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Whitley off to a strong start: “He doesn’t beat himself”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Chase Whitley

Best rotation ERA in the majors belongs to Oakland. That’s where the Yankees play their next three games, and the task at hand is no mystery. The Yankees just played the A’s in three pretty tight games at Yankee Stadium earlier this month, and the Yankees will face two of the same starting pitchers this weekend (the change is Sonny Gray, who starts tonight and has been terrific this season).

But you know what? The Yankees rotation has actually been pretty good itself. Even with 60 percent of the team’s intended starters on the disabled list, the Yankees still have one of the best rotation ERAs in the American League. And that’s in no small part because of a guy who, at this time last year, had never started a professional game.

Chase WhitleyChase Whitley was the Yankees third replacement starter, and he’s now 2-0 with a 2.41 ERA.

“You know, the kid has been consistent with his stuff,” Joe Girardi said. “He doesn’t beat himself. He doesn’t walk people. He’s done the little things, and he’s mixed in an outstanding changeup with his fastballs and sliders. He gets ahead in the count. We only saw him as a reliever (in spring training). We weren’t sure of what we had as a starter, but he’s done a really good job.”

What stands out about Whitley — other than the fact his slider seems to have really improved, giving him another offspeed pitch to go with his go-to changeup — is the fact he’s not afraid of the plate. It seems that young pitchers in particular sometimes want to nibble. They see a guy like Robinson Cano or David Wright or Joe Mauer, and they give the hitter too much credit.

Whitley’s gone right after guys.

“Going back to (the first game against) the Mets,” Whitley said. “The first inning, I threw some pitches, and guys took the same swings that they’d been taking for the past three years. (If) you try to make the game too hard, it’ll go fast. This game speeds up so quickly. That was my whole goal was just, make sure they hit their way on base.”

Whitley hasn’t walked anyone in his past four starts. He had a couple of late-game walks in his debut, and he’s walked just one batter since then. The past two times out, Whitley has pitched deep in the game without throwing as many as 90 pitches.

“You get that first inning in and I’m like, OK, my stuff plays,” Whitley said. “The defense is really good here, so let them hit their way. It goes back to learning in the minor leagues. I remember when I got called up to Double-A, I’d gone 40 innings in High-A and walked 10 — something like that; I wasn’t walking guys — then I get up to Double-A and I walked 16 guys in the first 30 innings. I was giving those guys way too much credit. Then go to Triple-A and start out on a similar run where I don’t walk many guys, and then all of a sudden for six weeks I’m pitching to the corners instead of pitching to the white.”

Whitley has been a starting pitcher for less than a year and a big leaguer for less than a month, but he’s pitching like he belongs.

“He could have gotten wins in pretty much every game he’s pitched for us,” Derek Jeter said. “He’s been outstanding for us. He’s fun to play behind because he throws a lot of strikes and he works very quickly. … He’s pitching ahead in the count a lot, which makes it a lot easier for you. He’s in the strike zone, he mixes his pitches up. Yeah, I think it’s important for not only young pitchers, but all pitchers.”

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144 Responses to “Whitley off to a strong start: “He doesn’t beat himself””

  1. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    what do you do with Beltran and Ichiro the Yanks need some thumper power in that RF/DH situation

  2. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Is minor-league slugger Peter O’Brien the answer to the Yankees’ power problem?
    ====
    I think he definitely needs more time YT. his average and obp would translate into Rob Deer on ML level or worse. It is going to be a huge hurdle imo, his strike zone judgment.

  3. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    it would be really nice for Phelps to right his ship here in the Oakland series it will be a tough test with their patient approach but maybe if he does it gets him going

  4. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I’ve been hesitant to discuss Whitley because I’m always hesitant to get excited about guys that come out of nowhere…. but man, he’s looked really good.

  5. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Two games in a row of at least 7 innings both w less than 100 pitches.

    I’m starting to be a believer.

    The Rays breed pitchers like Whitley.

    Excellent CU, great command, etc.

    They don’t wow ya’ but they get it done.

  6. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    MTU

    Where would O’Brien play? Good question!

    “So, why haven’t the Yankees pulled the trigger on this guy? Possibly because O’Brien has yet to find a true position.

    He entered the minors as a catcher, then moved around. After catching for all of 2012, the Yankees experimented with him at third base, but after O’Brien committed 18 errors in 38 games, they decided it wasn’t the right fit. He has rotated between catcher and outfield, and most recently has been given a chance to play first base.

    The organization is looking for anyway to get — and keep — his bat in the lineup. In the end, however, the versatility could help O’Brien get to the big leagues even faster.

    And, of course, there’s always DH.”

    MTU – RF or DH if Beltran needs surgery and Soriano is sent packing?
    First if Tex needs to rest his weary legs?

  7. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Phelps vs. Gray doesn’t sound too promising.

    :(

  8. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    “C Gary Sanchez, who was benched yesterday for disciplinary reasons, had a closed door meeting with the coaching staff according to Nick Peruffo. “Gary is out of there for a couple of days until we decide he deserves to play again, plain and simple,” said someone on the staff. This isn’t the first time they’ve had to discipline him — Sanchez was demoted to Extended Spring Training a few years ago because he refused to catch a bullpen session, among other things.”

    not hard to see why Murphy has passed him in the pecking order……Sanchez might get moved at the deadline if they see a decent deal. The Yanks typically don’t put up with this stuff……

  9. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    MTU – RF or DH if Beltran needs surgery and Soriano is sent packing?
    First if Tex needs to rest his weary legs?

    —————

    I know you’re asking MTU, but I’m on board with this lol!

    I wanna see Pirela up here too..

  10. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    YT-

    Not likely scenarios.

  11. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Cash

    Thanks for the feedback on O’Brien. Right now, Tex is the sole power bat in the lineup.

  12. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    Looks like Sanchez is pulling a Montero w/o the hitting part.

  13. austinmac June 13th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    O’Brien’s strike out rate isn’t too high so that is a bit encouraging. Wouldn’t it be great if he could work out?

  14. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    it would be Mac, i am hoping, but i think he needs more time. Roller is you man YT, the problem here is beltran can’t play OF, if he is going to be the DH, yanks need him to produce.

  15. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    MTU
    What’s not a likely scenario? Beltran still has discomfort in his right elbow, and wears a fairly thick pad to protect it. Soriano did hit a double last night on a high fastball, a mistake, when the guy clearly can’t touch off speed stuff, and struck out three times last night,

    And Tex gets rested for things as little as a hangnail! :)

    But as Cashmoney said, O’Brien is not quite ready to make the leap.

  16. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Next year’s rotation:

    Tanaka
    Lester
    Pineda/Nova
    Whitley
    CC

    ;)

  17. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    I think they maybe try to get Cervelli in games for a month or so and move him if they can get anything. Sanchez has always been on the block, IMO. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved but would have preferred his disciplinary stuff stayed in house so it didn’t hurt his value lol.

  18. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Greg bird got off a slow start, but I think if you are looking for good eyes and power, he is a surer bet.

  19. Tackelberry June 13th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Remind me again why we shouldn’t resign Robertson, those that wish to let him walk.

  20. Tackelberry June 13th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Bird is lefty, O’Brien is righty. Nice platoon situation there!

  21. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    They aren’t dumping Soriano.

    Tex needs to play as much as possible.

    Beltran is the only likely portion IMO, and OB does not have the foot speed to be a decent OF’er.

    ;)

  22. Tackelberry June 13th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    O’Brien is not ready. He would get eaten alive on breaking balls up here. He is just now starting to have more plate discipline as he has started walking more. I say leave him at AA for at least another month, then maybe he gets promoted to Scranton

  23. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    MTU – If Pineda and Nova can combine to give you a full season of work next year I’d be thrilled lol.. not sure it’s likely though.

  24. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Remind me again why we shouldn’t resign Robertson
    =====
    I don’t think Yanks will offer him a QO, robertson for 14 mil is a crime imo. Yanks can either sign him to 2-3 year deal, my reservation is his small frame and his ability to maintain fb as he waltz into not so prime age territory. you trade him because he has value and yanks can find a closer or promote the lights of burawa, pinder and montgomery and install betance as closer.

    what you don’t want is let him walk for nothing.

  25. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Shame-

    Then we’ll have Phelps/Nuno/Warren/ or Betances as BU’s.

    Always fun to speculate.

    We might also go after Maeda for the back of the Ro.

    :)

  26. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    I don’t see any way that the Yankees will not re-sign D-Rob.

    He’s gonna stay in Pinstripes.

    ;)

  27. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    my reservation is his small frame and his ability to maintain fb as he waltz into not so prime age territory.

    —————–

    I dunno that I share those concerns… Robertson’s fastball isn’t overpowering. He doesn’t rely on velo to be effective. And he isn’t going to get a very lengthy deal, so I don’t think you need to worry about a serious decline taking place over a 2 or 3 year period. He’s still a young dude.

  28. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    I think the decision on Robertson will be a determination as to whether or not budgetary concerns come into play. I’m convinced Betances could be a very good closer and Robertson is due for $ 8-10 M a year is not more.

    Now if they are going to move Betances back into a starting role, holding on to Robertson becomes a higher priority I would think.

    O’Brien doesn’t strike out a ton… less than 1X per game this year, but he will never hit for a high average. I could see an O’Brien/Roller or O’Brien/Bird tandem in the future.

    Meanwhile Solarte is in another 0-for-11 funk… time for Kelly Johnson at 3B tonight

  29. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    86-

    D-Rob is a proven closer.

    Betances is completely unproven.

    It takes more than just stuff to be a closer.

    Different animal.

    If you want Dellin as your closer you need to groom him for the role to see if he has the mental portion of the job.

    Ergo you keep D-Rob for at least another year.

    See. That was easy, wasn’t it ?

    :)

  30. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    cashmoney —

    The Yanks are not trading Robertson or any other impending free agent unless they are WAY out of contention. Never have, never will. Accepting it will get you to a happier place.

  31. Tackelberry June 13th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Cashmoney:

    I couldn’t disagree more. Yanks will absolutely offer Robertson a QO. !4 mill for 1 year to a closer who has proven himself on the big stage here? Its a no brainer. Robertson is the only one Yanks will offer a QO to

  32. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Unfortunately, Solarte has not been looking good lately.

    Hope he is not turning back into a pumpkin.

  33. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    MTU,

    I so want them to go get a bat or two at the deadline……I actually think this team could make a run if they could just get some more offense. They have the ace starter…..and the rest of the rotation is holding their own and could get better if CC and Pineda come back healthy at some point……the bullpen is ok and they have some options there as well for the 2nd half to beef it up if need be…….they need some offense……go get it and lets make a run Cashm

  34. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    MTU —-

    They didn’t do that with Righetti and they didn’t do it with Rivera…. and they didn’t do it with Robertson either. If they think Betances can handle it they will give him the job.

    and I hope that’s what they do.

  35. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Remind me again why we shouldn’t resign Robertson, those that wish to let him walk.

    I suppose there are four options kind of the same where we were with cano last year

    a) resign Robertson

    b) do not resign Robertson but offer him QO (is he worth 14-15 million)

    c) do not resign Robertson and not offer him QO

    d) trade Robertson midseason

    d will never happen as we learned last offseason

    Yanks need to decide though whether they will QO him if Robertson does not want negotiate until after testing the market

  36. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    agree it’s a no brainer to offer Drob the QO…..and he won’t take it. He can beat that on the market I believe. It’ll certainly hurt his market to be attached to the draft pick…..but I think he can get a 3 year deal from somebody to close. I’m hopeful the Yanks will extend him though before any of that plays out.

  37. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    I’ve said for a year now that O’Brien’s upside is that of Mark Trumbo but with better on base skills. Big power but no real position.

    I would like to see him finish the year in AAA, but to really do that it would mean that some guys currently at AAA will have to be promoted.

    While admitting it’s unlikely if Roller and O’Brien are able to maintain their power numbers at the major league level could you imagine how much improved the lineup would be with those two monsters hitting back-to-back.

  38. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    86-

    D-Rob was absolutely groomed for the job.

    He was Mo’s set-up Man.

    And I think Dellin should be too.

    And Dellin is not exactly Mo.

    But then again, no one is.

    Guess we agree to disagree on that one.

    Blake-

    I’m w you. And possibly another SP as well.

    ;)

  39. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Chase Headley is a guy that I doubt the Padres can make the QO to……he’d take it most likely and then they’d be back on the hook for 14 million for him in 2015. That’s why I think they have to trade him even if it’s for peanuts…..because they probably can’t get a draft pick for him……I’m sure Headley is praying to the heavens to get traded right now……so he can get a change of scenery and also to avoid the QO attachment if they did make him the offer.

  40. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    you are right 86, but i am already in a happy place!

    shame, the way Drob pitches, he need his fb to be about 94-95 range as blow by you offering. Hitters are off stride because they can’t sit on his fb or curve. I worry about his effectiveness if he velo dips to 91-93 range.

  41. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Headley is praying to the heavens to get traded right now

    who would you rather have on the Yanks Roberts or Headley

  42. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    MTU,
    I’d love to have another SP…..I just don’t think they can get the type guy that would make a difference. I think they have enough mid to back end guys…..they need another front of the rotation guy and I dont’ think they can get one unless the Phillies decide to just dump Cliff Lee’s salary……love to have another good SP……offense should be the priortiy though IMO>

  43. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Blake-

    That would be my preferred option w Robertson.

    An extension.

    Even w/o one I still want him back.

  44. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    agree it’s a no brainer to offer Drob the QO…..and he won’t take it. He can beat that on the market I believe.
    ====
    I am not sure about that,

  45. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    “who would you rather have on the Yanks Roberts or Headley”

    Headley for sure……it depends on what he’d cost to get…..but he’s been a good player a lot more recently than Roberts has (he was pretty good last year) and he’s a lot younger too. He may not end up being any better than Roberts but I’d roll the dice that he’d improve away from Petco if the price is right.

  46. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Robertson isn’t getting 14+Million, so the Yankees will have to be working on an extension soon, or wait till he declares FA and hope they can wrap him up quickly.

    Next year they will still need offense. In Robertson, even though he’s in his walk year, he’s going to be able to bring back a decent player. If the Yankees are plodding along come the TD, and are still dealing with their core players on the DL, then trading him then makes sense.

    However, when do the Yankees think proactively, lately?

  47. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    You guys have to be kidding on Robertson.

    He is one of the best relievers in baseball and has been for quite a while.

    Many Teams would just love to get their hands on him.

  48. Tackelberry June 13th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    I’d be happy to get Jason Hammel. Doubt we can match other teams in terms of prospect oackage to get Samardjia.

  49. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Get Headley….put him at 3B…move Solarte to 2B…..and see what happens. It may not help anything at all……but Headley is traditionally a 2nd half player and I have to believe he’d get a boost getting out of San Diego and into a better ballpark. He had a 115 OPS+ as recently at 2013…..which isn’t great…..but it’s a lot better than what they have now.

  50. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Yes make the QO to Robertson but also have a set price in mind.

    A lot of their decision on D-Rob will come down to how the kids are pitching in Scranton and what they want to do with Betances.

    I’ve said it many times, this reminds me a lot of the John Wetteland situation. Robertson is actually older than Wetteland was when the Yankees let him walk and handed the 9th to Mo and he was more accomplished than D-Rob too.

  51. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Get Headley….put him at 3B…move Solarte to 2B…..and see what happens. It may not help anything at all……but Headley is traditionally a 2nd half player and I have to believe he’d get a boost getting out of San Diego and into a better ballpark. He had a 115 OPS+ as recently at 2013…..which isn’t great…..but it’s a lot better than what they have now.
    ————————-

    Are you talking about signing Chase as a FA or trading for him now?

  52. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    I’m sorry but I have to run.

    Hike day today.

    Catch you all later.

  53. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    If DRob gets the QO and turns it down, he’ll be lucky to get an offer of 14M for two years.
    Doesn’t the team lose a draft pick, unless they are in the top 10 worst teams in the league?

  54. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Speaking of guys named Chase – I’m really liking Whitley. I wish Joe would let him go more than 85 pitches. He’s been very efficient and could go longer in games if Girardi wasn’t so set on getting his relievers into games in which they don’t actually need to appear.

  55. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Setting up is not grooming for a closer. A closer is a unique role that you cannot be groomed for. the way they are using Betances — in key high leverage situations — is every bit the “grooming” pitching the 8th inning offers and arguably more so.

    Let’s shy away from using the phrase “no brainer” shall we? It’s insulting to those who disagree and implies there is no intelligent argument to the position you are ataking out.

    thanx

  56. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    If DRob gets the QO and turns it down, he’ll be lucky to get an offer of 14M for two years.
    Doesn’t the team lose a draft pick, unless they are in the top 10 worst teams in the league?
    ————————-

    Yes, and the only relief pitcher who got a QO last offseason was Joe Nathan, but it worked out.

    A team with multiple compensation FAs of their own would probably sign Robertson.

  57. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    MTU

    Have a great day

  58. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Drob would jump on the QO, they are established closer who took much less YT, JMO.

    Yanks would be overpaying as usual which is how you wind up with 200 mil plus payroll and not remotely the talent level. and like Chip said, it is also contingent upon internal helps and how you allocate your resource as undoubtedly, yanks will be walking into 14 OS with many other needs to address.

    trade him now if Yanks ever operates in a none draconian fashion.

  59. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    this from rab’s mailbag

    Maybe Alex Rios and Colby Lewis? Luis Valbuena and Jason Hammel would actually be a real nice fit. Valbuena can play second and third and is hitting .288/.394/.456 (136 wRC+).

    I am intrigued by valbuena and hammel if you could add rios to that mix boy that would be a transformation and then let Beltran get his surgery

  60. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    *there are …

  61. blake June 13th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    “Robertson isn’t getting 14+Million, so the Yankees will have to be working on an extension soon, or wait till he declares FA and hope they can wrap him up quickly.”

    he’s not getting 14+ million in AAV but he can beat that in total money…..Joe Nathan got 2/20 plus options last year at age 39. Robertson is in his prime and one of the best relievers in baseball…..battle tested in NY and the AL east…..I don’t think he’ll have a problem beating the QO in free agency if he’s healthy.

  62. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    I’m not taking the chance that I have to pay David Robertson $ 14+ million next year. No way.

    Unless the payroll is shooting way up giving your closer a raise of more than $ 9 M is not smart business at all.

  63. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    “Are you talking about signing Chase as a FA or trading for him now?”

    trading for him and then seeing what happens…..if he comes back to life in the 2nd half away from Petco then maybe you offer him a cheapie extension before the season ends and see if he takes it…….either way it could be good for both parties. Obviously it depends on the price to get him…..I can’t imagine they’d demand that much though as much as he’s sucked this year.

  64. bigdan22 June 13th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Pete O’Brien isn’t coming to NY. He’s not even going to Scranton. O’Brien is hitting .237 this month with only 2 homers. He had 12 last month. He does have 4 walks though which for him is bushel.

    The power bat the Yanks need has always been Almonte, who’s now OPSing over 1.000 batting left-handed and has hit .375 with three homers in eight games since being sent down.

    Sanchez has now taken the honor from Mason Williams of being the Yanks’ biggest farm disappointment (Congrats Mason!). Which means he’s not going anywhere. The Yanks aren’t trading him with his value at an all-time low. Remember they traded Montero after the Miracle of September. That call-up had a huge impact on his depressed value at the time and made the off season trade possible. No, Sanchez will be put on a “prospect rehabilitation plan.” If he ever gets back on the field. Then of course traded, but that probably won’t be until next year now.

  65. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Robertson is in his prime and one of the best relievers in baseball
    =======
    well, Drob could take that 14 mil and try again in 15? why is that not a possibility?

  66. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    “Are you talking about signing Chase as a FA or trading for him now?”

    trading for him and then seeing what happens…..if he comes back to life in the 2nd half away from Petco then maybe you offer him a cheapie extension before the season ends and see if he takes it…….either way it could be good for both parties. Obviously it depends on the price to get him…..I can’t imagine they’d demand that much though as much as he’s sucked this year.
    ———————–

    Refsnyder and Mason Williams for Headley?

  67. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Which players do the Yankees have currently, that would boost a contending team in winning their division?

    Robertson
    Betances
    Maybe Warren and Murphy
    Gardner

    If the Yankees need offensive help next year also, and are still floundering,and won’t trade Betances, who brings the most value at the TD- DRob!

    Do you agree?

  68. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Judge, Sanchez, Whitley, Manbam and Ref for Stanton!

  69. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    I forgot to throw in Betance.

  70. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    “I’m not taking the chance that I have to pay David Robertson $ 14+ million next year. No way.”

    why? he’s awesome and I can almost guarantee you he’d turn it down…..i’m 99.9% sure he’d turn it down.

  71. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    “Refsnyder and Mason Williams for Headley?”

    noooo….I’m not giving that much at all. He’s a rental….you don’t get a draft pick back….and he’s really sucked this year…..I mean really sucked. I have to get a bargain…..if somebody else wants to pay that level then I’d let them.

  72. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    “well, Drob could take that 14 mil and try again in 15? why is that not a possibility?”

    no player has ever accepted the QO…..never once since this system was put into place. Now that could change next year after what happened to Drew, Morales, and Cruz……but those guys all had warts….Drob really doesn’t as a closer. It’s a possibility but I really think somebody would at least give him a 3/30 type deal and if you’re him that’s way better than 1/14

  73. JacobyEllsburriesIt June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Headley is garbage. I wouldn’t trade farm animals for him. Now Stanton, I would trade all 7 farm teams for him.

  74. hardwired7 June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Pretty cool story about Jeter and the friendship he formed with former Yankee farmhand Jalal Leach:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ath.....y-baseball

  75. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Here are the current stats of the MLB closers.

    You can decide what DRob is worth on the open market if the season ended today.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/closers

  76. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    I would trade them all for Stanton…..load up the bus and head to Miami…..just send a private jet to return my Giancarlo.

  77. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    “Refsnyder and Mason Williams for Headley?”

    noooo….I’m not giving that much at all. He’s a rental….you don’t get a draft pick back….and he’s really sucked this year…..I mean really sucked. I have to get a bargain…..if somebody else wants to pay that level then I’d let them.
    ————————–

    Zoilo, Jose Ramirez and Detrich Enns then.

    I mean, you have to give them something better than the draft pick they get if they lose him.

  78. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Stanton is game changer. Stanton is worth 5 P.WAR alone… psychological win above replacement.

  79. Giuseppe Franco June 13th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    I’ve said it many times, this reminds me a lot of the John Wetteland situation. Robertson is actually older than Wetteland was when the Yankees let him walk and handed the 9th to Mo and he was more accomplished than D-Rob too.

    —–

    There are 2 big differences with that comparison, though:

    -Robertson is WAY better than Wetteland was in his day

    -That two headed monster in the 8th and 9th innings was a new concept in 1996 and they had plenty of dependable guys like Nelson and Stanton for added depth. Now, most teams try to build their bullpen with that two headed monster so the importance of having it is much higher now 17-18 years later.

  80. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    “Zoilo, Jose Ramirez and Detrich Enns then.”

    it depends on what everyone else is offering……again I don’t think they can get a draft pick for him…..I can’t see them making him the QO for fear he’d take it and you can’t get a draft pick unless you offer him 14+ million for 2015. Zoilo might be enough by himself at this point if nobody else bids.

  81. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Stanton would put fannies in the seats in addition to being great on the field…..he’s a star…..the yanks only have 2 stars right now……1 is a pitcher…..the other is retiring in 4 months.

    But having said all that….it’s a pipe dream…..many teams could outbid the Yanks for Stanton.

  82. Cashmoney June 13th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    no doubt blake, it will certainly motivate me go see the Yanks. NYY are propelled by stars and winning, hopefully both.

  83. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Headley had an unreal last half of 2012, but since then he hasn’t been anything special. Not sure what I’d be content giving up for him.

  84. Yankee Trader June 13th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Stanton-look at a PC of his muscular body. How did he get that way? Get me some Trout.

    Yankees chance at the playoffs from NoMaas.org

    After sweep, here are the Yankees’ updated probabilities of making the playoffs
    June 13, 2014

    Fangraphs (via CoolStandings
    24.8% chance of making the playoffs either as the division or wild card
    The 24.8% probability is split between a 12.7% chance of winning the division and a 12.1% chance of getting a wild card spot.

    Baseball Prospectus:
    38.9% chance of making the playoffs either as the division winner or wild card
    That 38.9% probability is comprised of a 23.8% chance of winning the division and a 15.1% chance of winning the wild card.
    Remember, these probabilities are based on run differential and since the Yankees have been outscored by 25 runs on the season, it is being reflected in these lower playoff odds.

    Two other notes:
    1. Baseball Prospectus continues to give the Yankees a better chance of reaching the postseason.
    2. Both Fangraphs and Baseball Prospectus give the Yankees a lower probability of making the playoffs since we last looked on May 29th.

  85. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    “Headley had an unreal last half of 2012, but since then he hasn’t been anything special. Not sure what I’d be content giving up for him.”

    ok agreed….but lets talk in context to the Yankees here. If you got Headley you’re getting him essentially to upgrade 2B because Headley would play 3B and Solarte would move to 2B most likely…..

    Headley was a 3.5 WAR player and had a 115 OPS+ in 2013……and he’s traditionally a 2nd half player.

    Brian Roberts has been worth -.2 wins this year…..and while I know I’m comparing last year Headley to this year Roberts…..I think the point I’m trying to make is that Headley has a much better chance of being good in the 2nd half than Roberts does…..he’s younger and he’s been good a lot more recently…..he’s a good defender at 3B as well so you’re upgrading the left side D.

    I wouldn’t spend a lot to see if Headley can be better than Roberts…..but if he’s cheap I think it’s worth the risk.

  86. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Headley hit .280 .371 .458 .829 in the 2nd half last year after hitting .229 in the first half……given that he’s always better in the 2nd half and that he surely would get a boost from a new ballpark it’s a gamble that could payoff big time if you don’t have to pay a lot for him.

  87. Yankee Fan 1 June 13th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    hardwired7 June 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am
    Pretty cool story about Jeter and the friendship he formed with former Yankee farmhand Jalal Leach:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ath…..y-baseball
    __________________________________________________________________________
    I love that Leach had Derek do his dirty work for him re: his son. Haha.

  88. longtimefan June 13th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Headley, if available on reasonable terms, over Roberts in a New York minute.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Robertson isn’t a starter, so the wear-down-lose-velo-due-to-size doesn’t really have much substance, IMO.

    Whitley last night didn’t have his good slider in the first few innings but his change was really good; later though the slider came around when he needed it cos they were seeing a lot of change ups at that point. The 2-seamer was good also. His slider is already a reliable 3rd pitch for him and he knows when he needs it; like I’ve said, his stuff is much better than either Nuno’s, Phelps’ or Warren’s -’glad they aren’t making Warren a starter again -’I don’t think he could have nearly the success Whitmis having. Nice guidance from Murphy too! Great to see that youthful battery bringing it!

    I wis you guys would stop saying this is Gary Sanchez’s “second year in AA” – he arrived here in August of 2013! Hasn’t even been in Trenton for a full season. Don’t know what he did but I wish these things would remain in house and that “disciplinary” stuff would not necessarily mean your automatic ticket outta town. We’ll see – I’m not so capricious to just bail on that kind of power and batspeed – we have probably the shortest supply of that kind of combination on the ML level in all of baseball.

    O’Brien to me is absolutely not ready for the majors. It would be foolish to bring him up unless they just wanted him to get a taste. Let him alone – he was out in front of the curve and swinging through ones he saw for strikes in Manny’s game I saw. Nowhere near ready for the bigtime, ala Cashmoney’s observation.

    I have not seen Roller this season but his power at Trenton was pretty much extreme oppo and slightly left of center. Never saw him pull one although he may have -
    I didn’t witness it if he did. Not sure what’s been going on at SWB. He was a good hitter here but had trouble offspeed. Don’t they all! Most
    Anyway. Refsnyder is good at smelling out offspeed and so was Flores. Refs needs defender work – as he himself acknowledges.

  90. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    longtimefan June 13th, 2014 at 10:32 am
    Headley, if available on reasonable terms, over Roberts in a New York minute.

    ————–

    Anything that results in Roberts going away is a good thing. He’s one of the worst 2Bs in baseball right now and he’s playing at one of the few positions we can improve (by replacing him with Solarte).

  91. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Giuseppe Franco June 13th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Chip June 13th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    I’ve said it many times, this reminds me a lot of the John Wetteland situation. Robertson is actually older than Wetteland was when the Yankees let him walk and handed the 9th to Mo and he was more accomplished than D-Rob too.

    —–

    There are 2 big differences with that comparison, though:

    -Robertson is WAY better than Wetteland was in his day

    -That two headed monster in the 8th and 9th innings was a new concept in 1996 and they had plenty of dependable guys like Nelson and Stanton for added depth. Now, most teams try to build their bullpen with that two headed monster so the importance of having it is much higher now 17-18 years later.
    ————————-

    I’ll grant you that there’s more unknown behind Betances than there was behind Mariano. But like I said, it will (in part) depend on what the Yankees see the rest of the way from Kelley, Warren, Ramirez, Claiborne, Burawa, Pinder, Montgomery.

    As to the other part averages over a season

    Robertson: 68 games, 66 IP, 2.82 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 53 hits, 29 BB, 88 K
    Wetteland: 66 games, 82 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 66 hits, 27 BB, 86 K

    Robertson has the better K rate (12/9 IP) but if you take out Wetteland’s last two years with Texas his ERA is lower and, of course, Wetteland was a closer for most of his career.

  92. longtimefan June 13th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Anything that results in Roberts going away is a good thing. He’s one of the worst 2Bs in baseball right now and he’s playing at one of the few positions we can improve (by replacing him with Solarte

    Could not agree more, painful watching Roberts out there.

  93. astrocityfan June 13th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Not sure id want the yanks to give up anything for headley before trying in house options. Ill keep banging the Roller\Pierla drum. I think the yanks would be much better replacing johnson and kelly with those two. I still think refs will be the second half second baseman but we will see.

  94. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    blake —-

    I agree completely that Headley is worth a shot. Headley at 3B and Solarte/Johnson at 2B is a lot me encouraging that 100 more games of Brian Roberts.

    The devil is in the details — specifically the price tag.

    Shane Greene, Austin Romine and Eric Jageilo?

  95. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Yea but Headley would just be a rental with no long term comittment……I’d prefer that over potentially rushing Refsynder.

  96. blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Shane Greene, Austin Romine and Eric Jageilo?”

    no way I’d give Jageilo……I’m talking I want him for a bargain……I’m not giving any real prospects for him…..especially infielders. Slade Heathcott maybe……nobody that still has real promose though

  97. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    The comp between Robertson and Wetteland aren’t as important as the comparison between the supporting case in ’96 vs the supporting case now.

  98. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    blake —-

    I agree completely that Headley is worth a shot. Headley at 3B and Solarte/Johnson at 2B is a lot me encouraging that 100 more games of Brian Roberts.

    The devil is in the details — specifically the price tag.

    Shane Greene, Austin Romine and Eric Jageilo?
    ——————————-

    I don’t think that you’re getting Headley without giving up more than that.

    Maybe Headley for Gary Sanchez straight up.

  99. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    cast*….. cast*

    Hahaha.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    MTU -

    FYI: Dellin Betances has struck out 50 percent of the LHB he has faced at YSIII

    Has a 18/9 K rate vs. lefties there

    Has given up a 16.7 % of LD vs. LHB there

    Has induced 66.7% groundballs against
    Lefties at home

    Has a -0.06 FIP vs LHB at YSIII

    Thesw kinds of insane numbers against the bugaboo for RH power pitchers in our ballpark vs LHB and the skills and stuff that make them possible is why I want to see Betances in the rotation again.

    But do ya think, with that kind of mastery, he could handle the ninth inning?? By the way, walking 7.1 percent in those situations (or 2.57 BB/9 or if you like 42.9% K-BB
    !!!
    :)

  101. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Shane Greene, Austin Romine and Eric Jageilo?”

    no way I’d give Jageilo……I’m talking I want him for a bargain……I’m not giving any real prospects for him…..especially infielders. Slade Heathcott maybe……nobody that still has real promose though
    ———————

    The Padres are going to make a QO for him because Headley will get multiple years from someone. He’s not going to be next year’s Stephen Drew or Kendrys Morales.

    So you have to give San Diego something better than what they’ll get via the draft.

    Also, if Drew continues to be hurt I could see Boston competing for Headley in a trade.

  102. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    It would be way out of character for the Yanks to ove Refsnyder along that quickly. He just got to Scranton.

    However if they replaced Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts with Kyle Roller and either Pirela or Wheeler I’d be quite content. If also they sent Ichiro to Seattle and replaced him with Almonte so much the better.

  103. JacobyEllsburriesIt June 13th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Refsnyder won’t be rushed. He *might* get a september call up and be a pinch runner late in the year. He won’t start a game unless they’re out of it completely.

  104. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Chip —

    I understand the sentiment, but if the Yanks offer San Diego nothing, that’s precisely what they will get from them.

  105. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    “The Padres are going to make a QO for him because Headley will get multiple years from someone. He’s not going to be next year’s Stephen Drew or Kendrys Morales.”

    I disagree…..I think that’s exactly who he’d be. I don’t see anyone giving their first round pick for him right now…..

    we’ll see how it plays out…..but he’s been really bad this year…..I think the padres will ultimately just trade him for whatever they can get because they’ll be afraid to make him a QO. ……last year is gonna scare some players IMO….I think you’ll see the first guys start to take that QO to avoid what happened to Cruz and Morales, and Drew……and Headley is a prime example of a guy that fits into that range…..

  106. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Headley has been worth .5 wins this year and is hitting .200…..most of that WAR is defense…I just can’t see teams offering that much for 3 months of him when you can’t even get a draft pick back……certainly his market would be limited to the contenders who think he’s a potential upgrade for them at 3B? Who are these teams?

  107. 86w183 June 13th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    gotta run…. Good luck Phelps in that pitching match up w/Sonny Gray

    Have a Day

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    astrocityfan June 13th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Not sure id want the yanks to give up anything for headley before trying in house options. Ill keep banging the Roller\Pierla drum. I think the yanks would be much better replacing johnson and kelly with those two. I still think refs will be the second half second baseman but we will see.
    ///

    Just see Roller as more of a guy who might be “depth” in a trade than someone the Yankees would actually bring up to help.

    Now, he is left-handed, and Tex does have issues, but he isn’t really a pull power guy. Like I said, haven’t seen his SWB tear at all, but despite being a pretty good hitter with power, that power always seems to be left of CF. He’s also 26 years old… I know..young for a Yankee… it would be nice to see, but I just don’t think it will happen in any large sample way, if at all

    Pirela has always hit, the fielding part has been the issue… I guess they hope all of these 1B cameos result in something lasting

  109. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Headley has been worth .5 wins this year and is hitting .200…..most of that WAR is defense…I just can’t see teams offering that much for 3 months of him when you can’t even get a draft pick back……certainly his market would be limited to the contenders who think he’s a potential upgrade for them at 3B? Who are these teams?
    ——————-

    I guarantee Boston will be in on him. They’re disappointed in Middlebrooks and Holt and Drew has been hurt since coming back. They could offer Nava and another prospect to the Padres and figure that Headley will be a much better player once he starts taking aim at the Pesky Pole and Green Monster.

    Bottom line – you know Headley isn’t as worthless as you’re painting him to be or else you wouldn’t want the Yankees to trade for him. You want them to buy low on him, and so do I, but you have to be realistic.

    If you want to get a 3b without giving up anything decent you’ll probably have to settle for someone like Casey McGehee or Luis Valbuena.

  110. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    “I guarantee Boston will be in on him. They’re disappointed in Middlebrooks and Holt and Drew has been hurt since coming back. ”

    they just spent 10 million on Drew and they have several options in house there…..I dont’ see them bidding anything more than just a B lister or something that they Yankees would.

  111. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    astrocityfan June 13th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Not sure id want the yanks to give up anything for headley before trying in house options. Ill keep banging the Roller\Pierla drum. I think the yanks would be much better replacing johnson and kelly with those two. I still think refs will be the second half second baseman but we will see.
    ///

    Just see Roller as more of a guy who might be “depth” in a trade than someone the Yankees would actually bring up to help.

    Now, he is left-handed, and Tex does have issues, but he isn’t really a pull power guy. Like I said, haven’t seen his SWB tear at all, but despite being a pretty good hitter with power, that power always seems to be left of CF. He’s also 26 years old… I know..young for a Yankee… it would be nice to see, but I just don’t think it will happen in any large sample way, if at all

    Pirela has always hit, the fielding part has been the issue… I guess they hope all of these 1B cameos result in something lasting
    ———————

    Roller: It depends on whether Beltran can play the field. If Beltran’s limited to DH duties then there’s no place for Roller on the 25. If Beltran can play RF then they could use Roller in a DH platoon with Soriano instead of Kelly Johnson.

    Pirela: Has as many errors at 2b this year as Brian Roberts. They are playing him at 1b now because they wanted to promote Refsnyder and they realize that Pirela may have a roll on the Yankees as a super-utility guy if not at 2b. It’s the same role they wanted Eduardo Nunez to play, the difference is that they’re letting Pirela play these different spots in the minors before asking him to do it at the major league level.

  112. Missing Cano June 13th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    shakeup coming with the Padres if you believe trade rumors anyone interested in Ian Kennedy or Seth Smith?

  113. NYY fan in NH June 13th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Nava is terrible this year and Holt is actually someone the Sox value right now!

  114. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Air Jordan apparently just recently became the first billionaire athlete. He now owns almost 90% of the Hornets.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Yes, I know they’re playing Pirela at 1B. Thus my comment about hoping one of the 1B cameos stick. O’Brien got his first taste of 1B at the Manny start I attended. They’re hoping one of these options work out – probably for the future as well, since wrist injuries always seem to hang on.

  116. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    I wouldn’t mind Seth Smith playing some RF and knocking the ball around against RHP.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Maybe MJ can invest in the Yankees as part of a Jeter-headed group :D

  118. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Yes, I know they’re playing Pirela at 1B. Thus my comment about hoping one of the 1B cameos stick. O’Brien got his first taste of 1B at the Manny start I attended. They’re hoping one of these options work out – probably for the future as well, since wrist injuries always seem to hang on.
    ——————–

    Right – I’m just saying it’s not to groom him as a 1b it’s to see if he has defensive versatility in general.

  119. Chip June 13th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    “I guarantee Boston will be in on him. They’re disappointed in Middlebrooks and Holt and Drew has been hurt since coming back. ”

    they just spent 10 million on Drew and they have several options in house there…..I dont’ see them bidding anything more than just a B lister or something that they Yankees would.
    —————–

    If they had several in-house options that were any good they wouldn’t have spent $10 mil to bring back Stephen Drew.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    They should have done this with Montero, who has not been too bad at 1B.

    Versatility is always good when you can give it a real trial. Not like the stupid thing they did with Nunez – throwing him into LF for one game after never having given him any reps there.

  121. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    “If they had several in-house options that were any good they wouldn’t have spent $10 mil to bring back Stephen Drew.”

    well you don’t spend 10 million on a player and then go out and trade a lot to replace them……honestly I just can’t see any team giving a lot for Headley.

  122. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    “Maybe MJ can invest in the Yankees as part of a Jeter-headed group :D”

    as long as he stays away from the player decisions…..he’s not been very good at that with a game he does know!

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Well, hey, get a non-sports guy, hey I know, maybe JayZ can help Jeter buy the Yanks?……

    ?…..?

    :D

  124. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    astrocityfan June 13th, 2014 at 10:50 am
    Not sure id want the yanks to give up anything for headley before trying in house options. Ill keep banging the Roller\Pierla drum

    —————-

    They have over a month before the deadline, so I agree I’d like them to test Pirela over that time period.

  125. Moschitto June 13th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Contrary to expert opinion, the major reason not to sign Stephen Drew at the time to a 14 Million Dollar contract was his history of injuries. Second reason is that he is not that good. He’s one for seventeen since re-joining Boston. That’s why some experts are merely bloggers They know more about meat and who overeats than they know about baseball

  126. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    “That’s why some experts are merely bloggers They know more about meat and who overeats than they know about baseball”

    you’re right….I don’t know anything about baseball. Carry on…..are you a PETA member BTW?

  127. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Should we take votes on who knows the most about meat..?

    Or is that a LoHud After Dark conversation?

  128. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    I think that’s for after dark……we can have a vote on who knows the most about fruits and veggies during the day.

  129. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    and I’d still much rather have Drew than Brian Roberts.

  130. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    JAP-

    I want to see him do it is all.

    Try before you buy sort of thing.

    Most likely he’d be a terrific success.

    I’m surprised at how many (not necessarily you) are so willing to jettison Robertson.

    I just don’t see the Yankees doing it.

    Then again, I’m usually a reverse barometer.

    ;)

  131. blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    I think whether or not they keep Robertson will largely depend on Hal……if he makes Cashman stick within a certain budget that’s around what it is this year then it’s gonna be hard to fill all their needs and Cash may have to prioritize and decide they they need infielders more than a closer……I want to keep Drob and Cash probably does as well…..but the need offense more than they need a closer…..so it may come down to how much they can spend.

  132. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:47 am
    I think that’s for after dark……we can have a vote on who knows the most about fruits and veggies during the day.

    ————

    :lol:

  133. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Blake-

    They do not have a proven closer other than Robertson.

    Are we just to assume one of the other guys can carry that load ?

    In case no one has noticed it’s kind of an important role.

    Not nailing that spot down w someone you know can do the job seems kind of dumb to me.

    But what the heck do I know.

    And for the record, I don’t give a crap about Hal’s budget plans.

    ;)

  134. G. Love June 13th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Did I just read Gary Sanchez is getting the NY Yankees Jose Tabata disciplinary treatment?

    There goes our catcher of the future and all his trade value.

  135. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    G. Love-

    Nah. We’ll just trade him to someone for another pitcher w a broken wing.

    ;)

  136. Jerkface June 13th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    There goes our catcher of the future and all his trade value.

    We will trade him for Xavier Nady Redux (Seth Smith?) at the deadline this year then still fail to make the playoffs.

  137. Hankflorida June 13th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    The lack of power has the Yankees ranked 22nd in the league in home runs (52) and 22nd in run scored (256). And with a team batting average of just .242, the Yankees are showing they can’t consistently manufacture runs with timely hitting.

    Trader, I think that you just made the case that the dismantling of the Bronx Bombers was a mistake, and that the Yankees have to find the players who can play the power game. What is frustrating is that besides Tanaka, the other starting pitchers may not be able to keep the opposition in check when their team is limited in putting big numbers on the board.

  138. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    blake June 13th, 2014 at 11:53 am
    I think whether or not they keep Robertson will largely depend on Hal……if he makes Cashman stick within a certain budget that’s around what it is this year then it’s gonna be hard to fill all their needs and Cash may have to prioritize and decide they they need infielders more than a closer……I want to keep Drob and Cash probably does as well…..but the need offense more than they need a closer…..so it may come down to how much they can spend.

    ————–

    Very likely the case… it goes without saying, I don’t like it lol.

    As I’ve said before, generally I value everyday INFers over bullpen arms. I would think that’d be a common opinion. But if we can only upgrade one SP for next year, we could use as many resources in the pen as possible. I don’t like the idea of giving Robertson the QO. The most cost effective way to keep him is an extension. Do it or package him in a deal.

  139. EliasInNH June 13th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    I guarantee Boston will be in on him. They’re disappointed in Middlebrooks and Holt
    —-
    I respectfully think that you’re out of your mind if you think Boston is disappointed in Holt. Middlebrooks, probably, but not Holt. He is hitting .336/.373/.466, 30% of his hits are xBH, and plays multiple positions. Being a Yankee fan living in New England, I see a lot of Red Sox games, and hear a lot about the Red Sox, and I can tell you that he has been a force batting lead off for them.

  140. MTU June 13th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Hank-

    Teams w weak offenses don’t go very far.

    Ours was supposed to be at least middle of the pack or better when drawn up.

    Hasn’t worked that way so far.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    MTU June 13th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    JAP-

    I want to see him do it is all.

    Try before you buy sort of thing.

    Most likely he’d be a terrific success.

    I’m surprised at how many (not necessarily you) are so willing to jettison Robertson.

    I just don’t see the Yankees doing it.

    Then again, I’m usually a reverse barometer.

    ///

    Heading out, MTU, but no, I’m not in the get rid of Robertson camp, in fact, I’ve argued about his BB rates and how they don’t really mean that much in the past when he was doing his Kerry Wood impression.

    Love DRob, he’s a great closer – he’s been an elite reliever for a while, now.

    Dellin and his changeup, to the rotation; but can he close? He’s unhittable for six to seven innings, and to my point and the reason I posted all those numbers, is to show how resoundingly successful he is against left-handed batters: always has been and it’s why I said like three years ago he’s a perfecto mix of groundballs, miserable contact and Ks to be utterly shutdown as a starter in Yankee Stadium

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock June 13th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Have a great day, meat eaters and vegans alike :D lacto-pesco vegans – you too!

  143. blake June 13th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    MTU,
    I’m with you man but if it comes down to a SS or 3B and or a closer or even a starter or a closer then you have to go with the more valuable player…..love Drob….hope they keep him…..hope Hal lets Cash keep him.

  144. JimK June 13th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    I checked on Headly’s career stats, and other than 2012, when he had over 100 RBI’s, his overall statistics are similar to Brett Gardner’s, who is approximately the same age.
    To this point in the season Gardner’s overall numbers are much better than Headley’s and a comparison of Headly/Gardner 2013 season numbers gives Gardner a slight edge in SLG. & OPS.
    In general Headley is Gardner w/o the speed, as he is not going to hit for much power or drive in many runs. Granted he is an IF where the Y’s need help, but if the Y’s were to trade for him I would not recommend they part with any of their established players, or promising rookies for who is essentially a lifetime .260 hitter.
    I guess it comes back to my recurring nightmare where the Y’s part with, say O’Brien, who after being traded becomes the next Fred McGriff.

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