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Pitching matchups vs. Rays

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Phelps

Tonight
RHP David Phelps (3-4, 4.35)
vs.
RHP Chris Archer (4-5, 3.29)
7:05 p.m. YES Network and ESPN

Tuesday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (5-5, 4.23)
vs.
LHP David Price (6-7, 3.63)
7:05 p.m., YES Network

Wednesday
LHP Vidal Nuno (2-4, 5.42)
vs.
RHP Jake Odorizzi (3-7, 4.14)
1:05 p.m., YES Network vs. MLB Network

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250 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Rays”

  1. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Opposing teams definitely seem better positioned to take advantage of our park than the home team. We don’t have RHed bats that can poke the short porch. Our best left handed bats have little power.

  2. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “He is not so good when you want to say… infuse youth into your team.”

    he was pretty good at managing a very young team in Florida……I think any manager would have a rough time infusing youth into a club filled with AARP members who has no farm system to speak of that’s ready…….

    infusing Zoological Almonte isn’t going to help anything…….you have to have actual good prospects that are ready before a manager can do anything with them

  3. SweetSpot June 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    “McCann is well past ‘needing to adjust to a new league’.”
    ___________
    According to who? Every baseball pro, manager, general manager and ex-ballplayers who are commentators say the same thing. That adjusting to playing in New York, new city, new team, new league, new everything can often lead to an extended adjustment period. McCann has not even played a half of one season. Seven-time All-Stars who are 30 years old don’t just shrivel up and die at the plate instantly.

    McCann is on a pace to hit (give or take) around twenty home runs and knock in eighty. That’s hardly a poor year. Not to mention it’s fairly obvious that McCann’s value is far more than his batting average. He is gritty, a leader, very good defensively, his pitching staff loves him as does his manager and other teammates. He has solidified the catching position for years to come.

  4. G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Jerkface,

    Is a 1/2 season still technically considered a small sample size for a player who isn’t injured or is that treated differently statistically?

  5. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    this team was always oddly constructed……ground ball rotation with the worst infield Defense in baseball and one of the best outfield defenses…….club with no power in one of the best home run parks in the game……they just are a mish mash at the moment.

    I still think they have more potential to make a run than they did a year ago……but a lot of things are gonna have to turn around…..CC and Pineda have to come back and at least be decent…..McCann has to get going…..Tex has to stay healthy……Beltran either has to play better or be replaced to have surgery……and they have to get somebody besides the final 3 in the pen that isn’t just awful.

    It could happen…..lot of work to do though

  6. Missing Cano June 30th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    no seriously where are the real pitching matchups and who is really starting for the Yanks

  7. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    McCann still has time to turn things around in his Yankee career….I really think he just got himself into such a hole trying to beat the shift that he started pressing too much to get out of it……he’s done a great job with the staff and he’s starting to produce a little more offensively.

    His back of the baseball card isn’t going to look pretty this year most likely…..but if he can start now being what he was supposed to be then that’ll help a ton.

  8. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    McCann needs to hit better, but he is hardly the cause of our problems. At least he is great defensively and has some power. Also, his hitting luck has been awful.

  9. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    He has solidified the catching position for years to come.

    If he doesn’t hit then maybe he has solidified the backup catching position.

    At a certain point hitting is just seeing the ball and hitting it, you have that or you don’t. They’re just trying to find a reason other than ‘he sucks’ for why McCann sucks. What exactly is he needing to adjust to now? Pitchers in the AL don’t throw alien pitch types, or pitch upside down, as far I can tell the gravity is the same. He played interleague play while in the NL did he not?

    And I am well aware of the defense/pitch staff work that McCann does, but that doesn’t save him when he is literally one of the worst hitting catchers in the majors.

    Here is question: How did Jarrod Saltalamacchia manage to move from the AL to the NL, and to a worse hitters park, and still manage to hit effectively?

    Need to quit making excuses for McCann.

  10. G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    blake,

    The OF is what is really bothering me. Gardner and Ellsbury can be on the same team, but you darn well better be getting serious power from DH, RF and more than 1b.

    When you’re getting no serious offensive production having two speed, defense and average OF’ers sticks out like a sore thumb.

    This is why when people say Brian Roberts and Kelly Johnson aren’t why we’re losing games they’re wrong. The team made a conscious decision to put rabbits in the OF thinking they’d get power from the IF, RF and DH and C.

    Because none of those positions have come through having rabbits is a miss.

    I’d hate to see them trade Gardner, but if they would for a slugging OF or corner/middle IF, you have to do it.

  11. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Repost: Response to Hankflorida
    Hank, the Drysdale/Koufax teams had a much better defense than the current Y’s, and there was no need for a deep BP, although they did have Ron Perranoski; they also had a reliable #3 and 4 with Claude Osteen, and Johnny Podres.
    During the 66 season they added Don Sutton and the aforementioned Osteen, actually had a better ERA than Drysdale that year.
    Therefore it wasn’t exactly like the Dodgers were out of games, when Drysdale, and Koufax did not pitch, they always had a fairly strong 4 man rotation, back in the 60?s.
    Another difference between now and then was the importance of a solid lead-off hitter, who was a true base stealing threat; the Dodgers had Wills, and the Cardinals had Brock.

  12. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Not to worry: we have “Chunky” Nuno, going for us in game three.

  13. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Fair enough. While we’re talking about it though, maybe you wouldn’t mind naming the teams that have had exceedingly good luck on their signings of 16-17 year olds of late?

    I agree that you can’t look at any 1 non-major IFA as a reason the Yankees have dropped the ball, but the Yankees certainly could have done more than they did in the IFA domain the past decade. They worked 1 very specific IFA strategy when they could have afforded to dominate the region.

  14. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    “I think the saddest thing as a fan is thinking our park has now lost it’s advantage for our team and we’ve passed on it on to our opponents who come in here and pepper the RF seats like our players cannot.

    Losing LH power and having no LHP other than Nuno takes away a lot of what should be working for this team at home. Sure, Beltran, Tex, Kelly Johnson and McCann should be supplying that power and they aren’t with the exception of Tex thus far.

    It just feels like we’re playing road games in Yankee Stadium. The design of the OF with Gardner and Ellsbury was a cute idea, but unless you have Nelson Cruz in RF it really doesn’t work on a grand scale. ”

    ——-

    Well this couldn’t be more true. Pretty well written too.

    There’s no question that the team has gotten away from it’s roots as Stick referred to as “Left-handed pitching, Left-handed power.” The loss of Cano, and the practical inability of replacing that kind of power from a 2b, along with signing Ellsbury to a very expensive long term deal, makes the Gardner extension a curious decision. I’ve said many times that Gardner is a good player and a very good player when he’s in CF, but a bad fit for the NY Yankees in LF.

    Hopefully next off season they Yanks can re-tool with an eye on corner power. Especially left-handed power. And that doesn’t mean big hairy monsters either. But it does mean beginning the process of taking ownership of your own home in home games.

    And though I fear FA contracts for 30+ year old pitchers, Lester sure would look pretty damn good pinstripes.

  15. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    G. Love,
    agree……they don’t have a middle of the lineup. They have 2 or 3 leadoff hitters…..and 2 or 3 #5 and 6 type hitters…..they don’t have a single 3 or 4 hitter in the entire lineup.

  16. AAA June 30th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    I agree that you can’t look at any 1 non-major IFA as a reason the Yankees have dropped the ball, but the Yankees certainly could have done more than they did in the IFA domain the past decade. They worked 1 very specific IFA strategy when they could have afforded to dominate the region.

    ==============================

    Yep, that fair to say.

  17. UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Lots and lots of great posts this morning. Vintage Lohud. Bravo everyone.

    I for one am really digging the more feisty YF. I love the passion everyone was bringing this morning.

    Everyone is invited to be interviewed on Russo’s High Heat.

  18. UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    G. Love and Blake – You guys get two moves to make between now and the end of the trading deadline, What are they? and When do you make them?

  19. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Unless the Y’s are going to obtain a player for Gardner who can hit for average and power(and is not 35 or older) how does replacing one of the 2 best regulars in the Y’s LU, help the team?
    Right now, I think the Y’s best option is to put Ellsbury back at leadoff, bat Roberts 2nd, Gardner 3rd, and Jeter in the 5/6 spot.

  20. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    “G. Love and Blake – You guys get two moves to make between now and the end of the trading deadline, What are they? and When do you make them?”

    is this a question bound by reality or can I just do whatever I want? but my answer to the when part is right now….as soon as possible.

    I mean I’d love to add a legit starter…..I just don’t think they have the chips to get Price, or JS, or Shields if the Royals trade him……and if I can’t get one of those guys then I’m not wasting my time or my prospects to try and get a Jason Hammel type.

    I’d focus on trying to improve the offense…..Headley is hurt so he’s probably out but they really need an upgrade at either 2B or 3b adn they need a RFer…….maybe a Beltre/Rios for prospects type deal if that was possible……

  21. blake June 30th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    The Yanks rotation has a #1 starter…..and they have a decent #3 in Kuroda……if either of CC or Pineda would step up upon returning and be the #2 then their rotation “could” be good enough if they could hit……I’d love to have a better rotation…..I don’t think they can get a top of the rotation type though. They need more offense…..

  22. SweetSpot June 30th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    McCann needs to hit better, but he is hardly the cause of our problems. At least he is great defensively and has some power. Also, his hitting luck has been awful.
    _______________

    Common sense and rational thought. Bravo.

  23. UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Good answer Blake. The question is more based on reality but I agree. I think the offense is #1 priority with a starter being #2.

    I don’t think the Royals will deal Big Game. They still think they are going to win the Central and that is why they got him in the first place is to make a run into the POST.

    And yeah Price is out because we don’t have the chips.

    Get a bat or two and pray that CC comes back healthy enough to pitch up to a #2 and get that bat or two NOW!

  24. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    I and many others said this winter that no matter what they did if CC wasn’t better in 2014 then it was gonna be tough……we know how’s that’s worked out.

  25. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    “here is the thing that I think a lot of folks miss….. Girardi doesn’t get paid to plan the future of the yankees. He gets paid to win baseball games now……so unless they all have a heart to heart and give him the assurance that playing youngster X is what the organization wants…..then he’s going to play the guys that he thinks can help them win today…….because that’s his job.

    Cashman’s job is to plan the future of the Yankees…..if lets say he wants Ref to play……then the way to do that is release Brian Roberts and put him on the team and tell Girardi to play him”

    ——-

    I think this is a good point. It describes the natural tension between the jobs of a GM and a manager, something I’ve discussed several times before regarding Girardi and Cashman especially with respect to Almonte basically wasting a roster space for two weeks last month.

    But this point is incomplete because it suggests that Cashman, on his own, can release Roberts and tell Girardi to play Refs. I don’t believe Cashman can tell Girardi to play anybody. The lineup is Girardi’s sole domain and the Almonte affair is evidence of that. Cashman can promote Refs. But I don’t think he has the power, on his own, to release Roberts or Soriano.

    I think Cashman can release someone like Canzler. But when it comes to players who are owed money on the major league roster, I’m pretty sure Hal is involved in that type of decision. And probably Levine as well. Those types of decisions are made by committee in the Yankee Universe. Girardi is probably involved in that decision too.

    It’s been pretty obvious over the last several years that the Yanks have a complex management structure. Lots of “dotted lines” a consultant might say. If I were Hal, I’d start getting rid of those dotted lines and start making them solid.

    Too many cooks in this kitchen.

  26. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Get a bat or two and pray that CC comes back healthy enough to pitch up to a #2 and get that bat or two NOW!”

    Yes….improve the offense and hope CC or Pineda can come back healthy…..

  27. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    I think ownership pushes the baseball people to win now because they want I sell tickets…..but then they want to reduce payroll at the same time which kinda works against the winning now……basically I think the ownership wants two different things that oppose each other

  28. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    You guys remember that Tom Hanks movie “The Money pit”. That house was the metaphorical Yankees……last year Girardi started to walk upstairs and fell through

  29. G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Unknown,

    I would do something really ridiculous.

    I would make the Phillies take back Arod’s contract in exchange for Lee, Utley and Ryan Howard’s horrible contract. It would be akin to what the Dodgers and Red Sox did where no real super prospects are exchanged.

    Then I’d put Howard at DH and let him play some 1b or if Tex goes down we have a real 1b, Utley at 2b and Lee in the rotation.

    I know they’re all old, but we have no real youth ready at those positions and maybe putting Howard in YS with that porch turns him into Ortiz-lite.

    Ryan Howard and Lee are on the books for 2-3 more seasons so when Tex’s deal comes off, so would theirs. Utley’s got a bunch of 15 million vesting options so even if they all vest, he’s not breaking the bank.

    It’s a total George move, but I would do it.

    Outside of that, I would trade whatever it took for David Price. Then I’d call Texas and see what Beltre might cost. I’d also look into guys like Daniel Murphy from the Mets, Adam Dunn from the White Sox for DH.

  30. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    I wish GLove could make 2 decisions.

  31. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    they need to decide something quickly on Beltran…..because if he continures to play then he’s basically the DH for the rest of the year and they need a RFer

  32. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    ?@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Orioles livid Machado suspension was not reduced from five games. Trot Nixon, Pedro Guerrero got four for throwing bat at pitcher.

  33. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
    they need to decide something quickly on Beltran…..because if he continures to play then he’s basically the DH for the rest of the year and they need a RFer

    —————–

    Beltran won’t be effective as a full time DH either.

    The org is being ridiculous here letting him play like this. Another week or two of him hitting this way should result in him being benched.

    Of course, we don’t have a real DH to replace him with…

  34. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 ·
    And, in my final Refsnyder tweet for now, one scout I talked to the other day named him as the best player he’s seen all year.

    —–

    I said over a month ago, Refs was the Yanks clear No. 1 prospect now. He might now be the No. 1 prospect in the country.

    I wonder how many Top Prospects lists he was on in March.

  35. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Beltran getting hurt was probably the biggest blow of the season…..he was supposed to be the middle of the order guy to replace Cano and he was that for a little while until he got hurt……it’s been devastating.

  36. AAA June 30th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    He might now be the No. 1 prospect in the country.

    =======================

    Which country are we talking about?

  37. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
    Beltran getting hurt was probably the biggest blow of the season…

    ————–

    I think McCann being so terrible offensively has been an arguably bigger blow. Beltran being an injury risk at his age was kinda predictable.

    This team always had the potential to be pretty good if literally everything went right, but it’s carried immense risk from the get-go.

  38. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    “I said over a month ago, Refs was the Yanks clear No. 1 prospect now. He might now be the No. 1 prospect in the country.”

    lets not get carried away now…..

  39. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    @mikeaxisa 3m

    NYY offered to eat $4.5M of Ichiro’s $6.5M salary. RT @Deadspin: Leaked: 10 months of Astros’ internal trade talks: http://deadsp.in/b9SDBpg

    This leak is huge at seeing what kind of chatter goes around regarding trades.

  40. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    One injury to an offensive player or one ineffective one would conceivably be enough to make the difference between making or missing the playoffs with the way this club is constructed…. they’ve suffered more than just that.

    And of course haven’t tried to do anything about it.

    I must sound like a broken record, but I still can’t reconcile the Pirela/Solarte thing.

  41. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    “I think McCann being so terrible offensively has been an arguably bigger blow. Beltran being an injury risk at his age was kinda predictable.”

    I mean they are both big….thing is though that McCann can still turn it around. Beltran’s issue isn’t going to get better until he has surgery.

  42. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    JF – Literally just clicked that link…. holy cow..

  43. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    having poked fun at the “best prospect in the country” statement……the dude is hitting .371 at AAA after hitting .342 at AA……can we at least see if he’s better than Brian Roberts at some point?

  44. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    blake – Yeah he can in theory… I hope he does. But after delivering one of the worst offensive performances – not just of the year, but of his career – this month in June, I’d have to think there’s nowhere to go but up. Up might just not be very high.

  45. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    “lets not get carried away now…..”

    ——-

    Ok? Then who’s better? Mookie Betts? Maybe. He’s two years younger. The great Joey Gallo, who strikes out better that 150 times a year in the MINOR leagues?

    Hey I’m not sure who the best prospect in the country is and I’m not sure it really even matters all that much. But the fact that Refs is legitimately in that conversation is quite a statement of his development and an equally loud statement of just how lost the so called prospect experts are.

  46. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    The best part of the Deadspin article is this:

    From a strict baseball perspective, all of this is really interesting just for the insight it offers into how baseball trades work on an operational level. As it turns out, it really isn’t too different from your fantasy league, with front office types kicking around ideas, making preposterous demands, gossiping, and discussing various contingencies.

    People need to leave Chip alone lol. I know people don’t like the ‘fantasy GM’ talk that happens on here but it’s good discussion.

  47. UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    ———–

    Exactly what I wanted out of my question. I love the Phillies idea if they would agree to that.
    Otherwise I love the rest of the answer too.

    Anyway you can make yourself look like Cashman and get into his office. :grin:

    I mean I doubt Brian is in. Probably taking a “me day”

  48. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    I have seen Refs play a few games at 2B on my computer. Not the best scouting tool, but I have seen nothing that keeps him in the minors defensively. I haven’t seen any tough plays, but he has made all the routine ones.

    I don’t think it is a coincidence the Sox won when Betts played. Not for his contribution but for the excitement and exuberance a new guy brings. I noticed how well they treated him on the bench. This is a kids game. The Yankees need some kids to remind them.

    Refs will not be any different at 2B two months from now. Just bring him up.

  49. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Why would the Rangers trade Beltre? He will earn 17 million this year, and 18 Million next year, which for a player who is producing at his current rate are bargain prices. The only negative, and I believe it is a big one is he is 35 years old, and his contract contains a vesting option for 2016, worth 16 million dollars.
    He also seems to be a player who benefits from the park he plays in, with Boston and Texas he has hit over .300, averaged over 20 HR’s and 100 RBI’s, whereas in Seattle and LA his average was less than 280 combined; also he does not use the opposite field much, which negates his value as a YS player.

  50. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Shame,

    There was a John Oliver bit last night on misuse of the word literally. For example, statements like I was literally so excited my hair caught on fire.

  51. Villa Nova-Ya June 30th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    G. Love -

    I actually like your proposal! Seriously what has either team got to lose in that scenario? The players get a new lease on life, and no young-uns are sacrificed. But I fear the Phillies won’t think they’re getting as good a deal as the Yankees might get. Is there anyone else we could throw in?

    David Price is such a pipe dream I hate to even think about it……

    And, to be fair, they may be asking for all these players, but the cost might be prohibitive both now and for the future.

  52. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Jim,

    From what I read here in Texas, I don’t think they will trade Beltre. They want to win next year when the team gets healthy, and he is their best player.

  53. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    mac – I saw that!

  54. Villa Nova-Ya June 30th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    I thought Beltran was injury risk, but not his elbow, his knees!!!

    So, this was not quite as predictable. ;)

  55. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    G. love,

    I like your deal, but they are giving us three guys who can probably play for one who might be able to play who happens also to be a pariah. Not happening. Nice thought, however.

  56. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Another interesting point about that Deadspin article is that Stanton is on the blog for stud prospects…. it’s just that we have none.

  57. Villa Nova-Ya June 30th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t mind the fantasy GM stuff – but it gets kinda interesting when it seems like the faux-GMs are disappointed the moves aren’t actually made. :)

    When it gets too intense, it’s one of the topics I skim and scroll through. Sometimes, though, like in the G.Love scenario above, it’s too interesting to pass up.

  58. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    I think if Texas would trade Beltre they’d want a lot for him…..probably more than the Yanks have. Id ask anyway. There just isn’t a lot of obvious help on the trade market……

  59. blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    “Another interesting point about that Deadspin article is that Stanton is on the blog for stud prospects…. it’s just that we have none.”

    how about all the prospects! quantity over quality.

  60. Villa Nova-Ya June 30th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Refs might need polishing in his defense, but even Robinson Cano needed that when he first came up. Lots of working with Larry Bowa to fine tune the talent and keep his distractibility in check. No reason they couldn’t do the same for Refsnyder. But can they get Larry Bowa back????

  61. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Jazk Z said he’s getting a lot of calls from Clubs asking him if he can get Castro from us. Jack Z asked if we would do Ackley for Castro. JL said no, we wouldn’t do that. Jack Z asked if there was someone he could add to Ackley. JL said he would take a look.

    —————-

    Heh.

  62. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    “I don’t think it is a coincidence the Sox won when Betts played. Not for his contribution but for the excitement and exuberance a new guy brings. I noticed how well they treated him on the bench. This is a kids game. The Yankees need some kids to remind them.”

    ——

    Didn’t we see that a few years ago when Cano and Melky were promoted? I think Steve has said that he hears people saying that this team is playing without any energy. You look at Girardi in the dugout and half the time it looks like he’s going to have a stroke.

    It certainly is a kid’s game. And while it’s great having some old veterans around to show the youngins the ropes, when a team is made up of almost exclusively old men the play on the field resembles a day in the office rather than America’s Pastime.

    As the great Willie Stargell (Pops) once said, when they start the game, the ump doesn’t say “Work Ball.”

  63. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    it’s not like Refs could make their infield D worse…..it’s already awful. If he can hit he’d help.

  64. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    how about all the prospects! quantity over quality.

    ————–

    I’d give ‘em everything.

  65. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    • yankeefeminista June 30th, 2014 at 10:05 am
    GF, I was just kidding about the diss. But as far as my objective analysis of the org, I have said these same things since 2010 postseason when I saw us play live against Texas in ALCS. The O was pitiful and old. I feared this result and have been cautioning about the demise of the “O” since that postseason. So, it is the same old for me actually. Doesn’t mean I don’t root hard for them etc. but I have excoriated them for the above reasons in the past. I am too lazy to reprise my “greatest hits” but mainly did not think the model they implemented was sustainable; they didn’t move with the times and lock up core players, wouldn’t extend players, they considered middle of the order still in prime when Alex was aging (one of my biggest contentions that I warned about going into 2011 season was you need to start replacing middle of order, retain or deal for O, not deal for injury matrix pitching.) Also I warned then that teams were locking up their young position players and we needed to follow suit instead of using a “at a player’s mercy” FA model. See, Cliff Lee. I was adamant about that. Also was ragging on the overvaluing of run-saving at the expense of the O, etc. So, same old same old, but just reprising all this because well… here we are…
    yankeefeminista June 30th, 2014 at 10:12 am
    And the fact that we signed Ells and for 7 years, and others for that extra year, just goes to show how we are at the mercy of FA. And are even signing players at positions we necessarily didn’t need, but that’s all that is available. How do you neglect so many positions that are replacement level at best? You have to really screw up to make yourself that vulnerable. And players like Beltran should be complementary pieces not the core of your middle order. Again, it is what it is, but we need to look at long term health of the club if we make any moves.
    ——–

    Sorry for the delayed response but you are absolutely dead on. I can’t disagree with a single word of it. You and several others have been on top of this for a few seasons now. For me, it started in 2012 so I guess I was a little late to this party.

    I’m not someone who is always negative just for the hell of it. It was obvious to anyone who wasn’t wearing rose colored glasses that this franchise was headed in the wrong direction after giving the front office the benefit of the doubt for the longest time. I think the Montero trade was really a turning point for me. It’s not the fact that they traded him – it was their reasoning for trading him (young bats are readily available but pitching is not). They essentially ignored or at least downplayed the offense and put all of their eggs in a basket of damaged goods in return.

    This whole “pitching is the key to the kingdom” is such BS. We’re talking about a franchise that has won 27 championships and that didn’t happen because they prioritized starting pitching over power and scoring a lot of runs. Of course pitching is important but why wouldn’t you build a team that doesn’t take advantage of your own ballpark?

    They really need new blood. I’m hoping Cashman doesn’t return. It’s going to be his job as long as he wants it, but I’m hoping over the offseason that he decides he’s had enough and wants to move on.

  66. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
    it’s not like Refs could make their infield D worse…..it’s already awful. If he can hit he’d help.

    —————-

    Same for Pirela if they’re hell bent on keeping Refs down to gain reps/not hurt his value. Sometimes I feel like the Yankees hold guys back out of fear they won’t perform and will lose more of their value.

  67. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Mac, I also do not think Texas will trade Beltran until perhaps next year, but I sometimes wonder about the obsession some people have with certain players, especially 3rd BM Chase Headley, whose career numbers are similar to those of Kelly Johnson, and is currently hitting a shade over .200.
    Moreover, if the players the fans here blog about fail to produce, they turn on them in a NY minute; McCann is the perfect example, if I recall last year, he was the player the Y’s needed to sign, and now he is one of the “worst signings ever.”
    I will note, that I was not in the McCann camp, but even given his poor offensive production, which should have been obvious given his performances in 2012/13, and his overall offensive decline since 2009, he is still an upgrade over last year’s catcher.

  68. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    “Same for Pirela if they’re hell bent on keeping Refs down to gain reps/not hurt his value. Sometimes I feel like the Yankees hold guys back out of fear they won’t perform and will lose more of their value.”

    I know…..how can we get Jason Hammel if they lose value :|

  69. G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Hey guys,

    In my Phillies phantasy, we’re sending some prospects over there but it’s not the main one’s you want to protect.

    Give’em Cito Culver, Austin Romine, Mark Montgomery, Zoilo and Phelps or something.

    That deal is more about giving the Yankees 3 older but still useful players in exchange for a financial reboot for the Phillies like the Red Sox received.

    By taking on Ryan Howard’s deal, you’re basically buying them out of their mistakes.

    Again, it’s pure fantasy GM stuff.

    That said;

    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Utley
    Howard
    Tex
    Beltran in RF if healthy
    McCann
    Kelly Johnson
    Jeter

    Tanaka
    Lee
    Kuroda
    CC
    Whitley/Nuno

    Yankees would never do it though because it brings them so high above the lux tax.

    What I would consider though is Arod’s contract & a few mid range prospects for Lee and Ryan Howard. If Refsnyder can play up here, let’s not block him even thought I’d love to put Utley at 2b right now.

  70. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Correa and Springer for Giancarlo is interesting……I could see why the Marlins would want to do it if they think Stanton is gone in a couple of years anyway…..from the Astros POV I get that 2 good players is better than one and the controllability of Correa and Springer……..but both of those guys are unproven and Giacarlo immediately gives you a face…….I would have done that if I’m the Astros.

  71. Missing Cano June 30th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
    He has solidified the catching position for years to come.

    If he doesn’t hit then maybe he has solidified the backup catching position.

    At a certain point hitting is just seeing the ball and hitting it, you have that or you don’t. They’re just trying to find a reason other than ‘he sucks’ for why McCann sucks. What exactly is he needing to adjust to now? Pitchers in the AL don’t throw alien pitch types, or pitch upside down, as far I can tell the gravity is the same. He played interleague play while in the NL did he not?

    And I am well aware of the defense/pitch staff work that McCann does, but that doesn’t save him when he is literally one of the worst hitting catchers in the majors.

    Here is question: How did Jarrod Saltalamacchia manage to move from the AL to the NL, and to a worse hitters park, and still manage to hit effectively?

    Need to quit making excuses for McCann.

    a delicate subject but applause for bringing it up and saying what needed to be said

  72. Missing Cano June 30th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Melky were promoted?

    referring to the first or second Melky promotion?

  73. AAA June 30th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    I would have done that if I’m the Astros.

    ============================

    With power hitting now at a premium, absolutely.

  74. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Unlike the Ellsbury, Beltran, Roberts, Johnson and Thornton signings I was in favor of the McCann (as well as the Tanaka and Kuroda) signing(s).

    I think he’ll turn things around at some point, but I don’t think the “he’s adjusting to a new league” argument holds any water since this thing called interleague has been around his entire career and he’s now playing half his games in a lefty power hitter’s paradise.

  75. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    blake – They could’ve figured that by the time Stanton is a FA, they will only just be getting competitive as a franchise. I actually would have not done that deal.

    For the Yankees, acquiring a guy like Stanton makes absolute sense. Doesn’t matter what you have to give up. For the Astros, that have a loaded farm but are still a poor MLB-level team.. I think their choice makes sense.

  76. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    “blake – They could’ve figured that by the time Stanton is a FA, they will only just be getting competitive as a franchise. I actually would have not done that deal.”

    well if you do it you have to step up and offer him a whopper extension right afterwards……that’s a given. You make that deal to make him the face of your club for the next 10 years.

  77. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    I’d make that trade then turn around and offer him 10/200 and make him tell me no…..at his age with still like 3 years until free agency….200 million would be hard to say no to.

  78. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
    Here is a big problem with this coming offseason:

    Because many of the signings we made last offseason are not working out that well this team is likely going to have to make just as big as splash this upcoming offseason as they did last offseason to put together a winning team.

    And I’m not sure thats even possible.

    ———————————-

    I think that was going to be the case regardless in the lineup. They went into last season with holes in the OF, 3b, 2b and C and filled two of them. This winter they’ll go in still needing an OF if they move Beltran to DH or at 3b if they move Alex to DH, 2b and SS – so McCann and Beltran struggling doesn’t really change that dynamic.

    What they do need to add that they weren’t necessarily anticipating is another starter, and a front line one at that. I don’t think they were counting on CC but with Nova being out until at least mid season or longer and who knows with Pineda they are in the position of having to add another top level starter (and yes, even if they move Betances to the rotation and he’s everything you dream of they’ll still need to add another prime arm from the Lester, Shields, Scherzer group)

  79. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    G. Love – it’s not a bad fantasy but Utley has said he has no intention of waiving his NTC this season.

  80. JimK June 30th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    If last year is any indication July and early August should be the turn around months for McCann; at the end of June he was hitting .250 and by July 7th he raised his average to over .300. He finished July batting .283, and he stayed mostly between .270 and .280 for the month of August, and in September he finished the year at .256; there was also a steady decline in his SLG and OPS during the month of September.

  81. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    It’s been pretty clear for quite awhile that McCann is just not a very good hitter. I’m not sure he can even hit ,250 now in the American League. But he is very strong defensively and he def has 20+ homer power from the left side. As long as he bats no higher than 6th I think the Yanks will be able to live with his contract. After all, what choice do they have? If he can learn to play 1b adequately to back up Tex, that will measurably improve his value. I expect him to be the backup 1b next year.

  82. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Shoot – right now I would claim Justin Maxwell from the Royals and have him hit against LHP over Soriano.

  83. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
    they need to decide something quickly on Beltran…..because if he continures to play then he’s basically the DH for the rest of the year and they need a RFer
    ———————————-

    Well either way they need a bat. If Beltran is in RF then they need a bat to DH. If Beltran’s the DH then they need a bat for RF. Ichiro is a singles hitter and Soriano can’t hit or field.

    I would find out what AJ Hinch wants for Seth Smith and Chris Denorfia – that’s a much better platoon than Ichiro/Soriano

  84. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    McCann is hitting for the lowest amount of power in his career outside of his debut, even worse than the year he had a shoulder injury. Also hitting .194 .257 .296 .553 vs RHP and hitting for absolutely 0 power away from NYS.

    Bad season from him. He needs to get his OBP over .300.

  85. 86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    To get Stanton you are probably saying goodbye to five top young guys…. a catcher, Warren or Phelps, Betances or Severino, Pirela or Refsnyder and the OF of their choice.

    I love Giancarlo, but would be hard to give up half the ten best prospects in the organization.

    Can anyone envision a lower price tag?

    Carlos Gonzalez from Colorado or Alex Rios from Texas seem more realistic. But Cargo is on DL recovering from finger surgery.

  86. shaman1993 June 30th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Very interesting take on trading our former 3B (or as my son calls him, “He Who Shall Not Be Named”), but he is a 10/5 guy and you would have to get him to agree to being peddled out of NY as well

  87. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
    McCann is hitting for the lowest amount of power in his career outside of his debut, even worse than the year he had a shoulder injury. Also hitting .194 .257 .296 .553 vs RHP and hitting for absolutely 0 power away from NYS.

    Bad season from him. He needs to get his OBP over .300.
    ——————-

    Yeah, but I think we can say that McCann’s bad season is less troublesome than it would be if he was a few years older. At 30 it may just be an outlier, if it was his age 35 season I would be concerned that he’s deteriorating.

    I’m also not too worried about Beltran’s season as a long term problem. I think he should be sent for the surgery and shelved the rest of this year – once the elbow is fine I think we’ll see the player who was producing for this team before he crashed the wall in Tampa.

  88. AAA June 30th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    To get Stanton you are probably saying goodbye to five top young guys…. a catcher, Warren or Phelps, Betances or Severino, Pirela or Refsnyder and the OF of their choice.

    I love Giancarlo, but would be hard to give up half the ten best prospects in the organization.

    Can anyone envision a lower price tag?
    ==============================

    Doubt your price tag you’ve just outlined would be enough for the Marlins. If it were deemed so, you do it twice.

  89. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    The time to decide quickly with Beltran was when they found out he had the bone spurs… that window is closed. And they deserve whatever meager production they get from this point forward.

  90. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    If the Marlins put Stanton on the trade market for real the Yankees do not have the pieces to get him. Boston, Seattle, Texas are just off the top of my head three teams that could blow a Yankee offer out of the water.

    Best case scenario is that he gets to free agency.

  91. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Shame –

    Teams can’t force the player to have surgery. If he wants to play through they have to honor that (well they don’t have to play him but they can’t DL him either).

  92. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
    I’d make that trade then turn around and offer him 10/200 and make him tell me no…..at his age with still like 3 years until free agency….200 million would be hard to say no to.

    ————–

    Very true. Again for a team like the Yanks (and a few other clubs, if not most) I think that makes a ton of sense. I dunno that the ‘Stros were/are really there yet. But it’s just interesting to hear he was available.

    I think they’ll trade him soon….

  93. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Chip June 30th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
    Shame –

    Teams can’t force the player to have surgery. If he wants to play through they have to honor that (well they don’t have to play him but they can’t DL him either).

    ————–

    Yeah, I get that. But he’s gonna be ineffective and he needs to be on the bench.

    They’ll run him out there everyday in the 2-5 slot though.

  94. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    “To get Stanton you are probably saying goodbye to five top young guys…. a catcher, Warren or Phelps, Betances or Severino, Pirela or Refsnyder and the OF of their choice”

    where do I sign……they can have all the Mason’s and Heathcotts too if they want. .

  95. bigdan22 June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    So last night wasn’t a banner night for the Great Starting Pitching Audition of 2014. Whitley, as you all know, had his second poor start in a row. He appears to be coming up close to some innings limit as well.

    If I had to handicap the audition now, I’d say Phelps is the winner. He, in my mind, earns the right to be a Yankee 5th starter. Whitley looks to be a long or perhaps multi-inning relief pitcher, which is a very valuable commodity. Nuno looks to be a AAA pitcher for now. He needs to learn to throw more ground balls. If he can learn to do that, he should get another shot sometime to be a ML pitcher. He just doesn’t appear to have what it takes right now. And he’s not a relief pitcher at all or a LOOGY. He doesn’t have a pitch to get left-handers out.

    So going into 2015, the rotation looks like this: 1. Tanaka, 2. Open for now; and CC, Pineda, and Phelps filling out the back with Nova waiting in the wings. Even if the Yanks can come up with a 2, they still need more depth. I think it is highly likely Warren gets converted and competes for a starting job in ST. Perhaps Greene or Turley may be available to compete as well. Maybe Manny if he ever gets to throw more than 3 innings.

    So as far as pitching goes, for 2015, it’s not just going to be about acquiring a No. 2. Because as we all know, you never have enough pitching.

  96. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Could be we’re seeing an anomaly from McCann but his numbers have been trending downward so even if there’s improvement next year, this might be the guy we see in the last two years of that deal. God help him if he’s playing 1B and not giving us at least 20 HRs.

  97. blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    “If the Marlins put Stanton on the trade market for real the Yankees do not have the pieces to get him. Boston, Seattle, Texas are just off the top of my head three teams that could blow a Yankee offer out of the water.”

    I’m hoping by the time they do trade him that the farm will be good enough to get him…..even if it’s just fake good via hype……

  98. G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Not including Tanaka, I’d trade any 6 players in the Yankees organization for Stanton right now. Any.

  99. 86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Also, they need a RH bat far worse than a LH bat. That’s why I think Alex Rios is the best, most likely available option for RF.

    anyone else come to mind?

  100. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    G. Love June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
    Not including Tanaka, I’d trade any 6 players in the Yankees organization for Stanton right now. Any.

    ——————–

    Yep.

  101. 86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    You have to put McCann’s “trending downward” numbers in context. He played hurt in 2012 and played much sooner than expected in 2013.

    This season is disappointing, but I still believe the guy is a real asset. Can’t say that I feel the same way about Soriano, Ichiro, Roberts or Ryan.

    G Love — I wouldn’t. Not any six. Betances, Phelps, Warren, Severino, J-Ram and Sulbaran would strip the Yanks of 1/3 of the current bullpen and the two best pitching talents in the minors. No single player is worth that much.

  102. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    G.Love,

    Remember as we age our fantasies turn to . . . baseball.

  103. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    blake June 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
    “If the Marlins put Stanton on the trade market for real the Yankees do not have the pieces to get him. Boston, Seattle, Texas are just off the top of my head three teams that could blow a Yankee offer out of the water.”

    I’m hoping by the time they do trade him that the farm will be good enough to get him…..even if it’s just fake good via hype……
    ————————————-

    It’s a nice dream :-)

  104. UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    murph, judge, clarkin, betances, Robertson, and Jagielo for Stanton?

    You guys would trade those 6

  105. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
    You have to put McCann’s “trending downward” numbers in context. He played hurt in 2012 and played much sooner than expected in 2013.

    ——————–

    I understand that but he’s likely looking at three straight years of OPSing under .800.

    You can’t expect that to improve a ton every year that he gets older. This guy we’re seeing now might be McCann at 34.

  106. Jerkface June 30th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    And you do have to take into account the injury may just mean that post-injury Mccann is who he is.

  107. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    murph, judge, clarkin, betances, Robertson, and Jagielo for Stanton?

    You guys would trade those 6

    —————-

    Of that bunch, the only guy I’d be terribly sad to lose is Betances.

    I’d cry a little about JR, but for Stanton? I’d move on.

  108. austinmac June 30th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    I think Rios is the most available RF that I have heard any discussion. His power is down, but he is a good player. The Rangers will want to stick it to us.

    The real problem is there is no indication the team is looking for a position player. Cashman says regularly what he is looking for is starting pitching. I don’t think he is being obtuse. He measn it.

  109. Patrick June 30th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    I would be interested to see how often defenses shifted on McCann in previous years. It seems like a lot of his hard hit balls this season are eaten up by the shift. His BABIP is down at .227 (career .285). His GB, FB and LD percentages all look normal compared to his career numbers.

    So either he’s getting extraordinarily unlucky or the defensive shifts are really effecting him.

  110. Mordot11 June 30th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    murph, judge, clarkin, betances, Robertson, and Jagielo for Stanton?

    You guys would trade those 6
    ———————-
    You would have to keep Betances or Robertson.

  111. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
    Also, they need a RH bat far worse than a LH bat. That’s why I think Alex Rios is the best, most likely available option for RF.

    anyone else come to mind?
    —————————-

    They need either – can’t keep running Ichiro out there.

  112. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    UnKnown June 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    murph, judge, clarkin, betances, Robertson, and Jagielo for Stanton?

    You guys would trade those 6

    —————-

    Of that bunch, the only guy I’d be terribly sad to lose is Betances.

    I’d cry a little about JR, but for Stanton? I’d move on.

    Indeed. Go big or go home.

    Hypothetically, I’d make that deal for a Stanton or Trout (young middle of the order franchise type players) but I wouldn’t do it for Price.

    Unfortunately, this front office probably feels quite the opposite and that’s why they suck right now.

  113. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Servino, Sanchez and Refs weren’t on that list lol.. that’s kinda of an easy one to agree to for Stanton.

  114. Patrick June 30th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    I would absolutely trade any 6 players in the organization, except Tanaka, for Stanton.

    “murph, judge, clarkin, betances, Robertson, and Jagielo for Stanton?”

    Where do I sign?

    Are you seriously telling me you wouldn’t trade a couple relievers (one of which is a FA next season), 3 prospects in single A and a backup catcher for Giancarlo freakin Stanton? Stanton is only 24 and one of the best players in baseball! He’s the face of your franchise for the next 10 years.

  115. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Twins get: John Ryan Murphy
    Yankees get: Josh Willingham

    Twins have gotten a strong year out of Kurt Suzuki but he’s not a long term solution at C. Willingham goes into RF for the Yankees and adds RH power to the middle of the lineup.

    Thoughts?

  116. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Thoughts?

    ————-

    We’re trying to package Murphy for Stanton, Chip, get your head in the game. :lol:

  117. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    @KenDavidoff
    #Yankees lineup: Gardner LF, Jeter SS, Ellsbury CF, Teixeira 1B, McCann C, Beltran DH, Johnson 3B, Roberts 2B, Suzuki RF. Phelps p

  118. AAA June 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Twins get: John Ryan Murphy
    Yankees get: Josh Willingham

    ==================================

    Ick!

    I think you could get Willingham for less than Murphy.

  119. Chip June 30th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Thoughts?

    ————-

    We’re trying to package Murphy for Stanton, Chip, get your head in the game
    —————–

    Meh, two years from now you’ll be able to use Torrens in that deal it’s fine.

  120. Patrick June 30th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    @KenDavidoff
    #Yankees lineup: Gardner LF, Jeter SS, Ellsbury CF, Teixeira 1B, McCann C, Beltran DH, Johnson 3B, Roberts 2B, Suzuki RF. Phelps p

    Same shh different day zzzzz

  121. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Acquiring Willingham is exactly the kind of band aid move I’m tired of seeing.

    Cashman and Co. might be the world’s best checkers player. Too bad they totally suck at chess though.

  122. 86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Boy is Soriano the forgotten man! Not that I disagree, but it has to be embarrassing.

    I wouldn’t do Murphy for Willingham. I would do Romine and maybe a replacement OF. He’d be a pretty good fit for this team’s needs.

  123. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    In all seriousness, I wouldn’t move JR for Willingham. Not worth it, IMO, as it doesn’t make the team that much better. A marginal upgrade maybe for a really good young talent in Murph.

    :arrow:

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    I really don’t think we can trade our way out of this situation…..we have to get young players from our organization to develop into every day players……..until then trading for one player to add offense will not help much….we have numerous holes…….too many to plug I’m afraid……I picked the wrong year to retire and buy a season ticket package…… :)

  125. 86w183 June 30th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Giuseppe — in-season trades are almost always Band-Aid type moves. Summertime blockbusters may happen in the movie theaters, but not in MLB any more.

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