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Tanaka feeling strong even after so-so outing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 04, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka

Happy Fourth of July, everyone!

I’m sure we’ll dive into the holiday once today’s game gets going. For now, let’s look back at last night one more time. Specifically, let’s look at arguably the worst start of Masahiro Tanaka’s major-league career.

“I think his pitches were just up,” Brian McCann said. “His split was up. But at the same time, you look up there in the seventh inning and he’s at 75 pitches, so it’s hard to say it was tough. I thought his sinker was great tonight, he got a lot of early pitch outs.”

That’s the interesting part of Tanaka’s four-run, seven-inning “letdown” of a start against the Twins: Even on his worst night, he probably could have thrown a complete game if the Yankees needed it. He struck out only three, which was a career low. He allowed four earned runs, which was a career high. But he still pitched plenty good enough to get a win as long as the Yankees offense had a pretty good night, which it clearly did.

“It could have been all the pitches he threw the last time,” Joe Girardi said. “His stuff wasn’t as sharp. It’s hard to say (what caused it). They’re not going to be perfect every time. He’s been about as consistent as you can be as a starting pitcher. He just wasn’t quite as sharp tonight.”

Tanaka said it helped ease his mind when the Yankees put some crooked numbers on the board and gave him a solid lead, something he hasn’t been particularly used to this season (especially not in his recent starts).

“It does ease pitchers a bit, I think,” Tanaka said. “What I can’t forget is that even those situations, you have to go out and try to perform your best. That’s what I had in mind out there tonight.”

Maybe it’s overreacting to one so-so outing, but it seemed worth asking — to a new pitcher, in this new league, coming off an uncharacteristic start — is Tanaka’s body starting to feel sluggish at this point in the season?

“Not really,” he said. “I understand that I do have to keep my body in good condition in order to keep myself strong.”

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146 Responses to “Tanaka feeling strong even after so-so outing”

  1. mick July 4th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Of course Beltran is the key but Wheeler gave the spark that Solarte did.
    Let’s hope he can help us get hot and then we bring up some more kids.

  2. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    why does mayberry’s name keep getting mentioned? he’s a bench player. he started the last 2 seasons for philly and they were so underwhelmed they went out and signed marlon byrd to replace him. mayberry’s a career .242 hitter.

  3. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    Greg

    I like Prado, who is 30, with two years left on a contract,but not at the cost of one of our top hitting prospects. There are so many holes to fill, and the Yankees in the offseason will need to trust some of their Baby Bombers, as there are not enough young quality free agent offensive players to fill all the holes.

  4. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Refsnyder or Pirela should be next.

    Back in a while.

  5. mick July 4th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    greg

    i don’t think this FO will be hustled by another.
    they are just too conservative.
    i don’t think they want to panic and rush their prospects either.
    if they can start a winning streak and bring up certain rooks at the right time they can build something here.

  6. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    MTU

    That’s OK. He’s allowed to be pedestrian on occasion. 12-3, hopefully 13-3 before the All Star break, il take that.

  7. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    Even if we lose CC we can win this thing.
    We have more depth than many teams as the Farm is underrated.

  8. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    We need another innings eater.
    The hits will come.

  9. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    If you catch a foul ball, put it somewhere for safe keeping so you can enjoy watching the rest of the game.

    “Catch” this:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....eping.html

  10. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    If the Phil’s were to move Cole Hamels, that would be great. I doubt they will. My second choice is Wade Miley of the D-Backs. Again, he may not be available.

    I would try for a Headley a try. Old wishes die hard. I would also take Prado.

  11. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Probability of reaching the postseason calculated by Baseball Prospectus, based on thousands of Monte Carlo simulations of the remaining season schedule incorporating each team’s year-to-date run differential, roster composition, playing time projections and remaining schedule.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/probability.jsp

    Yankees at 19.7%

  12. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Based on these wild card projections the Yankees won’t even make the playoffs as a wild card

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/probability.jsp

  13. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    42 year old raul ibanez, released monday by the angels signed on with the royals and hit a home run last night.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    If the Yankees are even thinking about
    Giving anything of substance in a deal with Philly I
    Want Makiel Franco coming back. He’s had a sucky time in AAA but I don’t care – that kid has a loaded bat, and would be worth getting even if it’s decided he gets too stout for 3b and has to play first. He would be fine at third for a few years as far as I’m concerned, and has a gun. Regardless, his bat is CIF worthy.

  15. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    my calculation came out at 19.8 YT, I used the 3 card monte methodology. in any case, there are probably 5 teams in the AL who are better than Yankees and have a better record at this point.

  16. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    projection, schmojections.

  17. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Click on AL East and scroll down to wild card.

  18. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Teams at .500 don’t make the playoffs. To make it, they have to win at least 86 games, I would think. The O’s are playing better. They will likely add too at the TD. We have to play much better. Simple as that.

    The lower minor leagues do have some high quality prospects. I see some with higher upside than we have had in awhile. Let’s not ruin that by trading high end young players for some so-so addition.

  19. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Teams that I think that are better than the Yanks and just off the top of my head, le Tigre, As, Angels, Os, Toronto and Ms. Os is a No 1 or 2 starter away from pulling away in the east.

  20. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    put together a 5 game winning streak and they might be in first place.
    i concede nothing to this crappy division.

  21. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    evertime i hear that some team is ‘just about to take off’ they flop.

  22. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    If they keep playing like a 500 team they go nowhere but if they go 50-30 the rest of the way
    they could win the division.

  23. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Good morning all —

    Last night is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the “Quality Start” stat. If a QS is six innings and three earned runs or less, then nothing that happens after six innings should matter. It penalizes guys who might give their team a little more length.

    And six innings and three earned runs = 4.50 ERA which isn’t very high quality.

    It was great to see Wheeler perform well and don’t ignore that scoop on McCann’s lousy throw that may have saved a run in addition to creating an out. Pirela for Soriano NOW please.

    Great night down in Tampa. Aaron Judge hit another HR. He’s hitting .302 in 13 games with 3 HR, 12 RBI, .474 OBP and 1.125 OPS.

    Meanwhile Luis Severino tossed six scoreless two-hit innings to lower his Tampa ERA to 1.62. He has 20 K and just 4 W in 16 2/3.

  24. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Judge continues to really hit with another homer and two walks. Severino with six more shutout, two hit innings. These are the two guys I would simply not move for anyone who is not of all star quality. Young, productive players are what the team must have going forward.

  25. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    get some of hitters who are producing at AAA and see what shakes out. gets redundant, let me be short, Yanks are so far away from being a championship caliber team in 14 it makes no sense to trade away premium chips in the system. but we will see what happens in the next few weeks.

  26. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Baltimore has probably been the best team on paper this year. They lost Wieters, but if Machado turns it around they will be tough. They hit.

  27. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    This team is the ultimate tease.
    Many think they can take off on a winning streak at any given time like now but then they give it right back.
    The hitting has been more inconsistent than not talented.

  28. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    but if they go 50-30 the rest of the way
    they could win the division.
    =====
    very true, but I think that’s wishful thinking.

  29. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    86,

    Beat me to it. Watch the Mateo guy in the GCL. He is said to have fabulous tools and is hitting and running great. He is 18 and not one our our traditional guys doing well there at 22.

  30. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Cash and Ys

    I knew that would get a good response.

    Actually if Beltran, and Tex feel 100% the rest of the season, Pineda makes it back and pitches as a #2, McCann starts putting up second half MVP numbers, Refsnyder transitions seamlessly and hits playing 2nd base, I have them winning the AL East.

    Converting Betances into a starter, trading for a quality BP arm, bringing up Severino in September with him pulling a Francisco Rodriguez, I have the Yankees winning the World Series! :)

  31. Giuseppe Franco July 4th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    If they keep playing like a 500 team they go nowhere but if they go 50-30 the rest of the way
    they could win the division.

    —–

    That’s quite a tall order for this team. There’s no way they will play that well in the 2nd half.

    They will remain much closer to a .500 team.

  32. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Mick,

    They might be able to win if they go 45-35. That too seems difficult without help, but possible if we improve in a couple of areas. Maybe, maybe Beltran will hit. That would make a huge difference.

  33. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Baseball is hard to predict.
    They are right in it and they aren’t a finished product.
    I see change coming whether it’s due to injuries or lack of production.
    Wheeler is the 1st step.
    He looks like he will provide a spark till the ASB, then bring up another kid.
    This could be exciting.

  34. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    YT,

    I’m glad the 4th brings out optimism or is it a little vino? :)

    Either way, let’s hope you’re right.

  35. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    YT, just being realistic, imo. It’s like having a musket and fighting dudes with Gatling guns, I can be brave and concede nothing but don’t mean i won’t get slaughtered.

  36. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I have the Yankees winning the World Series! :)
    =====================
    Why not? ;)

  37. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Hopefully Wheeler will get more starts vs righties, and that it wasn’t Joe going by his binder, in that righties have a >. 300 BA vs Hughes.

  38. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Mac

    Too early for the Vino.

    What are your plans this 4th?

  39. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Looks like we will see Cervelli against a righty today.
    I would give Sori a shot but don’t like him in RF.

  40. alabamayankee July 4th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Let’s get over this “convert Betances to a starter” nonsense. How much evidence do you need to see this is not his proper role? That train has left the station.

    The good news is that CC is probably done, if not just for the foreseeable future, then perhaps for good. The bad news is this situation will make any trade for a possible replacement more difficult and costly.

  41. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    At this point Ichiro has better reverse splits vs leftys than Sori against leftys, so technically he should play every day but that’s impossible.
    To sit Sori all 4 of these games against all rightys could kill him.

  42. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Mick

    I forgot to add to all those front office maneuvers, that those “shiftless” Yankees incapable of beating the shift, do a complete turn about and start going the other way, keeping innings alive and sustaining rallies.

  43. Cashmoney July 4th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    I can safely establish one thing, Yanks won’t be a seller. so what does that leave us?

    I am going to wait 3 weeks and see what they actually do in terms of trades or promotions. frankly tired to discussing the same names daily.

  44. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    The CC as we knew him is no more, so replacing him is not as difficult as you think.
    We need an innings eater for now and next year jump on the FA market.

  45. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I forgot to add to all those front office maneuvers, that those “shiftless” Yankees incapable of beating the shift, do a complete turn about and start going the other way, keeping innings alive and sustaining rallies.
    =================
    YT

    Let’s not get too crazy ;)

  46. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    beltran is coming around, now if mccann can just get his head out of his butt this team could turn it around enough to contend. im not in favor of trading for other team’s old junk, but the yankees have a legit shot to win this crappy division.

  47. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Win or lose, “boring” or not, this team is an adventure every game.
    How anyone can call that boring is beyond me.
    More compelling than boring.

  48. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    every player on that list is someone who’s team is just hoping against hope they can get someone to take from them in return for something useful. no thanks on the whole lot.

  49. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    The Yank FO is too cautious to pull the trigger and give up youth.
    I actually believe they feel they are developing a minor league system now.
    Hal is not his father.

  50. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Happy Birthday George and America!

  51. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Why is it good news that CC is done? His 2017 vesting option triggers anyway, unless he specifically has an injury to his left shoulder that limits his role.

    The likely scenario is that CC will have the knee drained, and either have stem cells and/or platelet rich plasma injected, or a lubricant such as Synvisc-one, and be shut down for the remainder of this season, with a 3 month very light exercise program.

    After that we’ll just have to see how that right knee responds.

  52. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    sign with houston, melo! we’ll take lynn back.

  53. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Knicks offered him the max.
    He’s coming back.
    He stared down the Zen Master.

  54. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    yeah, that $50M extension they gave CC is totally down the tubes.

    DO NOT RESIGN PLAYERS WHEN THEY OPT OUT!

  55. blake July 4th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    I think if they hadnt lost 4 straight then Joe lets Tanaka finish last night…..his pitch count was fine but because he wasn’t quite as sharp as usual he didn’t want to take any chances……they had to win that one

  56. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Baby Bomber Recap:

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....ter-obrien

    Aaron Judge homers in third straight game; Luis Severino continues to dominate

  57. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    nobody knows what anybody offered anyone, thats all just press B.S.

    we’ll see, but you’re probably right, the knicks will be stuck with his contract.

    i have alot of respect for melo,he’s a great player, and he has every right to make every dollar he can get. but the knicks can’t pay him max and still put together a team that can win it all.

  58. mick July 4th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    but the knicks can’t pay him max and still put together a team that can win it all.
    ==================
    Not this year.

  59. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    YT,

    Slow day here with some family. Watch a little Yankee baseball and reflect on Gehrig’s speech. For a non-public speaker, his speech along with the Gettysburg Address and “you have nothing to fear” speech is one of the most well known speeches in American history.

  60. bardos July 4th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    I never watch a Yankee game. I can follow it on MLB Gameday and have subscribed to audio and can listen on WFAN. The thing is I am in Europe and the six hour time difference with EST makes it difficult to even listen.

    What I do do, (no pun) is watch the Yankees video highlights on MLB.com. Sometimes there are 3, 4 or more short videos of the best Yankee game moments. This year, Brett Gardner appears in most of them.

    This means he appears to be the player most involved in scoring moments. He is a valuable piece. Not a good idea to move him. If he were surrounded by a few power guys, or if the Yankees had any other valuable pieces, no one would be calling for his trade.

  61. blake July 4th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Judge needs to be at Trenton by the end of the season……he’s a college guy…..AA is the next challenge for him. Leave him at Tampa for about another month and then get his feet wet at Trenton the last 6 weeks or so and start him there next year…….if he gets to AA by the end of the season he could be knocking on the MLB door by the end of 2015…….no reason not to move him along if he keeps hitting

  62. alabamayankee July 4th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    If Sabathia is finished due to injury, the Yankees can recover most of the money owed through insurance. Best possible scenario. He will never again be anything more than a bottom-of-the-rotation pitcher, and certainly not an “innings-eater.” His body is shot.

  63. Yankee Trader July 4th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Have to go. Everyone have a safe and wonderful 4th.

    Mac enjoy a peaceful 4th. We’ ll be doing much of the same.

    Until later.

    And to clear things up, I don’t want the Yankees to trade their best prospects for aging veterans, with large remaining no trade contracts, either.

  64. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    never turn down the trade you haven’t been offered yet. you don’t know who’s on the other end.

  65. blake July 4th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    The fresh corn is starting to roll in to the markets…..it’s a good time of the year

  66. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    It’s never to early for vino!

    I don’t think anyone is clamoring for a Gardner deal, just recognizing the reality that he is one of the most valuable assets they can offer in pursuit of RH power or a high quality starting pitcher.

  67. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    “alabamayankee July 4th, 2014 at 10:05 am
    If Sabathia is finished due to injury, the Yankees can recover most of the money owed through insurance. Best possible scenario. He will never again be anything more than a bottom-of-the-rotation pitcher, and certainly not an “innings-eater.” His body is shot.”
    ========================================
    all he has to do is show up and be that bottom of the rotation guy, or even a bullpen guy to collect every dollar of that contract. only a left shoulder injury can get the yankees out of paying.

  68. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    CC will collect every penny of his contract. The question is whether a knee problem is covered by insurance. Wanzies said usually only arms and shoulders are covered. I don’t know. I sure hope they have coverage. It would have been foolhardy not to get it if possible for a heavyset guy.

  69. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    tanaka’s ‘second time around’ era is a whopping 3.10.

  70. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    I don’t think, based on what I have read, any big bat will be moved. There are too few of them. There are a number of starters available. We will get someone. My guess is someone like Ian Kennedy. Who we could likely get without giving up high end players.

    I wonder what value Mason has.

  71. Captain Clutch July 4th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    @Buster_ESPN

    There continues to be a possibility that CC Sabathia will require microfracture surgery on his knee, with an uncertain pitching future.

  72. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    if the yankees reallly thing that sanchez and williams are not going to make it, they should try to trade them. people say things like ‘don’t trade young guys’ but in every case it comes down to which specific young guy and what is the return. certain ‘young guys’ might not be worth hanging on to and other teams may covet them.

  73. Tar July 4th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Alabama Yankee glad CC is done? What a dumb thing too write. Probably said that about Andy as well (You do know who Andy is don’t you?).

    No way CC is done, or is not going to contribute in some way in the future.

    And who the hell cares if Steinbrenner collects insurance money, do you really think he is going to put that money back in the team?

  74. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    i’ve had diminished expectations for CC for 2+ years now and today those expectations took another steep downturn.

  75. Tar July 4th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    CC is a fighter…people are writing him off way to soon.

  76. Captain Clutch July 4th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Yanks have to be all in on the top pitchers this off season. They have Tanaka at the top and then a ton of question marks. Most of the other guys including CC are back end guys. Hopefully Pineda can get healthy so we can see what he can do but I wouldn’t count on it.

  77. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    No one knows what CC’s future holds with a complex knee issue. But, I sure hope for the best for him. He is a class guy in every way.

  78. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    i was against CC’s extension and was pushing for them to trade him after the 2012 season. i thought this was pretty forseeable, really.

    classic overpaying for past results.

  79. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Ability to play/perform insurance would not likely be tied to a specific body part.

    Vesting options often are. There’s a significant difference.

    As long as his shoulder isn’t hurt CC will vest for 2017 — stupid contract — why specify only a certain injury ???

    However IF his knee renders him unable to pitch, the Yanks likely would receive 80 % of what they pay him. While the cash will be nice, they still take the full hit on the luxury tax calculation.

  80. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    I don’t get micro fracture surgery unless the MRI shows a fracture. That seems to be very speculative. The reports don’t mention anything like that. Simple degeneration is problematic enough.

  81. longtimefan July 4th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Wheeler is going to be fun to watch until Long starts to tinker with his swing.

  82. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    86,

    I wouldn’t have thought insurance coverage is restricted to certain body parts. Wanzies says they usually are for pitchers. That makes no sense to me, but I sure have no inside knowledge.

  83. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Let’s temper the Wheeler expectations. If he can be league average, that would be a good thing. I said the same about Solarte. Career minor leaguers have flaws or else they wouldn’t have stayed in the minors until they are 27.

    He is a temporary fix, or at least we hope so.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Very sorry about The news on C. He looked fit on the mound, even made a nice barehanded grab on a high bouncer and his Fastball velocity was encouraging, topped out at 94min the game, and was throwing 91, 92 throughout (cutter was 89 don’t know if that was reported as his velo but hat was the cutter, with which he ht a Batter). His offspeed stuff was kind of wimpy but these rehab starts are just that – warmups to rounding into form. Met C’s wife on the elevator d

  85. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    I thought about that micro fracture surgery for CC.

    Wondered if that’s where this might be going.

    Beltran had a successful one.

    They aren’t all that way.

    Far from a 100% success rate.

  86. TKR July 4th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    CC Sabathia has that surgery he’s done pitching

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Downstairs, she was very pleasant and it’s was all so hopeful at that point. Wasn’t a big crowd but C got a nice hand and all felt to. E on course. Just sad he won’t get to come back and I can just imagine how disappointed he must be. I’m a big C fan and always felt he had that Yankee thing pretty down. Unfortunate and I hop he can somehow make it back one day. Happy Fourth folks

  88. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    And whoever said CC is a class act is absolutely right.

    I wish him nothing but the best.

  89. TKR July 4th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    his extension was a very bad deal for the NYY, my reason was his IP & it turns out not the case..

  90. TKR July 4th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:38 am
    And whoever said CC is a class act is absolutely right.

    I wish him nothing but the best.
    ——————————–
    agree

  91. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    this long-distance diagnosing of CC’s future is silly. We know almost NOTHING about the true extend of the injury and whether this latest setback is from pushing too hard or sign of something more serious.

    Media speculation is all over the map, which is proof no one knows a damn thing other than CC, the Yanks and the doctors. the rest is just pi$$ing into the wind.

    austimac — I have a good friend who writes those policies for a living. He told me the only reason a specific part would be in there would be to protect the insurer from a re-injury. CC was physically sound at the time of his contract signings.

    For example Pineda would not be insurable for a shoulder injury… nor someone for TJS if they already had one procedure.

  92. TKR July 4th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:31 am
    I don’t get micro fracture surgery unless the MRI shows a fracture. That seems to be very speculative. The reports don’t mention anything like that. Simple degeneration is problematic enough.
    ——————————————–
    bingo

  93. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Our rotation basically just fell apart.

    Damn shame.

  94. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    CC’s last 46 starts he’s had a 4.63 era. thats not a small sample size.

    i wonder if he was strating to feel it in his knees a couple years ago and lost the weight in a belated attempt to avoid exactly what has happened to him now.

  95. blake July 4th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Wheeler is likely a flash in the pan…..but maybe he can play over his head for awhile until and buy some time

  96. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    We are very lucky we were able to get Tanaka.

    I am very thankful for that.

    At least we have someone to build around.

  97. blake July 4th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    “i wonder if he was strating to feel it in his knees a couple years ago and lost the weight in a belated attempt to avoid exactly what has happened to him now.”

    I would say absolutely

  98. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    86,

    That makes more sense to me on the insurance coverage. Why wouldn’t there be insurance on the whole body with limitations on pre-existing conditions.

    Let’s hope we never have to find out.

  99. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    We have Pirela and Refsnyder to follow Wheeler if need be.

    And we have an Adonis.

    ;)

  100. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    i dont think buster would have tweeted that cc is looking at microsurgery if he hadn’t heard from someone who knows something, he’s usually pretty solid on his reporting.

    remember he had an mri yesterday, and they are waiting for him to visit a surgeon for consultation.

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    C is a class act. He helped
    Us win a World Championship and is like Andy Pettite’s best bud – like seeks like. Never makes excuses, says it’s on me regularly, speaks softly but doesn’t mince words. He was awesome having Alex’s back last year.

  102. austinmac July 4th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    I just googled micro fracture surgery, and it is used for cartilage problems which CC has. So, maybe that is a possible option. I hope not.

  103. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    JAP-

    CC is always accountable.

    Takes ownership.

    I highly respect him for that.

  104. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    ride wheeler while he hits, then send him down and bring up the next guy. solarte was nice, but he gave them basically a month of help then spent 2 months dragging them down. dont make the same mistake this time.

    move em in, move em out. they all have options…

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    MTU – Oh yeah C is a mensch. There was hope in the air down in Trenton. Whatever happens, I’m glad I got to be there. I hope I see him pitch live again.

  106. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    JAP-

    Absolutely.

  107. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Wheeler will be fine as long as they spot his duty properly. Solarte played too much and got exposed. Just like Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner last year.

    Unfortunately most of the Yankees roster is no longer fit for full-time duty. It’s a team loaded with platoon players and middle relievers — three of whom are in the rotation.

  108. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Looking forward to the roster changes Steve said would be complete by the ASB.

    We have Pirela, Refs, Garcia, Almonte, Greene, etc.

    And we will likely be bringing in an arm.

    Would love to get a guy like Prado if he doesn’t cost an arm and a leg prospect wise.

  109. MTU July 4th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    86-

    Which is why another arm will be added.

    And hopefully a bat.

  110. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    It’s been said countless times, you never have too much pitching.

    If the starting 5 were still in the rotation, they’d have to be near perfect to win with this “O”. Just look at how Tanaka pitched vs. Boston, only to lose 2-1.

    Yes, we need SP now, but, if Beltran, McCann and Soriano do not produce, this is a 4th place team.

  111. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    The team that makes the best trade dead line deals will win the AL East.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    If they continue to lose regularly of course they’re going to do something. The question is always what and what will it cost. Don’t want to see the same mistakes repeated that got them into this mess to begin with.

  113. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    IMHO, the O’s are 1 frontline SP away from winning the AL East, and going deep in the PS.

  114. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    JAP -

    IF – really?

  115. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Prado, while a good player would be a bad move in my view. He’s expensive and not that much of an upgrade. Plus, the Yanks have 2B and 3B candidates on hand.

    The # 1 need is a RH bat for RF. I’m starting to think Beltran will be okay w/out surgery.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Big AL – I just hope we don’t lose in that battle if it means losing the war. Pyrrhic victories aren’t worth the temporary high. Proceed with caution.

  117. alabamayankee July 4th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Tar, you are obviously one of those fans fitting the full definition of the word — fanatic. You need to face reality. CC has pitched too many innings too quickly, with too much wear and tear on his arms and too much weight on his knees. Comparing him with Andy — and I know who Andy is, as well as Mickey, Whitey, and Yogi — is not apropos. And by the way, if you want to compare knowledge of the Yankees, do you know who Hank, Gene, Gil, and The Junkman were?

  118. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    JAP -

    I’d rather do nothing than give away the future, so we agree.

    I hope, if they get a SP, it’s not at a high price for a has been.

    I’d be looking to deal with the Cubs.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Inhopemthey don’t WiN that battle if it means losing the war,’that is :)

    Happy Fourth all

  120. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    “The Junkmam”, also known as Steady Eddie Lopat, whom I knew.

  121. Villa Nova-Ya July 4th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock -

    I feel the same way about having been at the game in Trenton on Wednesday night. There was definitely a sense of hopefulness in the air. I made the effort to get to that game and see CC pitch because he’s CC, and I too hope it wasn’t the last time anyone gets to see him start.

  122. 86w183 July 4th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Can I play???

    Eddie Lopat was “The Junkman” I assume the rest are Bauer, Woodling and Mcdougal??

  123. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    86w183 -

    Yes, and Yes!

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Big Al – yep.

    Alabama – your Jeter trolling and indifference to what he’s meant to the Yankees told me all I needed to know. You have disdain for players who have helped
    Your team want them euthanized we get it .

    AL – enjoy the holiday et al

  125. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    JAP -

    Be well my friend, I wish I could still get to the MiLB games, sure do miss that experience, even more so than YS.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Villa – yes to that. Thousand times. I’m glad we all came out to cheer C. If its up to the mans will we’ll see him again!

  127. Tar July 4th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Alabamayankee

    Writing this:

    “The good news is that CC is probably done, if not just for the foreseeable future, then perhaps for good.”

    Was a dumb thing to write or think…period!

    BTW I totally disagreed what you said about Betances, but didn’t comment or say that it was dumb. Can you see the difference?

    Have a good day.

  128. BIG AL July 4th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Later – Y’all have a great 4th, be safe!

    GO YANKEES!

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Big Al – me too – better experience more like old time baseball :) I’m out

  130. Tar July 4th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    See ya guys have a good day.

  131. alabamayankee July 4th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    J Alfred, baseball in general, and the Yankees in particular, comes down to “what have you done for me lately?” The fact that Jeter had 19 wonderful seasons is meaningless. The fact that CC was an ace is meaningless. The back of baseball cards is meaningless. What they are doing now, in the year 2014, is all-important. If you look at history, and wait aimlessly for it to repeat itself, you are doomed to failure.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock July 4th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Tar – happy fourth!

  133. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    i wish it was up to CC’s will, then we’d know he’s coming back.

    alas, its more up to his knee and his arm and im afraid his will won’t be able to overcome what physics has done to those critical parts.

  134. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    possibly physicians can fix what physics has done to CC’s parts…

  135. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    mets are shopping big bart. any takers?

  136. bigdan22 July 4th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Very nice game by Wheeler. Bet when he was a kid his mom shopped in the “Husky” section.

    As my very timely post yesterday stated, there’s no such thing as “AAAA” players. There are just a number of “older” guys hitting real well in AAA like Wheeler and Solarte, who if given a chance in the major leagues would probably suck over an extended period of time. The operative question is, would they suck less than the guys the Yanks are currently playing. And the answer is, maybe Yes!

    When you run out so many under .700 OPS guys as the Yanks do, I say, let all these “kids” play! And play!. So bring up Pirela, and Adonis, and Almonte and all these alleged “AAAA”
    guys and lets see where they can take this team.

    And as I said yesterday, who knows. Maybe one or two are actually average major leaguers in disguise.

  137. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    it is the ‘year of the pitcher’ part 2 according to buster olney.

    “In 2000, three pitchers posted ERAs below 3.00. This season? As of Thursday morning, 27 pitchers had ERAs below 3.00.

    should they lower the mound (again) or load up the baseball (again)?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blo.....production

  138. bigdan22 July 4th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    “ride wheeler while he hits, then send him down and bring up the next guy. solarte was nice, but he gave them basically a month of help then spent 2 months dragging them down. dont make the same mistake this time”

    —–

    Check Solarte’s splits. He hit over .300 in April and May individually. But he was super streaky so it does seem that way.

  139. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    we’ll have to split the difference on solarte. he actually hit .296 in may, but from may 15th on he hit .235

  140. bigdan22 July 4th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    “i wonder if he was strating to feel it in his knees a couple years ago and lost the weight in a belated attempt to avoid exactly what has happened to him now”

    ——

    I pointed this out as a possibility a few weeks ago when the degenerative condition of his knee were first revealed.

    A few folks on this site over the winter surmised that there might be an insipient health reason behind CC’s weight loss the last two years. Maybe a heart problem. Or diabetes. When the story came out about his family member, that speculation seemed to go away. But it really was right all along. CC has likely been dealing with the problem of his knee for quite some time.

  141. exiledintampa July 4th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    31 years ago today, I watched by myself as Rags threw a no no.

  142. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    just to be clear, that’s from may 15th to the last day of may.

    june was awful .164

  143. bigdan22 July 4th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Solarte in April:

    .303/.404/.461/.865

    Solarte in May:

    .296/.339/.469/.809

    Solarte in June:

    .164/.282/.213/.495

    As a player, Solarte was streaky in both April and May, but all good players are streaky to some extent. Overall had excellent months. The problem was in June, Solarte wasn’t streaky at all. He just sucked.

  144. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    i had no idea that his knee was going to give out, i just opposed exteding him because with his age, size and innings pitched it seemed obvious he wasn’t going to be worth $25M in his age 35 and 36 season.

    and i wanted them to try to trade away his contract after 2012 while he was still a hot commodity even if it cost them a few million to move it.

  145. Ys Guy July 4th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    i think they stuck with solarte too long. i think they should be moving guys up and down alot more. he might have been able to get it back together in scranton had they not left him sitting on the bench for most of june, and someone else could possibly have provided the punch (wheeler?). these guys have options for a reason.

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