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Jeter out of the lineup for Toronto series opener

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 23, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

JeterThis is unfortunately one of those trips that I’m skipping this year (when we mapped it out in March, a short little three-game trip to Toronto seemed like a safe bet). Going to be interesting, though, to see how the Yankees respond after losing two in a row against Baltimore. Looks like Derek Jeter has the night off for tonight’s series opener. Carlos Beltran moves up to the No. 2 spot.

Brett Gardner LF
Carlos Beltran DH
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Brian McCann C
Kelly Johnson 3B
Brian Roberts 2B
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Brendan Ryan SS

RHP Chase Whitley

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88 Responses to “Jeter out of the lineup for Toronto series opener”

  1. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Beltran is not a # 2 hitter.

  2. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    It’s just idiotic. We all know why Girardi split up Ellsbury and Gardner but it’s just dumb. Though not as dumb as those of us who have watched this team for the last 5 years thinking he would do anything differently.

    He’s always going to break up his lefties, he’s never going to play a kid over a vet and he’s always going to go by the match-up in the pen.

  3. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    And of course, it should be pointed out that Ells-Gardner have batted 1-2 at times this year. But why stick a slumping/injured Beltran between them now???

  4. Patrick June 23rd, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Can someone get on translating Tanaka’s twitter feed? I am curious about what he is constantly tweeting about. Jpop? Probably Jpop.

  5. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    And Girardi doesn’t like answering why he does these things and when he does he’s very short.

  6. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    What the lineup should be for tonight’s game with Jeter sitting:

    Gardner – LF
    Pirela – 2b
    Ellsbury – CF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Beltran – DH
    Almonte – RF
    Johnson – 3b
    Ryan – SS

  7. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    And of course, it should be pointed out that Ells-Gardner have batted 1-2 at times this year. But why stick a slumping/injured Beltran between them now???
    ———————

    Because that’s the place in the lineup that his mentor would put players to bust them out of slumps. Torre did it all the time before Damon came over. Put someone in the 2 spot between Jeter and O’Neill or Bernie.

  8. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    In Girardi’s mind moving Gardner out of the leadoff spot is a demotion as he has been great.
    He’s still looking to make a superstar out of Ellsbury.
    He’s prolly not comfortable batting 3rd where power is expected.
    Just don’t get it.

  9. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Can someone get on translating Tanaka’s twitter feed? I am curious about what he is constantly tweeting about. Jpop? Probably Jpop.

    Mostly just info about his last start, sometimes he tweets that he will begin preparing for the next start “today” (ie throwing a bullpen). He liked that jpop lady’s haircut.

  10. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    He’s always going to break up his lefties, he’s never going to play a kid over a vet and he’s always going to go by the match-up in the pen.
    ======================
    He batted them 1-2 earlier in the season and it worked.
    It’s absurd.

  11. Madrugador June 23rd, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    The definition of Girardi: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

  12. Patrick June 23rd, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Jerkface I know you’ve been to Japan, do you know how to speak/read Japanese?

  13. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Jerkface I know you’ve been to Japan, do you know how to speak/read Japanese?

    Crappily at best. Thankfully I have lots of japanese friends who help me out.

  14. alabamayankee June 23rd, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Any lineup without Derek Jeter is a better lineup.

  15. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    I think batting Beltran 2nd is Girardi’s way of “shaking up” a lineup that is almost dead. Billy Martin used to pick the lineup out of a hat for his shake up so this is about as crazy as Girardi gets.

    I believe this “shake up” is a move that is made before the actual personnel changes. I hope so.

    I felt they should have cut Soriano a month ago and said so on this site. Just the same, I don’t know how they can expect him to hit if he plays once a week. He’s never been a platoon player and isn’t one now. Ichiro is playing too much. Cut Soriano and bring up Pirela or Almonte. Platoon them any way you want but this just is not working.

  16. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    What the lineup should be for tonight’s game with Jeter sitting:

    Gardner – LF
    Pirela – 2b
    Ellsbury – CF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Beltran – DH
    Almonte – RF
    Johnson – 3b
    Ryan – SS

    ——

    Maybe in about 30 days.

  17. hardwired7 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    “Beltran is not a # 2 hitter.”

    I think you could go up and down the lineup and make a similar case for each hitter. This lineup was poorly constructed to begin with, and I think we all knew that.

    They need fresh blood in the FO just as much as they need it in the lineup.

  18. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Bigdan is right about something –

    Platooning Soriano is an absolute waste. If you want to do a platoon in RF with Ichiro then Soriano, who is the definition of a streak hitter, shouldn’t be the other half of it. He’s not the type of player who you can call on once-a-week and expect to be productive. He’s going to go up there, hack wildly, and that will be that.

    At this point, with Soriano on the bench the Yankees are playing with a 24 man roster.

  19. ScottinSJ June 23rd, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Looking at this lineup objectively, 5 thru 9 are about as weak as a team can throw out there. Piss poor.

  20. backbench June 23rd, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Chip, Bigdan,

    Substitute Cervelli for McCann.

  21. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    backbench June 23rd, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Chip, Bigdan,

    Substitute Cervelli for McCann.
    ——————–

    No thanks.

  22. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I just noticed that the Yankees are near last in XBHs, XBH%, and XBH/H%. Thats awful.

  23. ScottinSJ June 23rd, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Not sure how you can produce runs with a catcher who can’t hit followed by four legitimate #9 hitters.

  24. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    This ‘ERA’ sucks. Baseball ERAs with severely diminished offenses are rarely interesting.

  25. andrewmelillo June 23rd, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Why wont the Ys fire kevin Long thats the first thing we do he screwed up all the hitters then we bring in wade boggss. In as hitting coach

  26. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    I think Cashman is losing patience. His msg to Girardi is, “get this fixed soon or I will.”

    My guess is it goes like this: Soriano is the first casualty. Then either Solarte gets sent down or Johnson gets cut. Favorite son Roberts is safe for awhile.

    I don’t think Cashman has the authority to cut Soriano. That’s a move that would be a product of meetings with Levine and probably Hal too. Girardi would have input as well. Maybe these meeting have already taken place.

    But the clock is running. If you remember, my clock was a month earlier but hey, I’m not in charge.

  27. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    As I said in the last thread when looking at the report out of New York about the Mets potentially cutting Eric Young:

    The Yankees need to start learning from their competition.

    Boston cut ties with Sizemore, the Mets will now eat money on Young and in both cases turn over the jobs to younger players. You can say the Mets are a cellar dweller and not in competition to win anything so sure they can “waive the white flag” and play kids but not Boston.

    The Yankees have avoided playing kids because they for some reason believe it’s the white flag of surrender to part with known veterans in the place of unknown prospects. I would say that it’s the opposite. That playing a singles hitter like Ichiro and a non-hitter like Roberts over a potential slugger in Almonte and a 24 year old who has done nothing but hit in the minors like Pirela is a surrender move.

    The Yankees often say that they don’t want to be reactionary or overreact to a situation and thus make things worse. There is a difference between over-reacting and simply reacting. Removing Roberts and Ichiro after a 3 months of ineffectiveness isn’t an overreaction. It’s just a reaction.

  28. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    sorry – should be Chris Young not Eric Young.

  29. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    My phone apparently likes baseball ERA more than the word era but i think its appropriate

  30. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    It probably wouldn’t hurt to replace Long but he’s not responsible for constructing this roster with dumpster dives and a lot of age.

  31. ScottinSJ June 23rd, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    If anything, Girardi should be losing patience with Cashman, who has provided him with next to nothing to work with. Cashman is the one who needs to “get this fixed soon.” It’s his mess, not Girardi’s.

    Strange that you can’t see that, dan.

  32. solaris June 23rd, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Roberts is gonna start hitting his PA incentives soon. As piddly as the incentives are, you’d think Hal would be kind of happy to cut the under-performing 2b before he has to open the wallet further.

  33. yankinvegas June 23rd, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Joe, please play Sori. Ichiro is useless. Did Joe forget who led MLB in homers and RBI the last two months last year?
    Alfonso Soriano.

  34. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    “The Yankees have avoided playing kids because they for some reason believe it’s the white flag of surrender to part with known veterans in the place of unknown prospects. I would say that it’s the opposite. That playing a singles hitter like Ichiro and a non-hitter like Roberts over a potential slugger in Almonte and a 24 year old who has done nothing but hit in the minors like Pirela is a surrender move”

    ——

    I think a lot of this is organizational dysfunction for perhaps inertia. To do something as seemingly simple as replacing Soriano (Remember his SO to BB ratio was 10 to 1 a month ago, if that’s not a sign I don’t know what is), people inside the Yankee organization will have to admit they were wrong. Who knows, maybe there’s even a little “I told you so” stuff going on between Cashman and Levine.

    In some ways, it was better when George was around. He just made all the decisions :)

  35. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    “Strange that you can’t see that, dan.”

    —–

    You need to read my posts more closely. In the Yankee universe, roster construction is not just one man’s job. That may be part of the problem. Maybe they can clone Branch Rickey!

  36. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    1 year/$2M (2014)

    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 1/13/14
    performance bonuses: $0.175M each for 250, 300 plate appearances. $0.25M each for 350, 400 PAs. $0.3M each for 450, 500 PAs. $0.35M for 550 PAs. $0.4M each for 600, 650 PAs

    Surely the Yankees can’t have Brian Roberts earn up to 2.6 million MORE to be so bad?

  37. PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    I hope they just let this year sort of play out and call up some kids. I don’t want them to try to trade their way into the playoffs, when they should be stockpiling for the future.

  38. alabamayankee June 23rd, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Ichiro leads the team in BA with .314. Soriano is batting .232. If either of these players is useless, it’s Alfonso.

  39. Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Ichiro is useful as a 4th OFer because, so far, he has hit over .300, has a good OBP, and can run and play defense. So you have value there. He can come in for defense, he can pinch run for anyone in a situation. If you have to have someone pinch hit he is a decent choice. He has zero power though.

    Soriano is just beyond useless. No avg, no OBP, little power this year because he can’t make good contact, no speed, no defense.

  40. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    “I hope they just let this year sort of play out and call up some kids. I don’t want them to try to trade their way into the playoffs, when they should be stockpiling for the future.”

    —–

    As long as the trades are strategic, designed to benefit the future as well as the present, I’m ok with trading prospects at the deadline. And as far as tactical trades are concerned, as long as it involves players without any real future with the club (Cervelli/Dugas) I’m ok there as well.

  41. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    We get a lineup with Jeter given a full day off and Girardi manages to not put Garder/Ellsbury back to back… Sandwiches Beltran between them, come on!

    Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 3:45 pm
    Are the Yankees going to go into next year with the plan to not play these 2 guys back to back????

    Ha ha, Girardi’s obsession with “splitting” up the lefties on full display.

  42. PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    I haven’t see Cashman make a good trade in years, and he’s a FA after this season. I’m not letting him trade any of the kids this year, because there are a few kids everyone’s gonna want and we shouldn’t trade, though he would – especially for an old pitchers like Cliff Lee.

  43. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    “Ichiro is useful as a 4th OFer because, so far, he has hit over .300, has a good OBP, and can run and play defense. So you have value there. He can come in for defense, he can pinch run for anyone in a situation. If you have to have someone pinch hit he is a decent choice. He has zero power though.

    Soriano is just beyond useless. No avg, no OBP, little power this year because he can’t make good contact, no speed, no defense”

    —–

    I couldn’t agree more. Which is why I’ve felt that an Almonte/Ichiro platoon is perfect. It gives Ichiro more rest being on the short side of the platoon, and you can still use him to pinch hit, run and play defense. A perfect 4th OF.

    But as I said the other day, I’ve said this so many times I’m even boring myself.

  44. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    mick June 23rd, 2014 at 3:56 pm
    And Girardi doesn’t like answering why he does these things and when he does he’s very short.

    Or gives a non-answer like “I just felt that was the best way to do it.”

  45. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Jerkface June 23rd, 2014 at 4:01 pm
    Can someone get on translating Tanaka’s twitter feed? I am curious about what he is constantly tweeting about. Jpop? Probably Jpop.

    Mostly just info about his last start, sometimes he tweets that he will begin preparing for the next start “today” (ie throwing a bullpen). He liked that jpop lady’s haircut.

    Check that pic, she really looks like a doll, almost artificial. Cute though.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    I haven’t see Cashman make a good trade in years, and he’s a FA after this season. I’m not letting him trade any of the kids this year, because there are a few kids everyone’s gonna want and we shouldn’t trade, though he would – especially for an old pitchers like Cliff Lee.
    ///

    Yep. He and Eppler shouldn’t be making trades.

  47. Patrick June 23rd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Check that pic, she really looks like a doll, almost artificial. Cute though.

    She looks 12 years old in that photo. She’s 25 though ..

  48. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Banuelos to the DL with blisters.

  49. austinmac June 23rd, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    I think,Girardi ought to be saying to Cashman get this fixed and not the other way around. It is not the arrangement of the furniture but the old, wobbly furniture that is the problem.

    The only complaint is not trying Almonte. Right now, he has no one on the roster to help.

  50. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    I haven’t see Cashman make a good trade in years, and he’s a FA after this season. I’m not letting him trade any of the kids this year, because there are a few kids everyone’s gonna want and we shouldn’t trade, though he would – especially for an old pitchers like Cliff Lee.
    ///

    Yep. He and Eppler shouldn’t be making trades.
    ——————–

    Then whom would you suggest make them? Randy Levine? The great mind that brought you Ichiro and Soriano?

  51. longtimefan June 23rd, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    I think Cashman is losing patience. His msg to Girardi is, “get this fixed soon or I will.”

    My guess is it goes like this: Soriano is the first casualty. Then either Solarte gets sent down or Johnson gets cut. Favorite son Roberts is safe for awhile.

    I don’t think Cashman has the authority to cut Soriano. That’s a move that would be a product of meetings with Levine and probably Hal too. Girardi would have input as well. Maybe these meeting have already taken place.

    But the clock is running. If you remember, my clock was a month earlier but hey, I’m not in charge.

    I am not a Girardi fan but he didn’t pick this woeful offense. Cashman most likely had a great deal more input on player selection than Girardi, so if you want to start some where with accountability for this under-performing group, start with Cashmab!

  52. austinmac June 23rd, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Banuelos is getting to be less likely all the time. He isn’t going to build velocity now. The team can stop babying his innings so he can help later. He is not going to help this year. I’ve watched a couple of his game on milbtv. They don’t show velocity, but he is simply not overpowering or dominating AA guys. He stuff looks, as best as I can see it, much more pedestrian that previously.

  53. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    As for Refsnyder, I’m not saying call him up now. I would watch him through July and if he is still hitting well and Roberts is still hitting like he is, I would call him up and see what he can do for 2 months. They could find out they can pencil him in for 2015.

  54. tomingeorgia June 23rd, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    To those who rag on Cashman and Eppler daily, who might you want instead (who’s not under contract to someone else, and who might want the job)?

  55. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Offer Oakland a truckload of money for Beane?

  56. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    It can take some pitchers quite a while to come back fully from TJ, I’m not worried about Banuelos yet.

  57. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    I think,Girardi ought to be saying to Cashman get this fixed and not the other way around. It is not the arrangement of the furniture but the old, wobbly furniture that is the problem.

    The only complaint is not trying Almonte. Right now, he has no one on the roster to help.

    ——

    See I don’t see it that way. Girardi is a vet-first guy and Almonte is only one example of that. His refusal to play Johnson at 2b is another example of what I think is an irrational appreciation of the vet Roberts. I didn’t think Romine was ready last year but Girardi played the veteran then as well even when the production screamed change.

    Girardi I believe is the voice in the organization that his saying we need give the vets more time to perform to their historic norms. Cashman’s few public statements suggest he’s a proponent of change. But, as I discussed above, Cashman cannot make significant roster decisions on his own. The Yanks make those decisions by committee. Hence the glacial pace of this organization.

  58. yankinvegas June 23rd, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    In relation to my prior post, I don’t love Sori, and he may well be finished, but the team is so power deficient that I think he should get one more chance.
    Ideally, I would prefer Pirela at 2b and Almonte in RF.
    The division is winnable but only with the addition of a righty power bat and two starters, CC and one by trade.
    Ian Kennedy would be my choice, but John Danks is intriguing as a lefty.

  59. ericns1 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Won’t be surprised if they get swept

  60. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    “Banuelos is getting to be less likely all the time. He isn’t going to build velocity now. The team can stop babying his innings so he can help later. He is not going to help this year. I’ve watched a couple of his game on milbtv. They don’t show velocity, but he is simply not overpowering or dominating AA guys. He stuff looks, as best as I can see it, much more pedestrian that previously”

    —–

    Yes, one of disappointments of this season is Banuelos. There was a time when he seemed like he might be a front of the rotation guy. Now he looks like he’s more suited for the back. For awhile, people were thinking TJS was super routine and players almost always came back just as good or better. That is simply not the case.

  61. tomingeorgia June 23rd, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    bbb,
    Beane wouldn’t come here. Too much scrutiny by our cognoscenti. Plus, he gets payed plenty where he is.

  62. ScottinSJ June 23rd, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:04 pm
    Offer Oakland a truckload of money for Beane?

    Who needs $200M to work with? Beane’s happy where he is, working magic with a fraction of that amount.

  63. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    What’s disappointing to me is that I feel like guys like O’Brien, Pirela, Roller and Almonte aren’t being moved around on the field to determine their versatility for the Yankees but to build their value as trade chips.

  64. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    I believe Beane also has part ownership of the A’s.

    I still say John Hart is the way to go.

  65. bbb51 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah, I think Beane likes a lot more autonomy than he would have with the Yankees. My only thought would be that maybe the Yankees brass would have more respect for Beane due to his reputation and let him run the show. But I have serious doubts Levine would stop sticking his nose in where it doesn’t belong.

  66. luis June 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Beane already turned down a huge offer from the RedSox… But our franchise has more history and panache ;)

  67. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    “I am not a Girardi fan but he didn’t pick this woeful offense. Cashman most likely had a great deal more input on player selection than Girardi, so if you want to start some where with accountability for this under-performing group, start with Cashmab!”

    —-

    I see your point but one of the advantages of sharing power is that you can’t be completely blamed when stuff goes wrong. That’s Cashman. Roster construction is done by committee in the Yankee world which is why nobody is at fault.

    That’s not good. In the George days you knew exactly who to blame.

  68. Chip June 23rd, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    tomingeorgia June 23rd, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    To those who rag on Cashman and Eppler daily, who might you want instead (who’s not under contract to someone else, and who might want the job)?
    ———————

    John Hart.

    It would mean firing Levine too because Hart won’t want to be GM – he’ll want to be president of baseball operations. But that’s fine. I would give it to him. Let him set up the system the way he did in Cleveland with Shapiro or in Texas like he did with John Daniels.

  69. luis June 23rd, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Chip,

    Good choice..Especially since we would be getting rid of two birds with one shot

  70. bigdan22 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    I wouldn’t rule out Hal making some wholesale changes in the FO at some point. I think last August was really the first time Hal decided to become a real hands-on baseball owner. But Hal is so different than is father, he’s going to do things his way. And that’s process. Step by step.

    Last August, Hal gave his management team a clear expression of what he expected going forward. Essentially, they were all put on notice. Hal isn’t just going to fire someone without fully explaining what he expects. I don’t know if he gave them a deadline but even if he didn’t, he has one in his head. And if he doesn’t see results he will make changes.

    But a process guy like Hal will go by the book regarding changes to his management team. There will be search committees and the like. I think we’ll see it coming in advance. For that reason, I wouldn’t expect any serious changes in the near term.

  71. PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    I don’t think they should make any trades unless they are old for young. And I’m fine with them doing nothing at the deadline this year. They’re not going to be close enough with the O they have, or any O thy can acquire.

  72. austinmac June 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    Any good new GM is going to want a good bit of autonomy. Levine’s presence seems to ruin that. They will probably go in house whenever they make a move. The boat will gently rocked.

  73. wanzies222 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    Quick in and out…

    Not sure if someone posted this or not, but FYI, Beltran’s best career numbers are as a #2 hitter (BA, OPS). The binder. Or is it The Binder?

  74. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    I don’t think they should make any trades unless they are old for young. And I’m fine with them doing nothing at the deadline this year. They’re not going to be close enough with the O they have, or any O thy can acquire.

    —-

    Last season was the golden opportunity to sell sell sell and actually get some value in return instead of letting them walk for jack and sh!t. This season they really don’t have much.

    We talked about it a lot this time last season that when you have “parity” in this league they will always be in a position at the deadline to go for it and continue this cycle of playing checkers with their roster with short term stop gaps because they probably won’t be bad enough to force the FO to completely blow up the team and play some chess for a change.

  75. pete22 June 23rd, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Maybe a Cashman for Cashner trade trade. Kennedy? :lol:

    Seriously, forget the future, they don’t have any sure bet game changers who are not blocked. Anyone should be made available. Biggest mistake organizations can make is overvaluing prospects, which so many teams do. Most do not amount to a hill of beans. Much of it is a roll of the dice.

    The team that improves itself the most by the trade deadline is probably the team that wins the AL East division.

    That said, I do expect the Yankees to overvalue their prospects with an eye toward their 2015 budget since they have already had a nice bounce in attendance and payroll is way down, so the playoffs are not as important to the budgets bottom line as it was last year . A trade will be made though but I suspect it will not be of the magnitude that’s needed.

  76. Against All Odds June 23rd, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Not sure if this was mentioned already or not but isn’t Hart an adviser with the Braves.

  77. PhiltheThrill June 23rd, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    GF,

    they should have or at least not used up all the draft picks on FA. But last year, Cash was not a lame duck, and this year he is, and I don’t want him making anymore trades with his craptastic trade record, and his tendency to go for guys having out of context seasons… hello Xavier Nady.

  78. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Girardi always says he plays the hand he’s dealt so if he’s not happy with it he will play it his way or the highway.
    Is this a slap at Cashman, I don’t know but if it is, Hal will eventually take notice and maybe not resign him.
    The only positive thing I can see in batting Beltran 2nd, and I doubt it will happen, is that this is a permanent move in sliding Jeter down in the order.
    Someone said Beltran’s best BA is when he hits 2nd.
    He’s not moving Gardner with the way he’s produced.

  79. charlestonchew June 23rd, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    I don’t understand constant lineup questioning sometimes. The offense just isn’t very good right now. No matter how you order these players, it’s not gonna get much better. And Pirela and Almonte are not our saviors. They will get their chances, but they are not a solution. We need real proven MLB players on this team that can hit. Or we need the ones we have to start hitting–and I’m thinking Soriano can be a big part of that. McCann, too. Things will turn around, but they need to start turning soon.

  80. Pat M. June 23rd, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    It’s been nearly 7 months since Robinson Cano snickered at The NY Yankees 7 year 175 Million Dollar offer and bolted to Seattle, but yet it’s still be spun around here daily that The Yanks were at fault. 7 months isn’t as long as the 2 years worth of nonsense we suffered through regarding the Montero trade. The only item that bumps the Cano soap opera off the front page is when Betances to the rotation is recycled, yet again….

  81. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Also, what would it take to move Ellsbury to leadoff?
    Girardi anointed him our best hitter so how would it look if he moved him out of the 3 hole.
    Weren’t we told he’s batting 3rd till Beltran got back?
    This is all about Jeter.
    I am sure if a reporter asked Jeter if he would mind batting lower or if it was discussed with Girardi that he would say if it helps the team he’d be on board.

    Maybe Chad has some insight into this..

  82. pete22 June 23rd, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    One thing I have noticed over the years is “old manager syndrome”. After attaining some success and being second guessed so often and for so long they snap. This is when managers design crazy lineups and batting orders that defy logic so that on the occasions they produce they feel it proves they still have their hidden genius even if the standings don’t agree. Baseball is random enough that these nonsensical decisions sometimes appear to pay off. When they don’t work, it had nothing to do with the lineup, just ran into a good pitcher. Manager decision, move on.

    Many top organizations in other industries cap the number of years manager level staff can stay in the same position. IMO baseball managers need to move on or move out in 5-7 years. 10 years for GM’s.

  83. mick June 23rd, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Pat M, what size suit you wear, I need to borrow one of those expensive bad boys.

  84. Yankeeclipper June 23rd, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    I think the fact that Jeter is sitting tonight is a way for Joe to put a different bat in the 2 hole to see if he can ignite the offense. I was comfortable going Gardy, Ellsbury back to back but understand that Joe likes to break up the lefties and righties in the line up. Perhaps putting Beltran in #2 hole will help. he may see more fastballs when Gardy gets on base. It may help get his bat going on a consistent basis.

    If this works, then Joe may play the hot hand and JEte bat in a lower spot in the line up. It will be hard for Jete to balk if this works well tonight

  85. pete22 June 23rd, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    charlestonchew June 23rd, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    I don’t understand constant lineup questioning sometimes. The offense just isn’t very good right now. No matter how you order these players, it’s not gonna get much better. And Pirela and Almonte are not our saviors. They will get their chances, but they are not a solution. We need real proven MLB players on this team that can hit. Or we need the ones we have to start hitting–and I’m thinking Soriano can be a big part of that. McCann, too. Things will turn around, but they need to start turning soon.
    ===============================

    You are right to a certain extent but an optimum lineup can help in the short term if you have players who are really cold breaking up your hot hitters. It can also spark a team by shaking things up as Francona found when he finally admitted to being too stubborn and dropped Swisher down in the order and Santana as well. Indians went on a run after that.

    Joe can’t control the players he has or how they hit, but he should do what he can to score more runs. McCann best game came after being dropped to 7th. Then 2-12 after being moved back to 5th. Coincidence? Maybe.

    Also agree on Pirela and Almonte, but at the same time shaking things up can spark an offense, and sometimes these kids go on a hot streak when called up until pitchers figure them out like we saw with Solarte, and the Red Sox are getting with Holt and Tampa getting with a couple of kids called up recently

    Veterans on big deals get fat and content sometimes. Sometimes they need to be shaken up
    to get out of their slumber

  86. pete22 June 23rd, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Solarte being platooned with Johnson despite being a much better hitter against RHP’ers is simply the most baffling thing I have seen since the last time Joe did it back in April/May. Love seeing Johnson in there, they need some power, and Roberts has got a few hits of late but Solarte really should be in there ahead of Roberts IMO. He is 0-28 and is due.

  87. NYY_Girl_Penny June 23rd, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    not saying cashman doesnt deserve some blame but the ignorant mob that is calling for his head is so far from reality .. How can you blame Cashman when since 2009 WS win he wasnt allowed to do anything but dumpster dive thanks to Hal focused on his budget… then when Hal released the chains in 2014, against Cashman’s suggestions they go out and sign every available free agent mot named Cano.. point is, id love to see you do your job if you were kept locked in a basement,ignored and your boss amd cronies making moves that you 100% didnt agree with..

    but i know, u guys are way too smart to waste your time thinking about the truth when you can point your finger at the scapegoat

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