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Sabathia: “Couldn’t be happier with the way I felt physically”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From his general dominance to his mistake pitch in the ninth, Masahiro Tanaka was last night’s big story. But CC Sabathia’s first rehab outing was also a pretty big deal yesterday, and since I wasn’t in Tampa, so I’ll let the Associated Press give us the details this morning. Also, it’s worth noting that before last night’s game, Brian Cashman said once again that he’s actively making calls in search of a trade partner to help the Yankees rotation. “I’d like to try and do things before those guys (Sabathia and Michael Pineda) get back if possible,” Cashman said. “But I’ve already been trying, so there’s a reason we haven’t done anything. It’s not because a lack of phone calls.”

CC SabathiaTAMPA, Fla. (AP) — New York Yankees left-hander CC Sabathia tested his injured right knee Saturday, allowing two runs and three hits over 2 1-3 innings in his first rehabilitation game since going on the disabled list in May.

Sabathia walked one and struck out two for Class-A Tampa against Dunedin in a Florida State League game. He threw 37 pitches.

“I felt really good,” Sabathia said. “I didn’t know what to expect. Obviously I want to be healthy and not have any problems, and got that accomplished.”

Sabathia gave up an infield single and a two-run double that the center fielder just missed making a diving catch on.

“Definitely need to work on my secondary pitches,” said Sabathia, whose fastball was consistently in the 87-89 mph range. “I couldn’t be happier with the way I felt physically out there. It feels good to be back out there competing. Hopefully I can get back in the big leagues pretty quick.”

The Yankees placed Sabathia on the 15-day DL May 11 because of inflammation in his right knee. It was later determined that he has a degenerative cartilage problem.

Sabathia is 3-4 with a 5.28 ERA this season, with opponents hitting .301 off him. He is expected to need at least two rehab starts.

NOTES: Sabathia applauded from the mound after a ceremonial first pitch thrown by Darth Vader on “Star Wars Night.” Turns out that Sabathia wore a Darth Vader costume for Halloween a couple years ago. “His costume was very legit,” Sabathia said with a smile. “Awesome.” … LHP Jacob Lindgren, taken 55th overall in the 2014 draft, allowed two hits and struck out two over one scoreless inning Saturday in his first game with the Gulf Coast League Yankees.

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284 Responses to “Sabathia: “Couldn’t be happier with the way I felt physically””

  1. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    We are back to the hope for CC to add velocity. He was at 87-89 yesterday. Deja vu.

  2. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Personally I’ll be amazed if CC can come back, within 3 months of having the stem cells injected into his supposedly arthritic right knee, throwing his 260 or so pound body around, and not have one iota of pain/discomfort in that knee.

    But then again, what do I know?

  3. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Not sure CC will be that much better than Nuno.

    Maybe he gives you more length on the avg. ?

    The guy they really need is Pineda and he is a long ways off.

  4. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Mac- when are we going to Paris to visit your oldest?

    86- I too would like to keep Most of those Baby Bombers also, while getting Betances back into the starting rotation.

  5. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    I don’t see any reason to expect his velocity to increase. He’s either going to learn how to pitch without it or he is going to be ineffective.

  6. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    It’s hysterical but Nuno actually throws harder than CC.

    :shock:

  7. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    MTU

    Wasn’t it on average, 30% of pitchers , make it back after significant labrum surgery on their pitching shoulder?

  8. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Maybe CC will look in the mirror and say, ” hi Frank Tanana! “

  9. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    YT,

    Not making it as he is there for only two weeks. We are considering our next European adventure.

  10. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Dave LaRoche tossing la lob ball to Gorman Thomas was priceless. There was Gorman, tring to hit the thing through my front window.

  11. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Nuno pitched better, at least in part, because he was throwing 91. Yes, he throws harder than CC. Amazing. Somehow, I am not feeling CC will be a help other than 6-7 generally ineffective innings.

  12. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    * trying

  13. andrewmelillo June 29th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Please cccc go awaYyy. Him an arod worst contract

  14. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    And by the way, w last night’s outing MT tied the record held since 73 by Steve Rogers for 15 consecutive quality starts by a rookie.

    One more and he makes history standing alone.

    My money says he does it.

    Consistency is very often an underappreciated quality because it isn’t flashy.

    ;)

  15. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    YT-

    Even less manage to regain their full form.

    :(

  16. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Wow, Frank Tanana

    Look at how many innings he pitched at age 20, his second year in the majors.

    http://www.baseball-reference......fr01.shtml

    Time to put our best Yankees pitching prospects on a fast track to New York!

  17. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Mac-

    A hiking buddy of mine is taking a European river cruise on the Danube this Fall.

    I think he gets to spend time in a number of European cities not the least of which is Prague.

    My taste in travel tends to be more, shall we say, exotic.

  18. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    i hate to say it but i have zero confidence that cc will be anything better than a slight upgrade over nuno who can go a little deeper into games. i also don’t really expect him to be able to stay healthy.

    at this point, i feel like im just waiting for the end of his contract (which never should have been ‘extended’)

  19. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Remember when Greinke went to dinner with Cashman telling him he wanted to play for the Yankees. Well, he is one of the best pitchers in baseball playing in a large market area.

    I forget. That was in the era of no 2014 contracts. That plan really was a good one. Yet, people still act as of Hal is a shrewd businessman. Why? What has he done that has been smart other than being really good at inheritance?

  20. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdyT0LHNSfg

    LaRoche and Gorman

  21. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    MTU,

    We are considering Greece and Istanbul. As I recall you have been to many places. I have to see many things before I get too exotic.

  22. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    The bottom line is that the Yankees need to have a much better 2nd half than their 1st or they will be staying home again in October.

    Not something that should be allowed to happen 2 years running.

    Ya’ feeling me Hal.

    This Division is winnable.

    ;)

  23. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Be honest now.

    How many of you watch an entire Yankee game, when Tanaka is not pitching?
    When the Yankees are losing by 3 or more runs?

  24. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    YT,

    I have never turned off so many games early. It is frustrating and aggravating to see so little offense. When we are 2-3 runs behind it generally has meant, the game is over.

  25. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Mac-

    Fortunately we did a lot of our trips when we were young and had the motivation, money, and the moxie.

    Mrs. MTU still wants to travel.

    She has her eyes on India these days.

  26. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    YT-

    For me there is little to get excited about other than MT, Betances, and used to be Solarte.

  27. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    According to those in the know, we have about a 30% chance of being a playoff team. That may be high. Hal, how many millions will you lose this October?

  28. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Kevin Long.

    Barry Bonds would be amazing.

  29. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    MTU, I’m taking a cheap holiday in me mind.

  30. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    MTU,

    India would be amazing. It is a land of a thousand cultures, I think. You should always listen to your wife.(I write that in case mine sees this.)

  31. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Yet, people still act as of Hal is a shrewd businessman. Why? What has he done that has been smart other than being really good at inheritance?

    Managed a sports and entertainment empire worth more than three billion dollars; maintaining and growing it’s valuation while achieving a good return for his partners and investors. It’s nothing to sneeze at. Building a thriving business is hard; managing it is as well.

  32. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Mills,

    I bet you have a lot of wide open spaces there. ;)

  33. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Mills-

    Mental vacations are necessary.

    And the cost is sure right.

    Mac-

    I’m trying my best.

    ;)

  34. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Watered down division and wildcards. Unless Brandon Morrow rises, I might get to the after season without a #1. Maybe though, Stroman can be a 10-1 rookie Juan Guzman.

  35. pat June 29th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Go figure. Calling someone an idiot isn’t worthy of indignation but a slow HR trot is. Unwritten rules.

  36. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    MTU, I’m taking a cheap holiday in me mind.
    ———-
    What a terrific line. :)

    I’m still laughing.

    Tonight I’ll be dreaming of Mykonos!

    http://www.tripadvisor.com/Loc.....lades.html

  37. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I need a mental vacation from the Yankees.

    It’s not everybody in the Yankees organization.

    It’s just the ownership, the general manager, the manager, pitching coach, hitting coach, training staff, medical staff, development, scouting departments.

    I’m sure the janitorial staff is pretty good. The concessions too.

  38. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Sweetspot,

    He inherited the business which had a very successful business model in existence. Those who convert $2B into $3B are less impressive than the guy who starts a successful small business.

    He got far less in his TV deal than the Dodgers or probably the Rangers. His leadership is the direct and immediate cause of the decline in on field performance which, ultimately, will hurt profits, if it hasn’t already. Every baseball franchise has significantly increased in value.

  39. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Mac, yes, I can call out, and there’s no rebound :D I actually don’t think space exists in my mind.

  40. NYY fan in NH June 29th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Waking up and remembering the end of last nights game gives me an ill feeling. Hopefully Tanaka understands the importance of trusting his catcher. That was a brutal loss last night!

  41. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    As far as I am concerned, for the right player(s), the Yankees have no untouchables.

    The idea that the Yankees are going to turn into a development Team is highly unlikely.

    The seed corn you see rarely grows into mature plants.

    At least not the way we handle it.

  42. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Pat

    In context and the heat of the moment, the term idiot by Napoli, looked like, by the expression on Tanaka’s face, that he felt the same way!

    If the Red Sox came to Cashman and wanted Teixeira for Napoli, I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. That man can hit, and is clutch.

  43. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    JJ Hardy and Lester next year.

    An interesting combo.

    Likely the direction since the Yankees seem incapable of making good trades and getting youthful replacements despite having plenty to offer.

    You hug a tree too much and you only come away w splinters.

    ;)

  44. Your Name Here June 29th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    2+ip 2ER…. sounds like CC is game ready.

  45. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    NH-

    I’m still trying to shake that one off.

    Tough loss.

  46. alabamayankee June 29th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Great to hear that CC is coming back. Just what the team needs. Another bottom-of-the-rotation starter.

  47. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Pirela, Wheeler, Refsnyder, Almonte, Garcia, etc.

    Think we see any of these guys soon and given a decent shot ?

    Don’t hold your breath.

    ;)

  48. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    YT,

    Mykonos looked very nice. We are thinking of Hydra. Any recommendations are appreciated.

  49. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Yankees seem to spend more time constructing a good BP then they do constructing a potent O.

    ;)

  50. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Kevin Long

  51. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Mac-

    If you like Archaeology you might be interested in Crete.

  52. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    The Yankees‘ run differential (currently -29) and tendency to get blown out suggest they’re a mediocre team, but they remain in the AL East race because no other team has pulled away, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes. Part of the Yankees’ struggles have to do with the fact that they have five players with at least 200 plate appearances and OPSes of .660 or lower. They acquired three of those (Brian Roberts, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran) this offseason.

  53. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Top rotation options like David Price and Jeff Samardzija are probably out of the question for the Yankees, but NJ.com’s Brendan Kuty suggests some lower-tier options New York could pursue. Among them are Jason Hammel of the Cubs, Brandon McCarthy of the Diamondbacks, and Jorge De La Rosa of the Rockies.

    if the yanks are not going to get top of the rotation targets then do not get anyone it is a waste

  54. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    MTU

    Trade for Rougned Odor and injured Jurickson Profar from the Rangers to form a new young DP combo, and yes sign Jon Lester..

  55. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Youth brings excitement. The older guys can feel it. If Refsnyder can field a ground ball, bring him up. He is having the best year in the minors for a Yankee prospect since, at least, Hughes. The best offensive year since, I don’t know when.

  56. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    If the season ended today, and every Yankee in their starting lineup were a free agent, how many do you think would not receive an offer from any team for a major league contract?

    Soriano, no way he’d be offered a major league contract. Roberts, no. Ichiro, maybe but that’s not a certainty. He certainly would not get paid as a starter. Jeter? I don’t even want to go there. Beltran? Now that’s scary. I’m pretty sure until he proved he was healthy, he wouldn’t be offered a contract either.

    So why is the team playing several players every night who wouldn’t be offered major league contracts if they were free agents?

  57. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Cano-

    You don’t have to be Holmes to have figured that one out.

  58. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    YT-

    No one really knows what is going on behind the scenes.

    Hopefully the Yankees are big-game hunting.

    Silly putty isn’t going to fix the holes we see.

  59. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    I don’t want any decent prospects to go for average pitchers.

  60. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Missing

    Also suggested was Kennedy and Lee.
    Lee bad elbow. DeLa Rosa ERA high 4′s so he couldn’t win with this Yankees offense, Kennedy pitches in Petco, Hammel pitched poorly when he was in the AL EAST, MCCarthy is homer prone, not a good trait for YS, plus all pitching the NL.

    Get some middle of the order thumpers first.

  61. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Refsnyder is hitting a TON.

    Of course he likely will only be a Sep’t. call up.

    If they brought him up he might even fail in his 1st attempt.

    My goodness we can’t have that.

    It could run him for life.

    ;)

  62. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    I concur gentlemen.

    Either get someone worth having or don’t bother.

    Or do as Dan says, let the kids play.

  63. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:43 am
    Sweetspot,

    He inherited the business which had a very successful business model in existence. Those who convert $2B into $3B are less impressive than the guy who starts a successful small business. He got far less in his TV deal than the Dodgers or probably the Rangers. His leadership is the direct and immediate cause of the decline in on field performance which, ultimately, will hurt profits, if it hasn’t already. Every baseball franchise has significantly increased in value.
    —————-
    By the same means of measurement is Donald Sterling to be applauded for buying the Clippers for $12.5 million and selling them for $2 billion? Modernity and circumstances had a great deal to do with it as did George’s run. Managing a large corporate business is much harder than starting a small one.

    The TV contract situation is an entirely different topic; cable TV is dying, some prefer to call it a bubble about to burst, and it’s more likely than not that ISP’s will replace companies like Time Warner at some point in the future. (I have two big screen plasmas at home and chose to watch yesterday’s game on my retina screen MAC with Gameday and stats galore right in front of me.) It’s a house of cards funded by consumers who are forced to pay for cable channels they don’t want. And in Houston and San Diego hundreds of thousands don’t get to see games because the local companies won’t pay carriage fees.

  64. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    You don’t have to be Holmes to have figured that one out.

    but that is what is going to happen so maybe you should inform the front office of that because they sure are not going to be acting like Sherlock

  65. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Refsnyder is hitting a TON.

    refsynder’s been hitting a ton since his Arizona days and winning the CWS MVP right around when he was drafted in the fifth round

  66. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Crete? I’ll check it out

  67. pat June 29th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    YT
    There are days I look in the mirror and think I look “fat” but my husband knows better than to say I do because some things are better left unsaid.

  68. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    I don’t want any decent prospects to go for average pitchers.

    it would be a grave mistake but what gives you any confidence they will not do it they are paying 32.5 million to a bunch of anchors in the lineup (beltran and mccann) no matter which way you “spin” it those are terrible contracts right now

  69. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Cano-

    I refuse to believe they are that dumb.

    They know the stakes better than we do.

    ;)

  70. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    let the kids play.

    that’s not going to happen it did not happen last year and the yanks decided to forgo 189 instead of taking that route come on

  71. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    I refuse to believe they are that dumb.

    They know the stakes better than we do.

    it is going to get bad i fear

    “Earlier today, Yankees GM Brian Cashman mentioned a desire to acquire a pitcher in the next few weeks, according to Brendan Kuty of NJ.com.”

  72. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    Knicks are at least making positive moves hopefully Yanks follow suit but only if it is a significant upgrade

  73. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    Cano-

    At least watching the youngsters would be exciting and might even provide a spark to the Geritol crowd.

    But yeah, they likely won’t do it till Sep’t.

  74. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Too much emphasis on run prevention and not enough on run production.

  75. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Be back in a while

  76. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Cashman should have said, “acquiring a [good] pitcher ….”

    See I fixed that for ya’ Brian.

    Keep your head on straight.

    ;)

  77. Madrugador June 29th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Crete? I’ll check it out

    I visited Santorini years ago. It was a small quiet place with a dormant volcano that once was thought to be what lead to the legend of Atlantis.

  78. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    At least watching the youngsters would be exciting and might even provide a spark to the Geritol crowd.

    But yeah, they likely won’t do it till Sep’t.

    i completely agree it would be and exciting kind of back to ’92 before it all began but i just highly doubt it when they did not trade Cano and Granderson last year that confirmed that they would not take a step back and play the kids

  79. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Mac-

    Crete is where “Minoan” culture flourished. They were the people who were the pre-cursors of
    the great Greek civilization that followed.

    Their Art and Philosophy lead the way.

  80. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Mag-

    I think the explosion of Santorini had something to do with the end of Minoan culture too as Crete was likely affected.

  81. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    At least watching the youngsters would be exciting and might even provide a spark to the Geritol crowd.
    ____________

    The reason some players are not brought up is because there is no roster spot for them, or they are not ready for the big leagues, etc. And when a player is brought up, if they turn out to be average or worse, which is surely a possibility, Yankee fans would not maintain interest. August Romine is an example. There is nothing holy about being young; there is about being good.

  82. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    Time to go and spend some time w Mrs. MTU.

    Later.

  83. G. Love June 29th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Gotta love the mantra of our team is “these guys will eventually hit” at the mid-point of the season.

    Tanaka pitched an absolute gem last night, saved the pen and gets a loss because this team can’t hit.

    And all we hear is they need pitching. If that doesn’t tell you how blind this team is to the truth, I don’t know what does.

    They are poorly run as a baseball team. The organization may be worth billions and they do some truly great charity work, but they are not well run as a team.

    The only reason we’re a stone’s throw from first is the rest of the division is equally inept. Pinning that as some badge of honor is just sad.

    Beltran looks cooked and done and clearly needs surgery. McCann should be batting 8th. Tex’s average is dropping as expected. Soriano should be DFA’d after this weekend. Solarte, Roberts and Johnson look like bench players and not starters.

    But we need to empty the system for just a starter? C’mon.

  84. MTU June 29th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Refsnyder, Pirela, Wheeler, etc. look like they can hit quite a bit better than Romine.

    He never even sniffed the #’s those guys have put up at AAA.

    The worst that happens is they fail and are sent back down.

  85. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    The reason some players are not brought up is because there is no roster spot for them, or they are not ready for the big leagues, etc. And when a player is brought up, if they turn out to be average or worse, which is surely a possibility, Yankee fans would not maintain interest. August Romine is an example. There is nothing holy about being young; there is about being good.

    simple bet Refsynder can do better than Brian Roberts right now in the majors

  86. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    any takers gets complicated when ARod comes back next year

    The Yankees are focused on acquiring pitching, but they should also consider the Diamondbacks’ Martin Prado at third base, Bill Madden of New York Daily News writes. Prado, 30, has hit just .271/.318/.368 this year for Arizona, although he still plays strong defense at the hot corner.

  87. Madrugador June 29th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Still scratching my head about being down 1 run with Beltran, Soriano and McCann due up and Ichiro is pinch hitting for Soriano?
    One swing ties it and Ichiro?!

    I know Soriano isn’t likely to do it either but…….

  88. BIG AL June 29th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I’m a supporter of Girardi, but last night, IMO, he cost the team a chance at a win, by not having Jeter bunt Gardner over to second base.

    That, coupled with Tanaka not following McCann’s choice of pitches, cost them the win.

    The real sad part of this team remains the lack of scoring, and if Cashman does anything, he best get an impact bat # 1.

    There simply must be a better choice in AAA than Soriano, please end this insanity, cut him loose, now!

  89. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    if the yanks are not going to get top of the rotation targets then do not get anyone it is a waste”

    I totally agree….they can’t get a true upgrade to the rotation as the guys they probably can get aren’t much better than what they have……so it would be wiser to focus on trying to improve the offense

  90. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    The yanks have been dressing guys up on pinstripes for 5 years and expecting them to hit like Yankees

  91. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    the lack of scoring, and if Cashman does anything, he best get an impact bat # 1.

    the yanks made their beds in the offseason with this offense to quote Norman Dale this is your team offensively

  92. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    by not having Jeter bunt Gardner over to second base.

    i agree in principle but i absolutely hate having to even bunt a would-be base stealer over to second Gardner should only be bunted over when he is on second it is on gardner to get himself to second either via a double or a stolen base from first

  93. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    I feel better about Tanakas reasoning after his post game comments…..because it sounded like he wanted to waste that fastball outside in order to strike him out on the next pitch with the split……he just missed his spot……that makes more sense…..and still Napoli hit a 96 mph fastball out when he was probAbaly looking Offspeed……that’s impressive……

    Tank pitched great…..they can’t hit

  94. BIG AL June 29th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    i agree in principle but i absolutely hate having to even bunt a would-be base stealer over to second Gardner should only be bunted over when he is on second it is on gardner to get himself to second either via a double or a stolen base from first
    *******************************************
    Gardner was thrown out trying to steal earlier in the game, not having Jeter bunt him over was bad baseball, period. Jeter has become “Captain Double Play.”

  95. pat June 29th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Anything Madden says that has any connection to Alex is suspect to me but…..

    Prado can play multiple positions so acquiring him doesn’t complicate things.

  96. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Jeter did drive in the only run they scored…..I mean it did suck that he hit into the DP but they had a lot of opportunities and did nothing. They need a bat or 3 to have a chance

  97. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 10:21 am
    “simple bet Refsynder can do better than Brian Roberts right now in the majors”

    I think you can easily make that case. I suspect they want to have him play more than 18 games at AAA though. I can see him being brought up later this season and an injury is certainly always a possibility.

  98. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Lester is a good pitcher though and he pitched well…..if it was an isolated game then I would his chalk it up to “that’s baseball” but I would guess 70% of their losses this year are because they can’t hit……

  99. G. Love June 29th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    I thought the most depressing thing was seeing the All Star game voting this morning and seeing that if the Yankees had held on to Melky & Cano, we’d have 3 All Stars including Jeter in the starting lineup plus Tanaka and probably Betances.

    I’m honestly not trying to dredge up the same old tired arguments about Cano and Melky.

    It just sucked to see 2 guys who could easily still be here doing that well and how both of those bats would help this pathetic lineup.

  100. blake June 29th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    McCann has shown some signs of coming around but beltrans injury is really killing them……they have to replace the production he was supposed to provide because if he’s playing hurt (which he is) then he’s not doing much to help and he’s actually hurting them……it’s just a killer that he got hurt

  101. G. Love June 29th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    blake,

    Removing Beltran and Soriano from this lineup is imperative. They hit in high leverage spots. This can’t keep going on like this.

    Beltran should go have surgery and Soriano should just go. If he can’t hit unless he’s an everyday guy which seems to be the excuse being floated around they have to part ways with him now. Girardi will never play someone with Sori’s splits everyday so move on.

    As for McCann, he’s been pretty awful. I do believe he’ll get better, but his signing looks like a major goof right now. That said, a lot of good teams wanted the guy so that one isn’t on the Yankees.

  102. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    G. Love June 29th, 2014 at 10:46 am
    As for McCann, he’s been pretty awful. I do believe he’ll get better, but his signing looks like a major goof right now.
    _____________

    He has not been awful. He’s been a good defensive catcher, calls good games, does his homework, the pitchers and his teammates love him and he is someone with grit and character. It was a very good signing.

    He has underperformed offensively which I attribute to his transition to a new league, city and team. It’s not an uncommon occurrence. He’s on track to hit twenty home runs, maybe more and I fully expect for him to have a much better second half. I’m sure he will be fine in the end.

  103. BIG AL June 29th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Later folks – Y’all have a great day!

    GO YANKEES!

  104. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Me too. I’m out.

    Enjoy the rest of the day.

  105. mick June 29th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Isn’t it Girardi who chastised the media with “I play who they got me?”
    Well they aren’t hitting, that’s established.
    Why not play a little small ball if you are reduced to that ?
    Is there any reason for not bunting Jeter with Gardner the winning run at 1st or is that too deep
    a question for the “We can’t Hit” crowd that pretends to know baseball.
    Tanaka deserved better last night.
    Just win the game..

  106. UnKnown June 29th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    The only reason we’re a stone’s throw from first is the rest of the division is equally inept. Pinning that as some badge of honor is just sad.
    ————

    Truth right there y’all. Instead of getting serious and trying to turn this season into something successful, the Yankees feel that because everyone else stinks we don’t have to smell to good either. C’mon MAN!!

  107. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    really do not like night games on the weekend the wait

  108. mick June 29th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    It will be interesting to see how Tanaka bounces back after last night’s brain fart.
    That was a classic humiliation he suffered and something the RS knows how to do to the NYY’s better than any team.
    Napoli called Tanaka an Idiot for the World to see…

  109. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    smh

    A source tells Cafardo, “You could argue that Hammel is the most sought-after player, positional or pitcher, in the trade market right now.”

  110. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    The only reason we’re a stone’s throw from first is the rest of the division is equally inept. Pinning that as some badge of honor is just sad.
    ————

    Truth right there y’all. Instead of getting serious and trying to turn this season into something successful, the Yankees feel that because everyone else stinks we don’t have to smell to good either.

    bullseye well said

  111. mick June 29th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    What makes it hurt even more is that Ellsbury stole the base and then went to 3rd, but it didn’t count as the mighty Tex struck out.

    This is Ellsbury’s team and he should be leading off not Gardner.

  112. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    from RAB

    RF Jose Pirela: 2-4, 1 BB – first career game in right and I don’t think it’s a coincidence … Alfonso Soriano‘s been awful all season and they can’t keep running him out there anymore

  113. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Kevin Long

  114. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Kevin Long

    Long stays as long as Cashman and company are here he is been with the org since 2004 and with the major league club in his capacity since 2007 he is grandfathered in and the organization has built-in excuses to not blame Long

    Long stays

  115. mick June 29th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    They are all too comfortable but Hal is afraid of his own shadow and fears that if any are fired the team will crumble.
    You can be sure Cash and the rest of the Yankee mgmnt crew will be here for the foreseeable future, win or lose.

  116. mick June 29th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Next years agenda:

    OK we need hitting go get a combo of 2 from Hardy, Cruz or Melky.
    Get a SP from Lester , Masterson.
    ANY other will be too pricy.

    We know what we need, go get it.

    No guarantee it will work.

  117. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Cruz or Melky.

    i just do not feel confident the Yanks will make another OF purchase after last offseason but they should

  118. G. Love June 29th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    The Yankees didn’t spend 85 million for Chris Stewart part deux. If McCann doesn’t hit, he’ll be the first to tell you he’s playing awful.

    I do think he’ll hit eventually, but he’s been a big miss thus far along with “SweetSpot’s” boy Brian Roberts.

  119. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    The Yankees didn’t spend 85 million for Chris Stewart part deux. If McCann doesn’t hit, he’ll be the first to tell you he’s playing awful.

    oddly i am less upset about McCann than I am Beltran

    Beltran no longer plays a position he is signed for two more years at 15 million and he clogs up and creates uncertainty going forward with ARod going forward as both will need time at DH next year assuming both stay healthy

    the revolving dh spot will continue

  120. Tabbert June 29th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Mccann at least provides a service in the fact that he still brings Value to a actual position. Is he overpaid, Sure. But, at least he isn’t complete dead weight. Beltran on the other hand is absolutely killing this team. Zero production, Zero position, giving us Zero roster flexibility because he cant even throw a baseball. Just brutal to watch such a great player fall so quickly. Really wish he would have opted for the surgery. It’s no coincidence that he hasn’t hit a lick since the Tampa incident. They can keep telling us he is healthy til the cows come home, but it’s painfully obvious that something isn’t right.

  121. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 9:05 am
    MTU,
    The loss was not about one pitch. Other teams will get some hits and runs. It is our continued inability to hit for any power. Hank was on it months ago.
    Somehow, Nero comes to mind.

    I would rather have been wrong about the power outage and would have settled for a band of Banjo’s playing small ball and winning with pitching but that has never been the Yankee way. The Yankees always won with power and never depended on dominanant pitching like the Cleveland Indians did when they played in a big ball park. Maybe if they had the Wildcard in those days of Bob Feller, the Indians would have gone to the World Series more times because pitching in a short series is king. I wonder if Cashman’s plan of getting rid of Murders Row and Cano was based on that theory, and he disregarded the dimensions of the Stadium. The dye was cast last year when Ichiro and Gardner started the season in the outfield, and all I did was wonder why on this blog where I could vent my frustration. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to question a power outage when it leaves us all in the dark.

  122. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    “It’s no coincidence that he hasn’t hit a lick since the Tampa incident.”
    =================================================

    game-winning HR vs. Orioles.

  123. Captain Clutch June 29th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    RF Jose Pirela: 2-4, 1 BB – first career game in right and I don’t think it’s a coincidence …
    ————–

    Please bring him and Ref up as soon as possible. I am sorry to break the news to Cashman but it isn’t a small sample size anymore with the washed up veterans. It’s time to make a move or 2 or 3.

  124. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Captain Clutch June 29th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    RF Jose Pirela: 2-4, 1 BB – first career game in right and I don’t think it’s a coincidence …
    ————–

    Please bring him and Ref up as soon as possible. I am sorry to break the news to Cashman but it isn’t a small sample size anymore with the washed up veterans. It’s time to make a move or 2 or 3.

    but the lack of years on the back of their baseball cards????

  125. 86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Here’s what I would try to do, in order:

    1. Release Soriano and Ichiro

    2. Replace them with Almonte and Pirela (release Anna from 40-man roster)

    3. Make Texas an offer for Alex Rios to play RF. Offer can include one catcher and one arm from the group of Warren/Pinder/Greene and an outfielder not named Judge.

    4. Make San Diego an offer for Huston Street or Joaquin Benoit. Benoit should be pretty cheap — something like one of the pitchers Texas doesnt take and a low level prospect.

    5. Send Beltran to the surgeon and call up Kyle Roller. Place Beltran on 60-day DL since eight weeks (56 days) is likely rehab.

    6. Break the news to Jeter that he will be batting down in the order effective immediately, at least against RHP.

    7. Trade for the best starting pitcher I can get offering Wheeler, Romine, Kelly/Claiborne and grudgingly Miguel Sulbaran.

    Whddya think?

  126. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    refs up, solarte down. works for me.

  127. Tabbert June 29th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Cano- Sure would be nice if the front office showed some imagination and took risk. This hole ” these guys are going to start hitting” logic is so backwards. Why not bring in guys from AAA ALREADY hitting. What’s the worst that’s going to happen? They don’t hit? Then we are exactly where we are today. It maddening to think how much Ref is tearing it up and still can’t get a call to the show. I mean, what does it take?

  128. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    i tihnk street or benoit are going to cost you alot. probably more than you’re getting in that trade of warren, so i dont get the point of that one.

  129. ohengin33r June 29th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    I think a lot of peoples patience with this organization is at the tipping point.

    If they do not want to field the best possible players and give younger players at least a chance everyone needs to show the FO by not padding their wallets.

    I am all for changes right now as this organization should be putting players on the field to produce and get back to the core MO of winning while not being sensitive to overpaid veteran players.

    IMHO it is time to at least give Pirela, Ref and the like a shot since their potential production can no way be less than what this offense is providing right now.

    Cut losses with Soriano and make Beltran have surgery since they are doing NOTHING at the plate. Since they are almost automatic outs why not let someone else take a chance. The results can in no way be worse.

  130. Tabbert June 29th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    “game-winning HR vs. Orioles.”

    —-

    Apologies.. I forgot about that ONE hit. :)

  131. Tabbert June 29th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    What’s the point of having internal options, if you aren’t going to use them? It’s like the minor leagues mean nothing to the Yankees front office.

  132. alabamayankee June 29th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    What is it with you Ichiro-haters? Are you not aware that he has the highest batting average of any of the regulars? Almonte and Pirela have proven nothing at the major-league level. I don’t understand this kind of fuzzy thinking.

  133. ohengin33r June 29th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    …and I am sick of hearing they are looking for pitching. They done need pitching they need run production.

    Yes, pitchers will struggle and give up runs but for the most part the pitching staff had been great.

    When the offense can’t score 1-2 runs a game how can anyone expect a new pitcher to help unless they are going to hit.

    SMH and banging into wall

  134. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    it figures that some of the lastest-dynasty fans to join the yankees world will begin falling off as soon if they miss the PS in back to back seasons. so many have never experienced that before. never had to work that through-thick-and-thin muscle group.

    its okay though, if they leave, they will come back in fairer weather (unless the Mets find that fairer weather first.) such is new york fandom.

  135. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Kevvvvin Long

  136. alabamayankee June 29th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Wouldn’t you just bet that Tanaka is thankful for his opt-out clause? Not so he can get more money, but so he can escape this dysfunctional team which is unlikely to accomplish anything of significance for the balance of the decade.

  137. RhapsodyInBlue June 29th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    My biggest concern with Soriano is his poor defense in the outfield which was on display last night. Especially in a well pitched tight game as we had last evening, Ichiro would have caught that ball.

    It would be different if his bat was compensating for his defense but that’s not happening.

    He looks like toast.

  138. ohengin33r June 29th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    Unnamed says:

    June 29, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Kevvvvin Long
    ______________________________

    Yes sir, the best career hitting coach in the league for screwing up hitters. Wish I had the time to look up stats for players before and during is wonderful tutelage to prove to the FO that he is a huge part of the reason this offensive SUCKS

  139. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Why not bring in guys from AAA ALREADY hitting. What’s the worst that’s going to happen? They don’t hit? Then we are exactly where we are today. It maddening to think how much Ref is tearing it up and still can’t get a call to the show. I mean, what does it take?

    exactly worst case you are back where you were but at least you tried something rather than waiting for 36 year olds to regain their form when nothing this season suggests they are going to revert to the back of their baseball cards whether it be b/c of injury that everyone seems to be overlooking (Beltran) just no longer has it (Roberts, Soriano) or is mentally pressing too much and might not be able to handle expectations of NY (McCann) or started well but has done nothing as of late i.e. months (Ichiro)

  140. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Wouldn’t you just bet that Tanaka is thankful for his opt-out clause? Not so he can get more money, but so he can escape this dysfunctional team which is unlikely to accomplish anything of significance for the balance of the decade.

    i can also see this going both ways the Yanks will have Tanaka probably for his best mlb years i say we use him as much as possible push him to the limit and then let the next team deal with his injuries when he turns 29-30-31 and diminished stuff use and abuse Tanaka to the limit for the next four years and let some other franchise deal with his injuries

  141. 86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    alabamayankee —-

    Ichiro’s batting average is distorted by his fast start (18-48 .375). Since then he is a .262 hitter with no extra base hits over more than 100 at bats.

    Minor leaguers NEVER have proven themselves at the MLB level… that’s no argument. There’s nothing to lose because Ichiro and Soriano have been do bad.

  142. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 9:17 am
    I don’t see any reason to expect his velocity to increase. He’s either going to learn how to pitch without it or he is going to be ineffective.

    I must comment on CC as I agree with your statement that he has to learn to pitch. Whitley, Phelps and Nuno are following the Al Leiter play book of not challenging the hitters that result in high pitch counts and an early exit. CC will have to follow the same pattern of nibbling. The result of not giving in to hitters means that the Yanks need a deeper pen of dominant arms to save the fort. They could win this way if the pen does not burn out and the starters can stay away from the center of the plate for six innings. That is a big if?

  143. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Ichiro’s batting average is distorted by his fast start (18-48 .375). Since then he is a .262 hitter with no extra base hits over more than 100 at bats.

    thank you for speaking the truth

  144. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    The result of not giving in to hitters means that the Yanks need a deeper pen

    yanks would have a deep pen for this it is just two of the guys needed for it are in the rotation Phelps and Whitley

  145. 86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    McCann is on a pace for 18-20 HR and 75-80 RBI. Not great… but he’s been far more productive than Soriano, Ichiro, Beltran or Roberts.

  146. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    McCann is on a pace for 18-20 HR and 75-80 RBI. Not great… but he’s been far more productive than Soriano, Ichiro, Beltran or Roberts.

    McCann needs to step it up w/ RISP and do better than .254 avg and .771 w/ RISP that is where it counts

  147. 86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Six of the eleven players who have the most AB have OPS below .680.

    Improving the offense is FAR more important than grabbing a starting pitcher or another proven arm for the bullpen.

    I’m convinced Pirela and Almonte would produce more than Ichiro and Soriano have. and I’m equally convinced that Beltran needs to have his surgery ASAP.

  148. Captain Clutch June 29th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Why is Soriano still on the roster? Also Roberts is another one that should go. It’s really annoying that Cashman thinks that these guys are better then the options in AAA because they did it 10 years ago. It’s time to look at what a player can do now and not what they did years ago. They are wasting these games because they refuse to give kids a chance.

  149. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    It’s really annoying that Cashman thinks that these guys are better then the options in AAA because they did it 10 years ago. It’s time to look at what a player can do now and not what they did years ago. They are wasting these games because they refuse to give kids a chance.

    another bullseye

  150. Captain Clutch June 29th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Pirela, Almonte and Ref should be up here tomorrow…

  151. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I don’t think Refsnyder playing another 20-30 games at AAA makes any difference to how he would perform. Melky and Cano, I think, skipped AAA and neither was hitting .350.

  152. yankinvegas June 29th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Call up Refsnyder. What are we waiting for? Cano had very little AAA time and he worked out. This team can’t hit.
    Soriano stinks. Ichiro stinks. Roberts is just above stink. Beltran is hurt. McCann who knows. Jeter is covered in pigeon crap. Solarte’s pixie dust has worn off.
    Phelps is a number 5 at best. Whitley is a number 5 at best. Nuno is a 4A pitcher.
    This team sucks.
    189 killed this team.
    We are the Yankees. We should never cheap out.
    This team is Hal’s gift to all of us fans.

  153. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
    In #Yankees column http://nyp.st/1m9N0VH ask can team make playoffs being good in close gms, but being 2d in MLB in losses by 5Rs or more

  154. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Alabama,

    No Ichiro hating. Ichiro reality. His OPS is .660. He hasn’t had an extra base hit since May 3rd. He has 10 RBIs. You can love that if you want, but I bet every team in the league has more production from RF.

  155. ohengin33r June 29th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Actually I do not want to see any of the “kids” called up until KLong is gone.

    I firmly believe that he will do nothing but hinder their performance by trying to change their swings and tailor them for YS as he had tried to do with all the other hitters.

    And we all know how that had worked out

  156. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Remember Almonte was up last month when Beltran was on the DL and Girardi just wouldn’t play him. Chad and others have pointed out that for whatever reason, the Yanks have soured on Almonte. I don’t think he’ll get another serious shot this year.

    And Roberts is staying exactly where he is. The only change will be Soriano. Probably in the next couple of weeks. It looks like Pirela will be his replacement unless the Yanks make a deal for Mayberry or somebody like that. If it’s Pirela, he’ll be Ichiro’s new platoon mate. So he’ll play about twice a week or less. No matter that Pirela is hitting .330 against righties this year. You know how Joe loves his traditional platoons.

  157. mick June 29th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    I believe some one just scored a GOOOOAAAALLLL, I don’t care who…

  158. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    “I don’t think Refsnyder playing another 20-30 games at AAA makes any difference to how he would perform. Melky and Cano, I think, skipped AAA and neither was hitting .350″

    The flaw in your proposal is that that would require releasing Roberts and there’s just no way the team is going to do that.

  159. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Dan,

    I agree they won’t release Roberts or anyone else. But, they should. He would, in my opinion, hit much better than .240.

  160. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    once you understand what Stick Michaels said about Hughes in 2006 it will help ease the frustration about the current Yanks and their prospects

  161. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    “86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    McCann is on a pace for 18-20 HR and 75-80 RBI. Not great… but he’s been far more productive than Soriano”

    ————————-
    better pace than cano.

  162. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
    “86w183 June 29th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    McCann is on a pace for 18-20 HR and 75-80 RBI. Not great… but he’s been far more productive than Soriano”

    ————————-
    better pace than cano.

    lol talk to me when McCann gets his ops+ above 100

    plus talk to me when McCann starts hitting .350 with RISP and and 1.000 OPS

  163. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
    In #Yankees column http://nyp.st/1m9N0VH ask can team make playoffs being good in close gms, but being 2d in MLB in losses by 5Rs or more

    ——-

    It’s a pretty good article. It suggests the Yanks are over-performing principally because of their bullpen which is responsible for the Yanks having the best record in close games. But it implies that that may be difficult to continue because of the stress being placed on the Yanks’ best bullpen arms.

    This flows directly into an argument I was making two weeks ago when I said the Yanks could improve their chances of making the playoffs the most by upgrading their bullpen. For this particular Yankee team, the bullpen is the most important unit. Upgrading the bullpen is the only way the Yanks can continue their stellar record in close games and compensate for a below average offense and average starting pitching.

    I suppose I still believe that. But I don’t think without at least some improvement in run scoring there is any way for this team to win more than 85 games. And they’ll need to win more than 85 games to make the playoffs.

    Sure the bullpen is the fulcrum. But that was the first half. In the second half, the Yanks are going to need more. A lot more.

  164. JimK June 29th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    MTU- If you are still reading the bog, last night you wrote the Y’s needed a “real bat” and a “quality pitcher” to pair with MT; I responded that anyone who believed the Y’s were going to make a blockbuster deal to acquire such a duo, must also believe in Tooth Fairy.
    My initial reasoning was the Y’s do not have anything to offer to receive a “real bat” and a “quality starter,” and you responded that the Y’s had more to offer than I realized.
    This may be true, who I do not know, maybe this kid Refsnyder, or Severino, but they are prospects and I doubt too many GM’s will be willing to part for a good batter or a quality pitcher for prospects alone, except in the case where the team knows they will be unable to sign a player soon to be a free agent.
    Assuming there are teams willing to make such a trade, who are these magical batters and pitchers, that will immediately improve the current Y’s.
    On the pitching side I can think of Price and Samardzia, but neither pitcher will help the Y’s O. Moreover, Samardzia started 17 games this year, 11 would be considered a QS, but 4 of his non-QS were over his last 9 starts. As to Price, I do not think the Rays would trade him to the Y’s, but if he they did, at least based on his June performance he would be a welcome addition, but again he does not help the O.
    As to a quality bat, I cannot think of one batter who can hit for power, average, and a well above average OPS, who any team would be willing to part with, that is unless the player is past his prime, but still has good statistics; basically this year’s Carlos Beltran.
    In closing, I still believe the Y’s made a mistake by not resigning Granderson, who was a proven HR threat at YS. And although, I agreed with the majority here on resigning Cano, I am starting to have second thoughts; Cano had over 100 RBI’s last year on a team that was supposedly more offensively inept than the current version of the Y’s, this year’s Y’s will not have one player exceed 100 RBI’s.

  165. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Refs with a double. Hitting must be overvalued by me.

  166. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    yankees kept cano in aaa for 24 games.

    refsnyer is playing in his 19th today.

  167. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    The Yankee fan part of me, just has to support the new backstop. Hitting is truly secondary behind the plate. Give me a guy who can talk to my pitchers anytime.

  168. JimK June 29th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Bigdan, I disagree, I think 85 wins will be win the AL East this year; the problem is I do not see the Y’s reaching this total, especially given the fact that they have scored 2 or fewer runs in 30% of their games played this year, and the only reason they are even over .500 is because of Tanaka’s great start.

  169. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    I never heard anyone talk about any Yankee catcher as these pitchers praise McCann. He needs to hit better, but he does provide value.

  170. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Refs with a double. Hitting must be overvalued by me.

    —-

    Indeed. We’ve seen how well the “pitching is the key to the kingdom” philosophy has worked for this team the last 2 seasons.

  171. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    yankees kept cano in aaa for 24 games.

    refsnyer is playing in his 19th today.

    —–

    But this is a front office that still sees starting pitching as their most glaring need and also one who doesn’t rely on young kids unless they have no other choice.

  172. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Pitching is the most important asset for a team. The value of getting seven innings of three runs or less from a starting pitcher cannot be over emphasized.

  173. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    This front office and ownership would prefer young cost controlled players. What they really want and rightly so are good players. If you play well like the chances you stick. If you don’t like Romeyn you won’t. It’s that simple. Anyone who suggests that the Yankees front office has something against ballplayers because of their age is giving voice to one of the most amazingly absurd things I’ve ever heard.

  174. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Like Betances – Romine

  175. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Bigdan, I think that your option of upgrading the pen is the only way to go at this point. The starters have to nibble for six innings not challenging the hitters, and then the pen takes over. I would have preferred a Betances as Koufax and Tanaka as Drysdale scenario, but the Yankees will not gamble with the only strength they have, so this means that Girardi will have to concoct a Stanton, Nelson, Rivera and Wettland type of setting and add three more dominant relievers to close the deal on alternate days. It seems almost impossible to juggle pitchers this way, but with this offense and starting pitching, I do not see any other way to go. Think 2nd Wildcard!

  176. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    The value of consistently scoring more than 4 runs a game also can’t be over emphasized.

    Offense is what carries a team during the grind of the regular season.

    You need balance, but it’s obvious this team is anything but balanced. And it was easily predictable.

  177. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    This front office and ownership would prefer young cost controlled players. What they really want and rightly so are good players. If you play well like the chances you stick. If you don’t like Romeyn you won’t. It’s that simple. Anyone who suggests that the Yankees front office has something against ballplayers because of their age is giving voice to one of the most amazingly absurd things I’ve ever heard.

    this argument falls apart b/c right now Refsnyder can help this team and he is in aaa once you accept this then any of theories about the Yanks conservative nature against playing younger players (i.e., taking so long to figure Betances out at the beginning of the season even) then it is is not amazingly absurd

    amazingly absurd is staying with Roberts because he was “once” good with the O’s

  178. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    I just witnessed Refs actually fielding a ground ball and throwing a guy out at the first. Now, can we bring him up?

  179. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    What I find amazingly absurd is how someone can find no fault in an organization that spends $210M+ for a .500 team.

  180. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    The value of getting seven innings of three runs or less from a starting pitcher cannot be over emphasized.

    those are cy young stats you are lucky you get one of those guys last year’s al cy young winner did not even average 7 innings

  181. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
    What I find amazingly absurd is how someone can find no fault in an organization that spends $210M+ for a .500 team.

    there will be no criticism this year as long as the AL Least continues to be what it is it is the mantra that will keep everything going we are only ____ back it is what ruined them last year too when anyone could see the Sox, Tigers, and A’s were all better teams that would destroy the Yanks even if they made it to the playoffs in 2013

    the fact that they committed to a 189 plan for several seasons and then did a U turn in one offseason is the absurd thinking that they could just flip a switch in one offseason and still compete

    it is not absurd it is arrogance

  182. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    You don’t know Refsnyder can help the Yankees he’s never had one at-bat in the major leagues. He may turn out to be a future Hall of Famer three maybe a total bust time will tell when the time is right he will get his chance. There is no rush this is the same kind of talk that went on with Betances the beginning of this year and it worked out just perfectly. Cash and Gerardi know exactly what they’re doing when it comes to integrating players. There’s no rush.

  183. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Kevvvin Long

  184. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    The value of getting seven innings of three runs or less from a starting pitcher cannot be over emphasized.

    That’s what you’re shooting for you want your starting pitcher to give you at least seven and to have an ERA in the threes. It’s not going to happen every time but that’s the goal

  185. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
    You don’t know Refsnyder can help the Yankees he’s never had one at-bat in the major leagues.

    it is decision time and there will be one side that is right and one that is wrong you either advocate for Refsnyder to come up or go with he cannot perform in mlb you have to choose as side and cannot sit on the fences b/c if he comes up in another month and ends up playing better than roberts and you sit on the sideline against advocating for him than the fan that does this is just as culpable as the yankees FO that took so long figuring it out

  186. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    you guys are getting a little crazy about refsnyder. give them a minute, the guy got to AAA last week.

  187. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    I’m on the new blood side.

  188. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    you guys are getting a little crazy about refsnyder. give them a minute, the guy got to AAA last week.

    refsynder is but a symptom of a larger problem he is a test case the lines have been divided you are get rid of Roberts and go with Ref or stay the course it is decision time

  189. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    drop roberts and keep solarte on the mlb roster when he’s got options?

    i dont get that. like it or not, roberts and johnson are right now giving the yankees alot more than solarte and it’s been that way for weeks.

  190. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Refs walks the second time up laying off some decent pitches. He looks very capable as a hitter. Short stroke. Good idea of the strike zone. He hits to all fields.

  191. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    refsynder represents a willingness to be proactive to change and not wait around on arbitrary dates est. long ago by mlb rules and tradition oh activity does not heat up until after the All Star break cannot make a trade before we are still having our scouts out there bs

    constantly working the problem and being proactive you either get busy living or get busy you know

  192. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    But, he hit last year. He hit great in AA this year and is hitting .450 for his last 75 at bats. We can’t score. Every team would bring him up. The Red Sox brought up another 21 year old. Why the heck not? It wouldn’t kill him.

  193. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    what bunch of b.s. ‘what he represents’ is one guy who might or might not be an upgrade for this team now. the rest is pure bunk.

  194. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    But, he hit last year. He hit great in AA this year and is hitting .450 for his last 75 at bats. We can’t score. Every team would bring him up. The Red Sox brought up another 21 year old. Why the heck not? It wouldn’t kill him.

    he also has a strong pedigree he went to a good college program was a CWS program twitter feed says he is constantly going over tape all of this to replace Roberts

    again it is not a cure but the lack of Ref is a symptom and begs the question are these the guys you want running the show with such a high payroll at their disposal and the greatest cash reserve in MLB

  195. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    what bunch of b.s. ‘what he represents’ is one guy who might or might not be an upgrade for this team now. the rest is pure bunk.

    total bunk not pure unrefined bunk but total bunk when they call up young pitchers it sends a signal to all other pitchers they have a chance

    of course it represents being proactive of ADMITTING hey we made a mistake with Roberts and some others (like when they held onto Josh Phelps for too long b/c they were afraid of losing him b/c he was a rule 5 choice)

    the fact that it could improve the team and not try b/c it is not as if Roberts is doing anything else shows the symptom that is at case

    you have made your decision with Roberts over Refsnyder and it is duly noted history will be the judge

  196. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    if the guy keeps hitting, he’ll come up, and i’d say pretty soon, like in the next 3 weeks.

    you’re making sound like a crime that they want him to spend a whole month in aaa.

  197. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    I am up North for the summer and would love to attend and watch meaningful games for as long as this team remains competitive. Last year, when I went back to Florida, the 2nd Wildcard was beyond the Yankees grasp. This year the way this team looks, I would take that one game in October hopefully with Tanaka on the mound without hesitation.

  198. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    ok you have made your choice of roberts over solarte it is duly noted. history will be the judge.
    ======================
    what dramatic crap. you make it sound like we just signed off on the division of germany. its baseball…

  199. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    if the guy keeps hitting, he’ll come up, and i’d say pretty soon, like in the next 3 weeks.

    you’re making sound like a crime that they want him to spend a whole month in aaa.

    for it is for if Resnyder can help improve the team and the yanks delay that improvement and it causes them to lose one more game than they could have one that it is a crime and sitting idly by and saying oh give him another month b/c that is what the Yanks want to do and maybe by 8/1 he will be ready that loss of a game is on you too

    no if Refs comes up here in July and helps the Yanks it will be a major indictment that he should have been called up earlier b/c he is the same darn hitter that he is now than he will be in 3-4 weeks this guy has been a professional since being in a top notch college program and winning the CWS MVP

  200. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    mike trout couldnt hack mlb his first go. oh and some guys named mantle and mattingly.

    but its just not possible that rob refsnyder isn’t all that and the chips.

  201. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    ok you have made your choice of roberts over solarte it is duly noted. history will be the judge.
    ======================
    what dramatic crap. you make it sound like we just signed off on the division of germany. its baseball…

    first it was meant to be Roberts over Refsnyder

    history again will be the judge and the losses will not only be on the Yanks but you too as well

    again Refsnyder is but a symptom more changes can be needed but the Yanks continue to twiddle their thumbs and not be proactive relying on the mantra the Yanks are in a crap division no one is running away from it guys will start to perform and we are looking into start pitching via rumors

    heck the Yanks are going to need more bullpen arms because unless they get a big arm like Price, which i doubt, any pitcher they are going to get like hammels will be just another 6 inning guy that the pen will have to pick up in close games because the offense cannot score competently

  202. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    mike trout couldnt hack mlb his first go. oh and some guys named mantle and mattingly.

    but its just not possible that rob refsnyder isn’t all that and the chips.

    you have made your decision and that is fine BUT if Refsynder comes up and contributes it is on you and the Yankees for delaying but he is the same hitter he is now that he will be when called up later in either late July or August there is not that much of a dramatic change that will go on not when he is already hitting above .350

    time to make a stand you are either for Refs being over Roberts immediately or staying the course again your decision is duly noted

  203. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    There should be a Yankees game this afternoon. Not a single weekend day game should be illegal.

  204. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    “first it was meant to be Roberts over Refsnyder”
    ===============================
    you chose to cut roberts lose and keep solarte on the roster was my point. i said im fine with refsnyder coming up and them optioning solarte down.

    so you see, i chose refsnyder over solarte, not roberts, you choose refsnyder over roberts.

    AND HISTORY WILL BE YOUR JUDGE!

  205. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!

  206. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    heck the Yanks are going to need more bullpen arms because unless they get a big arm like Price, which i doubt, any pitcher they are going to get like hammels will be just another 6 inning guy that the pen will have to pick up in close games because the offense cannot score competently

    Cano, that sums up theYankee dilemma in a nut shell. How long can you depend on the calvery when the starters can’t hold the fort?

  207. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Who said it’s decision time you? You’re a blogger. Cashman and the baseball operations people and Girardi decide what goes on with the Yankees not you. There’s no time deadline. When the front office decides that the possibility of rewards outweighs the risks hell come up until then he won’t.

  208. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    OH, but we can’t send solarte down because of what he represents.

    youth over old guys
    the pepsi generation
    all that is good in america

    forget about him hitting .200 for 2 months…

  209. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    If they decide tomorrow is the right time. I support it and hope he becomes an all star. But if they decide it doesn’t happen until 2015 so be it.

  210. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Solarte down, Refs up.

  211. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Sweetspot,

    We all, including you, are entitled to our own opinions. Considering the decline of the team, and contracts etc., is questioning decisions of the team so wrong? Many, many people on this board have been predicting this scenario and proposing alternatives for several years. Many have been correct.

  212. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Oscar Taveras, who’s been tearing up AAA all season and is consensus #3 prospect in all of baseball got called up last month by st louis, (often called the best organization in baseball) and hit .179 and got sent back down.

  213. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Ys,
    That’s happened to Mantle and a lot of other guys in the Hall. It’s what a good team does.

  214. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    austinmac says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:54 pm
    Sweetspot,

    We all, including you, are entitled to our own opinions. Considering the decline of the team, and contracts etc., is questioning decisions of the team so wrong? Many, many people on this board have been predicting this scenario and proposing alternatives for several years. Many have been correct.
    ————–
    Of course it’s right to question, anything and everything. But it’s the incessant same old, same old repetitive negative bashing over and over and over again. And ludicrous comments like the Yankee front office doesn’t like young players. As if they’re conspiring to prevent them from playing in the big leagues if they would help the team win. That’s preposterous. This is déjà vu Montero all over again.

  215. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    There should be a Yankees game this afternoon. Not a single weekend day game should be illegal.
    ==================
    No. It’s Yankee Bahstaahn , that’s why..

  216. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Mister mick,
    I bet the ratings for an afternoon game would be higher than tonight’s will be. They’ll be down by at least one person, anyway.

  217. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Romine got his shot didn’t he? So did Betances. Solarte and Nova and Gardner etc. etc. etc. And Warren and Phelps. My contention is there are reasons why the Yankees don’t rush somebody to the show. They could be a number of things physical, baseball sense, psychological, evaluations and the determination that more seasoning is needed, etc. And that playing every day is in the long run much more valuable than being a bench or part-time player in the Bronx. There’s no rush.

  218. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Of course the Yanks got Roberts to keep it warm for Refs.
    Give it a rest..
    Why bother with Infante when you have Refs.
    It’s quite simple.

  219. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    There are no guarantees how any player would do when called up. Sometimes it takes a failure to have success. Refsnyder looks to my eyes offensively to be a very solid hitter. We need hitting badly. If he failed, he would learn. This is a bright guy who has played in pressure and succeeded. I see no real downside.

  220. Pat M. June 29th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Steve ( wanzie) …Played the back 9 this morning with a few gents who work in the industry and said that they hear that Cashman doesn’t want to include a minor leaguer in the trade for a starting pitcher from the NL……Have you heard anything about this and any idea who this kid would be ?????

  221. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Mr Tom,
    They don’t care about the Average Joe they want their big buck tv ads .
    Don’t know why they have ads anyway, Nobody’s watching but I already had my nap
    so I’m good.

  222. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    And for the record I criticize the Yankees plenty. I’m no fan of Randy Levine, I’ve questioned Hal’s interference sometimes, I didn’t like A Rod’s deal or Sabathia’s latest extension. I also didn’t care for the old draft philosophy of high risk high reward prospects.

  223. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Yanks are playing it right. As long as they’re still in it , they can take their time with the Rooks.

  224. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    I’m all for reinvention if you are basically the same team/person.

  225. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    mick,
    I’m off to take mine now.

  226. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    tom,
    enjoy.

  227. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    missing, and others have decided that refsnyder should be up in the majors. which is fine and understandable.

    but think about it, this decision came to them within the last week to 10 days. just that quick,within the week in most cases, it has become negligence and even nefarious sabatoge not to already have him up here.

    one week.

  228. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    i think a guy like Mac needs a nap..

  229. SweetSpot June 29th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Refs played about 18 or 19 games in AAA I think. Wouldn’t it be smart to let him play every day and see how he is doing after 30 or 40? What’s the harm?

  230. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    one week?
    thiings here change from game to game.
    blowout tonite we stink.
    we win-silence.

  231. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    No harm. If they are sure of him he will be up and we will be alive.

  232. mick June 29th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    i hear women moaning in the other room.
    must be the tennis match.

  233. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Thurman is in the hall.

  234. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    The harm is, of course, he might help win some games and get experience. What’s the harm of using our best current minor league asset?

    Almonte just hit a very long homer. Yes, left handed.

  235. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Pat M.,

    It has to be Severino they don’t want to move. That happened in a hurry.

  236. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    yesterday someone was crying about how beltran hasnt hit since whenever and i just threw in that he won the game against the orioles last week with a homer, which was met with scorn and a mention of his WAR.

    so, a statistical representation of how many games a player might win in a theoretical season, all other things being equal is more important than actually winning a ballgame that really happened and counted in the real standings.

    im not anti stats but keep them in their place please.

  237. wanzies222 June 29th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Hi Pat -

    Steve ( wanzie) …Played the back 9 this morning with a few gents who work in the industry and said that they hear that Cashman doesn’t want to include a minor leaguer in the trade for a starting pitcher from the NL……Have you heard anything about this and any idea who this kid would be ?????

    —-

    I’ve heard a lot of that kind of talk, but that’s pretty normal right before a trade. Scouts I listen to say nothing is coming out of Yankeeland, so presumably your whispers are coming from the NL side.

    Depending on which team you are hearing it from, I’m pretty sure we can narrow it down.

    Short answer: yes, there are a couple of trades that are being held up because the ransom is too high (so says one side or the other).

    Ownership will likely intervene if it goes on much longer. NYY SP is about done, innings-wise.

    Steve

  238. wanzies222 June 29th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    SWB RailRiders ?@swbrailriders 6m
    Zoilo Almonte puts the RailRiders on top with a three-run tater. It’s 4-2 SWB

  239. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    thurman is not in the hall.

  240. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    I’m very disappointed that Maple Leaf Gardens is no more, ” Toronto goal scored by…

  241. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    taking potential trade chips ‘off the table’ in june is a time proven way of getting them ‘on the table’ at the end of july.

  242. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    YS, I know, how can somebody put Fisk and Bench in there and not Munson?

  243. NYY fan in NH June 29th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Refsnyder cannot be ignored no more Cashman!!!

  244. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    there was actually a movement to put thurman in the hall the summer after he died, but it didn’t happen.

    the #’s just aren’t there and while he died young, a catcher at age 32 wasn’t likely to reach HOF #’s.

  245. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    bench is a no doubt about it HOF’er.

  246. Jerkface June 29th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Ys Guy,

    Beltran has hit .164 .235 .315 .550 even with that HR since coming off the DL.

  247. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    it is out of control now 2 more walks today for Refsynder today and a .367 ba avg

  248. Pat M. June 29th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Steve…..One work’s for Tidrow’s club and the other is an evaluator for White Sox…. I shot a miserable 46 but cleaned up with a birdie that was worth 4 skins on # 17

  249. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Jerkface June 29th, 2014 at 3:56 pm
    Ys Guy,

    Beltran has hit .164 .235 .315 .550 even with that HR since coming off the DL.
    ==========================
    he’s been off the dl for 3 weeks and won one game in that time.

    if you won a game every 3 weeks you’d win 9 game in the year

    im sure that wouldn’t work out to a 9 WAR though….

  250. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    30 or 40? What’s the harm?

    if we lose another game while he is down there and then comes up and performs and helps them just win one more game than if they did not have him there is your harm

    your choice is duly noted stay the course

  251. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    yesterday someone was crying about how beltran hasnt hit since whenever and i just threw in that he won the game against the orioles last week with a homer, which was met with scorn and a mention of his WAR.

    beltran has cost the team far more than he has helped this team win this year

    no he should have had the surgery and then the replacement cost/opportunity cost of getting a new player would not be so high each game

  252. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    30 or 40? What’s the harm?

    and Refsnyder is going to be the same hitter in 30 or 40 games that he is now

  253. Jerkface June 29th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    if you won a game every 3 weeks you’d win 9 game in the year

    im sure that wouldn’t work out to a 9 WAR though….

    Of course it wouldn’t, because all of those wins require so much more to happen in them besides ‘Beltran getting a hit’ and of course those ’9 wins’ are not compared against anything except 0. How many game winning RBI would an average player have at Beltran’s position? Or a replacement player? If Beltran hits .190 from here to the end of the year, and yet he gains some game winning RBI in that span, is he really the one winning those games? More importantly, how many MORE would he have if he was any good at hitting?

  254. MG June 29th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    I rarely, if ever, have engaged in playing general manager for the Yankees but the current team is so boring to watch it’s pretty obvious they will not be in the playoffs unless things change.

    So, if I was the Yankees GM and manager, here is my plan:

    Phase 1: Now through All Star game (2 weeks):
    -Play Soriano almost every day to see if he can contribute for the rest of the year; if he gets going he can carry a team. If he continues to be awful, cut him.
    -Trade Ichiro for anything you can get; he has played well but really can’t help an offensively challenged team score runs at this point in his career.
    -Play Kelly Johnson every day at 3rd; he’s showing signs of waking up and his splits aren’t really that bad
    -Give Beltran 2 more weeks to get going; if not, let him have the surgery and be ready for next year.

    Phase 2: Post ASB-Trade deadline
    -Bring up Refsnyder and play him everday; cut or trade Brian Roberts
    -Depending on Beltran/Soriano status, bring up at least one outfielder (Almonte) and play him in a platoon with possibly Pirela or another pickup (or Soriano in a more limited role)
    -Probably option Solarte (I really like him but he just isn’t hitting and hasn’t been) and plug in another infielder either from the system or by trade

    Phase 3: Trade Deadline
    -If Refsnyder performs (or seems to be performing), keep him at 2nd regularly
    -If Johnson is performing, keep him at 3rd regularly
    -If Refs doesn’t cut it, move Johnson to 2nd and trade for a big league 3rd baseman, maybe it will be Headley, maybe someone else
    -If Almonte doesn’t cut it, you need another outfielder, find someone who can contribute for the rest of the year, it wouldn’t take much to replace the current RF production

    The Yankees won’t win or lose the division in the next two weeks and could catch some lightning in a bottle with Johnson and Soriano; if not, they will probably play at or near .500 for the next dozen games and at least have given themselves an opportunity.

    There probably is a need for a starting pitcher since Whitley and Nuno are suspect (I like Whitley but he’s never been a starter before) but they shouldn’t give away the store for one; they need to find out what CC will bring when he gets back as well. I doubt Pineda factors into the rotation for the rest of the year, too many setbacks so far and it will be late August or September before he’s likely ready for any major league innings.

  255. austinmac June 29th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Another hit for Refs, FWIW.

  256. wanzies222 June 29th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Hi Pat,

    At least you salvaged part of your day…lol.

    I had heard a couple of whispers about SF, but it was for a 3-way.

    Steve

  257. Captain Clutch June 29th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Bring up Ref and give him a chance. What is the worst that happens he hits .250 – .260? Which would be better than the manager’s pet Roberts. Roberts is hitting .237 and over his last 35 at bats .229. It’s really annoying that the organization is so scared of change and anyone under 35.

  258. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    KEVIN LLLLLLONG

  259. Unnamed June 29th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Whats the harm of letting Refsnyder play another 20 games in AAA?

    The harm is we’re seeing Alfonso Soriano almost every day among other trash in the lineup.

  260. UnKnown June 29th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Hey look the Jays and O’s both lost today so the Yanks can lose too and everything is just great. WHEW!! :roll:

  261. Hankflorida June 29th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    The Yanks could play Solarte at 2nd instead of Roberts as he has six home runs. Johnson could play 3rd and Soriano could play everyday with the hope they could take advantage of the Stadium. As the weather warms, Ellsbury could regain some of his 2011 long ball form to go along with Text, McCaan and Beltran. If that happens, we can have a team similar to a few years of Murders Row without Cano. To quote from a song of my youth, “I Can Dream Can’t I!”

  262. mick June 29th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    In a battle between the unknown and the unnamed, who would win?

  263. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    MG, good call!

    im with you on everything there. my only tweek would be that i’d move solarte down now and bring someone up in his place.

    otherwise im on board with all 3 phases.

    i mentioned yesterday that despite how ichiro doesn’t fit this team, he could bring back a lil sumptin from a contender. if i were a gm on a contending team who needed veteran OF/bench depth, i’d be calling cashman on ichiro.

  264. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    seattle might could use a guy like ichiro for a pennant chase…

    might could sell a ticket or two up there, too…

  265. bbb51 June 29th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Does any team need a 2nd baseman badly enough that Roberts would be an upgrade for them?

  266. JimK June 29th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    During the Y’s current schedule of 15 games against AL East opponents, they are 6-5, but have lost their last 2 series, and with Whitley going against Lackey tonight there is a strong possibility that they will lose their 3rd series in a row, especially since in his last 3 starts against AL East opponents he has given up 3 earned runs in 21 innings.
    TB is supposed to be an easy opponent but they seem to play the Y’s like they still lead the AL East. After Tampa the Y’s, have 4 games against the Twins, followed by 4 games against Cleveland; their final series before the ASB is against the O’s.
    Their record at the ASB should be very telling, and may determine what the Y’s roster looks like after the ASB.

  267. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    mickn listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Amazing band. I would have told them all not to get on that plane!

  268. MG June 29th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    MG, good call!

    im with you on everything there. my only tweek would be that i’d move solarte down now and bring someone up in his place.

    otherwise im on board with all 3 phases.

    i mentioned yesterday that despite how ichiro doesn’t fit this team, he could bring back a lil sumptin from a contender. if i were a gm on a contending team who needed veteran OF/bench depth, i’d be calling cashman on ichiro.
    ————————
    YS, they could move Solarte down now but he can play major league defense at both 2nd and 3rd, do they have someone else ready to fill in like that for the next two weeks?

    As for an Ichiro trade, they should respect him and send him someplace he can either help or back to Seattle, he’s going to the HOF and deserves that. Whatever they get for him will be worth it.

  269. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    ” mickn ” I messed it up!

  270. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    MG, great to see you, I’ve got ” the River ” ’round here. Saw Springsteen at Exhibition Stadium. Sold out!

  271. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    my fantasy team really needs king felix to win today (to move into a first place tie)

  272. MG June 29th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    jmills June 29th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
    MG, great to see you, I’ve got ” the River ” ’round here. Saw Springsteen at Exhibition Stadium. Sold out!
    —————————-
    mills, hope you liked the show-I saw him on his latest tour, was 1st row in front of the stage in Fort Lauderdale, unbelievable experience.

    Saw him again 2 nights later in Tampa as well, he rocked the house…

  273. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Mookie Betts was called up after 23 games in AAA hitting .322

    Refsnyder has played now 19 games in AAA and is now hitting around .377

  274. bbb51 June 29th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
    Oscar Taveras, who’s been tearing up AAA all season and is consensus #3 prospect in all of baseball got called up last month by st louis, (often called the best organization in baseball) and hit .179 and got sent back down.

    Taveras has a .872 ops in the PCL (last year.803). He hit .189 in only 11 games, 40 pa in the majors, not much of a chance.

    Refsnyder has a 1.090 ops in AAA in a league not good for hitters.

    Not a good comparison.

  275. jmills June 29th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    The least I could do for Lynyrd Skynyrd, take care, when you’re in trouble, one of us is going to help.

  276. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    not it s not a good comparison because teveras is by far and away the better prospect.

    but the point that really good hitters in the minors who get promoted don’t always hit like people expect them to is as valid as ever.

  277. blake June 29th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Play Free Bird!!!

  278. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
    Oscar Taveras, who’s been tearing up AAA all season and is consensus #3 prospect in all of baseball got called up last month by st louis, (often called the best organization in baseball) and hit .179 and got sent back down.

    yeah yeah and Gregory Polanco is doing well we can play this game all day your choice is duly noted for the record

    http://www.baseball-reference......gr01.shtml

  279. Missing Cano June 29th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    the basis for the Yankees sticking with Roberts is that he has done it before and that players normally revert back to their career numbers

    this way of thinking is a symptom of larger systemic issue with the club

    Refsnyder is just but a test case

  280. bbb51 June 29th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Frankly the rankings don’t mean squat. They also consider defense. This team needs hitting.

    Taveras’ ops is only 31st in the PCL.

    Refsnyder had the 7th highest ops in the the EL (AA) and his ops in the IL (AAA) would be #1 if he were qualified.

  281. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Refs has struck out.

    I thought that might be news. I believe his OPS in AAA is still over 1.100 in over 60 ABs.

    Homers today for Judge, Williams and Almonte.

    I say, that on days other than when Tanaka pitches, we devote the whole blog to the minor leaguers. At this point, I’d rather watch Mason Williams than Soriano. I’m fairly confident if Williams were the majors now he’s out-hit Soriano. Maybe Roberts too. And he’s like my 10th favorite Yankee prospect.

    I have to confess this. I’ll be more interested in Mookie’s ABs tonight than half of the Yanks. And that includes Jeter.

  282. Ys Guy June 29th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    “yeah yeah and Gregory Polanco is doing well we can play this game all day your choice is duly noted for the record”
    ——————————
    you forgot about the judgement of history part…

    need i post mike trout’s # before he got sent down? or mention how bad don mattingly looked when i saw him play before he got sent down?

    i allow that he might help or might hurt the yankees. my stated preference is that the yankees bring refsnyder up sometime soon and send solarte down.

    the difference is that all of a sudden, those who have decided in the past what….week, .. 10 days maybe, that refsnyder HAS TO BE PROMOTED, act like its not even possible that he won’t help the team. and that this shows some kind of incompetenmce. or that its not possible that a kid with shaky defensive skills needs a few more weeks to reach an acceptable mlb level defense.

    i allow that many of these possibilities are possible at least.

  283. bigdan22 June 29th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    I’m just really tired of watching old men try to play this young’s man’s game. If Trout were on the Yanks, I’d move back to NY and watch him play at the Stadium every game I could.

    I’m tired of farewell tours, the back of baseball cards, old pitchers trying to re-invent themselves. I like it when a good hitter calls a great pitcher an idiot after he takes him deep to win a game. Or when Solarte runs to first after a walk because he probably thinks that’s maybe his last chance to run on a major league diamond.

    That’s the good stuff.

  284. JimK June 29th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    I would think if the Y’s had any prospects who they believed could turn the team around offensively they would be here now.
    The back of the BB card routine is getting tired, especially when the players Girardi is referring to are in their late 30′s.

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