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Wheeler makes himself a prospect again

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 05, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Zelous WheelerHeard a good story about Zelous Wheeler, and figured it’s as good a thing as any to start off this Saturday.

You probably remember that Wheeler had a terrific spring training, good enough that Joe Girardi said yesterday that Wheeler was part of the discussion for the Opening Day roster. The Yankees didn’t send him to minor league camp until the very end of spring training, so Wheeler knew he’d made an impression. And when he got to Triple-A, Wheeler kept hitting. He had two hits in four of his first six games.

But in that seventh game, Wheeler felt something in his back.

If Wheeler knew he’d just made a good impression on the big league staff, he also knew he was a 27-year-old career minor leaguer who’d spent his entire career toiling in other organizations. A good first impression only lasts so long, and Wheeler asked Triple-A manager Dave Miley to basically ignore the injury.

“Miley came on the field and I’m like, ‘Miley, I’m alright. I’m alright,’” Wheeler said. “(Miley) said, ‘No, no, we’ve got to take you out.’ Because you know how the Yankees are. If you’re hurt, you’ve got to come out so (the training staff) can take a look at you. So I think it was two days later, and I’m on the DL already. Just like that.

“I was like, ‘When I get to feeling better, Miley, I’ll let you know. I want to get in there and play.’ Miley said, ‘No, we’re going to take every precaution. Make sure it’s right before you go out on the field.’ I was like, ‘But Miley, I’m not a prospect. I need to get out there so I can get up to the big leagues.’”

Not a prospect. You have any idea how many long-time minor leaguers feel that way? It’s awfully easy to get discouraged and fully believe the window of opportunity has come and gone. It’s easy for a guy like Wheeler — not a prospect, by almost every usual standard — to think he’s never going to get a serious look.

Miley’s heard that plenty of times.

“He was like, ‘Hey, I don’t give a s***. I don’t give a s***,’” Wheeler said. “‘Anybody who puts a uniform on is a prospect.’ That’s what he said.”

One thing I learned from covering the minor leagues: for a lot of the veteran guys, the struggle is mental. It’s about trying to keep going, always believing the big leagues are within reach. It’s about a player believing he’s a “prospect” — whatever that means. In an odd way, it’s about a player believing he’s worth a DL stint because he needs to be healthy and won’t be forgotten. Sometimes a Triple-A manager has to make sure a player like Wheeler believes that.

This season, the Yankees have put Yangervis Solarte, Dean Anna, Scott Sizemore, Shane Greene, Chris Leroux, Bruce Billings and Chase Whitley on their big league roster. Not all would have been considered a “prospect” — and certainly those were not the biggest names in the minor league system — but they all performed and put themselves at the top of the pecking order when opportunity presented itself. That’s what Wheeler did. Miley told him he was a prospect, and wouldn’t you know it, when the Yankees went looking for a new infielder, Wheeler was productive, healthy and at the top of the pecking order.

“I kind of knew that (I needed to go on the DL). I’ve been around for a while,” Wheeler said. “But my heart and gut said, I want to play.”

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202 Responses to “Wheeler makes himself a prospect again”

  1. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    will cashman be all talk or whom do you think Yanks will engage in? want an opinion on Castro for those who are familiar with him.

  2. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Jurickson Profar (a ss) was the BEST prospect in baseball.

    He was rated better than Russell could ever dream of being.

    He’s in the majors and he sucks.

    All prospects are suspects.

    ;)

  3. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    read something about CC career could be over, that could be a blessing for the yanks is the first thought that came to my mind …

  4. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Cash-

    We would be very lucky to get him.

    ;)

  5. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Be back.

    Hug less and get some proven ballplayers.

    :)

  6. blake July 5th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Profar doesn’t really suck…..he’s been hurt all year and the Rangers have screwed around with him since he’s been up…..he’s still really young and still has a chance to be special …..Id love to have him

  7. blake July 5th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    But I agree they are all suspects…..still have to have the best ones though

  8. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Cashman, if you’re talking financially, that may not be the case. The article I read this morning said the Yankees are insured for shoulder issues. Sabathia is disabled due to,a knee injury, so he would continue to be paid through 2017.

  9. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    agree blake, I take Jurickson with one leg for the future, I think he is untouchable though.. injury happens.

  10. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    Oops. Cashmoney, that is!! Lol

  11. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Sherman says the Cubs are not shopping Castro because the other competitors are likely to big to play SS long term.

    I still bet our big move is to add a 4-5th starter. We would have to trade several of our best pieces to get an impact guy. That seems unlikely to me.

    Perhaps, we should try to get Miley, Kennedy and Headley. Or maybe I should go throw in the back yard. They say a CU is the tough rest pitch to hit and I sure have one.

  12. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Villa, haven’t done any search.. yes I am speaking strictly financially. But if yanks are not insure over his current ailment then it’s moot, it can only hurt the yanks.

  13. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    MTU,

    Betances is no longer a prospect. He is a valuable piece of the team.

    I don’t want the Yankees to rob Peter to pay Paul and either get nowhere or worse.

  14. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Whether the Yankees are insured for any career ending injury ir just certain body parts — and they should fire the moron who only insured his shoulder if that’s the case — it only matters to Hal’s checkbook.

    They still count the full salary in luxury tax calculations.

  15. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I have no qualm in trading anyone, the criterion I hope that the yanks are looking for in trades ,I hope, would be with an eye toward future as well as the immediate present.

  16. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Villa-

    Betances is no more than a closer w the Yankees.

    We already have one.

    We can use a good young SS a lot more.

    It isn’t robbing anything.

    It’s using your assets wisely IMO.

    Blake-

    I’d like Profar too but he has lost some of his luster and that is my point and he is far from proven.

    The Yankees do not have a lot of patience w guys.

    Castro is already a proven commodity and he’s young.

    I’ll take him over Profar or Russell. No one has any idea what they’ll become.

    Most of these guys, even the higher rated ones, are a crapshoot.

    It is a very inexact science.

  17. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Cash money,

    From the Star Ledger:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....cart_river

  18. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Cash,

    I completely agree any trade must be made with an eye toward the years ahead. This year seems very unlikely to be a playoff year. Please don’t give up anything good in an effort to film-flam the fans.

  19. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    It’s obvious the Yankees are interested in getting a good young SS.

    The Russell move shows that.

    Can’t say I blame them for trying.

  20. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    read something about CC career could be over, that could be a blessing for the yanks is the first thought that came to my mind …”

    Even if they collect insurance money…… what has Hal done that makes you think he will reinvest it? Sorry Cash that first thought is wrong.

    My first thought was the Yankee medical staff rushed a player who wasn’t quite ready to come back. Seems like just another screw up on their part. What a bunch of jokers we have running this team.

  21. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    We don’t know for sure whether Robertson is re-signed by NY.

  22. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    CC is owed $73M more. Teixiera’s deal is looking like the good one these days.

    These contracts probably insure the team will not trade for another big one. They can’t have much more pricey deadwood.

  23. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    thanks Villa, I take that back! come on back CC :D

    Mac, whether they are a pretender or contender this year is not that important to me.. I hope that the Yanks do tread carefully with their finite chips and have an eye toward the future in trades… there are gaping holes need to be address beyond 14.

  24. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    D-Rob should be re-signed IMO and I’m sure he wants to stay a Yankee.

  25. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    The only player I would not consider trading on the Roster is Tanaka.

    You build around him.

  26. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Robertson would re-sign if the Yankees offered him a fair deal. He does not strike me as one who would leave for an extra buck. The question will be if they choose to keep him. In my mind, the Yankees should not let go of good players simply for money, assuming a market value deal.

  27. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Tar, CC is the one who was saying he could be back sooner. The Yankees were drawing out the rehab. CC reported no discomfort. Do the players themselves ever bear any responsibility here for rushing themselves because the bith want to help their team win and ran their salaries?

    I get that the Yankees (like most teams) are not infallible and have made mistakes. But every situation isnt simple and easily reduced to the jokers in the front office.

  28. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Mac-

    Absolutely he would.

    He loves being a Yankee.

    And they should re-sign him.

    He’s proven he can close.

  29. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    I think it is going to be a long time, if ever, before we see CC on a mound again.

    Good guy. Great pitcher. Damn shame.

    :(

  30. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    This is CC’s contract. And yes, whomever drew up that vesting option should be fired-limiting it only to his left shoulder.

    12-15:$23M annually, 16:$25M, 17:$25M vesting option ($5M buyout)

    2017 salary guaranteed if Sabathia 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury

    no-trade protection
    perks: suite on road trips

  31. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    What if a team with a better offense makes a bid for Robertson? Right now, he is a closer with not so many opportunities to close (and saves are the bottom line for closers, the more you have, the more you’re worth).

  32. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Tar — I guess you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

    Hal just spent over $ 25 Million on International Free Agents. The Yanks have had the highest payroll in MLB every year of his tenure before this one and it’s still # 2. He committed more than $ 500 MILLION to free agents last off-season.

    How can anyone question his willingness to spend money to win? He’s trying to spend more intelligently and not keep throwing money at every problem. That’s just sensible business.

    Criticize how they’ve spent $$$ all you want. But it’s foolish to play the “Hal is Cheap” card.

  33. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    I get that the Yankees (like most teams) are not infallible and have made mistakes. But every situation isnt simple and easily reduced to the jokers in the front office.”

    Too many examples of the Yankee medical staff screwing up, to put in on the injured players. CC was on the DL for inflammation he lasted what….. one rehab start. You don’t think he was rushed back? This is not cave man medical material…they have the best of everything….simply put they suck at their job.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    We thought Cano loved being a Yankee. We assumed the Yankees would resign him.

  35. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    “Criticize how they’ve spent $$$ all you want. But it’s foolish to play the “Hal is Cheap” card.”

    86

    Do you think that if Hal collected insurance money on a player, he would add it on top of his budget? I don’t…..you can call it what you want.

  36. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Villa-

    Nobody is getting D-Rob if we make a competitive offer.

    He wants to stay a Yankee.

  37. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    CC’s knee was likely going to flare up whether he rested as he did or for another month. It is badly degenerated with too little cartilage.

    It is a shame. CC has always struck me as a stand up good guy. Let’s keep a glimmer of hope. He will try to return. Rehab from micro fracture surgery is evidently awful.

  38. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    It was two rehab starts. The second came after the first went without issue.

  39. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    with Drob, the issue for me is whether or not the NYY can utilize that money to address other pressing needs. basically robbing peter to pay paul under the assumption that Hal won’t go too far beyond the current payroll figure with Rod returning.

  40. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    The terms of the vesting option and the insurance coverage are completely different matters.

    The best vesting options involve plate appearances/innings pitched/games played for the previous year or two. A shoulder specific exclusion is just stupid.

    If they insured the contract ONLY for shoulder injury ending his career that’s beyond stupid.

  41. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Villa-

    I don’t think the Yankees wanted Cano badly enough.

    I think they’ll want to retain Robertson.

    Doesn’t cost nearly as much.

    Much younger.

  42. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Hal was cheap for several years. Whether he will be in the future is certainly a valid question. Never forget he is a balance sheet leader. He told us that.

  43. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Little surprised that Girardi comes out and announces that microfracture surgery might be in CC’s near future, while Cashman is working on a deal to acquire pitching, etc.

    The price probably went up last evening.

  44. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    to continue that thought, whether it comes internally or via trades, yanks need cost control talents to balance out the sunken costs. They can not continue to go to the well in domestic FA to address all their needs, they will run out of dough.

  45. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    And they may not make a big enough competitive offer. Someone else may want him more. Detroit?

    And money trumps desire to stay, which desire we really don’t know about. Outside looking in we are. And the Yankees may see a cheaper alternative in Betances.

  46. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Unmitigated disaster so far not getting Russell you do that trade and there is no one down below except for maybe Severino and then i still think about it the Yanks have NO ZERO NADDA shortstops for the future it is a wasteland Avelino has been out for gawd knows how long and i am not pinning my hopes on him unmitigated

    maybe the Cubs will still be open for business later for one of their MIFers in the offseason b/c it is not as if Russell would have supplanted Jeter or the mighty Brian Roberts this year super ugh and frustration i would have been better of not knowing darn twitter

  47. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Yankees would be foolish to let D-Rob walk w/o having Betances prove he can close IMO.

    If they are not going to re-sign him they should trade him now.

    But off course they won’t.

    Also, they should have consider an extension but they rarely do that.

  48. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Tar —

    I think Hal will continue to spend aggressively and keep the Yankees payroll at or near the top of MLB. All the evidence points to that as I outlined before.

  49. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    bill mckinney was a 2013 1st round OFer my guess the cost was Aaron Judge as he would have been the equivalent probably going to Oakland PLUS the A’s originally drafted Judge out of H.S. before he went to Fresno State.

  50. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I don’t think so Villa.

    I think the Yankees value D-Rob sufficiently.

    And I do not think Robertson is all about dollars (just a hunch).

    At any rate, let’s just agree to disagree on this one.

    I hope Robertson returns.

    ;)

  51. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I think Hal will continue to spend aggressively and keep the Yankees payroll at or near the top of MLB. All the evidence points to that as I outlined before.

    he is going to have to he has about 52 million in sunk costs now b/e ARod and C.C. you just write those contract off now and consider on another part of the books if you really want to compete

  52. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Yanks will have 1 of the 2 top payrolls that i have no doubt, but the issue here is that it’s not enough. how can it be, the the avenue of engagement are usually domestic FA where you overpaid for stars and about 80 mil in sunken cost….

  53. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    austinmac —

    You might not like HOW Hal spent money the past four years, but saying “he was cheap for years” flies in the face of reality.

    You cannot have the highest payroll in the game and be cheap at the same time. Not possible.

    MTU —-

    I would be inclined to let D-Rob walk rather than pay him $ 10 M. Especially if there’s a set spending limit. More money is wasted in the bullpen than anywhere else on a MLB roster. In a typical year the worst closer blows nine or ten saves and the best blows four or five.

  54. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    other teams moving quickly while Cashman decides to play classical music instead of Rock’n’roll good job Cash

    The Angels are on the hunt for a left-handed reliever and the Diamondbacks’ Joe Thatcher is on their list, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (on Twitter) hears that the Halos are close to a deal with major league players and also says that they have their eye on relief pitching, specifically lefties.

  55. Cashmoney July 5th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    if yanks can’t produce it’s own and not aggressively take gamble on Cuban risks … then it won’t be enough til about 17 OS…

  56. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    “It was two rehab starts. The second came after the first went without issue.”

    How do you know there were no issues…did they do an MRI? was he checked out in any way? why was he cleared in the first place…was the Yankees position of not having any starters a factor in him being rushed back? lot’s of questions, always lot’s of questions with the Yankee medical staff. Maybe it s that way with other teams, but I doubt it.

    Anyway one or two starts…says the same thing to me…he wasn’t ready to come back.

  57. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    would be inclined to let D-Rob walk rather than pay him $ 10 M. Especially if there’s a set spending limit. More money is wasted in the bullpen than anywhere else on a MLB roster. In a typical year the worst closer blows nine or ten saves and the best blows four or five.

    then you either need to trade him NOW or at least offer him a QO and risk him taking 14 m you cannot lose DRob for nothing as you did with Cano and Granderson

  58. austinmac July 5th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    86,

    But, the evident problem seems to me they can keep spending their $200M/yr., but with sunk costs in AROD and CC with little or no production, the practical spending is far less.

    Their payroll is the same as ten years ago. Baseball has had a lot of inflation. It has too go up to compete unless we hit a bonanza of prospect success.

  59. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Cano-

    So what ?

    What do we need more a great young SS prospect or an A ball OF prospect ?

    Judge has proven nothing yet.

    ;)

  60. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    unbelievable Yanks do not even have one and the Cubs now have three young elite SS

    On the other side of the equation, by combining their two top trade chips, the Cubs managed to pick up one of the game’s truly elite prospects in Russell. Many will question the “need” for another shortstop for a club that already has Starlin Castro (and his long-term extension) at the major league level with two top-100 prospects (Javier Baez and Arismendy Alcantara) in the upper minors. But president Theo Epstein and GM Jed Hoyer will gladly add the top-end prospect piece now and figure out any logjams in the future. (If all of those players work out, of course, top-100 middle infielders make for useful trade chips — as this very deal demonstrates.)

  61. TheGreatHambino July 5th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Yankees won’t trade for a SS they will go with a replacement or Ryan next year and sign Ian Desmond winter 2015.

  62. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Everyone envisioning Judge as next Giancarlo or Winfield needs to calm down.

    He can just as easily be Shelly Duncan at this point.

  63. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:46 am
    Cano-

    So what ?

    What do we need more a great young SS prospect or an A ball OF prospect ?

    Judge has proven nothing yet.

    ;)

    go back and read the post i was not advocating holding on to aaron judge i was ONLY guessing who was the hold up OF COURSE i would trade judge in that circumstance

  64. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    They’re not going to do an MRI if the player reports he’s fine. I don’t know, nor do most of us, what they do post-game to do a cursory check on the player’s condition.

  65. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Yankees will probably wind up w Hardy or Cabrera as their SS next year.

  66. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    I’ve done some reading on microfracture surgery of the knee and stem cell treatments, as well as platelet rich plasma.

    This is evolving. My best guess is that CC has osteoarthritis, bone on bone with little cartilage left in that right knee, from many years of carrying around all that weight and pitching all those innings.

    Microfracture surgery is the option and road to take if one can and wants to put off and possibly avoid partial or total knee replacement.

    However, and this is just my opinion from research, if CC can avoid the surgery and try injections again from stem cells harvested from his bone marrow, along with platelet rich plasma, and this time do only light exercises for a full six months to allow the cells more time to regenerate new cartilage, along with watching his weight, he might be able to pitch again next season and just treat discomfort with injections of lubricant like Synvisc-one.

  67. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    You want to acquire quality you have to be willing to give up quality.

    It’s real simple.

  68. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    w Hardy

    actually Hardy has more proven value than Russell i have to admit

  69. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    I think Hal will continue to spend aggressively and keep the Yankees payroll at or near the top of MLB. All the evidence points to that as I outlined before.”

    86

    189 tells me that Hal’s bottom line is the “FIRST” priority. That is an absolute shift in philosophy from the his dad…. the Boss.

    Making money is what Hal is all about….. and he will only spend as much as necessary to continue milking the cash cow that he owns. If has to he will spend, if not he will pocket. He doesn’t seem to have that killer obliterate the competition instinct that his father had.

  70. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Cano-

    My mistake.

    Sorry.

  71. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:51 am
    Cano-

    My mistake.

    Sorry.

    no worries and my bad too i am just super upset this morning it leads me to believe that (1) Cashman is overvaluing unproven MLB assets for positions of future need or (2) the guys down below are just not that really valued around the league

  72. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    “He doesn’t seem to have that killer obliterate the competition instinct that his father had.”

    Definitely not.

  73. blake July 5th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    The Yankees will obviously be near the top in payroll next year because they already are if they don’t spend another dime……the problem is that a whole lot of that money is valueless……so the question isn’t will the yanks payroll be high…..it’s will it be high enough to allow them to contend.

    I don’t think Hal is gonna take it to 230+ million again …..

  74. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Cano-

    My take.

    He is hugging too much.

  75. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    I haven’t seen any story anywhere outlining the Yanks “offer” in this trade scenario. Has anyone else?

    Payroll was actually close to $ 230 M last year according to Cot’s. It’s almost $ 30 M lower this year, but most of the that is not being charged for A-Rod, which is a one year blip.

    I thought they spent stupidly last year, especially with Ichiro, Youkilis and Wells, but they tried.

  76. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    I’ll worry about next year next year.

    Right now we have a Division that is winnable w a few upgrades.

    ;)

  77. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    I don’t think Hal is gonna take it to 230+ million again …..

    they’re going to have to b/c they made some bad bets and Sabathia is squarely on them they knew at the time the dangers of long contracts from ARod and ignored the log of innings and body weight shape of Sabathia going into his mid to late 30s it is why when Tanaka opts out the Yanks need to take another hard look and ask themselves did they get the four best years of Tanaka stateside from 25-29 and is it worth giving him another 7 year contract

  78. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    “I don’t know, nor do most of us, what they do post-game to do a cursory check on the player’s condition.”

    Whatever they did or didn’t do obviously wasn’t enough.

    Unless you think CC’s current inflammation, coming after his DL stint for “inflammation, was just an “act of god” that no medical person or technology could have predicted.

    I am not saying they knew this would happen, but someone had to raise the issue that it was too fast. I am also inclined to think he was rushed because of the precarious state of the Yankee SP staff.

    It seems they rolled the dice and lost.

  79. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:53 am
    Cano-

    My take.

    He is hugging too much.

    that at least gives me some comfort because if the right person slaps him around enough to do the right kind of trade even though it will hurt then there is still hope

  80. Section 8 July 5th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:30 am
    Hal just spent over $ 25 Million on International Free Agents. The Yanks have had the highest payroll in MLB every year of his tenure before this one and it’s still # 2. He committed more than $ 500 MILLION to free agents last off-season.

    Criticize how they’ve spent $$$ all you want. But it’s foolish to play the “Hal is Cheap” card.
    **********
    THIS x 1000. They have spent unwisely, and I’ll give you they’ve had an inconsistent and unproductive strategy. You can even try to make the case that it is smarter business to spend much more (though it’s a tough case to make without having insight into their books, obligations to partners etc).

    But cheap, no…certainly when you only have to look across town to see what cheap looks like

  81. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    I hope we are talking to the Phils and the Snakes.

    I think we can do business.

    Rangers and Nats too.

    ;)

  82. blake July 5th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    “they’re going to have to b/c they made some bad bets and Sabathia is squarely on them they knew at the time the dangers of long contracts from ARod and ignored the log of innings and body weight shape of Sabathia going into his mid to late 30s it is why when Tanaka opts out the Yanks need to take another hard look and ask themselves did they get the four best years of Tanaka stateside from 25-29 and is it worth giving him another 7 year contract”

    Well they need to if they want to win short term…..I’m his not convinced Hal is gonna hand out a bunch more money this coming winter. We shall see

  83. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    I hope we are talking to the Phils and the Snakes.

    Cole Hamels and Wade Miley sign me up :)

  84. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    The Boss was a terribly impulsive buyer who wasted tons and tons of money.

    I give him credit for the 1976-81 run, but the rest of his tenure was a disaster. The 1996-2001 dominance would never have happened if not for his suspension and the judgment of Gene Michael and Buck Showalter.

    And remember this…. he let Reggie Jackson go over money.

  85. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Cano-

    We have several very attractive trade pieces IMO.

    Just a question of whether Cashman would move them in the right deal.

    He should if he finds a trade that improves the overall position of the club for the future.

    Will he ?

    No idea.

  86. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    “But cheap, no…certainly when you only have to look across town to see what cheap looks like”

    Good gracious have you guys already forgot about the stupid, dumb 189 plan that has decimated this team!!!!

    And do you have any idea of what their income is compared to spending? Hal has tried to go cheap and it is and has backfired on him in a big way.

  87. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    MTU July 5th, 2014 at 9:59 am
    Cano-

    We have several very attractive trade pieces IMO.

    Just a question of whether Cashman would move them in the right deal.

    He should if he finds a trade that improves the overall position of the club for the future.

    Will he ?

    No idea.

    yeah well i am not too confident now after last night because Russell would have been a very nice piece going forward in a huge position of need and for whatever the reason Cashman was unable to get it done though I do believe Chicago will be open for MIFer/SS business in the future perhaps they revisit it in the offseason again Russell would not have helped this year

  88. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    86-

    GMS had many flaws but I don’t think anyone really questions his passion, or his desire to win.

    At least I don’t.

    That is definitely missing from the equation now.

    Along w the demand for accountability.

    ;)

  89. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    You can not compare spending without also comparing income. Hal is cheap

  90. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Tar

    I think the stem cells did not have enough time to regenerate enough new tissue, and that if any gains were made, they were undone by the shearing forces on the knee.

    Some centers wait six months , no weight bearing for up to six weeks, and light pool walking exercise.

    As I said this area is evolving, but CC’s large frame certainly hindered his recovery.

  91. Captain Clutch July 5th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Angels acquire Thatcher, Campana from #DBacks. Return not yet known.

  92. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Cano-

    I’d actually rather have Castro than Russell.

    Castro is proven and young. Russell has proved nothing.

  93. blake July 5th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Trade market hoppin already

  94. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    YT

    Thanks. I believe it’s incredibly obvious that he was rushed. Whether there is blame for that or not..is open for debate.

    I think their record is abysmal when it comes to medicals. So I know which way I am leaning on this.

    Time for some yard work on this incredible day.

  95. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Hal is still taking advice from the wrong people.

    Until that changes nothing dynamic is going to happen.

    Fresh blood required and a renewed commitment to what made the Yankees great.

    Winners make even more money Hal.

    ;)

  96. SweetSpot July 5th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Some of the comments and insinuations here are absolutely mind-boggling. Hal is cheap and the Yankees medical staff is somehow inferior. You can’t make this stuff up.

  97. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    It’s easy to look back at CC’s extension now, but that the time is was an obvious decision to keep him from opting out.

    He had just finished a 19-8, 3.00 ERA season with 237 1/3 innings. He was 59-23 as a Yankee and just turned 30. Imagine if “Cheap Hal” had let him walk.

  98. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:03 am
    Cano-

    I’d actually rather have Castro than Russell.

    Castro is proven and young. Russell has proved nothing.

    that’s very true also and i was just so focused on Russell b/c the Yanks were after him last night

  99. GregD July 5th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    George bought every big free agent available in the 80s…..and we never won once……..I loved George but he didn’t obliterate the competition…….only in the 70s when he first got here and free agency came into play initially…….

  100. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    MTU

    Those attractive trade pieces for teams looking to win it all this year would have to include:

    Betances
    Gardner
    And even FA Robertson and Kuroda

    If I’m the GM those are the only four I’d be interested in to help win it all now.

  101. TheGreatHambino July 5th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Need a starter or two ASAP Whitley is tired. Shane Greene looked good last two starts give him a shot?

  102. blake July 5th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    “I’d actually rather have Castro than Russell.”

    As would I but Id take either and be happy

  103. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Cano-

    There might be other opportunities.

    We’ll see.

    One thing I do know is you aren’t getting quality without giving up quality.

    So if Cashman wants to make that type of deal he’d better be willing to let go of just about anyone.

    Good trades should take a bite out both parties hinds.

    And both should feel the pinch.

    ;)

  104. Section 8 July 5th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    189 was dumb, a doomed to fail to strategy. It was not cheap.

    All semantics I suppose, and I think most here agree the FO has not been effective. The one thing I’ll give you: when spending $$ seems to be the only competitive advantage you have, spending less certainly seems unwise. But I’d rather have Hal bring in better leadership and empower them even within a budget than just raise the budget with the current management team. Unfortunately don’t see that happening either

  105. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Fine YT.

    What am I getting back in return that will improve my ball club and fill an area of need ?

    What is my equal value for those guys ?

    Let me hear it.

    :)

  106. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    One last thing is the International FA spending is great. But isn’t a little late for them to realize it? ANd really that money is just a drop in the bucket. I mean “dumb no nothing posters” have been advocating they go crazy in this area for years. Abreu has 28 freaking dingers before the AL star break!!! Sorry its great they moved in on this … but like everything Yankee these days, they are a day late to the party.

  107. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    im pretty blown away by the A’s trade. you just don’t see alot of teams go all in like that, trading their two best prospects away. good for them and their fans.

    and a’s fans got the added bonus of a 10 year lease to stay in Oaktown. i know there aren’t alot of hard core a’s fans, but the few there are must feel like it’s christmas!

  108. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    “But I’d rather have Hal bring in better leadership and empower them even within a budget than just raise the budget with the current management team. Unfortunately don’t see that happening either”

    I agree with this.

  109. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Betances
    Gardner
    And even FA Robertson and Kuroda

    to a lesser degree Warren

  110. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Again I ask where is the article spelling out the Yankees involvement in discussions with the Athletics and Cubbies?

  111. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    The Yankees should spend well. Not just spend.

    They don’t seem to have done that in all cases.

    MT will be worth every penny the others maybe not so much.

    Got to make smart trades and keep stocking the Farm with fresh fish.

    Hope that one or two of them make it upstream.

    I’m for change at all levels of the Yankees FO, or even for new ownership which would accomplish the same.

    Hal’s OJT is going kind of slowly FWIS.

    He doesn’t hold people accountable and he doesn’t seem to be listening to the right people.

    ;)

  112. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    who knows what will be offered for betances, gardner and robertson, but it will be alot, all 3 of those guys immediately improve whatever team they go to.

    i don’t know who will offer what, but there will be substantial offers.

    not to listen is wilful ignorance.

  113. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Section 8 & Tar —-

    Who would you hire to run things?

  114. Villa Nova-Ya July 5th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Tar, there was always a chance for a set-back. I don’t “blame” anyone. And even if he came through the rehab okay, he could still have had a setback at any point once he rejoined the team. I don’t think there’s always a necessity to lay blame.

    Not an act of God. A result of years of physical pounding on the knee by a 300 pound pitcher.

  115. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    So if Cashman wants to make that type of deal he’d better be willing to let go of just about anyone.

    Good trades should take a bite out both parties hinds.

    And both should feel the pinch.

    agree i just still worry that they do not have the assets that’s all call me still scarred from last year

  116. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Here’s some of my to do list (been discussed before) :

    1) Newman gone

    2) Levine walled off from all baseball decisions. Advises on finances only.

    3) Cashman moved laterally and replaced by a professional experienced GM and his Team.

    4) Thompson and Long adios.

    5) Hal holds people accountable for their failures.

    That’s a start.

    ;)

  117. PRDENTIST July 5th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Tar,
    Yankees signed the #1, 2, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, and 25 best players according to the MLB.com ranking systems in the international free agent market. I believe that it is very encouraging.

  118. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Cano-

    They may not. I think they do but I have no real knowledge on that subject.

  119. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    MTU

    For Betances, I want a young power hitting stud SS, or corner outfielder, a Giancarlo Stanton type of return.

    For Gardner as the centerpiece, I want a young controlled power arm, a starting pitcher.

    If Robertson could bring a very good offensive prospect, without needing a window to sign an extension, and therefore be in play for a return to NY after this season, I’d explore trading him.

    Kuroda- if he could get another offensive player that could be under contract for two years , explore.

    I, however do not really want to trade Betances, plus other top prospects, if that is what it takes to get one young stud hitter.

    Trading Gardner at his peak, Kuroda, and even DRob, could help fill holes for 2015, if you can resign Robertson after the season.

  120. Captain Clutch July 5th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    The Kei Igawa contract was the worst thing that could have happened to this organization. I think when that deal didn’t work out they were extremely scared about other international guys and completely shut them off. They didn’t even seriously look at Darvish, Abreu, Cespedes or any of the guys out there. Good thing that they went hard after Tanaka but it stinks because they could have gotten some major talent the last couple of years.

  121. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Villa

    Thats a fair take…I am obviously a little more to the extreme

    “Section 8 & Tar —-

    Who would you hire to run things?”

    Randy as president, JF and YF as co- GM’s, MTU as goodwill ambassador, Blake and Doc Joe for the medical staff, jmills as the team psychiatrist,….. :D oh I could go on but yard work beckons.

    Obviously their are the favorite GM’s out there right now. I am not in the loop enough to give a educated opinion on “who”.

  122. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Towers.

    You need a closer/SP, a catcher, a couple of highly rated prospects right ?

    Great.

    I’ll give you Betances, Murphy or Sanchez, and 2 of Phelps, Williams, Warren, etc. for Owings and Miley.

    Let’s talk. Let’s make a deal.

    :)

  123. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    YT-

    It doesn’t matter because our GM is not creative enough or confident enough to ever pull any of that off anyway.

    But those things should be considered.

    ;)

  124. Tar July 5th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Tar,
    Yankees signed the #1, 2, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, and 25 best players according to the MLB.com ranking systems in the international free agent market. I believe that it is very encouraging.”

    very encouraging.

    Captain

    I agree about the Igawa factor. The money they paid him was the least bad thing that happened to the Yankees. It was the whole philosophy change that really hurt.

    Later

  125. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    @MaxWildstein

    #Yankees almost got Hammel and Russell. Deal fell thru. Got nothing as #Cubs got Russell and #Athletics got Hammel.

    Anyone know if this was confirmed by any other journalist?

  126. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    YT-

    What’s the difference it’s water under the bridge now ?

    Instead of focusing on our failures we should be concentrating on creating successes.

    Back on the horse Cashman.

    ;)

  127. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    86-

    That was all I could find on the possible involvement in the Cubs-a’s trade.

    MTU-

    La Russa calling the shots in Arizona.

  128. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    You don’t get paid in Life for almost.

    Or you shouldn’t.

    You get paid for results.

    ;)

  129. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    YT-

    Great. That’s even better. The guy is realistic.

    Same offer.

    ;)

  130. PRDENTIST July 5th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Nobody is gonna give up their young power hitting studs or young controlled power arm starting pitcher. If I have on of those guys, I am gonna keep them and build a team around them. They are all far from free agents and young. Gardner is getting old.

  131. Triple Short of a Cycle July 5th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Giancarlo Stanton type of return.

    ————————

    For a set up guy?

  132. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    i don’t see the Yankees trading Betances during the season Girardi has his hooks in him right now and they are not going to take him away as Girardi abuses his new shiny toy

  133. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Ken Rosenthal says the Yanks discussed Samardija and Hammel w/Cubs. No reference to the Yanks and Russell.

    Who the heck is Max Wildstein? He looks like he’s 13.

    guys — It silly and immature to call for people’s heads without having replacements in mind.

  134. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    towers and gibson are just collecting paychecks and waiting to be fired at this point.
    TLR is tha man in AZ.

  135. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    we did not have what chicago wanted, stud prospects. and theo got them. well played on his part.

    im sure they talked and obviously betances had to be in that discussion, but we just dont have those kinds of prospects right now.

  136. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    That’s what I mean.

    The valuations being placed on some of our guys are simply out to lunch IMO.

    Take Betances as an example.

    He’s great as a reliever. Superb. And he’s young. But his ceiling might just be closer.

    What is a good young closer worth compared to a good young power hitting OF’er ?

    Depends on the needs of the acquiring Team but generally it’s not close.

    The hitter is worth waaaaay more.

    So if you COULD somehow get a good young hitter for Betances, or even for Betances + you do that in a heartbeat.

    Thing is you couldn’t.

    ;)

  137. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Cubs have a pretty nice setup if these guys produce you have Baez probably at 3b now, Russell could be their SS of the future, and then they move Bryant to the OF not bad at all

    this could probably mean Castro might be available at some point probably during the offseason

  138. Triple Short of a Cycle July 5th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    If they plan on leaving Betances in the roll he is in then they should included him in a deal for Castro

  139. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Three games out of first place there’s no chance in hell that the Yankees start selling off pieces for youngsters. that’s not who they are and hopefully never will be.

    I agree there should not be anyone who is “untouchable” but my list of guys I really want to hold on to is pretty short:

    Tanaka, Betances, Refsnyder, Judge, Severino and Sulbaran.

  140. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    you dont get stanton for betances, gardner AND robertson.

  141. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    86-

    Chip has suggested Hart. He’s experienced and he’s good.

    He might be just fine.

    I’m sure there are plenty of others if we were truly conducting a search.

    Don’t make it seem like getting to Mars.

    ;)

  142. SweetSpot July 5th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    The details of trades that don’t happen don’t matter, I don’t care about who we didn’t get. I’m sure Cashman is talking to every GM he can that has players of value and we’ll see by the end of July what the results are.

  143. GregD July 5th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    86—–
    Is Sulbaran a legitimate prospect? Does he have any plus pitches?

  144. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    After this Cubs trade Castro has to be on the market. If so, I gotta make a pitch for him and figure out how to make it work the rest of the season.

    Cubs will want arms and unless the Yanks include Betances and/or Severino it’s probably not happening.

  145. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    86-

    For Castro and considering their future needs they should do that trade immediately.

    ;)

  146. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Is Sulbaran a legitimate prospect? Does he have any plus pitches?

    i thought someone on this blog said he was more Nuno than Quintana but they might have been talking about Camarena

  147. Captain Clutch July 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    This is more like it….
    —————

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: #Yankees exchanged proposals with #Cubs on both Samardzija, Hammel. #Athletics had piece that could trump all – Russell.

  148. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Triple

    If the other team plans on making Betances a starter, then getting a young stud power hitter would not seem unreasonable, but yes if he’s going to be a set up guy, it’ll take quite a bit more.

    Again, I’m not itching to trade Betances, but I would not give him away without filling a desperate need on offense.

    The offense still stinks. The Yankees get 6 runs yesterday in the first two innings, then are shut down for the last 7 innings on 4 hits.

  149. GregD July 5th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I think you only trade your best prospects if you are in the A’s position…….ready to win it all……the Yankees aren’t even close……

  150. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: #Yankees exchanged proposals with #Cubs on both Samardzija, Hammel. #Athletics had piece that could trump all – Russell.

    yeah this makes sense i have doubts now that the Yanks were in on Russell and Russell trumps any card the Yanks have

  151. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Epstein is too concerned about what Baseball America says.

  152. GregD July 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am
    Is Sulbaran a legitimate prospect? Does he have any plus pitches?

    i thought someone on this blog said he was more Nuno than Quintana but they might have been talking about Camarena

    ————-
    I read that too……I guess we’ll find out more when he moves to AA

  153. Captain Clutch July 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Other teams are always going to have better than prospects the Yanks. Cashman can try to get big names but will almost always be out bid.

  154. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    I think you only trade your best prospects if you are in the A’s position…….ready to win it all……the Yankees aren’t even close……

    on reflection this makes 100% and the key is ready to win it all NOT just the lousy AL Least

  155. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    If he wanted a great young SS why not go after Profar ? Higher rating than Russell.

    I bet the Rangers would have listened for the Shark.

    ;)

  156. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    GregD —

    Haven’t seen him, but a 20-year-old lefty who can go 33 innings in High-A ball and give up just two runs like Sulbaran has in his last six starts has to be a prospect. I do know he’s not a power, high strikeout guy.

    He keeps the ball down, which makes him more valuable to the Yankees especially once they no longer have the least infield range in the history of MLB. In 62 1/3 innings this season he’s allowed just one HR.

  157. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    A ball guys have little to no trade value no matter what they have shown.

    They are usually throw-ins.

  158. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    If he wanted a great young SS why not go after Profar ?

    but would the medicals worry you

  159. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Cano-

    No. He’s young.

  160. Madrugador July 5th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    There are a lot of smart posters here so I need some help on this one.
    Straily, in 41 big league games is 13-11 with a 4.11 ERA. He started the season on the big league club and after 7 starts and 38.1 innings pitched with a 4.93 ERA was demoted to AAA.

    Addison Russell looks like a hitter but only has 70 plate appearances above A ball

    and Bill Mckinney is hitting .241 in A ball.

    To me this package does not really impress. Did the Cubs give away too much and get what seems like little in return? Is the player to be named later the key to this trade?

  161. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Billy McKinney is in A-ball and he is a big part of this trade. Building/re-building teams want talented players and they don’t much care where they are playing.

    The Rays, on the other hand will want MLB ready talent in any trade for David Price because they now expect to contend every year.

  162. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Remember Garcia and Vizcaino.

    Or Campos. Or even DePaula.

    Great young arms all.

    Any of ‘em stand a good chance of making a name in the majors ?

    Fragile commodities. Even the high end ones.

  163. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    “The Blue Jays are “heavily scouting” Diamondbacks infielders Aaron Hill and Martin Prado, as well as Padres third baseman Chase Headley, ESPN’s Jim Bowden reports”

    from mlbtr

  164. G. Love July 5th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    If the Yankees don’t win the World Series this year then I hope the A’s do. I love how bold Beane can be and how every move he makes includes potential other moves down the road.

    He plays chess. The Yankees play Chutes & Ladders.

  165. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Straily is nothing special, but baseball people love Russell. McKinney is only 19 and showing power with 10 HR in 75 games.

    Keep in mind Samardija is a FA after 2015 and Hammel after this season. Both are having career years, but Samardija hasn’t been as good lately. It’s not like the A’s just added Kershaw and Grienke.

  166. AAA July 5th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    The Rays, on the other hand will want MLB ready talent in any trade for David Price because they now expect to contend every year.

    ===========================

    Surprised the Rays passed on Russell. Tells me they are looking for multiple high end, close to MLB ready guys. Cardinals would seem the best match, but don’t know that they are in the market for him.

  167. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Cano-

    I think Epstein dreams too much.

    Let see how many of his prospects actually reach their ceiling and make an impact.

    Or better yet. Stay healthy.

    My bet is a few years from now the Cubs still won’t have their championship.

    Most of the great building for the Sux was done by Duquette not Epstein.

    He’s over rated.

    ;)

  168. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    If you are “heavily scouting” some players does that mean you are sending fat guys to watch them play??

  169. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Price has more value than the Shark.

    Quite a bit more actually IMO.

    The demand should be higher.

    ;)

  170. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    . Both are having career years, but Samardija hasn’t been as good lately. It’s not like the A’s just added Kershaw and Grienke.

    agree actually i am more interested in Russell or Castro parts of all of this talk this morning

  171. Yankee Trader July 5th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Have to go.

    Again, the Yankees should have never mentioned the word microfracture surgery yesterday, even though it might be a possibility. The price on trades like Price, just went up! :(

    Stem cell treatment is evolving. While I do think CC came back too soon, there is not clear cut evidence from what I’ve researched, that the path of treatment was medically wrong.

    The Yankees have so many holes, and so few major league current attractive players to offer, that would dramatically enhance a teams chances of getting to the WS this year. With a hobbled Beltran, an aging Team, the team should start preparing for 2015. They won’t do this. I just hope they don’t bring in more aged players with large contracts.

  172. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    i think the rays want both. they got wil myers (mlb ready), jake oddorizzi (a year away) mike montgomery (at the time a 21 y/o starter rated #23 on BA’s prospect list) and patrick leonard (rookie ball) for big game james. i think this is the trade model they will want for price.

    they will likely be looking for a mix of young players, one ml ready and a few a bit further back.

  173. Missing Cano July 5th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    With a hobbled Beltran, an aging Team, the team should start preparing for 2015. They won’t do this. I just hope they don’t bring in more aged players with large contracts.

    agree absent one of Price, Hamels, or Miley i do not want anything at this point maybe a buy low audition of headley for the rest of the season but that is about it either go high end or not at all

  174. mick July 5th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    MTU

    I haven’t checked. When are Shark and Hammels FA’s again?

  175. G. Love July 5th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Epstein knows that to have longevity you have to always be dangling the carrot in front of your owner and fanbase. He loves highly rated prospects because it makes him look smarter and he can constantly move the line down while waiting for his can’t miss kids.

    The irony is he won in 2004 with inherited mercenaries and with a trade of their homegrown All Star SS.

    As long he wins Baseball Prospectus/America and Keith Law’s approval, he’s thrilled.

    I think trading 2 of the top starters on the market for another SS is ludicrous and a big overpay for a prospect in AA.

  176. AAA July 5th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Most of the great building for the Sux was done by Duquette not Epstein.

    ================================

    This is generally false. Somewhat true of the 2004 team, but that’s it. Duquette was actaully pretty awful as Boston’s GM, where he once suggested “Jose Offerman will replace Mo Vaughn’s OBP”. He was much better while with Montreal.

  177. joeman July 5th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Big Game is a FA this coming offseason….KC will let him go

  178. yankfan1 July 5th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    “Three games out of first place there’s no chance in hell that the Yankees start selling off pieces for youngsters. that’s not who they are and hopefully never will be.

    I agree there should not be anyone who is “untouchable” but my list of guys I really want to hold on to is pretty short:

    Tanaka, Betances, Refsnyder, Judge, Severino and Sulbaran. ”

    not sure about Sulbaran, Id be hesitant to trade Jagielo and Clarkin too. I like Sanchez more than others do, but it seems that the Yankees are intent on trading him.

  179. Madrugador July 5th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    YT-
    “Stem cell treatment is evolving. While I do think CC came back too soon, there is not clear cut evidence from what I’ve researched, that the path of treatment was medically wrong.”

    There are aggressive and conservative approaches to treating injuries. Physical therapy for a partially torn rotator cuff injury would be conservative and surgery would be more aggressive. We have consistently seen the team be conservative because that gives them the greatest chance of getting the player back sooner. It also carries the risk of losing them for a longer period if that approach doesn’t work. (think Beltran)
    The conservative approach is good for the short term although IMO this team needs to think long term.

  180. Triple Short of a Cycle July 5th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    Shields is not having a very good year

  181. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    the a’s had to make a move like this. sonny gray only has about 70 innings til he blows past the verducci line. jesse chavez (and kazmir) seems to have found some magic elixur that turned a 30 y/o journeyman into their #2. pomeranz broke his (non throwing) hand. the other guys, straily and milone are hardly the types to pitch you deep into the fall, even with their great offense.

    i still wouldnt be surprised if they call the met’s about fat bart.

  182. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    YT-

    They will likely do what they have been doing and drive down the middle of the road.

    They should pick a lane though.

    Have a good day.

    :)

  183. mick July 5th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Hammel’s a FA next year.
    Shark the year after.
    Pass.

  184. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Mick-

    Hammels is a FA after this season.

    I think Shark has a longer contract but is 30 yrs. old.

    Price is 28 and a lefty, cy young winner from the AL East.

    Big difference IMO.

  185. mick July 5th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Tigers still the favorite over the A’s.

  186. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    so the A’s can stick shark with the qualifying offer after next season?

  187. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    the a’s are clear the favorite to win, they were favored over Det before this trade.

  188. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Epstein is still over rated in my book.

  189. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    and i guess whoever gets pricee at the TD can stick him with the QO after next season? anybody know for sure?

  190. mick July 5th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Yanks are going after bigger fish than the shark and hammel.
    They want a whale..

  191. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    I’m out.

    Catch you all later.

  192. Triple Short of a Cycle July 5th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Say what you will about Epstein but Cashman would never have the balls to trade an all star shortstop in the middle of the year

  193. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Price is under control for this year and next.

    so after 2015 if no extension then yes.

    Later.

  194. Ys Guy July 5th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    until the tigers fix that BP they are not going to the WS.
    (same old story even with nathan and the chubster)

  195. Madrugador July 5th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Anyone else think Warren (45 innngs) and Betances (50 innings) look gassed?

  196. MTU July 5th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Cashman is not the comparison.

    Don’t think he’s very good as a trader.

  197. Hankflorida July 5th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Murders Row and Cano could afford to carry Vasquez, Burnett and Garcia as long as they got innings. This team cannot outslug their opponents or afford to burn out the pen with Whitley, Nuno and Phelps pitching. Can they stretch out Huff and Warren and gamble because sitting with what they have is flirting with disaster. I have given up on Betances as a starter as the Rivera and Wettland is still in play.

  198. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    yankfan1 —

    I don’t disagree, but I only wanted to list five guys.

    Sulburan may not have top end talent, but here’s why I have him there. He’s a 20-year-old who is dominating High-A hitters. He throws ground balls (remember our Stadium) and is a lefty, which has added value.

    I left out Sanchez because of the catching depth in the organization.

  199. mick July 5th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    If Warren is gassed , would stretching him out be practical?

  200. 86w183 July 5th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Both guys look gassed when they pitch two days in a row. the death of Sean Kelly has forced that to happen too often. Betances (38 pitches last two days) should get today off… then again so should Robertson (42 pitches last two days) which makes for an interesting situation.

    Really need a strong start AND a few extra runs. Need Thornton, Milller and (gulp!) Kelly to get it done this afternoon.

  201. Hollister Outlet August 2nd, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    Can you do a post for this but just for real time data? Just say you are using this instead of ajax to poll the server and update the page??

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