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Yankees pregame: Old-Timers’ Day

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There are three first-time Old-Timers here today, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui and John Montefusco.

Matsui said through his old interpreter Roger Kahlon that he’s basically relaxing and enjoying retirement. So Matsui was naturally asked what advice he would give the retiring Derek Jeter.

“He’s got to find a wife, first and foremost,” Matsui said.

Joe Torre is here today and he’s bound for the Hall of Fame next month. He acknowledged Jeter’s role.

“I wouldn’t be going to have a Hall of Fame speech unless he was here,” Torre said.

“It’s something that hasn’t really settled in for me yet.”

The introductions are going on now. Then comes the Goose Gossage plaque ceremony, then the Old-Timers’ Game, then Tanaka time.

As for the current team, Joe Girardi again sounded down on the idea of moving Adam Warren into the rotation to replace Vidal Nuno.

“In a sense, you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul,” Girardi said. “Whereas Warren has been able to help us twice out of every five days, you’re only going to get one start every five days. He’s been extremely important to our success in the bullpen. I know he’s been talked about a lot, but our rotation is what it is.”

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98 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Old-Timers’ Day”

  1. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    nice little turn around for Mason Williams in AA it is not how you start BUT how you improve as the season goes along

    Last 27 games Williams is hitting .292/.353/.387, 31 for 106 with a HR, 7 doubles and 10 walks. In his 17 games in June he is hitting .304, 21 for 69.

  2. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Re-post:

    Jim Bowden considers in his espn.com column “most likely” to trade for him:

    Yankees: C Gary Sanchez, RHP Luis Severino, C Peter O’Brien

    ——-

    This is called low baseball IQ.

    I don’t get into hypothetical trades much, but this is how a trade for Price may go. The Yanks only have two high value prospects right now, Refsynder and Murphy. One would have to be included in the trade and I think Murphy would probably be the guy. Now on the back end of the trade you’d throw in a Severino or Judge or perhaps both. At present Sanchez and O’Brien are worth almost nothing to other teams so forget them. In fact, forget all the AA guys.

    So that leaves you with Murphy and Severino/Judge. Not nearly enough, so Tampa will want young veterans from ML roster. There you have Betances, Solarte, Warren, Phelps, Whitley. I think if the Yanks added just Betances, the deal would have a shot. But if the Yanks held back Betances, Tampa would want two of the other four.

    Something like Warren/Phelps, Solarte, Murphy, Severino/Judge.

    If I were the Yanks, I’d think about that. Wouldn’t give up Betances though

  3. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    LA lightning!!!!! make sure you stand and clap when gator has two strikes out on the other batter

  4. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Mr. Henderson!!!!

  5. yankfan1 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    “So Matsui was naturally asked what advice he would give the retiring Derek Jeter.“He’s got to find a wife, first and foremost,” Matsui said.”

    I think its more about choosing than finding

  6. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    44!!!!!

  7. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Mr. Torre!!!!!

  8. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    and hat tip and applaud to the best bench coach Mr. Zimmer RIP

  9. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    nice round of applause for Torre

  10. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Mr. Perfect!!!!!

  11. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    the Chairman and Yogi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    We who can’t get Yes miss things like this. Too bad. I never missed one as a kid on the TV.

  13. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    “nice little turn around for Mason Williams in AA it is not how you start BUT how you improve as the season goes along”

    —–

    That’s about half true. At some point, prospects have to put up a whole season because that’s what’s expected of major leaguers. The kind of season Refs is putting up now and Murphy did last year. Those are the seasons you need to put up to advance.

    Williams was below .200 not long ago. He’s around .230 now. That’s quite a leap in about a month. He’s not showing any power but he really doesn’t have too. He’s basically turning into a Gardner clone. Much of his value is coming from speed and defense.

    If he can finish the season around .250 that would impress me given his start. Mason Williams as a prospect has a lot going for him but he is getting older. He’ll be 23 in a couple of months, Refs’ age. But if Williams finishes the season .230-.240 count me as unimpressed. You can’t get that much credit for being as bad as he was in April and May. And he was real real bad.

  14. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    the ghosts are smiling down today and providing some clear skies for the remaining old guard!!!!!

  15. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    If Mason keeps hitting, he may be a good chip. We really have no spot for him. He is truly a wonderful center fielder.

  16. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Re-post:

    “Almonte is not hitting”

    Correction:

    146 ABs batting left-handed this year in Scranton

    .322 BA/.939 OPS

    But he’s 1/17 in his last 4 games. Batting only .225 last 10 games.

    Sounds to me like an excellent left-handed hitter in a bit of a slump. Let’s see how the next 20 or so ABs go

  17. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    With Williams it is how you finish and not how you start it is the PURPOSE of the minor leagues which is to develop not put up gaudy numbers all the time it is a development league because if they were already developed there would be no point to it now THIS is low baseball iq

  18. Uncle_Game June 22nd, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Yankees get
    Marlon Byrd
    Cliff Lee (take on all his salary)

    Phillies get
    Gary sanchez
    Pete O’brien
    Ian Clarkin
    Zoilo

    boom we got our right fielder with pop AND our ace for postseason with tanaka

    Gardy
    Jeets
    Ells
    Tex
    Beltran
    Byrd
    McCann
    Solarte
    Roberts

    Tanaka
    Lee
    Kuroda
    Phelps
    Sabathia / Pineda

    let’s rock

  19. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Gooooose!!!!! a throwback to the multi inning reliever before LaRussa got his hands on the pen and changed everything

  20. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    The bullpen is a huge asset to this team once again, this time without Mariano and with David Robertson in the lead role. Joe Girardi is responsible for developing Robertson from a raw starter-turned RP into an excellent set-up guy and now a closer.
    Girardi is also doing a great job now of developing the Betances monster and that’s looking pretty damned good right about now.

    Girardi is a master at building a bullpen once again!

  21. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    “If Mason keeps hitting, he may be a good chip. We really have no spot for him. He is truly a wonderful center fielder”

    —–

    That his true. His defense is so good in CF, and with his speed, he has a very good chance of having a major league career. And I can count on one hand how many position prospects I can say that about right now in the Yanks minor league system.

    He has to hit a bit better though. In the next year and a half or so, I think he needs to show he’s at least a .270 minor league hitter to be a good trade chip.

  22. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    “With Williams it is how you finish and not how you start it is the PURPOSE of the minor leagues which is to develop . . .”

    Once again, only half true.

  23. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    developing Robertson from a raw starter-turned RP into

    Robertson was not a starter at the U of Alabama he was already a reliever and came into the organization as a reliever he only started three games in college and that was as a freshman the Yankees discovered him with his impressive work in the cape cod league

    “As a freshman in 2005, Robertson appeared in a team-high 32 games with three games started. He compiled a 7–5 record with 8 saves and a 2.92 earned run average (ERA). He led the Southeastern Conference by limiting hitters to a .183 batting average. He was named Freshman All-SEC and Freshman All-America by Baseball America.
    In his sophomore season, Robertson helped lead the Crimson Tide to their 25th SEC Championship. He appeared in 29 games, compiling a 4–4 record with a 3.02 ERA. He led the SEC with 10 saves. Due to Robertson being 21 at the time of the 2006 draft, he was a draft eligible sophomore and was drafted in the 17th round by the New York Yankees. He played summer league in Cape Cod and was named MVP of the Cape Cod League playoffs.”

  24. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Goooooose!!!!!!

  25. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    larussa really was out front in developing the closer. but baseball was moving further and further away from the complete game and starters were already leaving games earlier and earlier. so someone had to innovate and come up with a way to close an ever-widening gap. LaRussa, (dont get me wrong, i actually despise the guy) decided to do it backwards, to figure out how he’d FINISH the game, then work out how to GET TO the finish. It was genius, really. And I HATE IT when anyone calls Larussa a genius, but facts are facts.

    The old way was breaking down and he innovated the new way and everybody does it that way now.

  26. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    “He’s got to find a wife, first and foremost,” Matsui said.

    Matsui is pretty funny…

  27. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    interested in seeing what Shane Greene can bring to the table today in aaa all it might take is an impressive start and that could get you on the shuttle to the Bronx

  28. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    i stand corrected on the starter turned reliever statement, thank you. the rest of my point still stands and Girardi deserves alot of credit for the bullpen as usual.

  29. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    The old way was breaking down and he innovated the new way and everybody does it that way now.

    the old way was breaking down a lot due rising salaries team management was less likely to let the pushing of starters go that much further once salaries started to go past the seven figures into the eight and then gulp Kevin Brown the nine figures

  30. Hankflorida June 22nd, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 11:53 am
    hank, this OF must be killing you… abide, friend, abide.

    Ruth and Meusel, DiMaggio, Keller and Heinrich, Mantle and Maris, need I say more as I rest my case!

  31. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    the rest of my point still stands and Girardi deserves alot of credit for the bullpen as usual.

    that he does

  32. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    very classy as always with the older timer festivities

  33. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Kershaw and Price????

    “The Dodgers are considered the favorites to land Price by many around baseball, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times writes. The Cardinals have recently been scouting Price, and the Giants are also in the mix. The Marlins could have an interest in Price, and had scouts watching his start last Friday.”

    nothing surprising about this

    “The Rays would prefer to trade Price to the National League, or if not the NL, at least outside of their own division. While an AL East trade isn’t impossible, Topkin believes a division rival would have to give up something beyond the already-large asking price the Rays are seeking for their ace.

    It helps both Price and the Rays if a trade is worked out sooner rather than later, Topkins believes. The Rays can get an early jump on the pitching market and Price seems to be getting frustrated by both Tampa Bay’s struggles and the constant questions about his future.”

  34. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    pete22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:12 am
    bigdan22 June 21st, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    you operate on an assumption that people in baseball do not pay attention to prospects until they reach aa and perform that is your standard but not necessarily shared or followed by the individuals that receive pay checks from baseball organizations

    How many big trades are made for major leaguers that involve exclusively prospects below AA?

    Like zero. There are major league trades made that include single A players sometimes, but not that often. And they are almost always the last piece of a package that includes usually a top high level prospect or two and/or a young veteran player. Guys like Severino and Judge have very little value on their own to other teams.
    ========================================

    The Marline s recently traded a compensation pick for a RP’er, and thats as low as you can get. Looking at the data

    Yankees acquired Dean Anna for a A levels prospect last year

    Rays acquired Dejesus for a low A prospect last year

    A’s acquired Suzuki for a low A prospect last year

    Royals acquired Maxwell for a hi A prospect last year

    Yankees acquired Soriano for a hi A prospect last year

    Nats acquired Span for a hi A prospect

    ——–

    Pete, this is your response to me from last night regarding my contention that trades for major leaguers don’t occur using exclusively prospects from below AA.

    The trades you list above are all minor and peripheral trades or salary dumps (Soriano) and don’t fit the context of the discussion involving the Yanks options in the current trade market. But later you mentioned the Dempster trade of a couple of years ago and that is a good example of a trade involving just single A players. I think Dempster’s value was a bit discounted because he was a rental and I believe the trade was rather late, but it is a real good exception to the point I made. Certainly the Yanks now would be interested in a pitcher like Dempster was at the time as a rental.

    So I guess a major trade involving just single A prospects is possible, albeit very rare.

  35. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    I agree that Mason at .230 has little value while at .270+, he is a good piece. We need our minor leaguers to play well over the next month.

  36. Tackelberry June 22nd, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    uncle_Game:

    you’re kidding about that trade proposal right? Wit. lee’s suspect elbow and huge contract, no way I’m giving anything close to that for Lee

  37. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    I still don’t understand why Pirela gets no love. He’s 24, just a year older than Refsynder, and he’s had almost 300 ABs in AAA while hitting .320. He doesn’t have a lot of power, doesn’t walk much but doesn’t strike out a lot either. As a middle infielder, you could do a whole lot worse. He’s not a SS but may be adequate at 2b and can also play multiple positions.

    I wonder how many current major leaguers hit higher than .320 in AAA over more than 200 ABs?

  38. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Dan, having not seen Pirela a great deal, the only conclusion i can draw is that the NYY does not see him much as a legit inf option (he must horrific defensively) .

    maybe super U in name only….

  39. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    beltran for wheeler doesn’t count?

  40. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:37 pm
    I agree that Mason at .230 has little value while at .270+,

    here is one for you who has more value

    Prospect A starts off red hot hitting .400 in April and mid-may and then cools off hitting in the low .200s to bring his average down to .300 by the end of the year

    Prospect B starts off terribly below the mendoza line but then hits .317 the rest of the way to bring his average up to .230/.240

    who has more promise going forward the the prospect that starts off red hot and then the league figures him out or the prospect that starts off slowly and figures things out and actually DEVELOPS

  41. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    the only conclusion i can draw is that the NYY does not see him much as a legit inf option

    bullseye

  42. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    from cafardo

    “The Diamondbacks seem willing to listen about trade offers for any player except Paul Goldschmidt, Cafardo notes. Martin Prado could be an attractive trade chip, though possible trade candidates like Bronson Arroyo and Mark Trumbo might not have enough time before the deadline to show that they’re healthy. “We’re meeting on it. Figures we are sellers, not buyers,” D’Backs chief baseball officer Tony La Russa said.”

  43. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Missing,

    I don’t disagree with the development concept. Many great players have had so-so minor league stats, at least in some years or for some periods. It just isn’t that easy unless you’re Mike Trout.

  44. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    I’d expect larussa to be active at the TD starting to rebuild the roster to his liking.

  45. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Please no one like Arroyo. His almost diminished stuff is further diminishing. I would much prefer Kennedy to add to the back of the rotation.

  46. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 12:59 pm
    Missing,

    I don’t disagree with the development concept. Many great players have had so-so minor league stats, at least in some years or for some periods. It just isn’t that easy unless you’re Mike Trout.

    agree the most important months/period are those at the end that show the prospect has developed saying April counts just as month then Refsnyder would be considered a bust because he began the year terribly in AA in April no it was mid-May into June that counted when he began to adjust and turn it on that eventually led to his promotion to AAA it is far more important June/July than April/May in the development curve

  47. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    What about Martin Prado? He is better than what we have at 2B or 3B, but he is owed $10M/yr. through 2016. He seems to be a fairly marginal improvement for the cost. We may not be capable of getting anyone better especially if we trade for a pitcher also.

  48. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Mac, former Y “prospect,” Fred McGriff is a perfect example of a player who had average to below average minor league stats, but excelled in the majors.

    The following link is to McGriff’s minor league stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference......grif001fre

  49. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Adam Wainwright had underwhelming and injury plagued stats before her burst onto the scene in ’06 out of the pen and then full time started in ’07

  50. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Jim,

    Cano’s stats didn’t scream star. But, he, like McGriff, had physical ability. Improvement is not linear or equal among players. That is why one doesn’t like to give up on guys with physical ability. No one in the profession evaluates prospects strictly by stats. That is for we people who don’t get to see them regularly play in person.

  51. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Replace Nuno 2014 Watch continues

    in aaa Shane Green through 1 IP, 1 H, 1 K, importantly 0 bb

  52. Unnamed June 22nd, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Can we sign El Duque to replace Nuno?

  53. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    You could probably add Cano to the list of minor league players whose overall stats did not translate into a perennial .300 hitter; although he did bat over .300 on several occasions during his minor league career, he never averaged over .300 at any level of the minors.

  54. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Robert Refsnyder with his first AAA HR!!!!

  55. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Mac, missed your Cano comparison, before I posted, and you are right about a player having the physical capabilities to be successful in the majors, but I don’t think the Y’s ever thought much of Cano, or McGriff for that matter; I guess the Y’s failure to adequately recognize talent predates the current FO.
    Another stat that stood out with both Cano and McGriff is that their early struggles were when they were in their teens or early twenties.

  56. 86w183 June 22nd, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    I could see Refsnyder at 2B opening day 2015. I’d like to see Pirela there tomorrow. Pirela or Wheeler should replace one of the utility guys because both hit lefties far better than anyone in the current cast. wheeler has been playing some SS lately. Maybe they’re planning a Ryan purge in order to add someone who knows which end of the bat to hold.

  57. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Bring back Damon and Matsui.

  58. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Green falling apart in the second. Little command. They said one of his fastballs was 93, but he seems reluctant to throw it. Slider on about every pitch.

  59. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    I can understand giving Tanaka the extra day but throwing Nuno in the 1st game at Boston is nuts.

  60. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    86, I just checked Refsnyder’s minor league stats and he does appear to hit well, but shows little power, needs work on his base running skills, and he needs a lot of work on his fielding. But he is only 23 and it would be great to see the Y’s start working in their younger players.

  61. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Maybe they didn’t go for the guy KC signed at 2nd for a reason.

  62. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    “You could probably add Cano to the list of minor league players whose overall stats did not translate into a perennial .300 hitter; although he did bat over .300 on several occasions during his minor league career, he never averaged over .300 at any level of the minors.”

    ——

    This feeds into what I’ve been discussing for months on this site. The concept of ceiling as having little meaning when used in connection with a minor league prospect. Cano had good tools in the minors and showed some performance, but no one ever suggested when he was in the minors that his “ceiling” was that of a perennial All Star. No one thought Mattingly would ever be more than a singles hitter when he was in the minors. Most so-called experts didn’t thinks Boggs was ever good enough to be a major league 3b or a starter of any kind.

    The best you can glean from minor league stats is a determination of the probability that a prospect is good enough to (a) have a career in the major leagues in some capacity and (b) be a starter. And that is only a probability analysis. There is no certainty.

    But once a player makes it to the major leagues there’s really no telling how far they could go. Or if they’ll be released in a couple of years. Every once in a long while a Trout or a Griffey or an Arod comes along where stardom is almost a certainty. But that’s not how the game is played.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that a .240 hitter is AA has a very small chance of having a career in the major leagues. So right now, Mason Williams has little ways to go.

  63. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Mick, with Nuno starting in Boston, the LF should just play right behind the SS.

  64. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    JimK- In Fenway you have no choice.

  65. bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    86, I just checked Refsnyder’s minor league stats and he does appear to hit well, but shows little power, needs work on his base running skills, and he needs a lot of work on his fielding. But he is only 23 and it would be great to see the Y’s start working in their younger players.

    ——

    Refs showed little power last year but excellent on base skills. Very high walk rate. This year the walk rate has gone down but power is way up.

    As a defender, apparently his range is pretty good and improving. Still needs work turning double plays though.

  66. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Girardi isn’t stupid.
    He gives Nuno the nod instead of disrupting his pen for what, 1-3 starts?
    Joe looks at the big picture.
    He can always change his mind if he needs Nuno for long relief then throw Huff and JRam.

  67. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    But he will always have “Classical Gas.”

  68. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Dan,

    No, you, absent any other information, believe minor league stats tell us the future. Of course, one must ultimately produce but ones with tools are the ones with higher futures. They need time for development.

  69. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    4 years of Infante would have held Refs back.
    They already have Arod set for next year at 3rd.
    I don’t get why ppl knock themselves out.

  70. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Jim,

    What percent of us understand your last comment? That’s probably not a generational transcendent piece.

  71. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Remember Jeff Baker? There was alot of lust to get him as the B/U 1B this offseason and much criticism for letting him slip away to the Marlins.

    Baker just got a hit against the Mets, he’s had only 114 PA’s is hitting .214, 2 HR, 12 RBI and OPS’ing .605.

  72. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Arod will have chance at redemption with Jeter gone.
    He’s got a 3 year deal where he can make it his team.
    I would love to see him do it..

  73. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Mick,

    I have never seen anyone complain we didn’t give Infante four years. They did evidently offer three so it is not as if they saw Refsnyder as an answer. After seeing some of the available second basemen, Roberts, Refsnyder, Pirela or you look better.

  74. Ys Guy June 22nd, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    again, planning for a 39 y/o two hip surgery arod to be the primary 3B is planning to fail.

  75. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    They offered him 3 b/c they knew he wasn’t taking it.

  76. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Mac, probably very few, but it was always one of my favorite instrumental songs.

  77. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Arod will have chance at redemption with Jeter gone.
    He’s got a 3 year deal where he can make it his team.
    —-
    mick you all over the place….

  78. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    They offered him 3 b/c they knew he wasn’t taking it.

    leaving everything aside then why make the offer at all

  79. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    cash-how so?

  80. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    They offered him 3 b/c they knew he wasn’t taking it.
    —–
    ?

  81. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Jim,

    I can still “play” it in my head. Perhaps, I should have saved all that space for something income producing. :)

  82. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    they mad an offer to save face.

  83. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    mick, Arod be back that we know, but it has relevance to jete.

  84. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    *little relevance.

  85. PhiltheThrill June 22nd, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Anyone who wants to trade Ian Clarkin for an old pitcher is out of their mind.

  86. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    he asked for 4 , said he wouldn’t do 3, which is what they offered.

  87. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    they mad an offer to save face.

    someone is trying to save face with this line of reasoning but it is not the Yanks

  88. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    cash- i disagree.
    arod will think its his team.

  89. JimK June 22nd, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Mac, I can definitely relate.

  90. Missing Cano June 22nd, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Anyone who wants to trade Ian Clarkin for an old pitcher is out of their mind.

    but Ian Clarkin has not trade value at least that is what is said around here

  91. mick June 22nd, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    they knew roberts wasn’t the popular choice but to them the obvious one as to who was out there and what they wanted.

  92. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Ys,

    Completely agree on AROD. As a Yankee fan I want all Yankees to do well. But, the odds a 39 year old with multiple hip surgeries who hasn’t played regularly for two years to be a productive, regular player are very high. To rely on it is a mistake.

  93. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    i am probably the only person who advocated in signing infante, I agree 4 years is length, but that’s FA.

  94. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Another Refsnyder hit. Perhaps, sooner rather than later. He has a good short swing. I haven’t seen enough action on 2B to judge that at all.

  95. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    difficult to rely on rod, injuries and age. that much are plain.

  96. Cashmoney June 22nd, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    think about it btw ryan, roberts and Da loogy, you got infante’s salary.

  97. austinmac June 22nd, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    Cash,

    That doesn’t seem plain to many here. We will see if he is the 3B plan for the team next year. I bet he is.

  98. PhiltheThrill June 22nd, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Missing Cano,

    People whine about the Yanks never drafting guys like Clayton Kershaw and when finally do, they want to trade him for injured old Cliff Lee. Craziness.

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