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Minor league notes: Judge and Severino on the move

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 16, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Figured we’d take a kind of position-by-position look through the Yankees minor league system, highlighting one player at each position who should be on your radar for one reason or another.

SanchezCATCHER – Gary Sanchez
The everyday catcher in Trenton — and the top prospect in the system according to most offseason rankings — was benched for disciplinary reasons last week. He hasn’t played since last Tuesday. “It was disciplinary action,” manager Tony Franklin told The Trentonian. “I needed to take care of that today, to get things clarified and cleared up. I’m not going to tell you what it was, but it was a violation of some of our guidelines and I needed to take care of it. Gary is out of there for a couple of days until we decide he deserves to play again, plain and simple.” This is not the first time Sanchez has been disciplined in his career. He’s still awfully young, but it’s obviously a significant concern if the Yankees are even somewhat discussing the issue publicly.
Worth mentioning: Seems inevitable that John Ryan Murphy will be in Triple-A when Francisco Cervelli comes off the disabled list this week. That will probably push Austin Romine back into part-time duty after a good month of May but a slow start to June. … Don’t know much about him, but a 21-year-old catcher named Eduardo de Oleo is tied for Charleston’s team lead with nine home runs.

FIRST BASE – Pete O’BrienO'Brien
It’s been almost two weeks since O’Brien saw any time in right field. He got to Double-A on May 9, got his first turn at first base on June 8 and has since played only first base, catcher and designated hitter (Sanchez being benched has obviously opened some playing time behind the plate). O’Brien’s ultimate defensive role has always been a question — he’s a huge guy who just looks more like a first baseman than a catcher — but his bat is what really matters. His batting average and on-base percentage are pretty low since the bump up to Double-A, but his power is unreal. He hit another homer on Saturday and already has 13 in 35 games with the Thunder. He has the kind of raw power that profiles at first. His .235/.278/.551 slash line in Trenton suggests there’s growth to be done at Double-A, but that power plays.
Worth mentioning: After a little more than a month in Triple-A, left-handed-hitter Kyle Roller is still putting up big numbers. He’s hitting .291/.378/.530, and having success against both lefties and righties. Could be an option if Mark Teixeira lands on the DL again. Roller’s getting a lot of DH time, though. … When he came off the disabled list in Tampa on May 7, Greg Bird got off to a terrific start but his slash line is down to .238/.340/.385. Still taking a lot of walks, but he hasn’t homered since May 24. … Early season surprise Mike Ford has landed on the Charleston disabled list. He was hitting .305/.398/.482.

RefsnyderSECOND BASERob Refsnyder
Had a good year last year, and Refsnder has easily become one of the most interesting prospects in the Yankees system this year. He was dominant in Double-A and earned a promotion to Triple-A last Tuesday. He’s hitting just .200/.200/.300 with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, but that’s through just 20 at-bats, so it’s relatively meaningless. What’s far more interesting is the fact Refsnyder was drafted in 2012 and has already climbed to the top of the Yankees minor league system. He’s new to second base — played outfield in college — but the Yankees have pushed him through two levels in 2013 and already two levels in 2014. Obviously second base is pretty wide open in the near and distant future, and Refsnyder is positioning himself to be a realistic option as early as next season (if not as a late-season call-up this year).
Worth mentioning: After having five multi-hit games through the first two months of the season in Low-A Charleston, Gosuke Katoh has now had three multi-hit games since June 7. I guess that’s the good news about last year’s second-round pick. Katoh had 215 plate appearances last season and hit .310/.402/.522 with 27 walks and 44 strikeouts. He’s had 217 plate appearances this year and has hit .190/.302/.315 with 28 walks and 75 strikeouts. … It’s just not happening for another second-rounder. Angelo Gumbs has a .239/.283/.331 slash line in Tampa, and it’s not getting any better because he’s back on the disabled list. Hasn’t played since May 21.

BichetteTHIRD BASEDante Bichette Jr.
Successfully putting himself back on the prospect radar, the Yankees top draft pick was a starting third baseman in this weekend’s Florida State League all-star game. He hit fifth and had a single. Bichette’s off to a slow start in the month of June — hitting just .238/.289/.262 through 12 games this month — but that slow start is coming immediately after Bichette hit six homers in the month of May. With Eric Jagielo on the Tampa disabled list, Bichette is getting regular playing time at third base again. Hasn’t really done enough to jump back into the organization’s Top 10 prospects — not in my mind, anyway — but he’s hit enough to finally get some positive attention again.
Worth mentioning: Last year’s first-round pick, Eric Jagielo, came out of a game on May 20 because of tightness in his right side, and he hasn’t played since. The Yankees had been encouraged by the power Jagielo was showing in High-A. He has a .256/.339/.500 slash line for the year and was slugging .641 in his previous 17 games before the injury. … Signed as a minor league free agent, Zelous Wheeler came to the Yankees having never spent a full season in Triple-A but he had a great spring and has become a staple of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre lineup. He’s hit .306/.353/.482 while playing a lot of third base, shortstop and right field (plus a little second base). He’s slugging .528 against lefties.

CulverSHORTSTOP – Cito Culver
Can’t make much of this, but the Yankees top draft pick from 2010 has shown some tangible offensive improvement this season. He had a .534 OPS in April, a .659 in May, and so far in June he has an .864 with a .270/.404/.459 slash line. Only 37 at-bats so far this month, but Culver’s already walked nine times in June, which is one away from his total for May. The Yankees have always believed in Culver’s glove — I’ve personally seen him make some fine plays in spring training — but his bat has never been nearly enough, even in the lower-levels. Still really young, though, and this year he’s hitting strictly right-handed. As you’d expect, he’s been better against lefties than against righties.
Worth mentioning: Arguably the top shortstop prospect in the Yankees system, Abiatal Avelino hurt his quad in early May and still hasn’t returned. Without Avelino in the lineup, Tyler Wade has been the everyday shortstop with Low-A Charleston. He’s been alright with a .269/.344/.339 season slash line (.281/.379/.351) in his past 14 games). … Dean Anna has been on the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre disabled list since the end of May. The Triple-A team can basically choose between the out-of-position Wheeler or likely out-of-his-league Carmen Angelini at shortstop these days. … Short season Staten Island got it season started last week. Their shortstop is Thairo Estrada, who’s an interesting low-level prospect.

PirelaLEFT FIELDJose Pirela
Highest batting average on the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre roster belongs to Pirela, a once forgotten shortstop prospect whose bat began to emerge the past few years in Double-A. Although he’s been mostly a middle infielder in his career, Pirela’s most-recent playing time has come in left field and at first base. He’s a curious call-up possibility mostly because it’s hard to figure out whose spot he would take on the big league roster. He hasn’t played any third base this year, he’s not playing second now that Refsnyder is up from Double-A, and despite an awfully good .325/.364/.449 slash line, would be really be trusted as a a replacement for either Mark Teixeira or Alfonso Soriano. Zelous Wheeler, Scott Sizemore, Adonis Garcia and Kyle Roller could be more realistic options at the positions Pirela’s playing now.
Worth mentioning: In an outfield full of bigger-name prospects, Taylor Dugas continues to have a fine season in Double-A. Listed at just 5-foot-9, Dugas is hitting .309/.422/.448 while getting all of his time in the outfield corners. Might not lead to anything for Dugas, but he’s certainly doing what he can. … Former corner infielder Zach Wilson made the Florida State League all-star team — he’s getting almost all of his playing time this year in either left field or right field this year — but his numbers have dipped considerably since the month of April.

HeathcottCENTER FIELD -- Slade Heathcott
Just nine games after finally leaving extended spring training, the often-injured Heathcott is back on the DL. I tried to call Mark Newman before my flight took off this morning, but he’s a tough man to reach in the morning (gets out to the fields at the minor league complex really early) and so I wasn’t able to ask for clarification on the Heathcott injury. Unless I’ve missed some bit of reporting out of Trenton — which is entirely possible during this road trip — it seems that all we know is that it’s apparently a knee issue again and Heathcott doesn’t want to talk about it. There’s obviously talent there, but he’s really had a hard time staying on the field.
Worth mentioning: When Heathcott was playing in Trenton, he was seeing a lot of time in right field because center field belongs to Mason Williams. Problem is, Williams isn’t hitting at all; just .226/.308/.305 for the year. Maybe the .314/.333/.412 production in his past 12 games is a sign of things turning around, but the overall numbers aren’t encouraging. … One more Florida State League all-star worth mentioning is Jake Cave who was terrific in May but has gotten off to a slow start in June. Hitting .299/.349/.396 for the year. Like Wiliams and Heathcott (and Ellsbury and Gardner) Cave is a left-handed hitter.

JudgeRIGHT FIELDAaron Judge
There was a time early this season when Judge was taking walks and hitting for average, but he wasn’t getting many extra-base hits. At the time, Newman said it was the least of the Yankees worries, and now we’ve seen why. Judge is hitting .432/.527/.795 since the end of May, and he’s hitting .333/.428/.530 for the year. He has nine homers and 45 RBI. He has the organization’s highest batting average and second-most RBI (behind Pete O’Brien), and the overwhelming expectation is that Judge will be promoted to High-A Tampa fairly soon. Judge didn’t play at all last year which was a big part of the Yankees decision to start him in Low-A this year. Could be up with his fellow 2013 draftee Jagielo shortly. He’s certainly hit well enough to earn it.
Worth mentioning: Tyler Austin continues to get some time at first and third, though he’s been mostly a right fielder lately. Still not hitting, though; just .247/.320/.360 for the year. … In Triple-A, Adonis Garcia has spent a lot of time in center field this season, but I still tend to think of him as a right fielder. He was hitting .367/.441/.700 through the first eight games this month, but he hasn’t played in a week after hurting his left leg.

SeverinoSTARTING PITCHERLuis Severino
Quickly emerging as the top pitching prospect in the Yankees system, Severino is reportedly on the move. According to Josh Norris, Severino has been promoted from Low-A Charleston to High-A Tampa. The move comes after Severino pitched to a 2.79 ERA with 70 strikeouts and 15 walks through 67.2 innings in Charleston. Severino really emerged last season, and the Yankees speak of him with extremely high hopes. He just turned 20 in February, so he’s still awfully young. Wasn’t even old for the South Atlantic League, but he’s pitched his way out of there. Severino is getting to Tampa just as Rafael De Paula has stumbled recently. De Paula has lost three of his past four starts, and he allowed seven runs in two innings in two of them. His ERA was 2.90 at the start of the day on May 25. Now it’s 4.97.
Worth mentioning: Activated in early May, Ian Clarkin has now made nine starts with Charleston, including five scoreless innings yesterday. He has a 3.67 ERA with 42 strikeouts and eight walks. … Manny Banuelos continues to have his inning significantly limited. He went three innings with just one hit last time out with Trenton, but the Yankes are still capping his workload at three innings as he comes back from Tommy John surgery. Newman has said the Yankees don’t want to waste all of his bullets in case he’s needed in the big leagues late in the year. … After walking at least two batters in six straight starts, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre starter Shane Greene didn’t walk anyone last time out (but he did give up eight hits). Greene was terrific last season, and he opened eyes this spring, but he has a 6.17 ERA in Triple-A. Could be an alternative to Vidal Nuno if he were pitching better.

MontgomeryRELIEF PITCHERMark Montgomery
The numbers in Triple-A weren’t bad for Montgomery, but when the Yankees added Heath Bell on a minor league deal last week, it was Montgomery who was demoted to Double-A. Just a few years ago Montgomery was being compared to Dave Robertson and was a clearly bullpen standout in the Yankees system, but scouts don’t seem as sold on him lately. His slider is a weapon, but Donnie Collins points out that Montgomery’s fastball has been 87-88 mph lately. He missed some time last year with a shoulder issue, and that might have robbed Montgomery of some of his raw stuff. It’s interesting that upon getting to Trenton, Montgomery was placed on the disabled list. Can’t think of any reason to send him down just for a DL stint.
Worth mentioning: Once a kind of fringy prospect with an awesome name, Graham Stoneburner had been working as both a starter and a a reliever this season, but he’s reportedly been released. He had a 7.04 ERA in Trenton. … Having fallen all the way from the big leagues to Double-A, lefty Cesar Cabral has eight walks in 9.1 innings with Trenton (he’s had two three-walk outings). The new lefty ahead of him is Francisco Rondon who was sent up to Triple-A about two weeks ago. He once had a 40-man spot, so the Yankees like him at least a little bit. Rondon’s pitched four times with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, going two scoreless innings each time. … Remember Nick Goody, who got hurt in big league camp a couple of years ago? He’s pitching out of the High-A Tampa bullpen, and he’s been really good. Through 14.1 innings he has 25 strikeouts and four walks.

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127 Responses to “Minor league notes: Judge and Severino on the move”

  1. bbb51 June 16th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    “We had thought (Wells) would be a fit here, at the very least, in that role that Andruw Jones had been playing for the past two years,”

    I think this statement has been misinterpreted.

  2. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    That’s not the statement JAP is referring to.

    Cashman did say that they had been looking at Wells for 2 years. I believe he said it on Kay’s radio show.

  3. Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    I think this statement has been misinterpreted.

    No you have the wrong statement, what you want is the statement where Cashman said he has been trying to acquire Wells for 2 years.

  4. Doreen June 16th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Been busy. Will catch up on all things Yankees later on, but I just wanted to say rest in peace, Tony Gwynn. I loved watching him hit, and play. He seemed like a real gentleman, in the true sense of that word, and his love for the game showed. Too young.

  5. Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Its really hard to find any quote, unless you happen to know the exact quote, for sports because articles referencing both parties are created probably every minute so you have a bunch of irrelevant returns in any search.

    Cashman, either in a press conference or on ESPN radio or where ever said he was trying to acquire Wells ‘for a while’ or for ‘some time’ or ‘the past 2 seasons’, whatever. Point is, Cashman finally got his man and it sucked.

  6. Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    I listened to Lou Gehrig’s farewell speech and was at Yankee Stadium when they honored The Babe before he passed away in his fifties. I was too young to understand what these men meant to baseball and as the song goes, “Johnny, I hardly knew ye,” and in the October of my life and seeing those much younger depart from this life and knowing of their greatness, it saddens me to say goodbye to them. RIP, Tony Gwynn as I was glad to have known ye.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    bbb51 June 16th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    “We had thought (Wells) would be a fit here, at the very least, in that role that Andruw Jones had been playing for the past two years,”

    I think this statement has been misinterpreted.
    ///

    The capitals letters were provided by Cashman, meaning the GM wanted to emphasize just how valuable Wells has been to the Yankees. The Yankees spoke to the Angels about Wells in the offseason, a time in which they viewed him as a backup. When Cashman rekindled those discussions last March, he wanted Wells as a starter because Curtis Granderson was sidelined with a fractured hand. Now that Granderson has returned, and Manager Joe Girardi is rotating four outfielders in three spots, Girardi should make sure Wells (.287, 10 homers, 24 runs batted in) is always in the lineup.

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/news…..d=48387076

    Can’t find the “wanted him for two years” quote, but this aptly speaks to the inflated regard Cashman had for a washed up player.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    His .235/.278/.551 slash line in Trenton suggests there’s growth to be done at Double-A, but that power plays.
    ///

    O’Brien has not looked very good vs. offspeed pitches. Sometimes he demonstrates discipline vs. the off-the-plate variety, but he’ll be fooled and swing through curveballs or get caught hacking them to shortstop, etc.

    As of now, Judge looks like the more advanced power guy who has a good chance to hit for a decent average, or maybe better. Will be interesting to see where his bat is after his Tampa season.

  9. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    G. Love June 16th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Chip,

    I think most of us have been wishing Girardi realized that careers have arcs and that players aren’t in their prime of that arc any longer.

    Unfortunately, he shows no real willingness to do this.

    It’s perplexing because on one hand, it appears he has a good feel how to run a pen over the years here, but in other areas of the team he has almost no feel.

    I just wish someone in the Yankee hierarchy sat him down one time and said you really need to stop with this back of the baseball card routine. It’s insulting to fans who watch the game and makes you look like a pie in the sky delusional fool.

    I’ve seen enough of Brian Roberts, Soriano, Kelly Johnson and frankly Brendan Ryan (who has a 2yr deal, ugh) to be okay with all them getting whacked and replaced internally in a Godfather like final sequence. Add Cervelli and Nuno to that mix too. I think whatever we replaced that bunch with would not do worse.

    I would keep Ichiro. He has value as a bench player. The rest though can go.
    ———————–

    I think part of the problem Girardi is having is that the guys he would have to bench/cut aren’t just players, they’re players who were also his contemporaries. Girardi the player hung out with guys like Soriano, Roberts, Ichiro…and maybe that’s playing into it?

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for the miL updates, always appreciated.

    You told us that the Yankees view Zoilo as a 4th OF; I wonder how they view Roller? He’s 26 years old, didn’t show any real pull power in Trenton, just away and left of center.

    Have they tinkered with his swing to make him a YS threat? What’s the organization’s view of him? Haven’t gotten to see him since he went up to SWB.

    Also – re 3B futures – Miguel Andujar?

  11. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I didn’t mind the Wells pick up – the Yankees gave a really long look to Melky Mesa in spring training and as the minor leaguers started getting re-assigned to their camps he couldn’t produce against the guys who were left. Zoilo hadn’t ever played above AA and so expecting him to break camp with the club was a bit of a stretch too. I figured Wells would, at the very worst, be someone who could catch the ball in LF while one of those guys got some reps in the minors or until Granderson came back.

    Of course Granderson ended up getting hurt again, as did Almonte when he got called up and Melky Mesa turned out to be Wily Mo Pena without the ability to hit massive home runs.

  12. Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Girardi doesn’t actually have a ‘feel’ for running the pen. What he has is a system in place that simulates feel. I think game sense and gut feeling and stuff is generally overrated, but Girardi definitely goes by the book nearly 100% of the time so I find it to be a legit criticism nowadays more than I thought when he first came to the Yankees.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Nice post, Hank.

  14. bigdan22 June 16th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Very nice write-up from Chad. Very complete.

    –Outside of Refsynder, the guys that are really jumping out at you here are Severino and Judge. Both will be in Tampa soon and should have adequate time to show us if they are ripe for further promotion next year. Not good to get too excited about any prospect succeeding below AA, but these two are certainly ones to watch. I could see both getting on a top 100 list in the offseason which I never think is a particularly good thing.

    –It really looks like O’Brien’s advance has stopped for now. He’s moved pretty quickly the last couple of years. Some improvement in SO/BB ratio is the key indicator here. Making way too many outs now.

    –Lots of guys having poor Junes. I pointed that out last week. Love to see Bird and Bichette pick it up. Cave too. Need to get Ford, Jagielo and Flores back in their respective lineups.

    –Keep an eye on Dugas. In almost 1000 minor league PAs, he has an OBP of over .420. I wonder how many players currently in the minor leagues you could say that about. I expect him to be promoted if he keeps this up later this year.

    –Who is this de Oleo guy? All he does is hit homers. Would love to know what kind of catching skills he has.

    –Sanchez. What can you say?

  15. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    JAP –

    My guess is that they probably regard Roller the same way they regarded Luke Murton – which is to say they’re discounting his performance for no reason whatsoever.

  16. bigdan22 June 16th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    I don’t know much about Andujar, but he’s made like a billion errors this year.

  17. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    The Yankees have a pattern…they’re really excited about their position player prospects until they get to AAA – then they have absolutely no interest in seeing them progress.

  18. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    What’s the big deal, even someone here referred to Wells as an equal to Adonis :lol: :lol:

    Ooooops……

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Nuno needs to go.

    He’s ghastly against LHP, especially at YSIII -where they barely let him face any.

    The “we’ll have to replace him with a lefty” comments are entirely misplaced, IMO.

    We have to replace him with someone who has a clue against LHB; Betances has deliriously good numbers against LHB, especially at home. SSS yes, but if you look at all the numbers, you’ll see there is little give anywhere. Warren’s numbers are good, but his ancillary numbers suggest to me that over the course of a game, the numbers will rise.

    With Pineda down for the count, make Dellin a starter and get an arm from SWB or start getting Jo-Ram lots of work.

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    What’s the big deal, even someone here referred to Wells as an equal to Adonis :lol: :lol:

    Ooooops……
    ///

    Yes, the mediocre/washed up player is misunderstood tyranny. Glad that’s been suspended, at least

  21. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    The passing of Tony Gwynn in his early fifties is so tragic and sad. In my opinion, he is arguably one of the two or three greatest pure hitters in baseball history. What he was able to do, not only in the batters box, but in all phases of the game was extraordinary. And, he was a great guy and a gentleman. This really floored me.

  22. Mordot11 June 16th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Very sad about Tony Gwynn.

    Also, let the devaluation of Gary Sanchez begin.

  23. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Not only did Gywnn have a lifetime batting average of .338 in a twenty year career, but get this. He only struck out 434 times. That’s an average of 21 strike outs per season! Crazy good.

  24. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    One more crazy stat. Gwynn had 107 plate appearances against Greg Maddux, second most in his career. Number of times Maddux struck Gwynn out? Zero!

  25. yankinvegas June 16th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    One thing that I really wonder about, with Alex, CC and Tex taking up almost 65 million in 2015 and 2016, is Hal willing to go to the 230 level that will needed to keep this team a contender?
    If not he should take the 3 or 4 billion and go away.
    The 189 folly has caused the sleepfest of 2013 and this year. The team is boring. But then again, so is all of MLB. Bring back steroids and kick Bud out the door.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Mordot11 June 16th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Very sad about Tony Gwynn.

    Also, let the devaluation of Gary Sanchez begin.
    ///

    Yep. It’s one thing for them to have to explain his absence in the lineup.

    But they really seem to pile it on in these situations. It’d be one thing if they are trying to get him to respond – I hope that’s what this is. But you’re right – put yourself at a disadvantage in devaluing your own high-end prospect. I don’t want to see him moved at all – too much power and batspeed and certainly negotiable skills to stick behind the plate; but they just undercut their ability to do so effectively if they’re of that mind.

  27. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    No one disagrees that it would be wonderful to replace Nuno – the question is with whom? They don’t have any other starters available unless the stretch out Warren. With Kelley back on the roster, Betances owning the late innings and now Ramirez up (and Bell in the minors) I wouldn’t mind them sending Warren to Scranton for a couple of starts.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    keep this team a contender?
    ///

    You mean, make this team a contender, right?

  29. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Guys, in fairness to Cashman, he did try to talk Chipper Jones out of retirement before acquiring Vernon Wells…. *bahahahahahaha*

  30. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    I mean it wouldn’t be my first choice but if they decided to stretch out Warren and insert him into the rotation I’d be for it.

    Looks like they are sticking with Nuno but I’d be up to try something else.

    My question is if they dont feel that they have someone better than Nuno to start than what would happen if there was another injury to the rotation, who would be inserted in?

    Whoever that guy is, should be the guy taking Nuno’s spot.

  31. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “You mean, make this team a contender, right?”

    We’re only one game out of the wild card in June. We’re a contender.

  32. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    You mean, make this team a contender, right?

    ————-

    Thing is, the AL is the weakest it’s ever been… the Jays and O’s have potential to run away with things, but they just haven’t. The only team totally out of it IMO is the Rays.

    This makes me frustrated but gives me at least some limited hope all at once. Are they real contenders? No, not at all. They’re not remotely close to being as good as the very top tier teams in the league. But there are only like 3 or 4 of those.

  33. 86w183 June 16th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    “You mean, make this team a contender, right?”

    We’re only one game out of the wild card in June. We’re a contender.

    **************************************************************

    Now don’t start messing with their mindset by injecting facts into the conversation!

  34. ScottinSJ June 16th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    Chad has produced an excellent analysis of top minor leaguers. What’s sad, but not surprising, is how weak the pitching is down on the farm. Simply the fact that there is absolutely no one available to replace the awful Nuno in the rotation speaks volumes.

    Unknown — I hear you and feel your pain. They are only sticking with Nuno because there is no one else. This situation encapsulates everything that is lacking with this organization.

  35. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    I don’t see what they’re doing to Sanchez as “piling on.” He was benched for disciplinary reasons – Franklin left it at that. Had he detailed what those reasons were that would have been piling on.

    He’s what 21? Guy that age needs discipline. I would rather see him take this as a learning experience than go around thinking he can do whatever he wants (like Manny Ramirez)

  36. Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    We have to replace him with someone who has a clue against LHB; Betances has deliriously good numbers against LHB, especially at home. SSS yes, but if you look at all the numbers, you’ll see there is little give anywhere.

    Alfred, I believe that Cashman depended on excellent pitching for his concept of a team that plays small ball but the injuries ruined his plan. When a good general sees that his attack plan isn’t working, he devises a new solution before the battle is lost. Reinforce the weakest link, Nuno, with a force of speed and strength, Betances, before the lines collapse. It is the cheapest and simplest solution on the battlefield.

  37. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “You mean, make this team a contender, right?”

    We’re only one game out of the wild card in June. We’re a contender.
    ———————–

    Very true – I think the issue though is that they haven’t been playing like one and can’t rely on staying in this thing with so many major weak spots.

  38. mick June 16th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    The “if they stay healthy” argument doesn’t really fly with me because the front office chose to construct the roster with a lot of high risk ballplayers.
    ===================================
    Who is hurt now other than Tex and Beltran?

    Tex played yesterday and was acquired long ago so he does not qualify as a high risk player unless you count possible steroid use as a risk factor.

    Beltran? I would agree, should have gotten Choo. Maybe if he weren’t senile he wouldn’t have run into that wall or at least seen it 1st…

  39. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    Hank -

    It’s not all that simple though. Betances wasn’t moved to the pen because the Yankees were bored or didn’t have enough rotation spots for him. He was moved to the pen because he was unable to maintain his mechanics over a long stretch during a game.

    The team has no way of knowing whether that will have improved in the year since he last started a game.

    Warren, on the other hand, was a starter as recently as Spring Training and his conversion to relief was made because of a lack of rotation spots. If the Yankees were going to make a mid season change from a reliever to a starter, the simplest solution is actually him and not Betances.

  40. 86w183 June 16th, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    gotta run for now…. probably back in the morning

    have a day all

  41. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    I think (with no evidence to back this up) that the promotion of Jose Ramirez was done to give the Yankees back end of the rotation options if they opt to move Warren back into a starting role. If Ramirez is half the reliever that scouts believe he will be – and Kelley shakes the rust off – then they have the luxury with Betances and Robertson of moving Warren back into the rotation.

  42. blake June 16th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Gwynn was one of my favorite hitters to watch…..he reminded me of some of these older guys that play softball that could just literally hit the ball wherever they wanted …..only Gwynn could do it with 95 mph big league pitching.
    It’s very sad….he had another career as a coach going……don’t chew or smoke tobacco kids.

  43. Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    He was moved to the pen because he was unable to maintain his mechanics over a long stretch during a game.

    -

    He was moved to the pen because he was out of options.

  44. blake June 16th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Can’t wait to see what judge does against better competion……he’s by far their most intriguing prospect now IMO

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Sure, no one disagrees now that his LD rates, et al finally caught up with him on the road.

  46. NYY_Girl_Penny June 16th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    The NYY org should be pounding the phones trying to make trades for some offense until the other teams stop taking their calls or scream at them to stop calling.. (and then still call some more) but like this team, they are too feather-footed in everything they do!

  47. NYY_Girl_Penny June 16th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    I’m an offense first type of fan. It’s what makes the game fun for me and when we haven’t had offense with this team, or very little these last 4 seasons it’s been very boring.

    We never replaced the production we got from Matsui,Damon,Posada,Cano and of course Arod .. They tried to bring some offense this year with very risky contracts and it stung them. Beltran, I kinda understood the move, McCann I had zero faith in, and no I am not saying that because of where he is at now, it seems I was the only one who looked at his stats the last few years and the fact that he had shoulder surgery as a major negative.. the Jacoby contract at the time was insane, but I I don’t play “Mr. Accountant” with the payroll like some here do.. they have billions, so if they have to overpay for a true productive player, i dont care. When they do stupid things like the Arod contract, it’s more the stupidity that bothers me than it is the actual money spent.

    With the team they put together, if you put all your eggs in the basket I can see why they passed on Cano.. but since I never believed the offense was going to be much better, and I absolutely, unequivocally do not think Cano is worth 200M let alone 250M, I’m not sure how they could’ve passed on him. It’s another notch in the “we are so clueless” ownership and it shows they have no idea what they are doing.

    it makes no sense, the same group who for 3 years were pinching pennies, decide to invest in players who are so high risk and overpriced, they signed them with both hands fingers crossed!

  48. JimK June 16th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    The Y’s are contenders in name only since it has been their good fortune to play in the 500 Club AKA, the AL.
    Moreover, the Y’s illusory contender status can quickly fade if several members of the 500 Club beginning winning games at a clip that will strip them of their 500 Club membership status.
    However, on the bright side every team has played over 1/3 of their schedule and if Y’s critics wish to point out that the Y’s have had enough time to demonstrate the type of team they are, that same logic applies to every current member of the 500 Club.
    The next 15 games are critical as they are all against AL East opponents, and more important is 12 of the 15 games are at YS, where the Y’s have not fared very well this year. I would say a bright spot is they are facing the RS and the Rays in 7 of the 15 games, but the Y’s are the only team that has made the Rays look good this year.

  49. Brian June 16th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    He was moved to the pen because he was out of options.

    —————

    They THOUGHT he was out of options.

  50. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Chip June 16th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
    SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “You mean, make this team a contender, right?”
    We’re only one game out of the wild card in June. We’re a contender.
    ———————–
    Very true – I think the issue though is that they haven’t been playing like one and can’t rely on staying in this thing with so many major weak spots.
    ____________

    No doubt, but it’s only June 16th and there are all sorts of ways this team can improve; trades, promotions, players coming out of slumps and returning from the DL, other teams slumping and dealing with injuries, etc. It’s kind of ridiculous in my opinion when you’re only one game out of the wild card to embrace hysteria and that’s not hyperbole given some of what’s posted here.

  51. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    blake June 16th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
    Gwynn was one of my favorite hitters to watch…..he reminded me of some of these older guys that play softball that could just literally hit the ball wherever they wanted …..only Gwynn could do it with 95 mph big league pitching.
    It’s very sad….he had another career as a coach going……don’t chew or smoke tobacco kids.
    ____________

    Absolutely. IMO Gwynn and Ted Williams were the best pure hitters in baseball history.

  52. JimK June 16th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Shame, based on the current record I see only one top tier in the league and that is Oakland; after Oakland the only team 10 games over .500 are the Jays, and after their torrid run they fell back to earth rather quickly.
    The only other team that may be considered a top tier team is the Angels only because I believe they have the best record in the AL since April 23.

  53. Tackelberry June 16th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    NYY_Girl_Penny June 16th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    The NYY org should be pounding the phones trying to make trades for some offense until the other teams stop taking their calls or scream at them to stop calling.. (and then still call some more) but like this team, they are too feather-footed in everything they do!

    ___________________________

    How do you know they aren’t doing that? Unfortunately it takes two to tango

  54. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    How do you know they aren’t doing that? Unfortunately it takes two to tango
    =============
    Some think the NYY’s are capable of making trades happen out of thin air.
    Grabbing a David Justice as a rite of passage. A given.
    Pickens are slim.

  55. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    “How do you know they aren’t doing that? Unfortunately it takes two to tango.”

    Of course Cashman is doing that. Every GM in baseball has staffs that crunch stats and keep data on all ballplayers that meet certain criteria and needs. Cashman has said repeatedly that he talks to many GM’s all the time; bith proactively and fielding calls he gets. Making a deal work is the hard part as one side often wants too much and then ownership has to sign off on it.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Alfred, I believe that Cashman depended on excellent pitching for his concept of a team that plays small ball but the injuries ruined his plan. When a good general sees that his attack plan isn’t working, he devises a new solution before the battle is lost. Reinforce the weakest link, Nuno, with a force of speed and strength, Betances, before the lines collapse. It is the cheapest and simplest solution on the battlefield.
    ///

    Hank, Nuno was basically tolerated on this site, and even talked up to something he is not, despite the numbers that tell you this guy is awful.

    .494 wOBA by LHB against him at YSIII; 8.88 FIP. (.375/.483/.696.)
    LD percentage vs. LHP overall: 38.9. If that doesn’t put your hair on fire as a fan, nothing will. It seems, around here, let’s just leave it as it is, even if it’s ugly because lord almightly we just CAN’T risk Betances hitting a batter or walking a couple of guys. (Meanwhile, Nuno walking 5.25/9 vs. LHB overall).

    Some of us are suggesting he be replaced by a guy who is clear at the opposite end of the spectrum vs. LHB – he’s dominant against them.

    Betances’ numbers vs. lefties read like he’s a LH Ace who same-handed batters have no chance against. His curveball that drops down and in is not only unhittable, they can’t help but swing at it; they can’t even remain standing, in some cases.

    This isn’t new – Betances altered his mechanics to help throw his KC for strikes, but he had been, as a starter, making LHB batters fall down since at least 2010 trying to do cope with that pitch. When he adds his changeup – which I think he actually used for a K to get a punchout (that game his FB command was just not there) against a LHB recently – it will be goodnight Irene very often vs. lefties.

    All we are saying/Is give Deal a chance

    If he can’t hack it, back to the BP he goes; but honestly, with Nuno as his competition, he really can’t fail. Warren, I don’t think will fare well over multiple innings for reasons I have stated here many times. His numbers are good, but I just don’t think they hold up, and therefore, I don’t see the purpose of converting a guy who won’t offer a big payoff.

    He’d be an improvement over Nuno, but I’d much rather roll the dice and give it to a guy who has Ace potential.

  57. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    mick June 16th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Tex played yesterday and was acquired long ago so he does not qualify as a high risk player unless you count possible steroid use as a risk factor.

    ——

    So you don’t think having a capable backup 1B/corner infielder was a “boo-boo” given the fact that A-Rod wasn’t going to play this season and Teixeira was coming off a serious injury?

    This isn’t hindsight. People were screaming all winter and ST that they needed capable infield depth given all the high risk they had from their starting infield.

  58. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Pickens are slim.
    =============
    In fact, I believe Cashman’s next pick might be a 1B by the name of Slim Pickens.

  59. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    So you don’t think NOT having a capable backup 1B/cormer infielder….

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I would call the Yanks really, really smart if they had brought Jo-Ram here not so they could convert Warren, but Betances.

  61. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Would Mark Reynolds have sufficed?
    I would have kept him.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    This isn’t hindsight. People were screaming all winter and ST that they needed capable infield depth given all the high risk they had from their starting infield.
    ///

    He either doesn’t bother to read the site, can’t follow an argument (in the classical sense), or is just intellectually dishonest.

    I vote for No. 3

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Reynolds STINKS

  64. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    He’s better than what they have now.

  65. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    ‘Fell back to earth’ might be a bit harsh.. I do wanna see them play better competition, but it could just be a lull/slump thing happening. It’s bound to happen to every team, but the Jays so far have been relatively consistent. I also think SF and the Brewers are good ballclubs. And I think, ultimately, DET will show it’s a better team than they have been as of late.

    The bottom line though is that the Yankees could make minor improvements and be a really competitive team instead of a team hovering at .500.

  66. JacobyEllsburriesIt June 16th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Reynolds STINKS
    =============

    So does Chase Headley and you guys want to sell the farm for 3 months of him.

    Reynolds would have cost Kelly Johnson money.

  67. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    This isn’t hindsight.
    =============
    I don’t know why you keep bringing this up.
    I never use that word.
    It’s not the issue.

  68. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    “People were screaming all winter and ST that they needed capable infield depth given all the high risk they had from their starting infield.”
    —————–
    Sure in an ideal world. But these are fans on a blog who can say whatever they want with no regard to the realities faced by a real GM in major league baseball. Like, who was available, what the cost would have been in salary and draft picks, roster space, evaluations both on and off the field, etc. Easier said then done.

  69. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    He was moved to the pen because he was unable to maintain his mechanics over a long stretch during a game.

    -

    He was moved to the pen because he was out of options.
    ————————-

    And because the Yankees couldn’t wait for him to figure out his mechanics any more. I don’t think trying to get him to do it on the fly with the pressure of being a white knight riding to the rescue is a great idea. If the Yankees want to see if he can repeat his delivery during spring training, god bless. But if you’re talking about needing to get a starter up here in a hurry to replace Nuno, Warren is the better choice.

  70. Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Warren, on the other hand, was a starter as recently as Spring Training and his conversion to relief was made because of a lack of rotation spots. If the Yankees were going to make a mid season change from a reliever to a starter, the simplest solution is actually him and not Betances.

    Chip, if it has to Warren fine, but something has to be done. I am looking for dominance with someone like Betances to join Tanaka in a maybe Koufax and Drysdale or Spahn and Sain mode of operation. Warren may not fit the bill as Betances being able to keep the opposition in check. Even though I do not agree with the powering down of the Yankees, I understand what is intention was of pitching, speed and defense.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    JimK June 16th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    The Y’s are contenders in name only since it has been their good fortune to play in the 500 Club AKA, the AL.
    Moreover, the Y’s illusory contender status can quickly fade if several members of the 500 Club beginning winning games at a clip that will strip them of their 500 Club membership status.
    However, on the bright side every team has played over 1/3 of their schedule and if Y’s critics wish to point out that the Y’s have had enough time to demonstrate the type of team they are, that same logic applies to every current member of the 500 Club.
    ///

    I agree with all of this.

    My response though is that in order to give yourself an edge, you need to put a front-end type arm in the rotation to twin with Tanaka and really give yourself another chance to win the days he pitches.

    Warren is not going to be that guy, and even if he’s decent, he’s not going to be that guy in a postseason game.

    Your best chance is in your BP, because it means you don’t have to trade chips like Sanchez and Betances for SP – instead, you can just change Betances’ role. How long would it take to stretch him out? He can do the piggy-back routine until he’s built up enough to go it alone.

    And I think they have enough for the BP to not be impacted too much. Even if it is impacted, Betances is a luxury out of the pen on a team that doesn’t have redemptive offense and doesn’t get the ball to the bullpen often enough with a lead.

  72. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    @PeterBotte “It is high…It is far…It…is…Ghana! No, wait, it was wide. I thought it was in.” #SterlingWorldCup

    :lol:

  73. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    This isn’t hindsight. People were screaming all winter and ST that they needed capable infield depth given all the high risk they had from their starting infield.
    ///

    He either doesn’t bother to read the site, can’t follow an argument (in the classical sense), or is just intellectually dishonest.

    I vote for No. 3
    ———————-

    I think the thought was that Kelly Johnson would be better defensively than Mark Reynolds and better suited to Yankee Stadium than Reynolds was.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Warren, on the other hand, was a starter as recently as Spring Training and his conversion to relief was made because of a lack of rotation spots. If the Yankees were going to make a mid season change from a reliever to a starter, the simplest solution is actually him and not Betances.
    ///

    It is, but you’re foregoing a chance to add a truly dominant starter by doing so.

  75. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I would call the Yanks really, really smart if they had brought Jo-Ram here not so they could convert Warren, but Betances.
    ————————

    Wait, you want Betances to start? This is new.

    Seriously though – I get the sentiment, but if you’re talking about what’s the smart in-season move it’s Warren.

    1. He was a starter more recently than Betances
    2. We’re only guessing that Betances’s mechanics would hold up over a full start. Warren we know will.
    3. If Betances didn’t work out as a starter then you’re ultimately still going to have to stretch out Warren so now you’ve wasted time that the team doesn’t have.

    Experimenting with Betances as a starter should be done. It just should be done in Spring Training.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    We haven’t been a “contender” since 2011, and even that is stretching things, since Alex wasn’t Alex in 2011.

    Hyperbole is calling this team a “contender.”

    You have to add “for a WC spot.”

    Contender implies that you’re in a select group. Other than our BP, we don’t measure up.

  77. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Warren, on the other hand, was a starter as recently as Spring Training and his conversion to relief was made because of a lack of rotation spots. If the Yankees were going to make a mid season change from a reliever to a starter, the simplest solution is actually him and not Betances.
    ///

    It is, but you’re foregoing a chance to add a truly dominant starter by doing so.
    ———————-

    No I’m not. I’m saying that in season is not the time to experiment with a guy in hopes that he can do something like start and be dominant with new mechanics.

    As I said above, I’m sold, they should look at Betances as a starter, but not during the season. Do it in Spring Training when games don’t matter and you don’t lose anything if you’re wrong.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Chip,

    It’s only smart if you think he’s more than an adequate back-end arm.

    I don’t; I think he’ll be exposed over the course of a start.

  79. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    This sounds live the Joba debate all over again.
    Stop baiting people…

  80. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Chip,

    It’s only smart if you think he’s more than an adequate back-end arm.

    I don’t; I think he’ll be exposed over the course of a start.
    ———————-

    I think he’s fine as a back-end arm and I just need him to be better than Vidal Nuno.

    So much of what Betances has going on right now is having his head in the right place. I’m not screwing with that during the season by asking him to change roles in a hurry to come up and rescue the season.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    I don’t buy it, either that Betances’ mechanics won’t hold up enough for him to throw six innings of dominant ball.

    Am I guessing? I’m saying it’s a calculated risk on my part, with the payoff being as enormous as he is.

    I’d say it’s much more of a guarantee that Warren will be mediocre. Better than Nuno – sure. But I only do that if I don’t have Betances to become a difference maker. I have to try it.

  82. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    “People were screaming all winter and ST that they needed capable infield depth given all the high risk they had from their starting infield.”
    —————–
    Sure in an ideal world. But these are fans on a blog who can say whatever they want with no regard to the realities faced by a real GM in major league baseball. Like, who was available, what the cost would have been in salary and draft picks, roster space, evaluations both on and off the field, etc. Easier said then done.

    —–

    Ideal world?

    It didn’t take a genius to figure out that you’d better have some depth if you are going to roll the dice and depend on Teixiera and Jeter to carry the entire infield.

    It was a disaster waiting to happen from the get-go and they’ve been incredibly lucky to get the production out of Solarte that nobody could have seen coming.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    I think he’s fine as a back-end arm and I just need him to be better than Vidal Nuno.

    So much of what Betances has going on right now is having his head in the right place. I’m not screwing with that during the season by asking him to change roles in a hurry to come up and rescue the season.
    ///

    He’s done it before, with success. A “fine back-end arm” isn’t going to advance the Yankees’ cause.

    One true front-end arm isn’t enough to make a playoff push. If you don’t care about that, well then, I guess you can have your Adam Warren.

    Cosmetic solutions are the fashion around here, these days.

  84. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    Like I’ve been saying, the smart move right now is to let Dellin get his confidence and innings in relief, then send him home knowing that when he reports in February it’s going to be to compete for a rotation spot.

    You see, over the course of spring training, what happens when he throws 4 or 5 innings to his mechanics. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work. You’ve tried and haven’t lost a single game that matters as a result, nor have you weakened your team on the field or forced him to audition in front of a full Yankee Stadium. You move him back to the pen and hope he doesn’t go all Daniel Bard on you.

  85. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    It didn’t take a genius to figure out that you’d better have some depth if you are going to roll the dice and depend on Teixiera and Jeter to carry the entire infield.
    ======
    once again you are avoiding the question.
    who is hurt?
    Beltran?
    Tex doesn’t count , he arrived 5 years ago and has not been an injury problem till last tear.
    they should have gotten someone better than johnson, but they are cheap.

  86. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    I think he’s fine as a back-end arm and I just need him to be better than Vidal Nuno.

    So much of what Betances has going on right now is having his head in the right place. I’m not screwing with that during the season by asking him to change roles in a hurry to come up and rescue the season.
    ///

    He’s done it before, with success.
    ———————

    Not above AA.

  87. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Instead of trying to develop Whitley and Phelps, forget Nuno, let’s do Joba 2 and insert Betances.
    Forget CC and Pineda too..

  88. Chip June 16th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    later folks.

  89. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    It didn’t take a genius to figure out that you’d better have some depth if you are going to roll the dice and depend on Teixiera and Jeter to carry the entire infield. It was a disaster waiting to happen from the get-go and they’ve been incredibly lucky to get the production out of Solarte that nobody could have seen coming.
    ______________

    The disaster hasn’t happened has it? I also wasn’t aware Jeter and Teixeira the only infielders on this team. The Solarte was luck contention is interesting as well. He appeared on the roster by accident? Oh that’s right! It must be luck because otherwise one would have to believe that Cashman and the Yankees baseball people saw something and knew what they were doing. And that is verboten here.

  90. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    ======
    once again you are avoiding the question.
    who is hurt?
    Beltran?
    Tex doesn’t count , he arrived 5 years ago and has not been an injury problem till last tear.
    they should have gotten someone better than johnson, but they are cheap.

    —-

    Of course Teixeira counts.

    The Yanks didn’t know during the offseason that he was out most of 2013 with a serious wrist injury?

    And again, they also knew A-Rod wasn’t going to play this season.

    So how could they not know that having a capable backup corner infielder would be a necessity with such risk?

  91. mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    So how could they not know that having a capable backup corner infielder would be a necessity with such risk?
    ===============
    Like I said, I would have kept Reynolds, fits your description to the T.

  92. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    @PeteAbe MLB has suspended #RedSox AA LHP Miguel Pena 100 games for a third positive test for a drug of abuse.

    ————-

    Three positive tests and still less time than Arod. :lol:

  93. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Whatever you say, WCYF.

    Obviously, spending $200M+ on a team hovering around .500 most of the season proves Hal and Cashman are making all the right moves.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    As I said above, I’m sold, they should look at Betances as a starter, but not during the season. Do it in Spring Training when games don’t matter and you don’t lose anything if you’re wrong.
    ///

    This would satisfy me, but I doubt they will even do that. But aside from what the Yankees would actually do, the reason to do it now is because there is a need.

    Pineda is gone, CC gone, Nova gone.

    If you have to play a one-off you’re going to have to use Tanaka. You win that game – what then?

  95. JacobyEllsburriesIt June 16th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    @PeteAbe MLB has suspended #RedSox AA LHP Miguel Pena 100 games for a third positive test for a drug of abuse.

    ————-

    Three positive tests and still less time than Arod. :lol:
    ========

    #RedSawxNation

  96. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    I guess performance enhancing matters… I wanna see the receipts.

  97. SweetSpot June 16th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Another one with the disruptive personal nonsense.

  98. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Timely!

    ?@NYDNSports Are @Yankees contenders of pretenders? 15-game stretch against AL East will tell a lot about Bombers. http://nydn.us/1juF63h

    The next two weeks will be enlightening…

  99. luis June 16th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Sorry for the belated response but I was very busy…

    Hank, Shame and JF,

    Thank you for explaining my position very well.

    Chip,

    I won’t answer since those guys I mention above this did it for me… I would only add that the blueprint that Cashman designed was heavily pitching reliant..Once the injuries to Pineda and Nova happened we got hit real bad..The offense can’t make up for that..As for Ells, I still think he is extremely overpaid for what he is..

    Primo!!!

    The link you supplied doesn’t lead me to the article you wanted me to read..If you could put it again maybe I’ll be able to read it..Although I kind of know what the article is all about ;)

  100. mick June 16th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    GF-

    I hate to say it but I agree with you.
    This is a poorly constructed roster full of old men.
    Being constantly reminded is depressing and solves nothing .
    New ownership would be welcome but there’s no guarantee they will be any better.
    Unfortunate common sense in the FO is not a given. Wish it was.
    I don’t think you lived thru the 1st and 2nd disaster phase, where we had no control over their moves as we don’t now, as well..
    Hopefully we don’t have to live thru that again as I thought those days were over but if it happens again, coming here would be the last resort to be constantly reminded how bad we are.
    My advice would be to send your ideas directly to the Yankees to see what they think.

  101. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    Shame Spencer June 16th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
    Timely!

    ?@NYDNSports Are @Yankees contenders of pretenders? 15-game stretch against AL East will tell a lot about Bombers. http://nydn.us/1juF63h

    The next two weeks will be enlightening…

    =======================

    Pretenders in a very weak division..Which gives them a chance…But even if they make it to the PS, they don’t stand a chance against teams like the Tigers or Oakland

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    mick June 16th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Instead of trying to develop Whitley and Phelps, forget Nuno, let’s do Joba 2 and insert Betances.
    Forget CC and Pineda too..
    ///

    Count much?

    How is inserting Betances not “developing” Whitley and Phelps?

    CC and Pineda?

    You mean, those two guys who are going to be displaced from the rotation they’re currently pitching in??

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Primo!!!

    The link you supplied doesn’t lead me to the article you wanted me to read..If you could put it again maybe I’ll be able to read it..Although I kind of know what the article is all about ;)
    ///

    Primo!!! :D

    I left you a Father’s Day greeting yesterday, don’t know if you saw it.

    Man, it’s great to see you, amigo! I see you’ve been enjoying the Motherland ;). Fantastic – I hope the trip did you well. You deserve some R n’ R.

    Sorry about the link, let me see if I can find it again; Tar is diligent, and has posted it a few times, I believe :D

    Great to have you back!

  104. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Good post mick…

  105. Jerkface June 16th, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    The Yankees are a contender every day that Tanaka pitches and a pretender every other day. Cashman and Co can fix this by making some trades and doing some inhouse cleaning and promoting.

  106. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Primo!!! :D

    I left you a Father’s Day greeting yesterday, don’t know if you saw it.

    Man, it’s great to see you, amigo! I see you’ve been enjoying the Motherland ;) . Fantastic – I hope the trip did you well. You deserve some R n’ R.

    Sorry about the link, let me see if I can find it again; Tar is diligent, and has posted it a few times, I believe :D

    Great to have you back!

    ===================

    It’s good to be back!…Although I only spent 5 days in the motherland with the wife and kids… Had to go through 9 countries in 11 days…Not very fun..But Italy was amazing as usual ;)

  107. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Oh!! I didn’t see the Father’s day greeting, but thank you anyway ;)

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Primo,

    Hope this works, and yes, you already know the gist, but it’s a good read, nonetheless (shout out to Tar for finding this):

    http://www.mercurynews.com/spo.....i_11810653

  109. GregD June 16th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    the Yankees have more problems than they can resolve….they need an influx of young talent and their minor league system is falling short, they can’t trade their way out of this and signing every free agent available hasn’t worked in the past……It seems to me that we are in for several down years………. Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, Tyler Austin, Gary Sanchez, Pete O’Brien, Rob Refsnyder, Ramon Flores, Aaron Judge, Dante Bichette……anybody???????????

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    It’s good to be back!…Although I only spent 5 days in the motherland with the wife and kids… Had to go through 9 countries in 11 days…Not very fun..But Italy was amazing as usual ;)
    ///

    Sounds fantastic. So glad you got to be with the fam in a carefree way.

    I’m on my way out soon, speaking of fam, to fetch the wife.

    I will later post a link you might like to see: Dellin before the delivery tweak and Dellin after. If anyone will appreciate it, it’s you.

  111. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Thanks primo..Good read in deed..I hope we are not the Expos in this new chapter…He is that good

  112. luis June 16th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    I am out too..Have a good one..later all

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock June 16th, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Final thought: I’m not willing to just kiss off Derek’s last season.

    Wasn’t willing to do it with Mo’s either, but Dad’s kiddies didn’t think it was any big sweat, and probably couldn’t care less about sending DJ out properly.

    I wish some would stop trying to stump for these fat cats and put pressure on them to do the right thing.

    Tanaka was the right thing, but we might as well put him in a glass case, because he needs some help.

    Later.

  114. MTU June 16th, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    Giants have signed Cuban OF’er Daniel Carbonell.

    7 mil total over 4 yrs.

    MLBTR

  115. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    mick June 16th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    GF-

    I hate to say it but I agree with you.
    This is a poorly constructed roster full of old men.
    Being constantly reminded is depressing and solves nothing .
    New ownership would be welcome but there’s no guarantee they will be any better.
    Unfortunate common sense in the FO is not a given. Wish it was.
    I don’t think you lived thru the 1st and 2nd disaster phase, where we had no control over their moves as we don’t now, as well..
    Hopefully we don’t have to live thru that again as I thought those days were over but if it happens again, coming here would be the last resort to be constantly reminded how bad we are.
    My advice would be to send your ideas directly to the Yankees to see what they think.
    ——

    Well, here’s a first.

    I wasn’t born until ’74 so I didn’t have to live through the pre-Steinbrenner era. But I do remember the 80s and early 90s all too well.

    I hope we never have to see that again but new blood is needed.

  116. JimK June 16th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    The Betances debate is the Joba debate all over again, except when Joba came up, he was a SP, which is not the case with Betances. Is it possible Betances could be a top end SP, I would guess it is possible, but at this point in time there is no evidence to support this position.
    As a one IP Betances has been phenomenal; I do not believe he has surrendered any runs when he pitches one inning of less. However he does give up runs when he pitches more than one inning, and although I believe he has only allowed 7 runs in 31 innings, which works out to an ERA a shade over 2, but I still find it telling that he has an ERA of 0.00, when he pitches one inning, but it jumps to over 2 when he pitches more than inning.
    Warren on the other hand has surrendered 2 runs in every appearance where he pitched more than one inning; 2 runs in 20 innings, for an ERA a shade under 1, but he has not fared as well when he pitched one inning.
    (note: I counted an appearance of 1IP, as if each pitcher started and finished an inning, which may not be the case.

  117. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    Weiters is done for 2014

    That helps.

  118. Hankflorida June 16th, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Alfred, allowing Betances to start next year does not bode well for this year unless the offense can produce like Murders Row and Cano. In those days CC was dealing and we did have some good arms but also were not fortunate if Vasquez, Burnett and Garcia were factored into the equation. Our offense scoring over 850 runs in the power years negated a great deal of pitching mediocrity. Simply stated and based on the uncertainty factor, Nuno, Phelps and Whitley and a small ball team does not make for an a team that plays in the October. Betances may not be the answer but not experimenting may doom our chances for this year. Think small ball and Koufax and Drysdale!

  119. G. Love June 16th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    No team won more games in the 80′s than the Yankees, I believe. If the wild card was in place during the 80′s, the Yankees would’ve made the playoffs regularly. There were only 2 divisions then – AL East & AL West and only 1 team from each division made the post season.

    Not saying they would’ve won world titles, but they would’ve been a playoff mainstay during the Mattingly/Winfield/Henderson/Randolph years under the current format.

  120. austinmac June 16th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    RAB has a post about Solarte. .208 BA and .591 OPS. This, my friends, is more than a slump. This is the reality of a 26 year old journeyman minor leaguer. Miracles happen so rarely with such players. Soon, I predict, we will be seeing daily playing by Roberts and Johnson. I know I’m excited.

  121. tomingeorgia June 16th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    I’m done here for a while. Too many all-seeing, all-knowing, one-topic, back-patting posts. Mr. mick, hang in there, RIB, catch some fish, luis, I’m glad you’re in one piece, SweetSpot, keep it up, JimK,keep up the good posts, blake, keep on smoking!

  122. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    USA has to play on turf. Whats up with that.

  123. Unnamed June 16th, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    RIP Tony Gwynn. When will we find a cure for that terrible disease C____R? It turns out there is a block on the word C____R. Why?

  124. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    WOW USA USA USA

  125. UnKnown June 16th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Totally not turf. Ha. Looks awesome

  126. mick June 16th, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Mr Tom,
    You will be back soon I am sure….have a happy hiatus, we all need one once in a while.

  127. Unnamed June 16th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    US looked terrible, unable to sustain possession or make the simplest of passes. But they did a great job of parking the bus defensively and were only beaten by a phenomenal play by Ghana. They capitalized offensively on their only chances of the match. Sometimes, that’s what happens. Portugal has a non fit Ronaldo and without him at his best, they can lose to the US or at the least drop points.

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