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Yankees postgame: Swept away by the Rays/Sabathia’s rehab start

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Brian McCann

 

Well, this series didn’t go too well for the Yankees. The last-place Rays have been playing better, but still …

The Yankees sure weren’t expecting to get swept by them. The 6-3 win gave Tampa Bay a season-high five-game winning streak and the Yankees a season-high five-game losing streak.

They are now a losing team for the first time since they were 5-6 on April 11. After nine losses in 11 games, they are 41-42 and 4 1/2 back of the Blue Jays.

“The talent is in that room,” Joe Girardi said. “We just need to play better. It’s a lot of different phases. You can look at almost every phase and say we need to play better. We’ve got to find a way to get it done.”

The run production is the most glaring phase right now. The Yankees had 10 hits. They left nine on base. The RISP count was an RIP count — 1 for 9.

“Obviously offense has been an issue,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “It’s been an issue all season. We’ve got to turn it around somehow. … It’s not for a lack of effort.”

Long indicated that Carlos Beltran (two singles) and Brian McCann (single, solo homer) appear to be making progress. McCann (seen in the photo above executing his home-run swing) eliminated a toe tap from his mechanics in this game, according to Long. Apparently it helped. McCann was happy to produce.

But as he put it, “When you lose, it’s irrevelent.”

The Yankees also finished a 15-game stretch against the AL East.

“It started off good and ended bad,” Girardi said.

It ended at 6-9.

“I thought you were going to say 2-13,” said Brett Gardner, who tied his career high with his eighth homer and is batting .288 overall after this three-hit game. “We just haven’t played good.”

So it’s on to 11 straight on the road before the All-Star break. It starts Thursday night in Minnesota.

“We’ve got to pick each other up,” Gardner said. “We’ve got to pitch better and we’ve got to hit better and find a way to give our pitchers the lead a lot more often.”

CC Sabathia made his second rehab start Wednesday night, this one at Trenton. The lefty threw 33 of his 55 pitches for strikes in 3 2/3 against Portland. He gave up five runs, three of them earned, five hits and one walk. He hit one batter and struck out two.

Alex Rodriguez is back in the news. Sports Illustrated has an excerpt from a new book claiming MLB gave A-Rod permission to use a PED – testosterone – through a therapeutic use exemption in his MVP season of 2007.

MLB countered with a statement:

“All decisions regarding whether a player shall receive a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) under the Joint Drug Program are made by the Independent Program Administrator (IPA) in consultation with outside medical experts, with no input by either the Office of the Commissioner or the Players Association.  The process is confidentially administered by the IPA, and MLB and the MLBPA are not even made aware of which players applied for TUEs.

“The TUE process under the Joint Drug Program is comparable to the process under the World Anti-Doping Code.  The standard for receiving a TUE for a medication listed as a performance-enhancing substance is stringent, with only a few such TUEs being issued each year by the IPA.  MLB and the MLBPA annually review the TUE process to make sure it meets the most up-to-date standards for the issuance of TUEs.

“As recommended by the Mitchell Report, since 2008 MLB and the MLBPA have publicly issued the IPA’s annual report, which documents how many TUEs were granted for each category of medication.  We believe this high level of transparency helps to ensure the proper operation of the TUE process.”

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318 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Swept away by the Rays/Sabathia’s rehab start”

  1. Hankflorida July 2nd, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Aside from the two home runs, the Yankees scored one run on eight hits. They were one for nine with RISP. During the five game losing streak, the Yankees scored thirteen runs, batted .210, hit five home runs, we’re 5/37 with RISP and the pitching had an ERA of 3.94. Without a doubt, this blueprint that Cashman put together looks like a failure as these players do not compliment each other. It may be too late for this year but he has to go back to the drawing board and reverse the power outage or find players that can move the line especially when the pitchers are bearing down.

  2. Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Something to look forward to….Not!
    —————-

    @mattkardos

    Sabathia issues a walk and a hard-hit double over Mason Williams head in CF. CC not fooling Portland with anything

  3. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Sounds like the yanks signed all the guys theybwerencpnnecred to today…..which is great…..aside from the fact that they are all at least 5 years away

  4. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Yea I just kinda doubt CC is much if any better than what they have when he comes back

  5. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Yes Blake.

    5 yrs. down the road you might have something to look forward to.

    :)

  6. Patrick July 2nd, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    I would say Patty that MANY here were optimistic after the OS.
    Adding McCann, Beltran, Ellsbury and TANAKA caused that.
    85 wins, that’s barely over .500.
    This has been unpredictable…so far.
    I haven’t given up hope.

    Well the fans that were optimistic are turning out to be wrong. Many (including myself) had this team at 85 wins or less. The rest of baseball fandom had the Yankees around the same amount. Every projection model had the Yankees there as well. Don’t act as if its a new idea that the Yankees are a .500 team.

  7. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Blake-

    I’m afraid you might be right about CC.

    Perhaps he will be able to eat more innings than Nuno though. So that is something.

    We have to hope he can be effective.

    And that Pineda can make it back for the stretch run.

    ;)

  8. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Ken Davidoff ?@KenDavidoff 1m
    Rough third inning for Sabathia. Two runs, 20 pitches. A triple, a double and a walk. Fastball 89-93 on scoreboard gun. #Yankees

  9. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    93 is higher than I saw all year from CC

  10. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    MTU -

    I’ll likely disappoint, but know that change IS in the wind. Specifically, we talked a couple of weeks ago as the likely target for change being the road trip that starts tomorrow. There are a few things that are likely, but I have to respect the folks that I listen to, and not be too specific. Some of the stuff that’s in the works is not final yet.

    Not really sexy, but the best thing that can happen is getting some of the new guys going again. Unfortunately, it’s been a perfect storm up to this point. McCann’s AB’s look much better, as do Beltran’s. To the untrained eye, likely not, because most fans are results-oriented. The insiders will tell you that both are “close”.

    I’ll post some more as the evening allows.

    Steve

  11. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    “93 is higher than I saw all year from CC”

    Davidoff said in an earlier tweet that he hit 94 in the 1st inning.

  12. chicken_stanley July 2nd, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    Patrick – I picked 95 games and knew I was being optimistic but I honestly thought the Yanks were a 90-91 win team. Oh well

  13. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    BTW, re: CC -

    Don’t fuss too much about his results. This part of the rehab can be ugly if you only look at results. Believe me, Stick is not looking at results. CC has a script of pitches that he’s throwing without regard to situation, batter, etc.

    Breathe….

    Steve

  14. rm July 2nd, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    With all of the negative talk coming out of the Yankee FO. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cash tried to blow up the whole team maybe even replace 3 or 4 starters and take a chance on a kid. Tanaka might be the only untouchable player on the roster. He may even add somebody completely outrageous like Pujols. But he can only do that if somebody is willing to trade with him.

  15. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Chicken,

    I predicted 85 last year and jumped that to 90 this year. I think we were all pretty optimistic this spring, but I thought for sure they were at least 5 games better than last year. Still might be.

  16. chicken_stanley July 2nd, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    sammie – youre right – still could be.

  17. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    It makes no difference to me if they fire Kevin Long this winter but I hardly think firing him now is going to make aging hitters young and in their prime again.

  18. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    I think McCann is looking better at the plate…..I’ve been saying that for a couple of weeks now….he’s letting the ball travel more and he’s getting back to what he does well. Beltran is up and down….sometimes he looks like himself and the bat speed is there and other times he looks like he’s in pain……I figure it’ll be that way all season

  19. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Interesting story on Arod

    “The process is confidentially administered by the IPA, and MLB and the MLBPA are not even made aware of which players applied for TUEs.”

    If thats the case, then how did MLB submit as evidence to the arbitrator Arods applications for TUE’s?

    Also, if MLB granted him a TUE in 2007 which allowed him to use testosterone, and one in 2008 that allowed him to use a fertility drug, why was he not given TUE’s for testosterone in subsequent years?.

    If Arods testosterone levels are so depressed due to a medical condition that he can not effectively play baseball without synthetic testosterone which is not permitted by MLB, 1) does this provide Arod and the Yankees grounds for a medical retirement that allows the Yankees to collect on insurance for the balance of what Arod is owed, and 2), get Arods salary for the next 3 years off the books.

    Folks, this is a potentionally HUGE, HUGE, HUGE story in the making with HUMONGOUS implications for the Yankees (all good)

    Looking at the dark side, Arod may be playing the next 3 years with testosterone levels no higher than your little sisters.

  20. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    rm July 2nd, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    With all of the negative talk coming out of the Yankee FO. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cash tried to blow up the whole team maybe even replace 3 or 4 starters and take a chance on a kid.

    —-

    It’s not in their DNA to do that but I wish they would have gone that route a year ago when they had assets to trade.

  21. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Davidoff said in an earlier tweet that he hit 94 in the 1st inning”

    That’s very positive if so….he hasn’t had that all year

  22. Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Velocity doesn’t matter as much as location with CC. He was never a location pitcher and that is hurting him big time the last 2 years. If he can’t locate then it doesn’t matter what he throws…he is done.

  23. Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Nick Peruffo

    That’s it for CC. 3.2IP, 5H, 3R/ER, 1BB, 2K, 55 pitches, 35 strikes

  24. austinmac July 2nd, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Wanzies,

    Are they solely looking at pitching?

  25. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Perhaps he will be able to eat more innings than Nuno though. So that is something.

    ===================

    On the contrary, with a degenerative knee the Yankees will have to carefully limit his innings.

    Also, why would you want a 5+ ERA SP’er to pitch more innings?

  26. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    “Velocity doesn’t matter as much as location with CC. He was never a location pitcher and that is hurting him big time the last 2 years. If he can’t locate then it doesn’t matter what he throws…he is done.”

    That’s why velocity matters…..

  27. rm July 2nd, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Giuseppe, You are probably right But they seem desperate enough to do just about anything.

  28. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    Thanks Steve.

    Please add what you can.

    I be looking out for it.

    Glad to know that at least some things are in the works.

    :)

  29. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    rm July 2nd, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Giuseppe, You are probably right But they seem desperate enough to do just about anything.

    —–

    I just hope desperate doesn’t eventually lead to stupid.

  30. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    GF – Could you shed some light on the Arod exemption for us?

    He applied and was granted the ability to take testosterone in 2007 by MLB due to his body’s inability to produce it naturally it seems. My question is, would Alex ever be able to produce the right levels of testosterone naturally again after possibly using synthetic testosterone for maybe ten years or so?

  31. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Pete-

    I’m hoping he’ll be a little better than that when he returns.

    Not expecting miracles.

    Maybe 7 innings of 4 run ball.

    That is generally more than Nuno offers and it will spare the pen more.

    That’s all I was thinking.

  32. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Velocity doesn’t matter as much as location with CC. He was never a location pitcher and that is hurting him et away abig time the last 2 years. If he can’t locate then it doesn’t matter what he throws…he is done.
    =======================

    Yeah, I mean, CC was always about velocity. He could miss location at 95 and get away with it. He can’t get away with missed location at 89-91, and as you said, he was never a location guy, and its hard to expect an aging pitcher with degenerative knee to suddenly become a Greg Maddux.

    CC’s best role may be in the pen, lefties still can’t hit him even at reduced velocity and his velocity would pick up in the pen, and it would save his knee, but I don’t expect to get any support for that

  33. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    CC will not come back like a front end guy. Cash should pull out his ‘#3′ line for him…and that could be a kind label.

  34. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Pete-

    I’m hoping he’ll be a little better than that when he returns.

    Not expecting miracles.

    Maybe 7 innings of 4 run ball.

    That is generally more than Nuno offers and it will spare the pen more.

    That’s all I was thinking.
    ======================

    No harm in hoping. I think we worry too much about the pen. Yankees starters second in AL East in IP/GS

  35. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Pete – I appreciate the effort but I don’t think that’s grounds for not being able to play baseball, medically speaking.

  36. Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Blake,

    Since you mentioned it before…

    The Yanks were also linked to shortstop Christopher Torres (No. 18), but that deal fell through, according to Torres’ trainer, Orlando Mazara.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....d=20140702

  37. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    I think a big part of CC’s problem is mental…there’s a stubbornness that can hold guys back. Think Moose circa 2007. In order for CC to be effective he’s going to have to reinvent himself. From every thing I’ve seen from him, he looks like he’s still trying to pitch like the guy that has the stuff he had before.

  38. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    FWIW re: CC -

    His FB is not going to get much higher than 91-92, which is fine. His weight has nothing to do with his velocity, it’s a result of the elbow surgery he had after 2012.

    The key to CC’s effectiveness is going to be how much he trusts his CU and to a secondary degree, his cutter. Internally, the team and CC have addressed the issue.

    We’ll see how he does.

    Steve

  39. pat July 2nd, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    “If thats the case, then how did MLB submit as evidence to the arbitrator Arods applications for TUE’s?”

    You think Randy Levine didn’t know about the TUE when he challenged Alex to allow the Yankees to release all his medical records?

  40. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Things in the AL Least are ugly.

    Whatever happened to the days of .600 ball clubs being at the top of the division ?

    This used to be the best Division in Baseball.

  41. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    And to think I used to laugh at the AL Central and AL West.

    :)

  42. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    pat July 2nd, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    “If thats the case, then how did MLB submit as evidence to the arbitrator Arods applications for TUE’s?”

    You think Randy Levine didn’t know about the TUE when he challenged Alex to allow the Yankees to release all his medical records?
    ====================

    I think MLB and owners all know. I was calling BS on MLB’s claim they don’t know who gets a TUE

  43. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Things in the AL Least are ugly.

    Whatever happened to the days of .600 ball clubs being at the top of the division ?

    This used to be the best Division in Baseball.
    ==============================

    Up until 2008 the AL East was a candy division for the Yankees, with at least two 90-100 loss teams in it. While there are no very good teams, there are no real awful teams now that the Rays are back on track winning 14 of 21

    I do agree the power has shifted to the West, although the Astros and Rangers are not very good

  44. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Cubs mugging Workman.

    Another great Sux Pitching prospect.

    Hysterical.

    :)

  45. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Three hits in the first game for Pirela, including a double. Avg for the 24 year-old back above .320. While 38 year-old Soriano just keeps striking out.

    Only one hit for Refs. He’s in a slump.

    Two hits and three times on base for Dugas. I told you guys to watch out for him about a month ago before his promotion. All he does is get on base at a 40% clip at every level. Now over .300 in AAA. Some smart GM should get him thrown in on a deal. A nice cheap OF option. Probably score over 100 runs in MLs for a team that could hit.

    Fowler getting back on the stick with a homer after his short injury break. 19 year old CF with possible power in the Sally league. For those keeping track that’s three years younger than Judge. As I pointed out yesterday, prospects like him and Mason Williams have a much more forgiving path to the MLs than a college guy like Judge.

    Except Mason is now below .220.

  46. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Pete-

    The Rangers had a ton of hard luck this season.

    They should be a lot better.

    Kind of like us.

    ;)

  47. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Would be nice if CC could get minor leaguers out.

  48. mick July 2nd, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Is CC going to save this team?
    Sorry, but he could be done.
    Gonna have to get a new FA SP or 2 next year.
    Ones that give length as this pen is about to implode. (Kelley, Warren, Betances next?)
    The only one who’s rested is Drob.

  49. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Chip,
    Yes I saw that….sounds like they did get two decent SS prospects though. Maybe one if them pans out

  50. mick July 2nd, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    I don’t think we are making any significant trades at the TD as teams will be looking to hijack our farm.
    They smell blood, Death to the Yankees is their cry.

  51. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Incredible how a projected rotation of CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, Nova, and Pineda turned into this:

    Tanaka, Kuroda, Phelps, Whitley, and Nuno.

    Downright depressing.

  52. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    FWIW re: CC -

    His FB is not going to get much higher than 91-92, which is fine. His weight has nothing to do with his velocity, it’s a result of the elbow surgery he had after 2012.
    =================

    I have read studies that show weight does improve velocity, and losing weight may reduce it . While the elbow may have had something to do with reduced velocity as well, not to mention age and wear and tear on elbow/shoulder, his weight caused the knees to degenerate more rapidly, and it may very well its his knee that is most behind the drop in velocity, and may have prompted CC to reduce his weight. All of these may be inter-related so it may not be just 1 thing.

    91-92 may be fine, but its not as good as 94-95 and could very well be the difference between being a #1-#2 guy and a #3-#4 guy (or worse).

  53. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Mick-

    I really would rather they hold onto their best prospects if all they are gonna do is get a mediocre return for them.

  54. mick July 2nd, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    MTU

    It’s eerily similar to what happened to the offense last season.
    They’re giving it the old college try this year with the pitching like the O tried last year.
    Next year will be Part 2, let’s hope the sequel is better.

  55. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Mick-

    Next season we’ll probably add someone like Hardy and possibly Lester if he decides to bolt.

    And we will have cleared out a lot of the deadwood.

    So yes. Let’s hope.

  56. mick July 2nd, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    This team is too uptight.
    No wonder their road record is better than their home.
    Who is going to step up?
    McCann is not as feisty as we thought.
    Beltran is old and hurt.
    Ellsbury is not a # 3 hitter.
    Soriano wants to play everyday and be our savior like last year.
    This team is dysfunctional.
    Now watch them sweep the Twins.
    Less pressure on the road.

  57. chicken_stanley July 2nd, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    let’s hope the sequel is better.

    ———————–

    I hope their sequel is better than Caddyshack 2 :)

  58. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    GF – Could you shed some light on the Arod exemption for us?

    He applied and was granted the ability to take testosterone in 2007 by MLB due to his body’s inability to produce it naturally it seems. My question is, would Alex ever be able to produce the right levels of testosterone naturally again after possibly using synthetic testosterone for maybe ten years or so?

    —–

    I don’t claim to be an expert on the topic but I do know a quite a few guys who take testosterone (among other things).

    Some of them naturally had low T and it was prescribed by their doctor and the others who use it are competition bodybuilders and performance athletes (they get their stuff from online suppliers).

    In cases when it is used for athletics and not for medical purposes the athlete typically goes on a 10-12 week cycle and also take an estrogen blocker to decrease or eliminate some of the side effects like bloating as well as gynecomastia (man boobs).

    Once the cycle is over the athlete takes a PCT (post cycle therapy) for a few weeks or a month to get your body functions back to normal. The reason why test can cause the testicles to shrink is because the body suppresses their natural test production while on it but should go back to normal once the athlete cycles off.

    Extended use and abuse can absolutely eff up your natural test production. But there is a major distinction between “use” and “abuse”.

    Simply using it may or may not do long term damage to your body but because athletes tend to feel like Superman in the weight room it is very easy to abuse. So abusing it can indeed do permanent damage to your natural test production. I believe it happened to Jose Canseco as well.

    Obviously, I have no idea exactly what A-Rod took and what doses and for how long, but yeah, it wouldn’t shock me at all if his body’s natural test production is effed up for good.

    Not all synthetic test is the same – just like not every restaurant in the country makes the same hamburger. Some companies have better quality stuff than others and there are also different blends. But A-Rod obviously has the financial capacity to get the best of the best.

    Hope all that rambling answers your question.

    And before anyone gets the wrong idea….the answer is no, I’ve never tried any of that stuff. I’ve just picked up a lot of info from guys I know who were honest about it.

    I had my testosterone levels checked about 2 years ago and my doc told me they were really high (850) for a male at my age.

    So I ain’t effin with something that ain’t broken.

  59. MG July 2nd, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    If CC is throwing 91-92 now that is an encouraging sign as he wasn’t even close to that all spring and early in the season.

    It’s all up to him now to refine his pitching style, hopefully the knee stays solid.

    No one has any idea of what he will bring when he is back in the rotation after the ASB, it is wait and see time…

  60. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    AR/Solarte/Headley, Hardy, Pirela/Refsnyder, Tex

    GGBG, Ellsbury, X

    McCann/Cervelli

    Beltran DH

    Tanaka, Lester, Pineda, X, Phelps

    Nova/Warren

    Not bad.

    :)

  61. austinmac July 2nd, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Refs had a hard line drive caught in the first game and has a hit in his first AB in the second.

  62. Captain Clutch July 2nd, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    The question is can CC be better than Nuno? Nuno can usually give them 4 good innings and then the balls get hit 500 feet and the wheels fall off. I think he can be, which isn’t high expectations at all sadly but we will find out.

  63. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    GF – Thanks for the info. Really good stuff.

    This is a really interesting situation, regardless, but I would love to know if that book has.more details on the amount he was allowed and how he was granted the exemption.

  64. 4TrainNorth July 2nd, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Some good TUE candidates on this team.

  65. Jerkface July 2nd, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Imagine if we had Cano on this team and then in 5-7 years all these latin american prospects would come up and be mentored by great player robinson cano :<

    Hopefully A-rod can stick around as a coach or special instructor once his contract is up.

  66. GordoMillones July 2nd, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Im glad we managed to sign tanaka I hope he can stay strong for the years to come

  67. I Am Winning July 2nd, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Nuno is a 4/5 innings pitcher giving up 3/4 runs. CC is a 6/7 inning pitcher giving up 4/5 runs. It’s a perfect case of ‘choose your poison.’

  68. Triple Short of a Cycle July 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Imagine if we had Cano on this team and then in 5-7 years all these latin american prospects would come up and be mentored by great player robinson cano :<

    ————————-

    Forgetting about an extension but you would have given Cano the 10 year contract he wanted?

  69. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Judge is definitely a better prospect than Fowler he will be blowing by him easily. Now I think Fowler will end up being a better prospect than Zolio Almonte in the end that could very well be true I am just not sure that like Almonte Fowler will hit for average (to date neither Fowler or Almonte have hit above .300 at any stop in the minors). Judge easily hits for average already, which is the scary thing about him, his plate discipline already and being 6’7″ his athleticism is something that cannot be taught to an Almonte regardless of their ages and if anything Judge will be able to match and surpass Almonte’s 25 bb to 103 strikeout ratio in his first trip to AA next year that’s easy

  70. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Dugas is an asset for the team not a trade chip

  71. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    FYI. Apologies for the length.

    ” Scout.com’s Kiley McDaniel reports that the Yankees have signed Venezuelan outfielder Jonathan Amundary for a rumored $1.5MM bonus and Dominican outfielder Antonio Arias for a rumored $1MM (Twitter links).

    Amundary is described by Badler as a toolsy project that has a crudeness about many aspects of his game but comes with plenty of upside. He ranked seventh on MLB.com’s list and 22nd on BA’s. Arias ranked ninth on MLB.com’s list and 28th on BA’s. Badler writes that Arias, like Amundary, is all about projection. Sanchez likens him to a Cameron Maybin style player and praises his quick hands, good balance and aggressiveness at the dish.

    5:50pm: Badler now reports that the Yankees have inked Korean shortstop Hyo-Jun Park — his No. 18 prospect and No. 13 on MLB.com’s list. Park is a bit older than most prospects, as he is an 18-year-old high school senior out of Korea. Scouts feel he can stick at shortstop with plus speed and athleticism. Sanchez notes that while his power is his weakest tool, some believe he could hit 10+ homers once he adds some strength.

    5:36pm: Ben Badler of Baseball America reports that the Yankees have added to their impressive haul on this year’s international market by signing his No. 2 ranked prospect — Dominican outfielder Juan De Leon. The 16-year-old De Leon ranked No. 5 on the Top 30 list of MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez. Badler notes (subscription required) that he has the potential for plus power due thanks to possessing the best bat speed in this year’s class. De Leon has a strong arm and average speed, and scouts are split on whether he can remain in center field or will have to slide over to right, per scouting reports from Badler and Sanchez.

    Also from Badler, the Yankees have signed Venezuelan catcher Miguel Flames, who ranked 16th on BA’s Top 30 and 25th on MLB.com’s list. The former third baseman draws praise for raw power, a strong throwing arm and good plate discipline, but he needs more work behind the plate and may have to move to first in some scouts’ opinions, per Sanchez.

    3:05pm: Shortstop Dermis Garcia has agreed to a $3.2MM bonus with the Yankees, reports Dionisio Soldevila of ESPNDeportes.com (via Twitter). Garcia landed at the very top of MLB.com‘s list of the top prospects, while checking in at ninth on that of Baseball America, which said the key question is whether he can transition his power into game action. Kiley McDaniel first connected the two sides back in February, with Robert Murray tweeting last month that the two were circling in on an “approximate” $3.2MM bonus that proved to be the final amount.

    2:20pm: The Yankees have also agreed to a $1.35MM bonus with Wilkerman Garcia, tweets Sanchez. Garcia, a shortstop, appeared at seventh on Baseball America’s list of the top international prospects and 14th on that of MLB.com.

    12:38pm: The Yankees have agreed to a $2.25MM bonus with international prospect Nelson Gomez, reports MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez (via Twitter). Gomez is an infielder out of the Dominican Republic. Murray also approximated a $2.25MM bonus for Gomez last month (Twitter link).

    Prospect analysts agree that Gomez is one of the best players available, with MLB.com ranking him second overall and Baseball America putting him at sixth. He has a large frame and offers power at the plate and with his arm. Those physical tools could play anywhere on the diamond, but of course his value depends in part upon his position. Though MLB.com says there is some chance he could stick at short, BA sees him as a third baseman who could have to shift over to first or into the outfield.

    The Yankees have been widely expected to blow past their $2,193,100 bonus allocation, and Gomez’s reported bonus accounts for more than that on its own.”

  72. Jerkface July 2nd, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Forgetting about an extension but you would have given Cano the 10 year contract he wanted?

    Yup. Once they signed Ellsbury it only made sense to also sign Cano. And it made even more sense to sign Cano instead of Ellsbury.

    The order of things goes:

    1. Should have extended Cano before
    2. Should have made a serious run at cano in the offseason to get a discounted contract
    3. Should have signed Cano for his offered discount
    4. Should have traded Cano
    5. Should not have signed Cano

    The fact they got to #5 without doing any of the other 4 options was seriously bad.

  73. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    The Yankees definitely went to town w their IFA signings.

    :shock:

  74. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    GF – Thanks for the info. Really good stuff.

    This is a really interesting situation, regardless, but I would love to know if that book has.more details on the amount he was allowed and how he was granted the exemption.

    ——

    I’m not at all well versed on the doses but I would imagine that whatever he was allowed by MLB would largely depend on what his natural test levels were at the time he got the exemption.

    So a higher does allowed would seem to indicate that his natural test levels are very low.

    But, obviously, that’s just speculation on my part.

  75. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    The order of things goes:

    1. Should have extended Cano before
    2. Should have made a serious run at cano in the offseason to get a discounted contract
    3. Should have signed Cano for his offered discount
    4. Should have traded Cano
    5. Should not have signed Cano

    i could be reading this wrong but shouldn’t 4 be no. 2 not sure if you mean chronological or whether your preference on what to have done with cano

  76. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    The Yankees definitely went to town w their IFA signings.

    if mlb.com is to be believe i think there are three more top 30 signings coming

  77. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    If the Yankees were always going to hold the line at 175 million for Cano then they were crazy to not trade him…..because he was never staying for that.

    When you’re the Yankees Id rather give 10 years for the best player than 7 for a lesser one……especially when the lesser one gets hurt a lot.

  78. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Btw….my criticism of the FO regarding the Yanks’ IFA haul is that they should have been doing that 5-6 years ago.

    Perhaps they wouldn’t be in this mess otherwise.

  79. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Love the aggressiveness in the international market (they should have been doing this every year) but the hard part is that now these guys kinda go away for awhile and we really don’t see them here for a year or two…….most of them don’t even start playing minor league ball until they are 18

  80. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    .most of them don’t even start playing minor league ball until they are 18

    there should be more stateside given two GCL teams now

  81. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    “there should be more stateside given two GCL teams now”

    Yea but I think it’s more of an age thing than having room in rookie ball…..these kids are like 16 years old……seems like they work with them at the academies for awhile usually before bringing them to the states

  82. pat July 2nd, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Shame

    This might answer some of your questions…..

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....a-rod-peds

    IF Carrolll is accurate, Yankees knew in 2007 that Alex had a TUE.

  83. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Yea but I think it’s more of an age thing than having room in rookie ball…..these kids are like 16 years old……seems like they work with them at the academies for awhile usually before bringing them to the states

    while true the yanks usually bring over their best 16 going on 17 years old stateside like Leonardo Molina (who is still 16) this year who was the big july 2nd signing last year 2013 the same i believe was true for Miguel Andujar and possibly Luis Torrens before him and then most famously Jesus Montero

    the difference this year is that the yanks signed a whole bunch of big ticket items like molina, andujar, torrens, and monteros so a good bunch of them may come stateside

    ex: http://www.baseball-reference......lina000leo

  84. austinmac July 2nd, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Only a rare few seem to play in the GCL the year after they were drafted. That’s one way to see what the team thinks about their development.

  85. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    should have added sanchez to that list too

  86. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    Only a rare few seem to play in the GCL the year after they were drafted.

    the difference this year is that yanks may have signed 6-8 rare few as opposed to other years when they would target 1 and maybe 2

  87. austinmac July 2nd, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    We might see the Korean guy in the GCL. He’s 18.

  88. austinmac July 2nd, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    Next year may well be different. I hope so. That would be a good sign they like what they see.

  89. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Yea we will see…..I hope they are aggressive with them

  90. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Anyone know why the Yankees converted Refsnyder from an OF to IF ?

    He seems to have plenty of bat.

  91. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    MTU says:
    July 2, 2014 at 9:48 pm
    Anyone know why the Yankees converted Refsnyder from an OF to IF ?

    Id say because they have no infielders…..

  92. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Blake-

    What made them think he could make such a radical shift ?

    And they have Pirela and Wheeler.

    And now Solarte.

    Seems to me they could use a good COF’er even more.

    ;)

  93. blake July 2nd, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    If you can play 2b then that’s always more valuable than an outfielder…..harder to find….especially ones that can hit.

    I wish they’d call him up…..sadly Roberts has been Stewied into the circle of trust

  94. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:50 pm
    Blake-

    What made them think he could make such a radical shift ?

    from fangraphs if it helps: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....refsnyder/

    Refsnyder is hitting .519/.649/.963 over his last 10 games at the Triple-A level. To refer to his streak as “hot” would be a significant understatement. The young second baseman is quietly (especially for a Yankees prospect) becoming an intriguing prospect and quite possibly a tantalizing trade target for clubs sniffing around New York’s minor league system in advance of this month’s trade deadline.

    Refsnyder — a 2012 fifth rounder out of the University of Arizona — opened the year in Double-A and hit .342/.385/.548 in 60 games. That earned him a promotion to Triple-A where his 1.100 OPS through 20 games has eye opening. The middle infield prospect also hit very well during his first full pro season in 2013 while splitting the year between two A-ball levels.

    The 23-year-old Refsnyder utilizes a short stroke that helps him get to the ball quickly. A contact I spoke to noted the prospect’s high contact rate against all types of pitches as a key reason why he’s been so successful with the bat. He has a strong eye and doesn’t chase bad offerings very often.

    Every time I’ve seen him play, he’s hustled out of the box regardless of where he hits it or how hard. He’s not loaded with immense talent but he has the makings of a solid big league hitter. The down side to his offensive game is that his value is tied mostly to his ability to hit for average. His swing is not geared to hit the ball a long way, although I’m told he’s gotten noticeably stronger since turning pro and he’s certainly seen an increase in his Isolated Slugging (ISO) rate from .120 last year to .218 this season. The young athlete doesn’t run much despite average, or a tick better, speed.

    Defensively, Refsnyder struggles at times at second base but, to be fair, he was mainly an outfielder in college and wasn’t moved to second base until he turned pro less than three years ago. He may not be quite ready to play everyday at the keystone, even if his bat is up for the big league challenge, but he should be average or better in time. The contact I spoke to referred to the improvements Refsnyder has made as “extraordinary” and feels the prospect has seen improvements because of his natural athleticism and hard work.

  95. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Blake-

    Pirela looks just about as good and he is a 2b.

    Whatever.

    And yes I’d love to see them give either Pirela or Refs a shot.

    Pirela, in particular, has earned it.

  96. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    Still doesn’t say why the Yankees did it but thanks for all that Cano.

  97. pat July 2nd, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    BenBadler
    Yankees got 3 of the 4 best prospects signed today, including Juan De Leon. Red Sox signed 2 of the top 3 pitchers: http://bit.ly/1iWWp2F

  98. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    Apparently zealous wheeler is bring promoted.
    Guess that means a demotion for solarte.

  99. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    “Judge is definitely a better prospect than Fowler”

    —–

    Whether Prospect A is better than Prospect B in A ball is pretty much like counting the number of angels dancing on a head of a pin. That kind of stuff may be fun for the Prospect Industry but it’s pretty meaningless overall.

    The only real relevant questions regarding prospects are what is likelihood that a prospect can help the big league club and what is the prospect worth in a trade. Until a prospect succeeds in AA it’s really not possible to answer those questions. Even hot prospects in A ball like Severino (who’s about as hot as it gets) have very little current trade value because they are just so far away from the big leagues.

    But if you do find top 100 lists interesting, until Fowler missed a few games to injury, he had been tracking Mason Williams’ performance when Williams was in the Sally League. After Williams season in the Sally League in 2012, where he OPS’d .848 at age 20, he became a top 50 prospect. Fowler is 19 in the Sally League, also playing CF and is said to have superior defensive tools. It may be interesting to see how Fowler is regarded nationally as a prospect if he finishes off strong this year. He does seem to already have more power than Williams.

  100. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    Not surprising ac.

    If Solarte pulls it together he’ll be back.

  101. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    Glad to see at least some guys getting promotions they have earned.
    Need to see more…

  102. Emaciated July 2nd, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    The Rays took a bite out of the big apple.

  103. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    yup.

  104. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Wheeler is not on the 40 man though. Going to take both a 25 man & a 40 man move.

  105. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Gonna need a couple 40 man spots. CC is on the 60 day and coming back in a few weeks.

  106. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    “Anyone know why the Yankees converted Refsnyder from an OF to IF ?”

    —–

    I don’t think the Yanks converted Refs to 2b. He was drafted as a 2b prospect. I believe he was a 2b in HS but moved to the OF in college to help his team. It was well known even when he was in college that he’d turn pro as a 2b. He could have improved his draft status significantly if he played 2b in college but chose not to for the benefit of his team.

    At least that’s how the story goes.

  107. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Whether Prospect A is better than Prospect B in A ball is pretty much like counting the number of angels dancing on a head of a pin.

    no Judge is better than Fowler regardless of what level they are at Judge is a much better hitter he is also just as athletic as Fowler apples and oranges between the two

  108. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Guessing dean Anna and Matt Daley off the 40…

  109. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Loving the stuff on the IFAs even though it will be a while before most contribute. Still…It’s something to be excited about.

  110. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    For Wheeler they could kill two birds with one stone and just DFA Soriano.

  111. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Shame, it’s the only thing to to be excited about right now….

  112. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    No he is the answer on Refsnyder it came down to whether he had enough power to play the OF which is very ironic right now:

    “Refsnyder will begin his professional career this summer playing for the Staten Island Yankees in Short-Season A-ball and will then head to extended spring training. There, Refsnyder, who is an outfielder for Arizona, will begin work as a second baseman, what the Yankees drafted him as, because the team is unsure if his power will translate to the next level.”

    http://nypost.com/2012/06/20/a.....anization/

  113. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    just DFA Soriano.

    idk are they really allowed to get rid of veterans on this team who have many years on their baseball cards??

  114. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    thanks Dan.

    Much appreciated.

  115. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    it had to do about concerns of his power translating see above

  116. ac1 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Soriano should be dfa’d. Maybe there is a team that thinks they can play him into a hot streak and will give up a low level prospect…. At least get something maybe….

  117. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    “no Judge is better than Fowler regardless of what level they are at Judge is a much better hitter he is also just as athletic as Fowler apples and oranges between the two”

    ——

    If comparing apples to oranges means Judge is three years older than Fowler then you are correct.

    As far as their true value is concerned, we won’t know that until if and when both players get to AA.

  118. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Same Cano.

    thanks for satisfying my curiosity.

  119. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    Refsnyder was actually a pitcher and SS in HS and not a 2b

    http://www.maxpreps.com/athlet.....efault.htm

  120. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    we won’t know that until if and when both players get to AA.

    yeah you can it is how they came to do the decision of how to scout and draft the players simple fact Judge was higher rated than Fowler in 2013 draft and that had NOTHING to do with age again apples and oranges and AA is just another arbitrary line b/c the only line that matters is the major leagues heck by your analysis Betances should have been “dead” a long time ago

  121. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    At some point soon Pineda is going to have to show that he can stay healthy for an extended
    period of time.

    Otherwise……

    The Yankees have invested almost 3 years trying to do that very thing.

    Damn labrums.

    :(

  122. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    “your analysis Betances should have been “dead” a long time ago”

    —-

    I’m pretty sure Betances was/is a pitcher. He did pull a Lazarus didn’t he? You can look that up too.

  123. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 7:50 pm
    MTU -

    I’ll likely disappoint, but know that change IS in the wind. Specifically, we talked a couple of weeks ago as the likely target for change being the road trip that starts tomorrow. There are a few things that are likely, but I have to respect the folks that I listen to, and not be too specific. Some of the stuff that’s in the works is not final yet.

    Not really sexy, but the best thing that can happen is getting some of the new guys going again.

    thanks wanzies

    i agree this is the bed that was made the players here especially the boppers that were brought in will have to step up and perform to their contracts

  124. Cashmoney July 2nd, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    Yanks will do something before sunk too low… say -4, it’s a matter of probability to me.

  125. Missing Cano July 2nd, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    I’m pretty sure Betances was/is a pitcher.

    so now we are distinguishing between pitcher and position players ok so the proving ground for position players is AA and the pitchers they just get to go all over the place but i seem to remember that you lumped Judge and Severino together as having no trade value or mere “throw-ins” which started me down the road of C.J. Edwards being a center piece to a trade for Garza which you hung your hat on Mike Olt and his putrid stats in the PCL a bastion of a league for inflated offensive stats

    oh and i did look it up just not lazarus:

    bigdan22 June 22nd, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    “Now on the back end of the trade you’d throw in a Severino or Judge or perhaps both.”

    OR PERHAPS BOTH??? THROW-INS TO A TRADE??

    so now Severino and Judge are “judged” by new standards from ones you employed over a week ago

    enough said and goodnight sir

  126. Emaciated July 2nd, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Wheeler to The Show.

  127. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Has there been an official announcement that Wheeler is being promoted? That really doesn’t make much sense. If you are going to send Solarte down, it makes more sense to replace him with Sizemore, who I believe is already on the roster? Sizemore has been playing a lot of 3b in Scranton and hitting lefties very well. I pointed out more than a week ago that he is a far more sensible platoon mate with Johnson at 3b than Solarte.

    Of course I’m not sure Johnson is the answer at 3b either but that’s a whole different issue.

  128. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Wheeler is likely to spend a lot of time riding the pine.

    He will platoon w KJ at 3b.

    Only will face lefties.

    I wish him well and hope he makes the most of the opportunity however limited or brief it might be.

    There are other dogs nipping at his heels so he’d better get to it.

  129. UnKnown July 2nd, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Watching game film of last years sweep at Target Field. Trying to conjure up some mojo.

    One problem though, Cano was the MVP of the series. Guy was absolutely LOCKED!!!

    And well he is gone.

  130. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    Sorry, folks, power outage tonight…

  131. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Well Wheeler has played 12 games this year in RF so maybe the Yanks are looking for that kind of versatility. At this point, anything is better than Soriano. He has hit very well this year in Scranton. Some power and on-base ability.

  132. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Steve-

    You talking the Yankees or your house ?

    :)

  133. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    MTU -

    Don’t be so sure about Wheeler sitting a lot.

    This team needs energy and versatility and, as Dan just pointed out, ZW is versatile… 2B,SS,3B,RF.

    His splits aren’t awful, and he had a decent ST.

    So we’ll see.

    Steve

  134. UnKnown July 2nd, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Came in to last years series on a 5 game losing streak too. Lets broom the Twins again and get back in the mix!!

  135. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    You talking the Yankees or your house ?

    MTU -

    I was waiting for the HR reference… you’re welcome.

    House, actually.

    Back on now.

    Spoiled, we are.

    Steve

  136. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Great Steve.

    Hope he gets a fair viewing and can contribute.

    I looked at the Twins roster. Not much there.

    Didn’t check Cleveland yet.

    I think Masterson might have been available ?

    But bat wise I am not sure who they have for us ?

  137. bbb51 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Josh Norris @jnorris427
    How about some Rob Refsnyder? #Yankees #SprayChartMadness

    https://twitter.com/jnorris427/status/484521398065700864/photo/1

  138. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    MTU -

    I’m not following…

    Steve

  139. PhiltheThrill July 2nd, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    Yanks finally went off in IFA today. Huge day.

  140. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    “so now Severino and Judge are “judged” by new standards from ones you employed over a week ago”

    ——–

    A re-post for your personal edification. From June 25th, an explanation of how pitchers and position players should be “judged” differently in the low minors:

    “Judge and Severino provide a good example of how hitters and pitchers need to be judged differently when they are prospects in the low minors.

    Leaving production totally aside (or rather assuming both are putting up good numbers), you can’t look at Judge’s swing right now and say he can hit ML pitching. You can’t even say he can hit AA pitching with any level of confidence. But it’s possible to look at Severino’s three pitches now and say, this young man will get major league hitters out with that kind of stuff. And, that kind of stuff usually gets better, especially in terms of command, as the pitcher gets older. Now you still can’t say with any certainty if Severino will be a successful ML pitcher. You can’t even say he’ll be a starter as opposed to a relief pitcher. But you can say he should be able to get ML hitters out. And conversely, you can’t say Judge will hit ML pitching.

    But there’s another real important difference between Judge and Severino as well. While you can say Severino will be able you get major leaguers out when he gets to the major leagues, you can’t say he will ever be healthy enough to get there. And after he goes through a couple somewhat routine pitcher injuries, you can’t say his stuff will be as good as it is right now (Banuelos?).

    So projecting real good A ball pitchers and hitters are two completely different matters. But of the two, I still like Severino better. By quite a bit.”

  141. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 10:56 pm

    Steve-

    You said something about the road trip.

    I surmised, perhaps incorrectly, that we might have a target w one of those teams ?

    I guess I misunderstood your earlier statement.

  142. ohengin33r July 2nd, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    Is it official that Wheeler has been called up? Solarte sent down?

    Just curious where the information is coming from.

  143. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    MTU -

    Ah…

    What I said a couple of weeks ago was that if there were changes made to the roster, it would be done on this road trip.

    ZW is the first of a few.

    Steve

  144. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    Just about time for dreamland.

    It’s the price I have to pay to be healthy and wise.

    Not exactly the life of the party am I ?

    See you all for Breakfast.

    :)

  145. pete22 July 2nd, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Incredible how a projected rotation of CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, Nova, and Pineda turned into this:
    ==================

    CC coming off a 4.73 ERA and his worst season in his career

    Kuroda at 39 coming off an awful 2nd half.

    Pineda coming off shoulder surgery and not even sure to start the season in the rotation, and expected to make no more than 20 starts.

    Tanaka new to the US and projected by the GM as a #3 guy.

    Nova off a very inconsistent 2013, brilliant for a month, not so the rest

    The rotation had a lot of question marks and pretty much everyone knew depth was going to be important, as most teams need 8-10 starters to make it through a season due to injury or poor performance. 40% of MLB SP’ers end up on the DL in any given season

    Nuno, Phelps and Whitley did pretty well until running into some AL East teams who could hit a bit better than the weak sisters they had faced early on. Although, I am not sire Boston and the Rays are good hitting teams so maybe its just the league figuring them out or a bit of fatigue

    The injury to Nova hurt as it was somewhat unexpected and expectations were high, neither can be said for CC and Pineda.

    Its really the offense that has disappointed, and compared to other teams, their position players have been relatively healthy. I do believe Beltran is hurt, but the team denies it, so what can you say, and he is only 1 guy.

  146. MTU July 2nd, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    Thanks Steve.

    Have a good rest of your evening.

    Maybe I’ll see ya’ in the AM.

    :)

  147. pat July 2nd, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    BenBadler
    Yankees add Jonathan Amundaray, the No. 22 international prospect. Complete scouting report at Baseball America: http://bit.ly/1mLU9Wz

  148. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    ‘night, Mike.

  149. sammiejohnson July 2nd, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    wanzies,

    Any idea who goes for Wheeler?

  150. bigdan22 July 2nd, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    “Yanks finally went off in IFA today. Huge day.”

    ——–

    Today, and the day the Yanks signed Tanaka, are the two most significant days of the year for this team. Hopefully they’ll be a couple more significant days in Nov and Dec.

  151. ohengin33r July 2nd, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    Wow…

    Cubbies up 14-6 against the Sux

    14 runs on 18 hits, must be nice to kind of have an offense

  152. wanzies222 July 2nd, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    sammie – I haven’t heard yet. Because he’s not on the 40 man, it’s complicated.

    Dan – Almost right. Draft day was significant…. very significant.

    I’ll channel my best “dan”…from June 8:

    wanzies222 June 8th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
    Back in for a couple more, whilst the g’kids soak a bit more….

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