit for. You saw exactly that last night. His actual ABs against lefties will be limited.

    Anyway you slice, Soriano has to go.

  37. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    “The Yankees aren’t ignoring Soriano’s lack of production. They just lack alternatives (or feel they lack alternatives).

    Soriano has been playing, recently, in a platoon with Ichiro in RF – that’s a clear acknowledgement by Girardi that Soriano has been brutal against RHP.”

    ——

    Yea but he’s not a platoon player and if you look at his ABs in June that shows.

    And I don’t know what you can call failing to act on a player who since May 1 has a 40 to 1 SO to walk ratio. I mean has that even happened before? Ever?

  38. Hankflorida June 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    The only sensible move is to sack Soriano and promote Almonte and let him platoon with Ichiro. I just don’t think they’ll do it.

    Bigdan, we all agree that the Yanks need power as the blueprint for this team failed in its ability to keep the line moving or manufacture runs. We need last years Soriano to emerge and get in one of his streaks and cannot depend on Almonte to give us the long ball yet or play another banjo hitter like Ichiro. Right now, “There is no joy in Mudville” as our Mighty Casey, Soriano, has struck out, but Soriano is still our Mighty Casey.

  39. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    40 to 1. Think about it.

  40. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    I believe Soriano’s last AB, in yesterday’s game was against a LH and he looked equally pathetic as he has looked from the RS.

  41. bruceb June 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Soriano and Ellsbury won us the game last night. I’d rather see him in the lineup than Roberts or Johnson. Least he has half a chance of running into one and hitting out of the yard.

  42. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Chip, I don’t think too many people like to under the knife unless it’s necessary, with the only exception being those people who continually have “cosmetic” surgery.

  43. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    In his career, Soriano strikes out about 3.5 times for every walk.

    Has a player ever had a successful season with a 10 to 1 SO to walk ratio?

    Soriano is at 40 to 1 now for six weeks.

    Doesn’t this say something?

  44. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    S/B against RH pitching not “from the RS.”

  45. Warning Track Power June 13th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
    Not liking these matchups at all.
    ————————————————————-
    Imperative for Phelps to keep the game very closer from the jump. He can not start the game by giving up 1 run or 4 runs going into the 3rd inning.
    It’s time for Phelps to learn a thing or two from guys like Whitley or Nuno. Keep the game close. Don’t let the game getaway.
    Phelps has a awful tendency to give up that 1 big inning

  46. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    “The Yankees aren’t ignoring Soriano’s lack of production. They just lack alternatives (or feel they lack alternatives).

    Soriano has been playing, recently, in a platoon with Ichiro in RF – that’s a clear acknowledgement by Girardi that Soriano has been brutal against RHP.”

    ——

    Yea but he’s not a platoon player and if you look at his ABs in June that shows.

    And I don’t know what you can call failing to act on a player who since May 1 has a 40 to 1 SO to walk ratio. I mean has that even happened before? Ever?
    ————————–

    I agree with you – but what the Yankees don’t have are a lot of options for partners with Ichiro.

    Adonis Garcia would be one but he’s on the AAA DL. Russ Canzler has good splits but he’s been benched in AAA with the emergence of Kyle Roller. They’re trying Zealous Wheeler out in the OF and there’s Scott Sizemore…that’s about it.

    Zoilo is a switch hitter but he’s abysmal from the right side.

  47. hardwired7 June 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    +130 run differential vs. -25. Things might get a little ugly this weekend.

  48. G. Love June 13th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    blake,

    If I see you lamenting the loss of Corey Black again, so help me! Don’t make me come find you.

  49. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    “Zoilo is a switch hitter but he’s abysmal from the right side.”

    ——-

    Yes which makes him a perfect platoon partner with Ichiro. People on this blog have pointed out for over a year that Ichiro hits lefties better than righties. And you could sub Ichiro in for Almonte for defense late in games. Ichiro will play less overall than Almonte but that’s good for him. Will keep him fresh.

    This would all work but Soriano needs to be released first. He cannot hit.

  50. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    “If I see you lamenting the loss of Corey Black again, so help me! Don’t make me come find you.”

    :) Now stepping to the mound for the Cubbies on opening day……Corey Black!!! Hey guys can you believe we got this guy for the ghost of Alfonso Soriano……yea the Yanks sucked so bad that year that they still missed the playoffs! Well lucky us…..watch out curse of the billy goat…..Corey Black is here

  51. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Nuno’s home/road splits are pretty amazing.

  52. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    They haven’t cut back Roberts PT because they have nobody else to play……I mean it’s him or Johnson and Roberts is probAbaly better at 2b than him……it’s pick your poison

    ———————–

    They should be going with Pirela now while they have a month+ before the deadline. If he’s just as bad as Roberts – which would be a real feat! – then at least they know they have to pull the trigger on something.

  53. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
    Corey Black has a 3.44 era in 10 starts at AA :(

    ————–

    Betances 2.0!

  54. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    I wish we could stop acting like Zoological Almonte is going to solve the problem……this feels like Chris Dickerson 2.0 to me……who everyone wanted to get a shot…..well he got lots of shots with other teams and he’s been pretty bad. Almonte played 34 games for the Yankees last year……he posted at OPS+ of 59 in those games.

    would I rather watch him than Soriano? Maybe…..but lets not act like this guy is fixing the offense. They need real bats……

  55. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    It’s quite a jump from being an average AA starter with control issues (5.3w/9 inn) to starting opening day, but fantasize away!

  56. bbb51 June 13th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    JimK June 13th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    I believe Soriano’s last AB, in yesterday’s game was against a LH and he looked equally pathetic as he has looked from the RS.

    Well if you want to go with SSSS (super small sample sizes) the at bat before that against a lhp he hit a two run double. .500 for the game. :)

  57. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    “It’s quite a jump from being an average AA starter with control issues (5.3w/9 inn) to starting opening day, but fantasize away!”

    just trying to hyperbolize Glove into a frenzy…..I still be Black ends up back in the pen at some point. Not everyone can make Chase Whitleys like the Yankees.

  58. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 23m
    Puig’s top speed is 21.1 mph. In a full uniform. With spikes. Chasing down a baseball. Guy is completely incredible: http://yhoo.it/1qbXIMM

  59. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 23m
    Puig’s top speed is 21.1 mph. In a full uniform. With spikes. Chasing down a baseball. Guy is completely incredible: http://yhoo.it/1qbXIMM

    —————

    I can’t with this… he and Cespedes hurt my heart.

  60. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Watching Cespedes mash two HRs in our stadium induced a serious case of the sads…

  61. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    that catch puig made was one the sickest Ive ever seen……I can’t believe he got to that ball.

  62. G. Love June 13th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    blake,

    Don’t make me get my switch!

  63. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    yea I know…..missing out on Trout was something that they had no control over…..Cespedes, Puig, and Soler they just cheaped out on and that’s the frustrating part. I’ll cut them a little slack with Puig because nobody thought he was this good (although how could you watch this guy and not be intrigued with his ability)…….

  64. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    “Don’t make me get my switch!”

    Fade to Corey Black….

  65. Warning Track Power June 13th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
    I wish we could stop acting like Zoological Almonte is going to solve the problem……this feels like Chris Dickerson 2.0 to me……who everyone wanted to get a shot…..well he got lots of shots with other teams and he’s been pretty bad. Almonte played 34 games for the Yankees last year……he posted at OPS+ of 59 in those games.

    would I rather watch him than Soriano? Maybe…..but lets not act like this guy is fixing the offense. They need real bats…
    ————————————————————————–
    Thank You. Excellent post.
    Z. Almonte is not going to solve the problem and since his at bats from the right side or just as band as Soriano, what’s the point of giving Z at bats????
    I like the C. Dickerson 2.0 comment. Took the words right out of my mouth.

  66. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    There is a difference between Dickerson and Almonte – Almonte’s 25 and Dickerson was 30.

    Do I think Almonte’s the answer? Probably not. And Jose Pirela probably isn’t the answer at 2b either. But I would much rather see them out there than Alfonso Soriano or Brian Roberts because, while they may not be great major leaguers, they can’t be worse than the status quo and unlike Roberts and Soriano, Almonte (or Roller depending on whether Soriano’s in the OF or DH) and and Pirela have a chance to improve as they learn the league and mature.

  67. hardwired7 June 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Puig vs. California Chrome. Let’s make it happen.

  68. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Jason Kubel has cleared waivers and will elect free agency. The typical Yankee move would be to sign him rather than give a similar player in Roller who is 6 years younger and having a hella-good season an opportunity to play.

  69. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Chip,
    I get that…..but the Yankees obviously don’t think too much of Almonte or they wouldn’t have spent so much money on positions he could have filled for the league minimum.

  70. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Over 30 years ago Bill James said there is very little you can learn about a young hitter until he gets 200 regular ABs in the major leagues. That was true then and is still true now. Is Almonte a major league above average hitter? Can’t say until he gets those 200 regular ABs and he hasn’t gotten them yet. But he’s done one thing only a small handful of Yankee prospects have done the last 10 years or so. He’s actually hit in AA and AAA. Think about that.

  71. blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    wonder who wins in a race between Puig and Trout……I think home to 1b I’d bet on Trouter……in a 60 I might go with Puig.

  72. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    done for the day….. seeya in the morning

    have a day

  73. Bob_Zampini June 13th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    t’s a Friday the 13th in June, a day I remember as a day Yankee fans became deprived of watching one of the best defensive center fielders ever, the best I ever saw! Elliott Maddox tore up his right knee on Friday, June 13, 1975 and despite a couple of reconstructive knee surgeries (and 12 in all) to keep his career alive, he was never the same player. A quote I found on the web:

    “Elliott was a terrific player for the Yanks in 1974 and 1975 until his injury. Was compared to Paul Blair in CF. Absolutely a fantastic fielder. Hit over .300 for the Yankees in 74-75 and I believe finished in the top 10 MVP voting in 1974″.

    In the last several years, Elliott turned his attention to teaching kids how to play baseball:

    Another quote: ” just ran into Elliott Maddox and came across this site…My son who was a teen then was a schoolmate of Elliott’s son. The most important part of this is that he is a kind, humble man and upon talking to him frequently, I learned how passionate he is with teaching kids and showing them the fundamentals of baseball. He always took the time to give professional pointers to my son. Mr. Maddox, you’re a gentlemen and a scholar.”

  74. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    “. . . or they wouldn’t have spent so much money on positions he could have filled for the league minimum.”

    —-

    Overpaying for veterans when young players could have provided similar or better production has pretty much been the Yanks modus operandi for a long time now. It’s a practice that needs to change if the team is to get Younger and Better.

  75. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Chip,
    I get that…..but the Yankees obviously don’t think too much of Almonte or they wouldn’t have spent so much money on positions he could have filled for the league minimum.
    ————————-

    When they traded for Soriano last year, Almonte was hurt and when they signed Ichiro Almonte was just a player who had a nice AA season.

    The problem is that, when given the choice between young players and veterans, Girardi will almost always pick the veteran unless the young player absolutely lays claim to the job out of the gate:

    Stewart over Romine
    Nix/Nelson/Brignac over Adams
    Kelley and Phelps over Betances
    Ichiro and Soriano over Almonte

    He plays these young guys sparingly, never letting them get into any sort of rhythm and then buries them deeper on the bench because they’re unable to produce playing once-a-week.

    The only place this hasn’t happened is with Solarte vs. KJ because Solarte just flat out demolished the competition.

  76. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Corey Black sounds like a drink or an 80s movie star.

  77. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Again, I don’t know that Almonte could match his AAA production, but if you’re asking me if I think he can at least be as productive as Soriano the answer is a hearty yes.

  78. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t understand why they wouldn’t try Pirela other than their deference to vets… They have the perfect window right now to have him play a month and a half before having to decide if they need another INF. In reality, they probably need one anyway, but maybe we could be surprised…?

  79. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Hey Bob, welcome to the blog. Good stuff. I’d advise you changing your user handle if that’s your real name, however. :D

  80. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    bbb51, I will give you that one: I checked Soriano’s YTD stats, and he is hitting close to .300 against LH pitching and he has hit over .350 against the O’s and the Ray’s and close to .300 against the RS. He is also 2/6 against the A’s this year.

  81. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    “They haven’t cut back Roberts PT because they have nobody else to play……I mean it’s him or Johnson and Roberts is probAbaly better at 2b than him……it’s pick your poison”

    ——-

    Of course they have someone else who can play 2b and you said it. Johnson. And he’s been mostly on the bench while Roberts plays. It only makes it more telling when you consider that second base is the position Johnson has played by far the most in his entire major league career. And Johnson actually has power. Are they not playing Johnson at 2b because he’s such a talented third baseman or first baseman?

    The fact that Johnson hasn’t started one game at 2b this season is proof positive that Roberts has a preferred status on this team.

  82. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t understand why they wouldn’t try Pirela other than their deference to vets… They have the perfect window right now to have him play a month and a half before having to decide if they need another INF. In reality, they probably need one anyway, but maybe we could be surprised…?
    ————————

    In fairness to their decision making – you don’t really start looking to shake up your roster until after the draft. Now that that’s done, Cashman has said he would be willing to make changes after giving guys 3 months to get on track.

    Girardi and Cashman though both grew up as baseball executives in the Yankee system which doesn’t put much faith in young players unless they absolutely have to. I want to believe that when Girardi talks about having faith that players like Soriano and Roberts will live up to the back of their baseball cards, that he’s just doing that to show support for his guys and privately acknowledges that this could be the end of the road for both players.

    That said, we’ve seen Joe keep a struggling veteran in there rather than handing the job to a young player before (C last year). I think part of it is that he’s so stat-oriented that he’s uncomfortable not having a track-record to fall back on when looking at when to use a player.

  83. blake June 13th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    “Of course they have someone else who can play 2b and you said it. Johnson.”

    Johnson is a terrible defender at 2B…..I’d rather them play Roberts than KJ I think at this point…..but the answer to this question is……neither.

  84. Hankflorida June 13th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Last year, the farm shuttle did not work as players were brought in facing intense scruntiny as it was put up or shut up. Look at Solarte who is slumping now but still hold his position because he was fortunate that his audition in Spring training started with a bang. The Yankee are not known to allow their young ones to learn on the big stage. Almonte in his brief stint this year started with a homer, and as his next few at bats were not of the same caliber, he disappeared into the dug out till Beltran came back.

  85. Jerkface June 13th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Johnson is a terrible defender at 2B…..I’d rather them play Roberts than KJ I think at this point…..but the answer to this question is……neither.

    There is not much evidence to suggest KJ is worse than Roberts at 2B. Or ‘terrible’. I don’t think he’d be good, but probably on par with what Roberts is putting up out there.

    And offensively he can atleast mash homers.

  86. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    “Johnson is a terrible defender at 2B…..I’d rather them play Roberts than KJ I think at this point…..but the answer to this question is……neither.”

    —–

    There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest at this point in time Roberts is a better defender at 2b than Johnson and you know why? Because Girardi doesn’t let Johnson play 2b at all!!

    Don’t you find it just a bit strange that the Yanks sign Johnson for his versatility and play him at the two positions that he’s almost never played before but yet refuse to let him play the one position he’s played the most?

    I’ve already provided the answer to that.

  87. Section 8 June 13th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    “The fact that Johnson hasn’t started one game at 2b this season is proof positive that Roberts has a preferred status on this team”

    Thank you Capt Obvious. Yes they clearly PREFER Roberts as a 2B to Johnson. If however you mean in a teacher’s pet/conspiracy sort of way, well that’s just silly talk.

  88. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Girardi and Cashman though both grew up as baseball executives in the Yankee system which doesn’t put much faith in young players unless they absolutely have to. I want to believe that when Girardi talks about having faith that players like Soriano and Roberts will live up to the back of their baseball cards, that he’s just doing that to show support for his guys and privately acknowledges that this could be the end of the road for both players.

    ————–

    Yeah I hope so too.. Roberts hasn’t had a good year in half a decade.

  89. mick June 13th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Sure. Let’s bring up all the rookies. Sounds good. Except for one thing. They aren’t ready.
    The same fans who shoot from the hip will be the 1st to say send him back down.
    We know this is a place to vent but be realistic people.

  90. Bob_Zampini June 13th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Hey Shame! I created it with my name then realized I should probably change it but the interface would not let me. Guess I should just remove the account and create a new one, or is there a way to change it?

  91. Section 8 June 13th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    I love the frequent “they can’t be worse” argument. Yes they can…

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