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Postgame notes: “We still have it in us”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter, Carlos Beltran

This was the Yankees’ day: They made a trade for a starting pitcher, moved on from a struggling hitter, scored nine early runs, and held on for their third win in four days. They hadn’t scored this many runs since May 7, and by winning this series they pushed their record back to one game above .500 with a week to go before the All-Star break.

At the very least, this has a chance to be a day that feels momentous when things are said and done.

“We swung the bats well, and we needed it because we hadn’t been swinging the bats well for a while,” Mark Teixeira said. “It just gives us a little boost to know that we still have it in us.”

The postgame clubhouse was interesting, because guys seemed pretty happy about the win and happy for the guys who made the All-Star team. But asked if it felt like a big day, Teixeira said it felt more like a “tired” day. This was the third day game in a row, and there was a lot going on, including a popular teammate being designated for assignment. It’s easy to look from the outside and say this was a day the Yankees made themselves better — or at least gave themselves a chance to be better — but from the inside, a teammate is gone and there’s still a long way to go.

“Soriano’s like family to me,” Derek Jeter said. “I played with him for a long time. When he first came up, and then obviously coming back now. Sori’s had a tremendous career here in New York. He’s done a great job. It’s difficult for him this year. Anytime you talk about a player who’s used to playing every day not playing every day, it’s hard to be productive. I feel for him. I’m going to miss him, but I’ll be in touch with him. He’s like a brother to me. He should be proud of what he’s been able to do, not only in the past but this year as well, and I wish him nothing but the best.”

Past the mid-point of the season, though, it seemed time for the Yankees to make tough decisions and go after players that might help them going forward. They did that this morning. It’s also time for the offense to start playing up to its potential, and nine runs on 14 hits was a pretty good way to start doing that. The Yankees scored at least six runs in three of four games here in Minnesota.

“You look at three of the four days, we hit the ball extremely well and that’s what we need,” Joe Girardi said. “We need to come up with that consistency. There’s going to be those days when you don’t hit the ball, but it was great to jump all over Nolasco and then add some more on later. … It seems like it’s been a while since we won a series, so I think that this is big. We’ve got to carry that momentum into Cleveland and try to win another series. A four-game series can be tough to win. We’ve got to go give everything we’ve got for the next week.”

Jacoby Ellsbury• We all know that Jeter was elected to the All-Star Game by fans, but it’s worth noting that he was also the American League’s leading shortstop on the players’ ballot. Jeter had 344 player votes while Alexi Ramirez had 313. It’s not only Yankees fans who want to see Jeter in one last All-Star Game. His peers do as well. “I’ve never taken it for granted any time that I’ve gone,” Jeter said. “I’ve enjoyed each and every one of them — but especially so, I’m looking forward to this one.”

• Also from the players’ ballot: Masahiro Tanaka had more votes than any other starting pitcher in either league. Dellin Betances had the third-most votes among American League relievers, so he made the team that way. He was not selected by the manager.

• Former Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano won the fan vote and will start the All-Star Game, but it was Jose Altuve who had the most votes on the players’ ballot. Altuve is having the better year, but it’s kind of cool that Jeter and Cano will play next to one another one last time. “I played with Robbie for a long time,” Jeter said. “I was there when he came up, and we’re friends as well as teammates. It’d be great to see Robbie.”

• Dave Robertson has to be the biggest Yankees snub. I was pretty convinced he’d make it — his strikeout rate is actually higher than any other major-league pitcher with at least 25 innings this season, including Betances — but he’s left out of the mix. The final ballot for the American League is LHP Dallas Keuchel of the Astros, RHP Corey Kluber of the Indians, RHP Garrett Richards of the Angels, RHP Rick Porcello of the Tigers and LHP Chris Sale of the White Sox. Gotta be Sale, right?

• Brian McCann showed up this morning and told Girardi he felt good enough to play, but Girardi made him go through full BP before putting his name in the lineup. McCann said the injury is between the first and second toe, midway down his left foot. He expects to play again tomorrow. “It shouldn’t be a problem,” he said.

Hiroki Kuroda• In his final regular-season game in Minnesota — we now know he’ll be back later this month for the All-Star Game — Jeter went 3-for-4 to collect his 23rd multi-hit game of the year. He’s a career .323 hitter against the Twins. His ninth-inning single was the 3,400th hit of his career. He’s the first player since Pete Rose to reach that number. “We pay a little bit of attention, but I don’t think he pays too close attention to that,” Girardi said. “Obviously he’s going to end up way up there in the record books, but he worries about wins and that’s what we worry about.”

• Although Girardi had Betances warming at one point, he said he badly wanted to stay away from using him today. “I really did,” Girardi said. The Yankees wound up getting through that eighth inning without using Betances, then Robertson pitched for the third time in four days to close it out.

• Not a great start for Hiroki Kuroda, but aside from one four-run inning he managed to get out of every bit of trouble. He’s 6-6 on the year and won for just the second time in his past seven starts. “He had the one inning that was a little bit shaky,” Girardi said. “He had two outs with nobody on and gave up the three runs, but overall he was pretty good today.”

• Ichiro Suzuki tied his season high with three hits today. He also did that April 4 in Toronto. This was the 14th time in his career that he had at least three hits against the Twins. He also did it on July 4 last year.

• Jacoby Ellsbury hit his fifth home run of the season. It was a three-run shot, part of a two-hit day. “We know he’s got pop,” Girardi said. “He hit a couple of balls (hard) today. The one in the first inning, too. He hit that ball a long ways too. A nice catch by Sam Fuld, who ran down a lot of them this weekend.” This was oddly his first career home run against the Twins.

• Final word can go to Teixeira: “It’s just good to score runs because throughout the whole series it was basically a team effort. It wasn’t like it was one guy who carried us all series. We had one through nine contribute pretty much every game except for yesterday, so that’s a good sign.”

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242 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We still have it in us””

  1. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I do wish, in a parallel world, that Betances goes to the Rays in a package for Price. Just to watch how he is immediately set upon a course to get stretched out for starting, with nary a glance to the back-end of a game.”

    Yea there is no doubt if they traded him to the Rays he’d turn into a CY young winner…..I mean he just would right

  2. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    • Dave Robertson has to be the biggest Yankees snub. I was pretty convinced he’d make it — his strikeout rate is actually higher than any other major-league pitcher with at least 25 innings this season, including Betances — but he’s left out of the mix.
    ===========================
    Chad-

    What about Brian Roberts?

  3. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Long Post Chad.

    You’re getting to be like Dan and Doreen.

    :)

  4. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    I’m sure Pedro would have liked Mo closing for him Game 7 2003.

  5. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    Steve-

    As long as BM is seen only as a backend guy I’m fine w it.

    I thought you were implying that he might be good enough to fill our real void at the top.

    Sorry if I misunderstood your POV.

    ;)

  6. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    “like family to me” “like a brother to me”
    that’s almost as emotional as i’ve ever heard jeter.

  7. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    That one game probAbaly cost DRob …..he’s been fantastic this year but he had one game where he have up like 6 runs or something and that has screwed his era up

  8. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    As long as BM is seen only as a backend guy
    =============================

    I thought you were implying that he might be good enough to fill our real void at the top.
    =========================================================
    MTU Stop or we will have to get Colon checked again. :)

  9. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Pedro was more valuable than Mariano but it’s kinda a irrelevant argument because it really has nothing to do with Betances”

    et tu brute…

    Someone posted that relief pitchers 7,8 and closers to be exact are just as valuable as starters.

    So I posed the question of who you pick Pedro or Mo? You are correct it has nothing specifically to do with Betances…… but it does have everything to do with which role has more value.

    Hey how about Nunie huh… hitting the ball, running like crazy and playing all over the field. Must be that old school manager he plays for.

  10. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Mike -

    Apologies for the lack of clarity.

    To reiterate, McC coming in as a replacement for Nuno was a clear upgrade.

    More is needed though; they still don’t have a 2, and a strikeout throwing LHP would be a good solution.

    Steve

  11. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    Mick-

    I’ll call him McCarthy from now on.

    You happy now.

    Thank God his name isn’t Saltalamacchia.

    :)

  12. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    blake,

    This is all Betances fault. If he wasn’t such a good reliever Drob would have made it.
    Plus it could give him more confidence if/when he replaces Drob next year.

  13. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Yeah I thought that those were great quotes by Jete. He definitely has a knack for saying the right things… kind of like me :D

  14. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    MTU credit only if you didn’t have to look up the spelling.

  15. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    you mean the stuff that was removed from the board?

  16. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Steve-

    Yup. They are light up top.

    Rondon would be good if he could just throw more strikes.

    I thought Fred Lewis would help but he has faded out.

  17. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    Exiled-

    I didn’t.

    :)

  18. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    You guys really telling me you would not surrender Betances for Price ?

    Really ?

  19. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    I know you wouldn’t Mick but I mean everyone else.

    :)

  20. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    MTU

    Maybe if Price guaranteed an extension.

  21. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Sori was a great Yankee…..I’ll remember him that way

  22. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    5.5 more years of Betances (+ others for sure) or 1.5 years of Price?

  23. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Mick-

    That is a possibility.

    We offer him w a negotiating window attached.

    ;)

  24. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Sori could have been an immortal if not for the implosion in Game 7.

  25. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    “So I posed the question of who you pick Pedro or Mo? You are correct it has nothing specifically to do with Betances…… but it does have everything to do with which role has more value.”

    In a vacuum it’s the starter of course…..but when you’re talking about 1 player you can’t assume they will be as good in one role as the other.

    Good starters are more valuable than good relievers…..but good relievers are more valuable than bad or mediocre starters.

  26. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    MTU

    Only way I do the deal.

  27. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    I would love to have Price but I’m afraid they’d get jobbed and robbed on a trade. First I’d really want to know that Price was not averse to pitching in NY. He loves it in laid back Tampa. The beard is not an issue. He made it clear he was poking fun at the Yankees.

  28. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    mick says:
    July 6, 2014 at 9:18 pm
    Sori could have been an immortal if not for the implosion in Game 7.

    Yea it sucks that that homer is kinda lost in history…..ironically Mo didn’t hold the lead

  29. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Squat-

    What makes you so sure it would only be 1.5 of Price ?

  30. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Exiled-

    You think Price objects if his Benjamin’s are handed out by the Yankees ?

    :shock:

  31. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Price doesn’t help much if they don’t improve the offense….h

  32. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    And getting “jobbed”.

    Really. For Price ?

    What would your idea of being “jobbed” for a guy like him be ?

    I’m just curious.

  33. tbone1570 July 6th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    mick says:
    July 6, 2014 at 9:18 pm
    Sori could have been an immortal if not for the implosion in Game 7.

    Yea it sucks that that homer is kinda lost in history…..ironically Mo didn’t hold the lead

    ***************************
    And that Brosius didn’t turn the double play.

  34. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    How do you know when a pitcher can pitch in NY until he gets here?
    We would never have gotten Ed Whitson or AJ Burnett if we knew that.
    Not even Javy Vasquez the 2nd time.

  35. PRDENTIST July 6th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    I wouldn’t mess with Betances now, but in the off season, have him start and see where he ends up. Remember Mo was a “failed” starter. I watched him begin as a starter, it was not very pretty.

  36. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Price will make more money coming to NY for a year and a half and succeeding that anyplace else. If Tampa isn’t all in he couldn’t make a better career move than coming to NY. I’d give him 7 years tomorrow. He’s a lefty Cy Young at 28.

  37. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Blake-

    He’d be a pretty damn good start though.

    :)

  38. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Or “start-er”

  39. J-rays July 6th, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    I admit I never saw Betances pitch in the minors. I know the Yankees did though. He’s where he should be and where I’ll bet he stays. In relief. Nobody’s going to pick him up as a starter.

  40. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    MTU,
    Yea I mean if they got price they’d have a shot if they could make the playoffs……Id love to get him….I just don’t think they can get him without probably Betances plus 2 or 3 more high end prospects

  41. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    5.5 more years of Betances (+ others for sure) or 1.5 years of Price?
    ————————————–
    would they be able to QO price for an extra year?

  42. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    I really don’t think the Rays will deal with the Yankees but on the other hand…..they are really smart and if they can gut a farm system then who’s better to gut than your divisional rivals?

  43. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    i wouldn’t even blink trading betances for price. it’ll cost alot more than that, more than we have, i believe.

  44. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    MTU that’s a tough one to answer for me. I don’t get to see the minor leagues. I’m not giving them he 5 best guys in the system and Betances. He’s an all star now. Betances as the main piece probably but not with more than one other big name.

  45. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Blake-

    And your opinion on that ?

    If you could lock him up via a negotiating window you wouldn’t make that type of deal ?

    Let’s say it was Betances, Sanchez, +

  46. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    exiled-

    No one says it takes 5, or even 4.

    And “gutting” is a relative term.

    ;)

  47. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    blake says:
    they are really smart and if they can gut a farm system then who’s better to gut than your divisional rivals?
    =================
    sort of what the M’s thought they were doing to us with cano and what we thought the effect on boston would be with ellsbury.

    both were overpays for that reason..

  48. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    Got rid of one old man today. But that’s not nearly enough. I think Pirela is going to be the one. They’ll platoon him with Ichiro, he of the .328 slugging pct. Yes .328. And the problem is, Pirela hasn’t even hit lefties all that well this year.

    The Yanks love Ichiro. The love the idea of Ichiro. And his defense. They don’t love him as much as Roberts but it’s close.

    I blame Jeter for a lot of this. For this old man culture. The belief that only grizzled vets can get to October. When Jeter’s gone next year the team can move on with a completely different point of view. Tanaka can lead them. Maybe Ellsbury. Maybe Refs playing the role of Jeter 1996. New blood needs to flow.

    As far as the rest of the season goes, I think for the lineup this is basically it. Wheeler plays some infield. Pirela plays some OF. Ichiro, Jeter, Roberts in the lineup virtually every day. Johnson is the next player most at risk but I don’t think he’s moving any time soon. Remember, he’s the back up 1b. But he does leave that leaves room for Solarte. Or Solarte could eventually replace Wheeler. Sure is nice to see him crushing it in Scranton now. Still think his time is not now.

    The Big Change is next year when Jeter leaves. And the team can finally move on.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    PRDENTIST, well I’ve seen the guy start about 14 times, mostly in Trenton.

    It’s worth the so-called “risk”, but I’m confident there really isn’t much of a real one.

  50. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    Sounds like from Chad’s article, the team is feeling good about it’s offense now. Sure wish somebody would ask why they can’t hit like this at YS?

  51. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    FWIW, the Rays are not going to ask for pitching. If they deal with the Yankees, they are going to want young hitters. The Rays have no young hitters in their system. They can draft and develop pitchers, but they have done poorly with hitters.

    Judge, O’Brien, Sanchez plus a couple C types.

    blake, I’m expecting you won’t sleep tonight….lol.

  52. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    Let’s say it was Betances, Sanchez, and Judge or Severino.

    No deal ?

  53. J-rays July 6th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Lackey doing some trash talking on Cruz. Shows players are all over the place with that stuff.

  54. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    I’m doing it.

    ;)

  55. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Sounds like from Chad’s article, the team is feeling good about it’s offense now. Sure wish somebody would ask why they can’t hit like this at YS?
    =================
    Could be the pressure of playing in NY.
    Can an entire team suffer from the Ed Whitson Syndrome?

  56. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    eric bedard has made 18 starts for tampa, they need pitching if/when they lose price.

  57. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    MTU -

    Rays want hitters.

    Send Judge, O’Brien, Sanchez and Bird.

    Severino is likely being saved for next offseason (see: Cubs).

    Steve

  58. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    Steve-

    If the Rays would give a negotiating window and take those guys I’d do it faster than the speed of light.

    :)

  59. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    wanzies
    How about Murphy over Sanchez?

  60. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    MTU then yes I would do Betances and Sanchez+ but. I know that’s not enough. they got Will Myers and Odorizzi plus for Shields and Davis. We don’t have a Myers to giveup. It’s the Addison Russell thing all over again. We don’t have a high enough prospect so you have to offer more + a premium within the division. That’s getting jobbed and robbed.

  61. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    I remember all the Joba starter nonsense and how he’ll be a starter when he walks from the Bronx. Well we see how that turned out. Now we have this uproar about a 26 year old relief pitcher who has had exactly 3 months of success in the Big Leagues and how he should be a starter. No I respect everyone’s opinions especially when it’s based upon a sound platform of logic. However, when the argument is based on how stupid the NY Yankees are and how inept the scouting department when compared to a fan who has seen him x amount of times in AA Ball. Come on let’s search for some credibility

  62. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Let’s say it was Betances, Sanchez, and Judge or Severino.
    ======================
    i’d say deal and get off the phone before they could change their minds.

  63. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    mick -

    Sanchez is universally valued higher than Murphy.

    Steve

  64. pat July 6th, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    jonmorosi
    Talks between Padres, Blue Jays on Chase Headley remain ongoing, source says. Toronto’s need increased in light of Encarnacion injury.

  65. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    my probem is this MTU

    our luck has been bad when we depend on one player to carry us due to the injury factor.
    what if price comes up lame?
    we are giving away the farm for that chance.

  66. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    MTU,
    Id have to see the deal man……

  67. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Exiled-

    I’ll go w Steve’s package.

    That isn’t getting “jobbed”.

    We’d have to get drunk.

    ;)

  68. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    “Judge, O’Brien, Sanchez plus a couple C types”

    ——-

    That won’t even get you close to Price. The Yanks don’t have the high value prospects to bring in a Price. You need top prospects who are close to the major leagues. Refs fits that but his profile is devalued by the Prospect Industry so his relative worth isn’t high. For the Yanks to make a deal for a Shark or Price type, it will require young cost-controlled players from their ML roster. Betances is probably the only one that fits.

  69. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Sanchez is universally valued higher than Murphy.
    ==============
    steve-
    exactly why i’d want to keep him.

  70. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    exactly…they got myers and odorizzi plus plus for shields, they’re not taking betances sanchez and severino for price who’s better. they will do better than that.

  71. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    “you mean the stuff that was removed from the board?”

    I was succinct and to the point. If you didn’t get the message…. maybe you should ask smeagol

    Good night everyone.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Tar,

    You still in?

  73. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    dan -

    Baseball people do not pay attention to the “Prospect Industry” or the media. You shouldn’t either.

    Steve

  74. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    as much as i like them, we dont have what it takes to play at the price-hamels table.

  75. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    Mick-

    No one can make those types of guarantees.

    It’s part of the evaluation process.

    A determination.

    But there are no guarantees w prospects either.

    ;)

    Blake-

    Take Steve’s.

    ;)

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    If you’re still in, Tar:

    Gil Patterson reportedly was part of the faction that wanted to keep Betances starting. He was overruled by “the consensus.”

  77. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    “blake, I’m expecting you won’t sleep tonight….lol.”

    I barely sleep anymore…..you get used to it

  78. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    OK.

    I’m done (for now).

    I’m trying my best to get you guys a #2 lefty but you just won’t play.

    :)

  79. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    FWIW, don’t be surprised if the Rays don’t try to make a run this season and keep Price.

    It will depend on where they are at the TD.

    So don’t waste too much time debating the merits of a fantasy trade…lol.

    Have a great rest of the evening.

    Steve

  80. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Tampa will take nothing less than raping the system. It would be stupid of them not to gut a division rival. On this I agree with dan. you’re not getting Price for that package and yes Betances is the only proven piece. It would take that plus maybe Phelps and more. Think rape in you want Price bad enough.

  81. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    MTU

    what i’m saying is that you are giving up 4 or 5 guys that can help in various ways, young guys
    for one pitcher .

  82. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Blake-

    So many little Blake’s will do that.

    You can rest when you’re dead.

    :)

  83. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    OK Steve then I’ll re-focus on Hamels.

    See that was easy.

    ;)

  84. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    “Judge, O’Brien, Sanchez plus a couple C types.”

    I would really hate to lose judge…..he’s in A ball yes but sometime those come back to bite you. With te shape the Yanks offense is in if you’re trading Judge and Sanchez both (maybe their best two potential bats) then you better win a title over the next two seasons before Price is a FA……. Even if they extended him they’d need to win one before he declines.

    I just don’t know if the Yankees are good enough to do a deal like that…..that’s a deal you make if you’re 1 piece away …..the yanks are several pieces away

  85. Missing Cano July 6th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Baseball people do not pay attention to the “Prospect Industry” or the media. You shouldn’t either.

    :)

  86. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Now if they had flipped Betances in the Hamels Russell trade they maybe coulda flipped Russell to Tampa as a center piece for Price but that ain’t happenin.

  87. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Mick-

    True. But you must give to get.

    That is the way it works.

    I wouldn’t worry. The Yanks hug hard these days.

    You’ll likely get to keep your precious prospects.

    :)

  88. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I’d like to see some reference to support the claim that Gil Patterson was in the Betances ” is a starter ” camp. I don’t buy that for one moment

  89. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    communist propaganda

  90. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Missing Cano says:
    July 6, 2014 at 9:49 pm
    Baseball people do not pay attention to the “Prospect Industry” or the media. You shouldn’t either.

    I think they pay attention more for perception than anything……they know that’s what fans see so even if they don’t value a play the same way they know that if a deal backfires and Baseball America had it rigt and they didn’t then it makes them look bad…….

    kinda like when the Yanks drafted Cito Culver when he wasn’t on anybody’s top 100……I mean that’s fine if you’re right ..if you’re wrong you look like idiots taking a guy like that in the first round

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    This is for all who keep posting things like ‘Betances was ready to quit!” , and that Betances felt rescued from being converted to the pen. Not really. The kid begged them to keep him a starter. Read:

    “Can you see what you can do to change it? Let me get three or four more starts, and if I don’t do good then you can do whatever you want,” Betances said to minor league pitching coordinator Gil Patterson, who had delivered the organization’s decision in person in early May 2013.

    In many ways, it was a convincing argument.

    Betances’ likeable personality and commitment to his craft had earned him fans among the organization’s coaches and executives. “Everybody was always grinding for him,” Patterson said. “And he felt like he was getting very close [to turning things around as a starter].”

    But it fell to Patterson to gently relay the majority opinion: This is your best way to help the Yankees and help you get to the big leagues sooner.

    “He was disappointed,” Patterson said. Once he’d assured Betances the organization still was in his corner, “he felt more and more convinced — not that it made it easier because I knew how badly he had worked to stay a starter.

    - See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....dsHia.dpuf

  92. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    MTU

    You really oughtta check out Colon.
    He could be a good #2.

  93. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    J-rays July 6th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
    Lackey doing some trash talking on Cruz. Shows players are all over the place with that stuff.

    Did you see showalter’s response?

    Looooooved it…

    Basically called out the Red Sox hypocrisy for ignoring ortiz’s use of PEDs while whining about everyone else…

  94. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Buck is my kind of guy.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Guess Tar ain’t coming back tonight.

  96. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Back to the Colon again ?

    I’m beginning to wonder about you Mick.

    ;)

    P.S. I don’t want him unless he visits Dr. Purita again first.

  97. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Teams that trade top prospects usually have more top prospects to spare.
    We don’t.
    I’m not giving up Severino or Judge for 1 year of anybody…
    Ill part with Sanchez as long as we have JR Murphy.

    We don’t have enough stud prospects to give them all away, like these teams that do make those trades.

  98. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    MTU

    8 PM over there.
    Isn’t it time for bed?

  99. blake July 6th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Basically called out the Red Sox hypocrisy for ignoring ortiz’s use of PEDs while whining about everyone else…”

    Somebody had to say it eventually….good for buck

  100. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    My feeling on betances is that if they’re sign robertson to a long term contract, they should most certainly move betances to the rotation in 2015. If not, he will be our next closer…..

  101. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Just about.

    :)

  102. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    BoSox are America’s Darlings.
    Lilliputan Pedey the favorite Elf.
    Last year was a fluke.

  103. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    colon 2 bad outings in a row.

  104. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    And if Roberts has a big weekend in Baltimore next week Buck will probably call him out Buck is an equal opportunity bast@rd.

  105. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    If/When Beastances is our next great closer, so called fans will still whine about it.
    Nothing is ever good enough for the Faction.

  106. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    dan -

    Baseball people do not pay attention to the “Prospect Industry” or the media. You shouldn’t either.

    ——

    They actually do all the time whether they realize it or not. Having a prospect ranked Top 100 or Top 20 absolutely affects that prospect’s value. If Refs had a higher profile, i.e., was a No. 1 pick, with what he did last year he would been a Top 100 prospect. With what he as done so far this year, he would be Top 20/30 mid-season. Because he’s not, his value is lower than other prospects who haven’t performed as well.

    For somebody like Price, you’ll need a high value prospect like Addison Russell, someone the Prospect Industry loves.

  107. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    maybe a colonoscopy is needed?

  108. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    BIG DAN

    Leftovers is on HBO right now.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    Having Betances become the team’s closer is an enormous waste of a singular talent.

  110. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    A colonectomy more likely.

    ;)

  111. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....feature=kp

  112. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    BIG DAN

    Leftovers is on HBO right now

    —-

    Cool. I’ll DVR it.

  113. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    I don’t really want Price.

    Who cares if he can hold a Team like the Tigers to one run ?

    They’re chumps anyway.

    Not a real challenge.

    ;)

  114. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    anything cashman does has to go beyond 2014.

    Our current rotation for 2015 is:

    Tanaka
    Phelps

    With possible appearances by such pitchers as: CC Sabathia, Michael Pineda, Ivan Nova after next All Star Break….

    Whitley, Greene, Turley are possible I guess….

    We NEED a number 1 or 2 to go with Tanaka

  115. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    dan

    make sure you dvr the english version, i assume.

  116. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    I don’t see any way they get Price, and even if they did manage the unthinkable and snagged him, he still wouldn’t be enough this season because they can’t score.

  117. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    “We NEED a number 1 or 2 to go with Tanaka”

    I think they need to ask themselves if they are better off trading away a big chunk of their future for David Price or Hamels who they’d either have to sign or take on their contract or just sign Jon Lester this winter and keep all those guys.

    I know Id rather have Lester+ Judge+ Sanchez etc than David Price alone

  118. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Blake-

    No guarantee Lester makes it to FA.

    What then ?

    ;)

  119. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Yanks will have to overpay for Lester and they will, just see Ellsbury.

  120. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    MTU,
    Just an example….but I think he will.

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Just for the record, since everyone here except for like 3 people assume there was nothing to salvage as a starter: In Betances’ last start before they gassed him, he threw five no-hit innings. In that outing, he couldn’t grip his curve well enough to throw it for strikes – no problem: he switched to his changeup and dominated.

    The guy is overwhelming. The idea that a couple of BBs are going to sabotage the kind of dominance he’s capable of, or cause these meltdowns from which he’ll never recover, is not stuff that should ever issue from the imaginations of otherwise intelligent people. I think it’s just cognitive closure – there’s no real thought process behind robotically repeating words like “failed starter” and all the other stuff that just wants to turn the page just because some don’t want to hear this any more.

  122. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Blake-

    Guess we’ll find out.

    ;)

  123. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    They’ll have to pay more to extend Price than to sign Lester

  124. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    I think if rather have Lester for the next 5 years than Price…..Lester is more equipped to deal with a physical decline.

  125. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Betances could be a number 2 next year no doubt.
    Yankees have concerns about him repeating his delivery and being able to keep his fastball up near 100.
    They are gunshy because of joba……

  126. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    You don’t know if Lester will make it to FA.

    That is a hope.

    Far from a certainty.

    He loves the Sux and wants to stay. Has a Man crush on Farrell.

    They’ll make another run at him before he escapes.

    And it might just succeed this time.

    ;)

  127. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Hamels would be the best case. But i seriously don’t think they want to take on that much money. They’re not close enough for one pitcher to put them over the top. Maybe a playoff spot but I’m not mortgaging the farm just to look like 2012 alds again. not with this offense.

  128. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    I know we need lester, but it would sicken me to see him in pinstripes…

  129. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Gary Sanchez is very hard to value right now. Much depends on whether you believe he can make it to the major leagues as a catcher. There is some debate among evaluators whether he will. Then the next question is whether he has an exceptional bat. There’s much debate around that as well.

    So it comes down to this. If you don’t think Sanchez is a major league catcher, he has very little value. If you feel he will become a major league catcher without an exceptional bat, he has significant value as a future backup or starter. If you believe he is a future major league catcher with an exceptional bat (for a catcher or otherwise), than Sanchez has very high value.

    And it is certainly not clear right now what category Sanchez will fall into. It depends entirely on who you ask. So I guess right now his value is extremely variable.

  130. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    price is a year and a half younger than lester.

  131. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    July 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm
    price is a year and a half younger than lester.

    Still don’t think he will age as well

  132. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    MTU,
    No I don’t know…..but Boston’s pattern is to let guys go. I think they will lowball him and he will leave…..but we will see.

    My point remains that I’m not sure the Yanks are good enough to justify a Price trade……they are more than one player away and they need to seriously get younger and better offensively

  133. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    MTU

    Did you see my post of 10:09?
    They will make him an offer he can’t refuse.

  134. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Blake-

    They need the pitching either way.

    CC is likely gone.

    If you can secure the right guy now you have to consider it.

    Lester’s FA is a gamble too.

    I agree they need more O too but that is another part of the puzzle.

  135. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Mick-

    If he REACHES FA.

    Which is far from certain.

    That is a gamble of a different sort

    ;)

  136. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Big dan,

    Did you take that comment from the statements about Jesus montero and just change it to Gary Sanchez? It’s basically the same thing hey said about him. I’m willing to part with him only because I think Murphy has what it takes to be the future catcher….

  137. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Tomorrow is a big day for the Yanks. If Greene looks good and appears he can pitch now in the MLs, that changes the dynamic for the team, at least from the pitching perspective. It will allow Whitley to stay in the bullpen where he can really help.

  138. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    You know this Front office has Boston Envy. They will get Lester if they can. He could be a lefty Mike Mussina type addition.

  139. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
    Blake-

    They need the pitching either way.

    CC is likely gone.

    If you can secure the right guy now you have to consider it.

    Lester’s FA is a gamble too.

    I agree they need more O too but that is another part of the puzzle.

    ——

    I believe they have the offensive replacements from within…
    Pitching is further away…

  140. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    I’ll take any one of:

    Price
    Lester
    Hamels
    Miley

    As long as we get one.

    ;)

  141. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    boston has to sign a pitcher. lackey, lester and peavy are FA’s, bucholz is a bust.

  142. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    MTU

    Go compare Lester’s and Price’s post season #’s.
    It might shock you.

  143. NYY_Girl_Penny July 6th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    yeah we scored runs today off a below avg struggling pitcher. not to mention we still went Team RISP: 5-for-14.

    not impressed. it will be back to the same trash offense before you can salute Soriano.

  144. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    “I believe they have the offensive replacements from within…
    Pitching is further away…”

    Unless they trade them all for said pitching

  145. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Mick-

    Compare Hamel’s and Lester’s.

    ;)

  146. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Mick-

    If he REACHES FA.
    =============
    MTU

    They are already in his ear.
    Boston will never come near what we offer him.

  147. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Blake, I agree this is why I don’t want to trade for a starter if we have to give up more than a couple serious prospects…..

    I want Troy Tulowitski if anyone…..

  148. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    You guys win.

    I give up.

    Get Lester (If he is available).

    :)

  149. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    I would take Lester over Hamels and Price if all it costs is money MTU.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    ac1 – I think they just are too hypnotized by his overwhelming success out of the pen and are slow to change things even when they don’t go as swimmingly. Dellin will sit 94-96 hit 97 regularly and top out 99-100 as a starter. If they’re worried about his velocity then they haven’t been paying attention.

  151. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    Did you take that comment from the statements about Jesus montero and just change it to Gary Sanchez? It’s basically the same thing hey said about him. I’m willing to part with him only because I think Murphy has what it takes to be the future catcher

    —–

    I disagree a bit about the comparison to Montero. I don’t think any evaluators outside the Yankees’ world really believed Montero could be a major league catcher. Well, check that. I guess some folks in Seattle did lol. The whole Montero thing was a three card monte. I don’t believe even the Yanks thought he was a catcher and that was the main reason he was traded.

    There are def people outside the Yanks’ system who believe Sanchez has the potential to develop into a major league catcher. But that belief is far from universal. Now with Murphy, I think there’s a strong consensus that he’s a future major league catcher and most likely a starter.

  152. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    If Sori retires, how long before we have a day for him to sell t-shirts and and seats?

  153. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Blake, I agree this is why I don’t want to trade for a starter if we have to give up more than a couple serious prospects…..

    I want Troy Tulowitski if anyone…..
    ======================
    If it were up to blake, we would have Drew.
    So no Tulo for you!

  154. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    mick-

    You mean Jacoby ?

    OK, You win.

    It’s time for bed.

    See you for the breakfast Club.

    :)

  155. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Pruff, do you really believe that Dellin Betances is good for 18-21 outs every 5th day ???? I fully get it that he’s one of your favorite farm chattels but in the interest of winning games at the major league level, toy think Dellin is a starting pitcher ???? You’re willing to risk 5-6 starts ( wins / losses ) to prove this point ???? If your job is on the line, you’d have him in the rotation ????

  156. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
    ac1 – I think they just are too hypnotized by his overwhelming success out of the pen and are slow to change things even when they don’t go as swimmingly. Dellin will sit 94-96 hit 97 regularly and top out 99-100 as a starter. If they’re worried about his velocity then they haven’t been paying attention.

    —-

    Again I think they are gun-shy because of Jobber….

  157. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Why isn’t there a chant for Chapman to start I wonder?

  158. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    lester’s the one.
    we have no shot and hamels/price.
    but i dont think he’s gonna reach free agency.

  159. blake July 6th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Blake, I agree this is why I don’t want to trade for a starter if we have to give up more than a couple serious prospects…..

    I want Troy Tulowitski if anyone…..”

    Yes

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Keep Sanchez – bat is too good.

  161. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    Lester may reach FA.
    I think we will end up with James Shields in free agency….

  162. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Lester sure aint takin a Pedey Deal.

  163. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    tulo’s having a great year and he’s on a pace to play the most games in his career!

    oops!…maybe i shouldn’t have said anything….

  164. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Blake, I agree this is why I don’t want to trade for a starter if we have to give up more than a couple serious prospects…..

    I want Troy Tulowitski if anyone…..”

    Yes
    ===========
    But Drew might be available next year.

  165. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
    Keep Sanchez – bat is too good.

    Keep them all.

    It’s time to start getting younger.

    I know people don’t get hyped over prospects years away, but we have Sanchez, Judge, Refs, and several pitchers…

  166. mick July 6th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    8:27 and MTU is going to bed?
    I’m not buying..

  167. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    @Shane_Hennigan: This game has it all. Charlotte leads 13-7 in the 7th. Jose Ramirez just left with an injury & CF Taylor Dugas is coming on to pitch.
    —–

    Yikes
    Two innings from a non- pitcher out of necessity and not because of blow out….

  168. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    Boy Banuelos was really bad again today. I don’t think he’s the same pitcher.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Ac1 – I’m not sure why. Joba was deprived of mil innings. He had like 88,something all told. Dellin has always been dominant and experienced a breakthrough that has yet to be given a trial in the role that could have the most impact. If you mean they don’t think they cab hack the learning curve to come because they’re spooked by their mishandling of Chamberlain, well maybe so – but then iIf that’s the case, then dwveloent should be made of sterner stuff! Especially when the payoff could be extraordinary.

  170. ac1 July 6th, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Jap I agree I think betances could be our number 2…,

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Yes, ac1 – keep all the really good ones. Time to build something around here

  172. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Shane Hennigan ?@Shane_Hennigan 51m
    This game has it all. Charlotte leads 13-7 in the 7th. Jose Ramirez just left with an injury & CF Taylor Dugas is coming on to pitch.

    :(

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Honestly I’m not all that engaged with this group they’re running out there nightly. As many other commenters have lamented, it’s Tanaka starts and Delli entries that wake me up. But having a team of Refsnyder, Da Judge, Jagielo or Andujar at 3rd, Sanchez and Murphy (hope it’s not either/or but I don’t have to solve that problem right now), Betances Tanaka Nova maybe Pineda if he can ever make it back whole, Jo-Ram,’Severino, Manny hoPefully – That’s what I want to see – homegrown players who come of age together and earn being a team: not just a bunch of mercenaries who have no past as Yankees and are supposed to be forced down my throat as the new core. Fat chance.

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Dellin – not Delli – /Girardi’d

  175. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    A blister plagued Dellin in 2011, but hopefully it’s not more than that with Manny… plus, he’s still building arm strength. Hopefully, he gets back to what he was. And I hope we see the good Shane Greene tomorrow. When he’s good he’s very good and when he’s bad…

    Best of luck to Soriano. Jeet’s heartfelt response was telling/moving.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Jo-Ram down. Ugh. Thanks guys for info

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    It is sad about Sori. He’s born of us, after all.

  178. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Andujar is kicking butt – a 1.006 OPS in last ten and still a babe at 19.

  179. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Hopefully, nothing too bad. Yes, definitely feel for Sori –a Yankee at heart — even though I didn’t want him out there.

  180. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    And congrats to Dell on ASG. Humble, hard-working a New Yorker, and talented as hell.

  181. Section 8 July 6th, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    anybody see this in Bill Madden’s column in the Daily News today (sorry if this was posted/discussed earlier)?

    “…Graig Nettles who does not have a plaque at Monument Park and who wasn’t invited to Old Timer’s Day this year, the same day his best friend, Goose Gossage, got his own plaque in Monument Park. I suppose there’s some reason why Nettles is now persona non grata with the Yankees, just like his fellow ’77-’78 world champion Yankee hero, Sparky Lyle, who only won a Cy Young Award for them”

    News to me, but if true about either Nettles or Sparky, that would be a damn shame. Though not lifelong NYY, both were great Yankees during a great era. Andy Phillips was invited and not these guys?

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    YF – it’s a shame Andujar was only available to our eyes in cold windy April, before he had a chance to heat up.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    I was not aware of any bad blood between Nettles and the Yanks.

  184. bigdan22 July 6th, 2014 at 11:07 pm

    So Ramirez out with an injury. And Burawa gives up six runs in less than an inning.

    Doesn’t look like much help coming from Scranton for the bullpen. And the Yanks need help.

    Both Andujar and Katoh have really played well for the last month after a rough starts. Both are 19 in the Sally League. Same age has Fowler. Andujar has a ton of errors at third though. I think over 20.

  185. Bring in the Goose July 6th, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    MTU -

    Enjoy your posts quietly from the sidelines.

    However, your overuse of emoticons at the end of each and every post is a little tiresome.

    You have a lot to offer this blog. Save the smilies and winkies for the 8th grade girls.

  186. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    Why isn’t there a chant for Chapman to start I wonder?

    —————————

    How come they didn’t leave Wainwright as the closer?

  187. RhapsodyInBlue July 6th, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    At least Banuelos poor outings can’t be blamed on Girardi.

  188. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    “YF – it’s a shame Andujar was only available to our eyes in cold windy April, before he had a chance to heat up.”

    Bat was overmatched and he was still making adjustments early. But on live stream, you can see how much more comfortable he is.

    I’m not too worried about Andujar’s errors. Maybe his athleticism is permitting him to get to balls that others wouldn’t have. From what I have seen he is the only 3B we have who has decent D along with the bat.

  189. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    I too am not sure why Nettles wouldn’t be invited to OTD unless I am forgetting something…

  190. BoJo July 6th, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    Years from now, we can all look back and tell our grandkids about how much we enjoyed the Soriano farewell tour.

    Damn…this boycott isn’t going so well.

  191. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    hey bojo. are you boycotting?

  192. BoJo July 6th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Yes..want Chad to allow someone back on the site…his/her account was hacked and someone posted nasty comments that prompted a ban, I believe this person is innocent. Can’t say any more.

  193. BoJo July 6th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Apparently though, I’m the Vidal Nuno of boycotting.

  194. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    nick cafardo says the cubs plan to move addison russell off SS

  195. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    brandon mccarthy cleaed waivers a few weeks back according to joel sherman.

  196. blake July 6th, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    July 6, 2014 at 11:31 pm
    nick cafardo says the cubs plan to move addison russell off SS

    Well they have Byrant and Baez too…..they have 4 really good infielders for 3 spots.

  197. blake July 6th, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    July 6, 2014 at 11:33 pm
    brandon mccarthy cleaed waivers a few weeks back according to joel sherman.

    Yea but they still didn’t give up anything really to get him

  198. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    yes and they still would have had to lose someone off the 40.

  199. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    lotta smoke around the headley to the jays trade with lawrie out and encarnacion headed out for a month or more.

  200. Hankflorida July 6th, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    The number two starter holds the keys to the kingdom. Tanaka alone is not going to do it. Betances would have fit in giving the Yanks a chance for this year but it was not in the cards as his game is now the pen. If the power game is now in the bats of three players with six playing small ball, last year’s offense of 640 runs seems to be in play. Must have that dominant second starter or the pitching will also look like last year’s stats of giving up 680 runs. Those stats does not even mean the 2nd Wildcard. A 2nd dominant starter can change the equation even with this offense, and that should be Cashman’s quest before the trading deadline.

  201. Ys Guy July 6th, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    somehow i missed this:
    “- Yankees: RHP Michael Pineda (shoulder) hasn’t seen game action since April 23, has been playing catch, and now Joe Girardi says the 25-year-old may be able to start throwing from a mound by the end of next week. Girardi previously stated that the Yankees were hoping to get Pineda back by August. (Alex M. Smith, MLB.com)”

  202. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:01 am

    tulo sounds ready to leave denver; ” I have the utmost respect for Todd (Helton), but at the same time, I don’t want to be the next in line as somebody who was here for a long time and didn’t have a chance to win every single year. He played in a couple postseason games and went to one World Series. But that’s not me. I want to be somewhere where there’s a chance to be in the playoffs every single year.”
    Mark Kiszla of the Denver Post

  203. BoJo July 7th, 2014 at 12:08 am

    Hankflorida July 6th, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    Exactly why I predicted based on strong intuition that Cashman will overpay to get Price. If he is really lucky, he should try to get a Price/Zobrist package—which would basically guarantee first place finish in east.

  204. Hankflorida July 7th, 2014 at 1:33 am

    Bojo, you may be right and Cashman may give away the farm for Price. Whoever he brings in for the offense does not give him enough pieces to vastly improve their run scoring capacity. Cashman is locked into small ball with an outfield of Gardner, Ellsbury and Ichiro. Station to station scoring is not my cup of tea, but if it gets the job done with Tanaka, Price, Kuroda, McCarthy and Phelps, I don’t care how you get there as long as you have October baseball as a result. I prefer Murders Row and Cano, but will take Koufax and Drysdale and small ball.

  205. bbb51 July 7th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    Tulo sure seems like a guy that wants to come to the Yankees…

  206. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    The Phil’s sound much like the Yankees saying they have a lot of talent in the room. Their baseball cards are old too.

    Lee pitched two innings yesterday and then it rained. I don’t know what the plan was.

  207. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:12 am

    Good morning.

    We got McCarthy. All is good.

    “McCarthy was signed to a two-year, heavily back-laden contract worth $15.5 million as a free-agent in December 2012. At the time, Brandon was recovering from a nasty head injury resulting from a line-drive, and also had a long record of shoulder injuries. He had averaged less than 15 starts a year from 2007-2012, but had been pretty good when healthy – over his two seasons in Oakland, he had a 120 ERA+. However, McCarthy’s time in the desert was bedeviled by a mix of more bad health, poor luck (a .334 BABIP over his season and a half) and an unfortunate fondness for serving up meatballs. The end result? He’s one of nine with 15+ starts for us, and a negative bWAR.”

    http://www.azsnakepit.com/2014.....amondbacks

  208. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    I didn’t know this. Rob Refsnyder played RF for 3 years at Univ. Of Arizona and for 42 games in minors in 2012.

    Who will be the next one called up?

    Solarte
    Pirela
    Almonte
    Refsnyder
    Sizemore

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._soon.html

  209. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Triple-A Scranton (13-9 loss to Charlotte) they managed to hit five homers and lose

    RF Jose Pirela: 1-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K, 1 E (fielding)
    2B Rob Refsnyder: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 3 K — third homer in his last ten games
    3B Yangervis Solarte: 3-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 RBI, 1 K — mashin’
    LF Adonis Garcia: 1-4, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 BB
    DH Kyle Roller: 2-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 2 K
    1B Scott Sizemore: 0-2, 2 K — not sure why he was pulled from the game, though with all the recent roster moves, it wouldn’t be surprising if it was a call-up

    Baby Bomber recap:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/......+Blues%29

  210. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Hope I’m not boring you with all these reading assignments.

  211. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    YT,

    Not boring me. I like it.

    McCarthy leaves me singing “Is That All There Is”?

  212. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    While this is not my personal preference , the Yankees might call up Sizemore to platoon at third with Johnson, and use Wheeler as a super utility with playing time at RF. They probably will use internal options until the trading deadline, and if little or no luck , look to trade for a bat.

    Still too many red flags with the current offense to now have all warm and fuzzies, because they scored 9 runs yesterday!

  213. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Don’t know that much about Greene, except that he has a 94 mph sinker. Play your best defensive infield tonight Girardi and maybe the kid will have a chance.

  214. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Goose-

    Thanks for compliment.

    I use the emoticons to prevent people misunderstanding my intentions.

    A lot gets lost on the Internet and some remarks are easily misinterpreted.

    They help cut that back IMO.

  215. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    High A Tampa

    LHP Daniel Camarena: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 5/4 GB/FB, 1 E (pickoff) — one earned run or less in nine of his last eleven starts at this level

    Is he the real deal?

  216. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    MTU

    Good morning. Nice to have friends like you and Mac around this morning.

    Who is Goose?

  217. ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    Anyone see the gunk on Price’s arm last night?

  218. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    YT-

    It’s A ball. Sounds like he’s headed for a promotion.

  219. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    YT-

    “Bring back the Goose” was complaining that I use too many emoticons.

    I took the trouble to explain why I use them is all.

  220. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I’m sad to hear Bojo’s been on a self-imposed sabbatical.. but ya’ll should know that trisha’s IP was traced to a dummy account that was saying some pretty ratchet stuff about another poster, which was why she was banned. She claims it was hacked but my understanding is that’s nearly impossible. If it were likely, I’m sure she wouldn’t have been booted. Chad’s always been fair.

  221. ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    My feeling is that one good pitcher will not get this team a world series, so unless it is a salary dump for a 1 or 2 and a one prospect move, two at the most, i say let the kids play. And injured or not, I still believe Lee will be the target because he is the one Cashman can maybe get without giving away the farm, because of the money he is owed over the next 2 years.

    Hamels, Cashner, Price will require us to deplete the farm again, which is what keeps putting us in this position.

  222. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Good morning ac1 and Shame

  223. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    My new motto:

    Hug a prospect. Save a Dynasty.

    :)

  224. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    ac-

    If Lee is healthy he’s a proven winner.

  225. ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Please no Sizemore again.
    Why can’t they bring up people who may actually have a future with this team??
    AND
    Let them play!

  226. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:32 am
    Don’t know that much about Greene, except that he has a 94 mph sinker. Play your best defensive infield tonight Girardi and maybe the kid will have a chance.

    ——————

    Greene seems like the type of career minor league starter we have a couple of in the system. Hope he has a good outing tonight and that the bats show up again.

    One thing I was saying over the weekend was: Beware of how you feel about this team after ANY Twins series. They always manage to boost our confidence and then we have a habit of disappearing.

  227. ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:44 am
    ac-

    If Lee is healthy he’s a proven winner.

    ___

    Agreed. I know we all hate Lee for his comments when he signed with Philly, but who cares now? If he can help us, and I believe he can, he is one of the best options out there, and I feel like we can take on the salary and we have a couple pieces the Phillies could use.

    Plus Lee would give us the 1A we need to pair with Tanaka next year.

    What a beast top 3 we’d have with Tanaka, Lee and Betances (if they decided to give it a shot)….

  228. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    ac-

    More likely might be Tanaka, Lee, Pineda.

  229. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 8:42 am
    My feeling is that one good pitcher will not get this team a world series, so unless it is a salary dump for a 1 or 2 and a one prospect move, two at the most, i say let the kids play

    ———————

    I agree we’re not one good pitcher away but it’s all about the context of the deal.

    I don’t think we have even a remote chance of getting Price or Hamels but just for the fun of the debate, assuming you extend Price or take on all of Hamels’ salary, the point is that you’ve locked up your #2 going forward – and maybe you add enough this off season to go all in for 2015.

    They’ve continued along this middling path.. and they’re in the same spot, after 3-4 years of the same tactics. Reading back a bit, I tend to lean toward’s blake’s preference of signing Lestah since the Sox have low-balled him and hanging on to our pieces.

    I can’t say it fits Hal’s budget plans well, however, given our other needs.

    At some point, though, they’re going to have to fast track some of these kids. Refs might be the first to get that sort of treatment from the org in a long time.

  230. blake July 7th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    bbb51 says:
    July 7, 2014 at 7:30 am
    Tulo sure seems like a guy that wants to come to the Yankees…

    I think he prob would like to as Jeter is his idol and he wants to win……still don’t know if they’ll trade him though right now. They are a long way from winning that division though

  231. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    If you believe that the current 25 man roster, even if one solid bat, and a #2 or better pitcher is added, will not get the Yankees deep into the playoffs, beating the A’s or Tigers, or even the Angels, to advance to the WS, then play the kids, and deal some of them if you can find a young major league ready SS, ready to take over In 2015.

    No to Lee

  232. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    What do you guys think McGehee is on this year…?

  233. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    “I agree we’re not one good pitcher away but it’s all about the context of the deal.

    I don’t think we have even a remote chance of getting Price or Hamels but just for the fun of the debate, assuming you extend Price or take on all of Hamels’ salary, the point is that you’ve locked up your #2 going forward – and maybe you add enough this off season to go all in for 2015.”

    Muy bueno. I agree. Waiting for Lester to hit FA is risky.

  234. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Lee having arm issues doesn’t concern anyone????

  235. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Villa-

    The assumption was that he is healthy again.

  236. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Back in a while.

  237. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    MTU – With the Sox coming in with offers reportedly in the $70 million range, I think it’s becoming more likely Lestah hits the market. He has said publicly he wants to stay in Boston.. but you could be talking about a $30-40 million gap between what he could get elsewhere. If I’m Mrs. Lestah, I know what my advice would be! :)

  238. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    MTU,

    he is older. I wouldn’t trust that his health would hold up going forward.

  239. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Lee has issues with his elbow.taking on that hefty salary with that red flag, will keep the Yankees from adding other players of need to fill the holes for this year and next.

    So my vote again is no to Lee, as I don’t think the Yankees are one bat and a pitcher away from advancing to the WS this year, let alone winning the AL East.

  240. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    I’d give Lestah $100/5.

    You’d still probably need another arm.. I dunno that Tanaka, Lestah, McCarthy, CC, Pineda/Nova/Phelps is a dominant rotation exactly, but our back end guys have done a better than expected job this season, IMO.

  241. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    :arrow:

  242. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    ANybody know what injury J-Ram suffered?

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