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CC hoping “spring training” ends early

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CC Sabathia could be at least six weeks away from returning after throwing his first bullpen session Monday. Joe Girardi indicated Tuesday it was fair to compare this to the start of spring training for him. But Sabathia is hoping to return sooner than later. His problematic right knee has been cooperating.

“I’ve been throwing the whole time,” Sabathia said. “I feel pretty good. Obviously you have to be cautious, not wanting to hurt my arm. But we’ll see. I feel good. Hopefully we can skip some steps.”

The 33-year-old lefty was just 3-4 with a 5.28 ERA when he was done with his last start on May 10.

“It’s hard to watch the games and sit here and not be a part of it,” Sabathia said. “This is one of toughest things I’ve ever had to deal with as far as my career goes.”

Sabathia is scheduled to throw another bullpen today.

“We’ll just continue to increase the amount of pitches and the pitches that he throws,” Girardi said. “He threw fastball, changeup the first day. I think he’s going to mix in some other pitches (today), mix in his slider as well. And then just kind of go day by day with him for me.

“If he gets through (today), then he’ll probably throw another bullpen and we’ll increase the number there. And then if he gets through that, eventually you start to see hitters and BP and then you get the games.

“So it’s really just taking it a step at a time. … He’s been out for a little bit. We’ve said when you’re a starter and you have not thrown a lot, we have to somewhat rebuild you up. So it’s fairly similar (to spring training).”

Masahiro Tanaka just continues to win. Here’s my story on his victory over the Blue Jays last night. Francisco Cervelli is back and ready to help in any way possible, while John Ryan Murphy is now back in Triple-A. Here’s my story on Cervelli’s return and other Yankees notes. And Chase Whitley will take the ball tonight against Toronto. Here’s my feature story on Whitley and his success as a rookie.

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159 Responses to “CC hoping “spring training” ends early”

  1. yankeefeminista June 18th, 2014 at 8:28 am

    C!

  2. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    We’ll C!

  3. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Tanaka’s Rookie Season could rank with the greats: MLB.com

    Tanaka’s 11 wins lead the Major Leagues.

    His 1.99 ERA is tops in the AL and third overall in Major League Baseball behind Tim Hudson of the Giants (1.81) and Johnny Cueto of the Reds (1.92).

    With six innings of one run, five-hit ball that included two walks and 10 strikeouts, Tanaka has now made 14 consecutive quality starts (at least six innings pitched, giving up three earned runs or fewer), currently the longest such streak in the Majors.

    His 113 strikeouts tie him with Stephen Strasburg of the Nationals for second in MLB behind David Price of the Rays, who leads with 121.

    Tanaka’s 99 2/3 innings pitched tie him for third in the AL and sixth overall.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  4. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Guess which pitching line has the higher WAR according to Baseball Reference this year:

    A: 14 starts — 95.2 IP — 8W – 4L — 2.63 ERA — 1.06 WHIP — 79 K — 22 BB — 79 Hits
    B: 14 starts — 99.2 IP — 11W – 1L — 1.99 ERA — 0.95 WHIP — 113 K — 16 BB – 79 Hits

  5. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    pkyankfan-

    Good morning. It should be B, Tanaka, but it’s probably A?

  6. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Sabathia is 33 years old, has a history of knee problems, his fastball has disappeared, and the Yankees still owe him $90.6 million.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com.....z34zgnjXXC

  7. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    I don’t know if it’s greed to opt out on a lucrative contract, but CC, Arod and Jeter had managed to extract every pennies out of NYY,

  8. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Is Dallas Keuchel of the Astros A?

  9. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Just to think if NYY would have capitulated to Jeter’s 100 mil plus demand, this team could just play old timers game every day in 2 years.

  10. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 8:48 am

    I bet CC pitches in MLB one month from today. Unless he has a setback he is way ahead of where he would be at the start of spring training. It’s not a valid comparison.

    Even if that proves to be the case, that’s five or six more starts for Vidal Nuno… which is five or six too many as far as I’m concerned.

  11. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Is Dallas Keuchel of the Astros A?
    ————
    Yeah, I mean he only has a tenth of a point higher WAR but even so, I don’t understand how he could even be worth as many wins as Tanaka based on their respective lines.

  12. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Good morning Cash.

    It’s too bad that players can’t restructure their contracts to bring in talent, ala basketball.

    The top Heat players are possibly going to restructure their contracts to find room to add Carmelo Anthony.

    Pipe Dream!

  13. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    Maybe because the Astros are among the homerun leaders. :)

  14. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    YT, Chip quoted George Young (one of better minds in NFL)and I paraphrase, that sometimes it’s good to let legend walk a few years earlier than late… when you look at the spectrum of NYY sports… I find a lot applicable cases.

  15. JimK June 18th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Repost: Re: Charlie Lau

    Mac, I remember Charlie Lau, but I do not recall him receiving much credit for making Brett the hitter he was, but after I researched Brett, he did credit Lau’s hitting instruction as the basis for his future hitting success.
    Lau also coached Willie Wilson, Amos Otis, Hal McCray, Greg Luzinski, and Harold Baines, but only Brett credited Lau with his success

  16. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    *pardon, NY sports.

  17. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Sabathia went on the DL May 11th. I’ll be surprised if he’s back with the NYY pitching two months after the injection and feeling no pain. But that will probably happen. He’ll come back start pitching in late July, and complain about a recurrence of right knee pain after the trading deadline.

    My bad!

    Sabathia is making $23 million this season, the sixth in a deal that will pay him $161 million over 7 years. He is 3-4 with a 5.28 ERA, with opponents hitting .301 off him this season.

  18. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    I see where the Jays sent down Steve Delabar, owner of a 5-1 record, and 1.71 ERA a year ago, before the AS break.

  19. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Baby Bomber Recap, from SB Nation:

    Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders: W 8-7 vs. Toledo Mud Hens

    LF Jose Pirela 2-5, double, RBI, K – .816 OPS this season
    2B Rob Refsnyder 1-5
    CF Zoilo Almonte 1-3, 2 BB

    Gary Sanchez having a rough June.

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....hris-breen

  20. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    The players fought the Union leadership on drug testing and won.

    It would be interesting if some players did offer to restructure their deals downward to make room for improved teammates. The MLBPA leadership would fight them on it, but would they win?

    There’s nothing to stop a player from retiring, changing his mind and re-signing for less.

    I don’t expect to see it happen, but if Alex Rodriguez really wanted to bolster his image with the public in general and the game in particular that would be the best way to do it.

  21. JimK June 18th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    I will continue to beat the same “dead horse,” but IMO the Y’s biggest off season mistake was not resigning Granderson, who prior to being injured last year was their greatest HR threat during the previous two seasons.
    The reasons given was that he wanted a 4 year contract, which may have been asking too much, but it made more sense to give a 4 year contract to a 33 year old player than it did to give a 3 year contract to Beltran, who is 4 years older than Granderson.
    Melky is another player the Y’s let go without receiving much in return; granted who knows how much PEDS improved Melky’s game, but he is only 28 and he is one of the Jays top hitters this year.
    If the Y’s do not sign Ellsbury, their OF would consist of Gardner, Granderson, and Cabrera.

  22. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Good win last night, but it’s the next two games that are going to be the most interesting. At this point, I always expect the Tankees to win. It’s the Yankees that are more problematic.

  23. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    The actual original quote on the issue comes from Branch Rickey:

    “Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late”

  24. Hassey June 18th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    JimK – Maybe my memory is becoming fuzzy in my old age, so I’m sure you’ll correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Granderson suck over his last Yankee 750 ABs?

  25. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    If Beltran had not run into that low fence in Tampa I don’t think we would be regretting the decision to choose him for three years over Granderson.

    There’s always a rush to evaluate these things and I understand it, but that’s a decision that will play out over the next few years.

  26. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    86, to engage in that particular train of thought, I don’t think it’s outrageou to state that NYY present day are pretty much the worst team that money can buy and I think it will get progressively worse in 15 and 16 unless they are internal helps on it’s way to offset an astounding amt of sunken cost.

    In dealing with 14, i maintain that this is slightly above team which might get them to a playoff but most likely not imo. so where do we go? buy or sell? is there a need for a restock period?

  27. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    The actual original quote on the issue comes from Branch Rickey:

    “Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late”
    —————

    Nothing wrong with Young pirating some words of wisdom. Young’s other great quote was that just because you pay a player a million dollars doesn’t make him a million dollar player.

  28. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    The Beltran signing was the one I wasn’t crazy about either. Would have preferred to sign a guy like Marlon Bryd to a 1 year deal and platoon him with Zolio Almonte since he is so much better left handed.

  29. austinmac June 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    I see that Choo is hitting .249. He may not have been a great option either.

  30. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    From the pantheon of great moments in homerism.

    Did anyone catch it last night when Michael Kay was giving the injury update and they talked about CC and what a great deadline deal it would be to add a former Cy Young winner to the rotation? Completely dismissing the fact that CC has been brutal for the last season and a half.

  31. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Mac, there simply aren’t too many great options available in FA anymore..

  32. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Did anyone catch it last night when Michael Kay was giving the injury update and they talked about CC and what a great deadline deal it would be to add a former Cy Young winner to the rotation?

    ——————

    He and Al talking about CC and Pineda in that context was laughable. But I’m pretty sure they’re telling us exactly what the Yankees are going to do… They’ll frame it as if adding these two guys are just the same as acquiring major talent at the deadline, and if/when they’re injured and ineffective they’ll say it was bad luck.

  33. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    it happened in 60s with draft, it happened with LT, it is happening now with the new CBA, the system is designed to curtail NYY’s tremendous financial adv. Now if you don’t adapt and seek other means to procure talents… then you will become extinct and MLB will have accomplish their mission of parity.

  34. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    The book on Tanaka is going to be to be aggressive early in the count, and to try to get to him early before he gets a chance to settle in.

    Like so many great pitchers he usually gets better as the game progresses.

    You really do not want to let him get ahead of you.

    That is the only way to prevent it w his command.

    And when he does give you a hittable pitch you’d better not miss it.

    ;)

  35. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Mac, there simply aren’t too many great options available in FA anymore..

    —————————————–
    Certainly younger options!

    if you need a young outfielder, probably Melky and Colby Rasmus are the youngest ones.

    And the good offensive options are pretty sparse this offseason.

    Latest MLB free agent list:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  36. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Did anyone catch it last night when Michael Kay was giving the injury update and they talked about CC and what a great deadline deal it would be to add a former Cy Young winner to the rotation?

    ——————

    He and Al talking about CC and Pineda in that context was laughable. But I’m pretty sure they’re telling us exactly what the Yankees are going to do… They’ll frame it as if adding these two guys are just the same as acquiring major talent at the deadline, and if/when they’re injured and ineffective they’ll say it was bad luck.
    ———————

    Probably.

    What’s more, yes, getting Nuno out of the rotation is a good thing, but it’s not like Whitley or Phelps are hurting them right now – the additions need to come in the lineup.

  37. bruceb June 18th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    I’m sure this subject has already been discussed in depth on LoHud but I just wonder what people put the drop off in offensive numbers this year down to?

    The only obvious reason I can think of is that MLB’s drug testing policy is finally working and that players are no longer taking PEDs. But I’m sure there must be a number of other theories. Could the number of injuries to star players have anything to do with it, I wonder?

  38. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Trader –

    If the Yankees don’t add a 3b for next year and Alex is playing there I would sign Rasmus and make Beltran the primary DH.

    Though if you want to get crazy this winter you deal Brett Gardner to the Nationals for Anthony Rendon, sign Rasmus to replace Gardner, make Alex the DH and leave Beltran in RF.

  39. mick June 18th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Could the number of injuries to star players have anything to do with it, I wonder?
    ==================
    Sure, if their recovery time is effected by the lack of steroids.

  40. mick June 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Why risk it with Beltran in the OF? Makes little sense..

  41. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Shame-

    That’s what happened with Morales. Cashman tells Boras to wait a few more days , so the Yankees have a little more time to evaluate Beltran and Teixeira. Now the Yankees have few options to trade for offense until the trading deadline.

    Beltran still has pain in that right elbow.
    Teixeira always will need more time off, for whatever is his “ailment of the day.”

  42. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    almost everyone on here was cheerleading for the yankees to extend cc to prevent him from opting out. big mistake.

    about $50M of this year’s payroll wasted on two bad decisions regarding ‘opt outs’.

  43. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Shame-

    That’s what happened with Morales. Cashman tells Boras to wait a few more days , so the Yankees have a little more time to evaluate Beltran and Teixeira. Now the Yankees have few options to trade for offense until the trading deadline.

    Beltran still has pain in that right elbow.
    Teixeira always will need more time off, for whatever is his “ailment of the day.”
    ———————–

    There will be players available via trade, they’ll just cost more in terms of talent than Drew or Morales would have. As it stands, it’s entirely possible that John Ryan Murphy has played his last game as a Yankee.

  44. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Cashmoney —-

    I don’t know that this is the worst team money can buy…. but the amount of $$$$ committed for the next two years is a lot. The most cost-effective fix is for Almonte, Pirela, Murphy, Wheeler, Pinder and Roller to move into MLB roles in the next year, year-and-a-half and let all impending free agents move on.

    I don’t know that they are willing to do that.

    Blake and I have discussed this for three years and have the same position. they should either say the hell with $ 189 M and spend the $ 230 or so needed to upgrade the roster or totally commit to getting under $ 189M, sell the fans on a rebuild with young talent and the long-term benefits of re-setting the luxury tax situation.

    Unfortunately they have committed to a combination of the two which all but guarantees mediocrity.

  45. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Chip-

    Do the Yankees have to take on Rasmus’ father too?

    If the Yankees stand pat, and don’t add offense, at the TD, there will still be holes and ? marks come next season.

    OF-Gardner, Ellsbury, and Beltran recuperating from surgery
    1B- another year of an older Tex
    2B-?
    SS-?
    3B- will it be Alex and if so a big ?
    C-McCann

  46. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    it’s entirely possible that John Ryan Murphy has played his last game as a Yankee.

    ******************************************************************

    I hope not. I like him A LOT more than Cervelli. Hoping Cervelli plays well and someone makes a nice offer for him and get Murphy back.

  47. Cashmoney June 18th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I am in agreement with you, 86.

  48. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I’ve got to go.

    Have a great day everyone.

  49. G. Love June 18th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    I always love the “injured players coming back is like winning the trade deadline” spin which totally ignores that your team treads water or sinks in the meantime.

    I was at the game last night so I didn’t hear that, but if Kay’s spouting that stuff already the Yankees front office is already in mid-season form!

    Next we’re going to hear that the trade deadline doesn’t mean you still can’t make trades…

  50. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Trader –

    You have to assume that some of the questions you’re pointing out will be addressed over the winter.

    I really don’t believe that the Yankees will go into next year with a lineup of:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Gardner – LF
    Beltran – RF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – c
    Alex – DH
    Kelly Johnson – 3b
    Solarte – 2b
    Brendan Ryan – SS

    My hope is that if the Yankees do stand pat at the deadline then they do what Boston did yesterday and that’s part ways with some of their failing veterans to free up playing time for young players.

    I know the Yankees seem to consider playing guys from the minor leagues as a white flag move, but to me running Brian Roberts out there everyday is a greater white flag move than playing Jose Pirela, and while Ichiro has done a solid job in hitting singles, on a team dying for power a .300 hitter with .505 slugging percentage (Zoilo) should probably get a longer look.

  51. luis June 18th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Good morning all,

    86,

    Excellent post…

  52. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    There is no guarantee that the luxury tax or it’s $189M threshold will continue into the next cba, so planning payroll decisions regarding the LT is very difficult.

    Several teams now face going over the threshold in the next few years, so support for it may be much less than in the last negotiations.

    Expect a much harder line on the part of the MLBPA this time around, they got schooled the last time.

  53. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Whitley should start the game with a first pitch changeup to Reyes. He always looks dead red when he steps in the batters box

  54. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    “Blake and I have discussed this for three years and have the same position. they should either say the hell with $ 189 M and spend the $ 230 or so needed to upgrade the roster or totally commit to getting under $ 189M, sell the fans on a rebuild with young talent and the long-term benefits of re-setting the luxury tax situation.”

    honestly I think they should have went under the tax last year now having time to review what’s happened……they should have signed Tanaka…..signed Cano…..and used the Arod suspension to dip under 189.

    They’d be just as good on the field…..they would have a lot more money to spend going forward……and they would have gotten to pick 18th in this years draft…….

    it’s a bit hindsight thinking……but my stance all winter was either be all in or all out……they just went sorta in and it was always gonna be very difficult to fill all their needs in one offseason.

    I still think they can make the playoffs this year……but this isn’t a great team and it’s hard to see how they can make it one before october……they probably should have taken a step back last winter to make it easier to take steps forward in the future.

  55. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “I always love the “injured players coming back is like winning the trade deadline” spin which totally ignores that your team treads water or sinks in the meantime.”

    I really hate that cliche as well……and they use it all the time.

  56. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    i think reyes will be looking dead change when he walks in the box tonight.

  57. mick June 18th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    I remember Leiter saying he threw a 1st pitch changeup to Jeter in the 2000 WS which he hammered out of the park.

    He laments, changing off of what? It was just a slow FB.

  58. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    I see where A’s Drew Pomeranz pulled a Kevin Brown last night. Punching a chair after getting lit up by Texas and breaking his right hand as a result. What a bonehead! Wonder if he’ll get fined by the team

  59. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    unlike others…..I do not think Hal is going to allow Cashman to spend a lot of money this winter. With Alex’s money coming back on the books they are gonna be close to 200 million without even doing anything. They can probably spend a little money because of Jeter and Kuroda coming off the books but I don’t see Hal authorizing the payroll but to the 230+ mark again…….he’s going to make Cashman make trades up upgrade the roster and that’s a pretty risky proposition.

  60. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am
    i think reyes will be looking dead change when he walks in the box tonight

    __________________________________

    He’s not that smart

  61. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    - WEDNESDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) The entire game boiled down to the TEX RBI single with 2 Out, 1B Open, and McCann on deck. Especially considering the way the Jay 9th unfolded.

    (2) Reyes appears back to his “hot dogging” ways. An injury soon to follow.

    (3) Betances continues to show why he should be pitching the 9th.

    (4) Robertson continues to show why he should NOT be pitching the 9th.

    (5) Johnson displaying confidence at the plate. Still, his defense and base running offset that.

    (6) Wouldn’t be surprised to see the name J.R. Murphy bandied about as July 31 approaches.

    (7) As many thought would happen, Gardner and Ellsbury are indeed pushing each other.

  62. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    At least Pomerantz took Crash Davis’ advice and punched the chair with his non pitching hand.

  63. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “I always love the “injured players coming back is like winning the trade deadline” spin which totally ignores that your team treads water or sinks in the meantime.”

    I really hate that cliche as well……and they use it all the time.
    —————–

    And it’s one thing if you’re getting a great player back off the DL – but in this context that’s not the case – CC Sabathia – at least the version we’ve seen the last season and a half – in no way helps this team.

  64. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Between Ichiro, Jeter, Roberts and Kuroda coming off the books, that’s 29.5 million. Its possible that Gardner could be traded. That would free up money as well. Arod will earn 21 mill next year. Robertson will cost between 12-14 mill to resign if they choose to do so. They’ll have to be creative, but they will have some flexibility there.

  65. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:05 am
    unlike others…..I do not think Hal is going to allow Cashman to spend a lot of money this winter. With Alex’s money coming back on the books they are gonna be close to 200 million without even doing anything. They can probably spend a little money because of Jeter and Kuroda coming off the books but I don’t see Hal authorizing the payroll but to the 230+ mark again…….he’s going to make Cashman make trades up upgrade the roster and that’s a pretty risky proposition.

    —————

    dan’s probably right and they’re probably going to go with Arod as their starting 3B… and then call it bad luck when he goes on the DL.

  66. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    unlike others…..I do not think Hal is going to allow Cashman to spend a lot of money this winter. With Alex’s money coming back on the books they are gonna be close to 200 million without even doing anything. They can probably spend a little money because of Jeter and Kuroda coming off the books but I don’t see Hal authorizing the payroll but to the 230+ mark again…….he’s going to make Cashman make trades up upgrade the roster and that’s a pretty risky proposition.
    ——————

    Cashman might not be the guy making those deals – he’s a FA after this season and given how poorly some of this winter’s FA moves have worked out, unless he can show that the rehabilitated farm system is able to contribute he might not be invited back.

  67. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    With all the problems the Yankees DO have, I cant’ believe people want to complain about Robertson. He’s doing fine and there is no clear replacement for him.

  68. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Donnybrook:

    Robertson has been fine pitching the 9th inning. What did you expect? Mariano? Give me a break!! How are you so sure Betances would be lights out closing? Those last 3 outs are always the hardest ones to get.

  69. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Goddbye Cashman. Hello Billy Eppler, a Cashman disciple. Really not much difference

  70. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    With all the problems the Yankees DO have, I cant’ believe people want to complain about Robertson. He’s doing fine and there is no clear replacement for him.
    ——————————

    I’m not complaining about him but I do think that if the Yankees are on a budget they should let him go. There may not be a clear replacement for him but there are alternatives in the forms of Betances (if they don’t put him in the rotation) or Ramirez. With all the power relievers the Yankees have they have options to fill a bullpen that don’t cost $10 – $12 mil a year and that money could be better spent on a SS or 3b.

  71. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Chip is right. If they’re on a tight budget, you pretty much need to let Robertson walk because he will cost at minimum $10 million in AAV to keep. That being said, if they don’t upgrade the rotation, they maybe keep that money for the pen.

    Right now the 2015 rotation is some combination of Tanaka, CC, Pineda, Phelps, Whitley, and a half year of Nova along with the possibility of Warren returning to a SP role. Maybe they decide the arms on the market are too expensive and not worth the cash with the 2016 SP free agent list looking so appealing right now.

  72. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    If Newman, Levine and Hal continue making the baseball decisions, it won’t matter who the GM is.

  73. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Actually the Yankees have more than $ 50 M in player salaries coming off the books and only one of them, David Robertson ($ 5.2 M) is someone you might want back.

    They get A-Rod back ($ 24.4 M on Luxury tax) and have to fund Gardner’s raise ($ 6.9 M). That would get them under $ 189 M if they want to do it.

    I can see fielding a team from within except at SS, so they may need to move some $$$ in order to add a SS for 2015 IF they are aiming for $ 189.

  74. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    “dan’s probably right and they’re probably going to go with Arod as their starting 3B… and then call it bad luck when he goes on the DL.”

    yea most likely……I didn’t think they’d let Arod back…..but I’m changing my mind on that……honestly I didn’t think he’d just go away like he has……that’s the best thing he could have done…..go away…..let time heal things….

  75. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    “They get A-Rod back ($ 24.4 M on Luxury tax) and have to fund Gardner’s raise ($ 6.9 M). That would get them under $ 189 M if they want to do it.”

    well except they’d have no closer…..no 3B…..no SS…..no 2b……and would need at least 1 starter to replace Kuroda

    So yea mathematically they could get under 189…..they couldn’t do it and be any good though.

  76. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Goddbye Cashman. Hello Billy Eppler, a Cashman disciple. Really not much difference
    —————————-

    I agree – except that with Eppler as the GM I think Randy Levine would be even more prevalent. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If the Yankees want to make a break with Cashman I am fine with that – the guy has been in the organization for 20 years, it would be useful to get some new perspective in evaluating the players and the staff. To do that though you also have to replace, or at least re-assign Levine. Make him head of Yankee business operations and hire a real baseball person with a proven track record for evaluating talent and working with a budget – my goal would be John Hart.

  77. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 10:26 am
    Actually the Yankees have more than $ 50 M in player salaries coming off the books and only one of them, David Robertson ($ 5.2 M) is someone you might want back.

    —————

    If he were only to cost that much, I think it’d be universally assumed he’d be back. I want him back regardless of the cost because he’s not a long term commitment, he helps shorten up the game, the other pen arms are mostly cheap/young, and he’s been one of the best relievers in the game.

    But if we’re only allowed to add X amount of dollars… he’s probably the first guy on the pecking order to let go unless they find a way to trade salary somehow. Should I go back to trying to trade Tex?

  78. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    They are at 161 according to cots for 2015 right now….that’s not counting arb guys…..or the 12 million for benefits……it’ll be next to impossible for get under 189 next year. They’d have to let Robertson walk and then fill out the rest of the roster with league minimum guys to even have a shot at it……

  79. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    they’d probably have to slip Arod some PEDs and hope he gets busted to have a chance to get under 189 next year.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    . they should either say the hell with $ 189 M and spend the $ 230 or so needed to upgrade the roster or totally commit to getting under $ 189M, sell the fans on a rebuild with young talent and the long-term benefits of re-setting the luxury tax situation.

    Unfortunately they have committed to a combination of the two which all but guarantees mediocrity.
    ///

    Hey 86, pretty much what astrocity said yesterday, before you jumped all over him!

    The difference was, he was concerned that, because of their “committment to the combination of the two” that “winning” in the short-term “all but guarantees mediocrity” and that bottoming out means panicked moves that wipe out the farm and guarantee even longer-term mediocrity.

    Not trying to give you a hard time, just pointing out that the guy said nothing “pitiful” nor deserving of anything but a close read to what he actually said, which is essentially the same point you’re making.

    Is your point less “negative”? Food for thought.

  81. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    If you want to be a real cynic about the people running the Yankees consider this:

    They may want him to play 3b every day in hopes of his body giving out on him. If his hips can’t hold up and he’s forced to medically retire, insurance will cover the balance of his salary and not the Yankees.

  82. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    they’d probably have to slip Arod some PEDs and hope he gets busted to have a chance to get under 189 next year.
    —————–

    Yankees have to know that realistically they can’t shoot for $189 again until after the 2017 season when CC, Tex, Alex are all off the books.

  83. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    “They may want him to play 3b every day in hopes of his body giving out on him. If his hips can’t hold up and he’s forced to medically retire, insurance will cover the balance of his salary and not the Yankees.”

    Arod would get bionic hips like Darth Vader.

  84. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Yankees have to know that realistically they can’t shoot for $189 again until after the 2017 season when CC, Tex, Alex are all off the books.

    —————

    They should have been shooting for this from day one. They could have still reduced payroll and put themselves in viable position to get under while fielding a competitive team.

  85. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    arod is going to retire instead of coming back.

  86. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    You get plus points for conspiracy theorizing lol, but no way that happens. Especially not in 2015. He’d have to physically never be able to play again. That’s not something easy to evaluate. It’s why Johan Santana keeps trying to pitch lol.

  87. JimK June 18th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Hassey, granted Granderson’s last full year with the Y’s he only batted .232, but he did hit 41 HR’s and drove in over 100 runs for the second year in a row. I would not call that great, but I would also not describe it as terrible.

  88. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    189 is an absurd notion for a Team w the financial might of the Yankees.

    Always was. Always will be.

    Why are we concerned w the finances of a Billionaire ?

    Think it really hurts him to spend an extra 20-30 million ?

    It’s like a drop of water in the Ocean.

    What I do think Hal should concern himself with is getting value for the money he does
    authorize being spent.

    He needs to start holding folks accountable.

    ;)

  89. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    blake —

    They already have no SS, no 3B and no 2B and there are closer options that may be as good or better than Robertson.

    They can get five starters out of Tanaka, CC, Pineda, Phelps, Nova, Whitley, Nuno and Greene can’t they?

    Never said getting to $ 189 wouldn’t be painful and likely require a sub .500 type season. It is more doable if they can move Gardner.

    Personally I’d rather see them get a starter, keep Robertson and sign either Cabrera or JJ Hardy.

  90. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am
    arod is going to retire instead of coming back.
    —————–

    And give up $60+ million dollars… mmmhmmmm.

    This whole time he’s been quiet for a reason.. he’s finally behaving in a way that makes sense for a guy looking to play baseball in 2015. Go away, have a hublub for ST and his return, the story is dead by opening day.

  91. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    “arod is going to retire instead of coming back.”

    Wishful thinking.

    ;)

  92. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    “Personally I’d rather see them get a starter, keep Robertson and sign either Cabrera or JJ Hardy.”

    they can’t do that and get under 189…..they can’t even sign Robertson and get under 189……so you’d be looking at the current team…..minus Robertson….minus Kuroda….and minus Jeter. Yikes……at least they might get a high draft pick.

  93. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Arod had to be talked out of retiring by some drug mule (not yuri) last year, and her advice turned out to be disastrous.

    His heart is not in rehabbing and playing without PED’s for the first time since Jr. High. He’s going to retire and try to collect from insurance.

  94. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    In Granderson’s last 431 AB as a Yankee (2nd half 2012, 61 g he played in 2013)

    .211 22 HR 63 RBI

    That warrants a 4-year, $ 56 M contract?

  95. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    I’m thinking the only reason Arod dropped the lawsuit and has basically went away was because he DOES want to play baseball again……that was the only way he could do it. …..his only shot was to go away for awhile and hope time healed things enough that he could come back…….I don’t know if it will or not but it was his only chance.

  96. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    the yanks are probably very close to 189 already for 2015 if you estimate the arb salaries and the benefits…..plus if Arod plays he’ll hit 6 homers and trigger the 6 million dollar bonus……they’d have to either get Arod suspended or move a big contract likely to even have a chance at it without even signing 1 single player.

  97. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    ….and minus Jeter.

    ————–

    Which some consider as a plus when you have Ryan penciled in as an everyday starter.

  98. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    AR is not walking away from 60 Million bucks.

    One way or another he is going to get paid on most if not all of it.

    Of course you have to reduce the amount he’ll get by those wasted legal fees.

    ;)

  99. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    MTU —-

    I don’t think anyone here is concerned about the Steinbrenner family fortune.

    However since there is a legitimate business basis for getting under the luxury tax there’s nothing wrong with discussing the pros and cons and the “price” that might have to be paid to get there.

    I don’t want them to do that, but I would prefer it to this half-in, half-out, half-axx approach.

  100. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    “Which some consider as a plus when you have Ryan penciled in as an everyday starter.”

    it’s not….Ryan is terrible.

  101. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    I think ultimately the problem that the Yankees have is that for as good as a business man as Hal might be, he doesn’t understand the business of baseball.

    He looks at the payrolls of other teams and can’t fathom why it is that the Yankees are struggling to compete with a payroll that dwarfs them. He doesn’t drill down enough into the payroll to realize that so much of the payroll is tied up in sunk costs like CC…or he does and then when Cashman asks for more money he asks Brian, “well what assurances can you give me that this investment will turn out any better?”

    Hal probably looks at the models of other teams, bringing up and locking up young players and asks Cashman when the Yankees will have that kind of talent coming through the organization and Cashman can’t answer that either because, for a man who fought hard for control of the farm system, he has done diddly with it.

    At the same time you have Levine who knows less about baseball than my grandmother who believes that only bad teams rely on players from the minor leagues.

  102. yankfan1 June 18th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I see no reason in resigning Robertson. That bullpen will be more than fine without him. That 10-12 AAV can be allocated to more important areas. Take the draft picks and let him walk.

  103. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    “I think ultimately the problem that the Yankees have is that for as good as a business man as Hal might be, he doesn’t understand the business of baseball.”

    agreed…..it’s not like a normal business.

  104. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    So the US Patent Office is going ham on Dan Snyder…

  105. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    if the Yankees are on a budget then it doesn’t make much sense to sign Robertson when they have so many other needs……if they are going to act like the Yankees though then it makes tons of sense because he’s on of the 5 best relievers in baseball……

  106. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Yankees have to know that realistically they can’t shoot for $189 again until after the 2017 season when CC, Tex, Alex are all off the books.

    —————

    They should have been shooting for this from day one. They could have still reduced payroll and put themselves in viable position to get under while fielding a competitive team.
    ————————–

    It would have made more sense for two reasons – not only those major contracts off the books but also the better prospects would be in a more realistic position to help.

  107. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Next season you need a COF w power, SS, closer, and a front line SP.

    Hal will have to increase his budget if he wants to do that in a credible way.

    Of course they could just stay w Beltran, Ichiro (4th OF), Betances.

    :shock:

  108. blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Trout is now OPSing 1.008 and on pace for 37 homers….42 doubles and 12 triples……he’s Mickey Mantle

  109. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    i dont understand why news outlets continue to use the name of the washington dc football team. It’s a racial slur.

    If media outlets just refused to use the name and instead called them the Washington DC football team, they’d change the name immediately. Not that that’s the media’s job to get them to change the name, but just using a racial slur seems against journalistic principles.

  110. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    MTU June 18th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Next season you need a COF w power, SS, closer, and a front line SP.

    Hal will have to increase his budget if he wants to do that in a credible way.

    Of course they could just stay w Beltran, Ichiro (4th OF), Betances.
    ————————

    And if he doesn’t want to significantly increase payroll then he needs to talk to his baseball people about seeing what guys like Almonte, Pirela, Roller and Wheeler can contribute.

  111. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:53 am
    if the Yankees are on a budget then it doesn’t make much sense to sign Robertson when they have so many other needs……if they are going to act like the Yankees though then it makes tons of sense because he’s on of the 5 best relievers in baseball……

    —————-

    Unless they overhaul their SP, Robertson makes a ton of sense… it allows you to have Betances and Robertson in the late innings role with Jram and possibly Warren able to cover the bridge roles. 4 very solid arms in the pen for a rotation filled with guys that don’t give you much length. Pineda, for example, isn’t going to give you 6-7 innings on most nights, IMO. Phelps is another guy that throws a lot of pitches. CC is going to need to be operating with a quicker hook going forward, since the 6th inning is the one that seems to kill him pretty often.

  112. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    86-

    I have to disagree.

    There seem to some who are worried about it.

    FWIS to hell w 189.

    Once they broke thru it w Tanaka they should have kept right on going until the job was complete.

    But as you say they “half-as*ed” it.

    IMO what Hal has to do is start holding people accountable for the money he spends.

    It amazes me that more heads have not rolled.

  113. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 10:57 am
    Trout is now OPSing 1.008 and on pace for 37 homers….42 doubles and 12 triples……he’s Mickey Mantle

    ————

    I hate his extension.. good move for the Angels and Trout, but I hate it lol.

    If they’re real crappy when there’s a year left on that deal, they will bring back half a farm system by trading him.

  114. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Blake,

    They did spend..The problem was/is that they needed to spend further..Around 230 mil as 86 points out…Still, I believe they should have gone through a rebuilding period…It would have made them stronger in the long run…This fake “win now” mentality is dooming the franchise to a prolonged mediocrity period

  115. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    “If they’re real crappy when there’s a year left on that deal, they will bring back half a farm system by trading him.”

    hopefully it’s ours if it’s no better than it is now.

  116. JimK June 18th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    In the second half of 2012, Granderson’s average did drop, but he still hit 20 of his 41 hr’s in the second 1/2 and drove in 50 of his 106 runs. I discount his 2013 performance based on his limited playing time due to injury.
    But as to your question the answer is no.

  117. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Ys – I can’t really figure out what the impact of the decision is.. and you gotta wonder if some of these baseball teams are next.

  118. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Blake-

    Trout even looks like Mantle.

  119. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Chip and Blake,

    The business of baseball may require a certain degree of expertise..But in the end, it is a business governed by the same rules of the business world…I don’t think Hal is that good a businessman as you might think…To tell you the truth, I don’t even think George was either

  120. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “They did spend..The problem was/is that they needed to spend further..”

    agree if they were all in they should have went on and finished the job…..but would it have mattered? I don’t know…..I feel like they are spending money to renovate a house on a crack foundation……at some point you have to fix that or you’re just wasting time and money.

    In hindsight…..they should have signed Tanaka…..signed Cano……and done literally nothing else but get under the cap and kept their draft picks.

    They would be cheaper…..they would have theoretically drafted a good player at #18 in the draft…..and that combined with the international stuff they are getting ready to do perhaps would have laid the start of a new foundation.

    Instead they got more expensive……lost all their draft picks….and bloated the payroll even further to a point where Hal is unlikely to allow more spending…….and the team still isn’t that good now.

  121. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    “Braves’ and ‘Indians’ are more like usurpations than slurs, so idk that there’s any case for denying thier patents. Using them for baseball teams is insulting, but probably doesn’t rise to the level of slurring.

    Now Chief Wahoo is insulting and needs to go the way of Chief Knockahoma.

  122. austinmac June 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    YT,

    I always liked Rasmuss. He power would play well in the stadium, or is that the kiss of offensive death.

  123. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Next year you get me Lester, Castro, and COF’er X and I’m happy.

    :)

  124. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    “To tell you the truth, I don’t even think George was either”

    I think George understood that winning and star power leads to more winning and more star power through more money though……he didnt’ always make the right decisions to achieve it but he understood what needed to be done.

    George didn’t always make the best decisions……but I never doubted his desire to win….

  125. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    MTU,

    the Castro ship has sailed I’m afraid my man……I don’t see why they’d trade him

  126. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:07 am
    “They did spend..The problem was/is that they needed to spend further..”

    agree if they were all in they should have went on and finished the job…..but would it have mattered? I don’t know…..I feel like they are spending money to renovate a house on a crack foundation……at some point you have to fix that or you’re just wasting time and money.

    In hindsight…..they should have signed Tanaka…..signed Cano……and done literally nothing else but get under the cap and kept their draft picks.

    They would be cheaper…..they would have theoretically drafted a good player at #18 in the draft…..and that combined with the international stuff they are getting ready to do perhaps would have laid the start of a new foundation.

    Instead they got more expensive……lost all their draft picks….and bloated the payroll even further to a point where Hal is unlikely to allow more spending…….and the team still isn’t that good now.

    ============================

    Been saying it for while now..But you express it in a much better way

  127. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Can someone please tell me what Hal has done in the buisness world outside of taking over an immensly successful baseball franchise? Where does he get the ‘good buisnessman’ reputation from?

  128. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    consider if the Yanks had all their draft picks from this draft……signed a bunch of international players in July……and also had like 30-50 million they could spend this coming winter because they got under 189 and re-set the luxury tax……..

    I think we can all agree they’d be better off right now…….

  129. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    “Can someone please tell me what Hal has done in the buisness world outside of taking over an immensly successful baseball franchise? Where does he get the ‘good buisnessman’ reputation from?”

    bought a bunch of hotels with his dad’s money? I mean I think his hotels are successful…..but he’s a trust fund kid…..everything was given to him.

  130. Doreen June 18th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Clhip -

    I did notice that, Kay’s statement that CC and Pineda would be good deadline “deals” for the Yankees.

    Even if both were back (or one of them) by that time, I’m getting tired of this line. They said it last year and I think the year before, with regard to players coming off the DL being all the Yankees would need.

    The problem is these guys need time to get up to speed, and you really don’t know what you’re going to get and for how long. Now, it’s also true you don’t always know what you’re going to get via trade. Ivan Rodriguez was a bust and I blame him for Joba’s injury that August and everything subsequent to that (only half j/k). But Soriano did a good job for them last season.

    But I don’t like the easy fall back of, the Yankees don’t need to make trade deadline deals because guys are coming off the DL.

  131. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Blake-

    Perhaps but that is the kind of young, high-upside SS I would love to see us get.

    We might be able to get Ahmed from the Snakes.

    More than likely the Yankees will plug the gap with someone like Hardy, Asdrubal, or Hanley.

    Younger, faster, more athletic, and high-upside.

    ;)

  132. Doreen June 18th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Chip,

    And reading on, yes, I agree and said to my husband, even if CC and Pineda come back, what does that do for their biggest problem – THE OFFENSE!

  133. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    i’d definitely pass on Lester. He’s probably not going to be worth what he’ll turn down from the RS and he’ll be 31 when he starts his next contract. he’s likely looking for a CC type contract.

  134. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    MTU,
    agreed i’d love that…..I just don’t know if they can get a guy like him. They may have to roll the dice on Didi or Ahmed or somebody like that.

  135. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Blake,

    His desire was off the charts..He was more a fan than an owner..Although loving the game is a must, most of the time he was blinded by his fandom…If he could have balanced out those two things ( Being a businessman and a fan)..We probably would have maybe 5 or 6 more titles..And all the money that comes along with that…His brilliant stroke was hiring Stick to run the ball club

  136. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    CC was pitching about like Nuno before he got hurt so I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on anything…..and Pineda you can’t count on……GLove was right…..he’s the groundhog….he pops up once a year and then goes back in his hole. He’ll probably come back for a game or two and look ok and then get hurt again……

  137. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    The biggest problem w Hal is that he lacks a passion for winning.

    If he had that things would be different.

    He wouldn’t be settling for mediocrity in so many around him and for such a lack of results.

    I always say a fish rots from the top down though.

    So maybe he can just take his 3/4 billion and run.

    ;)

  138. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    “i’d definitely pass on Lester. He’s probably not going to be worth what he’ll turn down from the RS and he’ll be 31 when he starts his next contract. he’s likely looking for a CC type contract.”

    I wouldn’t give him a CC contract…..but I’m not sure he’s getting one of those…..he’s older than CC was and he’s not been quite as good either. If I could get him on a 5 year deal I’d do that…….I’d much rather sign him than Scherzer

  139. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    George was a genius at owning a baseball team, not at running one.

    Two championships in 25 seasons of running the Yankees ‘his way’ is a very poor record, the worst in Yankees history in fact.

  140. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    “His desire was off the charts..He was more a fan than an owner..Although loving the game is a must, most of the time he was blinded by his fandom…If he could have balanced out those two things ( Being a businessman and a fan)..We probably would have maybe 5 or 6 more titles..And all the money that comes along with that…His brilliant stroke was hiring Stick to run the ball club”

    I think he got better at that towards the end……either way I’d rather have a passionate owner that at least makes mistakes becasue they want to win so bad than a trust fund kid swimming in their money bin calling the shots.

  141. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Blake-

    A SS is going to be job 1A in the OS.

  142. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    We need to grab another solid Lefty.

    That could be Lester (5 yr. deal) or Lee.

    Or a real coup would be getting Price via a 3-way.

    :)

  143. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    George inherited his father’s business as well…Inheriting the money doesn’t automatically disqualifies you…In fact, it is harder to keep the money than to win it..Most familiar businesses go bankrupt with the second generation..Mostly because the older son takes over instead of the most capable….But sometimes the older son is also the most capable and sometimes there isn’t anyone capable to continue the enterprise..In this situations it is better to sell..I think the Yankees should be sold

  144. bigdan22 June 18th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    “Though if you want to get crazy this winter you deal Brett Gardner to the Nationals for Anthony Rendon, sign Rasmus to replace Gardner, make Alex the DH and leave Beltran in RF”

    ——

    http://nypost.com/2014/06/18/y.....eld-porch/

    ——

    Attached is an article from Sherman today stating basically that until the Yanks start hitting more home runs at home, the team will continue to flounder. Duh.

    The problem is, look at that lineup. Where is that power supposed to come from? Sure you would expect more from Beltran and McCann, but we all know Beltran is hurt and three or four more dingers from McCann wouldn’t make that much of a difference. It’s not like he’s a 40 home run guy.

    This comes back to something I proposed in April. Trade Gardner. Of course not now, but in the off season the Yanks need to get back to basics. And basics for the NY Yankees is left-handed pitching and left-handed power. And I don’t mean the kind of left-handed power that strikes out 200 times either. 40 home runs from a corner OF would be great but right now 20-30 will do the trick. But you need that from RF AND LF. Power from 2b is gone. There will never be that much power from SS and while Arod will help, he’s not 32 and on PEDs anymore. So the corners are going to have to carry the load. And with Beltran hopefully mostly healthy next year and providing a reasonable facsimile of Chilli Davis, the Yanks need to find two power bats for the corners in the off season.

    Sure would be nice, and cheap, if part of that were a left-handed Almonte platoon. That would allow the Yanks to find a power right-handed bat to complement Zoilo and then just have to deal with Gardner’s replacement.

    Gardy is a real good player. Maybe they can get a nice piece in return. He just doesn’t fit the role of left-handed OF power.

  145. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Blake-

    A SS is going to be job 1A in the OS.
    ————–

    Starlin Castro.

  146. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Luis,

    Baseball is not like any other business. If you have high paid employees who aren’t up to snuff you can replace them in other businesses, not in baseball.

  147. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    I thought we should have given CJ Wilson more respect when he was a FA.

    He’s done well for the Halos.

    He’s always been under rated.

  148. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Chip,

    Theo isn’t trading Castro IMO and certainly not for anything the Yanks have to offer……I wish we could get him…..just don’t think it’s realistic. I think Theo thinks his future infield is Bryant, Castro, Baez, Rizzo.

  149. blake June 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    MTU,
    and Darvish of course…..but yea CJ has done well for the Angels…..he was underated for sure.

  150. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    I wonder which pitcher shows up tonight ?

    Chase Whitley or Wase Chitley.

    :)

  151. 86w183 June 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Impossible to know what CC will be like when he comes back.

    IF the knee is completely healthy we might see some of the velocity that was lacking and that would be a huge plus for the last two months of the season.

    The boss did a lot of great things. His early spending binge — Catfish Hunter, Reggie, Goose et al was crucial in the 1976-81 run. His next spending binge was undisciplined and poorly thought out and led to the 1982-94 drought.

    The best thing he did for the Yankees after 1982 was get his butt suspended by MLB.

  152. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    The Japanese have a habit of taking good ideas which have been abandoned or largely ignored, fleshing them out, and frequently perfecting them.

    Take the Wankel engine, and the Splitter.

    :)

  153. Tackelberry June 18th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    tonight will be Whitley’s biggest test so far. Lets see how he fares against Reyes, Bautista, Encarnacion and Lawrie. Tonight will go a long way toward determining if Whitley is indeed the real deal.

  154. luis June 18th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Chip June 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am
    Luis,

    Baseball is not like any other business. If you have high paid employees who aren’t up to snuff you can replace them in other businesses, not in baseball.

    ==============================

    Trust me…There are very capable people in every business, not matter it’s nature…The really delicate point as an owner is understanding how the business works and identifying the right people to run it..Some people have that skill, some don’t..I don’t think Hal has it, nor the passion either for the game that IMO is a must have in this kind of companies..

  155. Ys Guy June 18th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Hal seems to have adopted George’s preference of letting his advisors step all over the GM and make poor baseball decisions, though…

  156. MTU June 18th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Here is my plan going forward.

    We get our position players from Cuba and our pitchers from Japan.

    :)

    P.S. There is a new one ———–>

  157. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    IF the knee is completely healthy we might see some of the velocity that was lacking and that would be a huge plus for the last two months of the season.

    —————-

    Sure, but the chances of that being the case are very, very slim.

  158. Chip June 18th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    3b I would use GGBG to get and why those teams would do the deal these are not necessarily 1 for 1 deals:

    Zimmerman or Rendon – Nationals.
    Gardner is a better lead off option than Denard Span could ever dream of being and a better defender too. While it’s possible the Nats could move one of those two guys the more likely scenario is either shifting Zim to 1b or Rendon to 2b – but I would take either player.

    Kyle Seager – Mariners.
    The Mariners lack table setters ahead of Cano. In theory they could move Nike Franklin to 3b

    David Wright – Mets.
    File this under extremely unlikely because of PR reasons but for strictly baseball reasons it makes sense. Wright is poorly suited for Citi Field and the Mets have options to replace him (Wilmer Flores or Daniel Murphy). Gardner gives them he CF and leadoff hitter they need. In that park he would lead the league in triples year after year while Wright took aim at the short porch in NYS.

  159. Hankflorida June 18th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Chip, it would be nice if we could do something with the offense but we do not have the chips down on the farm..The only other things to do is either change the pitching from within where we do have some room to explore or teach our power hitters to beat the shifts with RISP since they are having trouble hitting the ball out of the park.

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