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Rookies Tanaka and Betances to join Jeter at All-Star Game

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka

Derek Jeter is going to his final All-Star Game. Masahiro Tanaka and Dellin Betances are going for the first time.

Dellin Betances“I’m glad I have the opportunity to go,” Jeter said. “But I’m extremely happy for Tanaka and Dellin too. Those guys deserve it as much as anyone.”

In his first season since leaving Japan for the Major Leagues, Tanaka was the first American League pitcher to reach 12 wins and he currently ranks second in ERA and fifth in strikeouts. It’s unlikely the 25-year-old will actually pitch in the game because he’s current only schedule to start Sunday’s game in Baltimore, the Yankees final game before the All-Star break. Tanaka said he still plans to attend, though.

“Obviously I’m looking forward to it,” Tanaka said. “To be part of it and to be able to meet with some of the best pitchers in the major leagues, that’s going to be a great experience for me. If there’s a chance, I’d definitely like to be able to talk with some of them and maybe pick their brains.”

While Tanaka arrived with overwhelming hype, Betances came into spring training with overwhelming uncertainty. His minor league career had been uneven, but he won a spot in the Yankees bullpen has been overwhelming as a versatile late-inning reliever. His 0.75 WHIP is even lower than Tanaka’s, and he’s struck out 78 batters in 50.1 innings. There were times when it seemed he might never live up to his overwhelming potential, but he’s thrived in the relief role.

“Wow,” Betances said. “When Joe called me in the office, I was at a loss for words for a second. I’m truly blessed and honored to participate in this event. I’m so excited. … I was emotional earlier, because it’s been hard work. It’s been a long journey from all the years in the minor leagues, all the ups and downs, just to have such a good first half and for the players to vote for me, I’m truly humbled. It’s a crazy feeling for me right now. I’m enjoying each and every day here. I’m blessed to be a Yankee.”

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116 Responses to “Rookies Tanaka and Betances to join Jeter at All-Star Game”

  1. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Mike -

    Obviously, he needed low pressure ab’s. Yes, he will be back. Could very well be for Johnson.

    Jays are said to be interested in Johnson, believe it or not. That’s how cheap (sorry, frugal) they are being about this TD.

    Steve

  2. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Steve-

    The potential return for KJ ?

  3. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Maybe a B-/C+ pitching prospect? Nothing ML ready…high A level power arm. That’s the target.

  4. pkyankfan69 July 6th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Wow,” Betances said. “When Joe called me in the office, I was at a loss for words for a second. I’m truly blessed and honored to participate in this event. I’m so excited. … I was emotional earlier, because it’s been hard work. It’s been a long journey from all the years in the minor leagues, all the ups and downs, just to have such a good first half and for the players to vote for me, I’m truly humbled. It’s a crazy feeling for me right now. I’m enjoying each and every day here. I’m blessed to be a Yankee.”
    ——————
    Could not be happier for the guy

  5. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Steve. Did your guys ever mentioned who it was that Theo wanted and Cashman wouldn’t part with ???? I’m likely not going here anything on this until later in the week.

  6. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks Steve.

    And the #2 starter we need ?

    We’ve discussed some of the possibilities.

    Hamels, Miley, Price, etc.

    Anyone else we can add to the list ?

  7. Chase July 6th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    You just gotta love Dellin Betances.

    Him and Tanaka are the bright spots of the year.

  8. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Pat M.-

    I’ll bet you it was Betances.

  9. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Hi Pat,

    My guys heard there were a couple of scenarios, but it got real quiet once Russell was included. Word is it was never really close.

    Steve

  10. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:44 pm
    Thanks Steve.

    And the #2 starter we need ?

    We’ve discussed some of the possibilities.

    Hamels, Miley, Price, etc.

    Anyone else we can add to the list ?

    ———————
    Mike -

    Not many #2′s available. That’s a pretty good list, IMO.

    Just gotta find a guy they can match up with Scherzer in the playoffs.

    Steve

  11. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Tanaka needs a partner.

    :)

  12. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    If we knew for certain that Pineda would stay healthy he could be that guy.

    But we don’t.

    :(

  13. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    “Not many #2?s available. That’s a pretty good list, IMO.

    Just gotta find a guy they can match up with Scherzer in the playoffs.”

    —–

    Well there is potential #2 available…he’s young and an All Star. All he will cost is a EIG and some guts.

    :wink: you have to admit I am persistent.

  14. nettles9nc July 6th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Steve,
    What is the FO philosophy as to (1) why they are not or have not been promoting the young guys sooner and (2) why they seem to shy away from Cuban players (since they have not signed or seemed to attempt to sign any of the ones who are currently excelling.

    I do not want to debate that philosophy but just have an understanding of their thinking.

    Thanks.

    Steve from NC

  15. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Mike -

    Phils have done their part. They are 1-9 in the last 10, 2nd worst record in the NL, and a bunch of lousy contracts. They will have a three year window to turn it around and Hamels won’t be around for that.

    Steve

  16. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    “If we knew for certain that Pineda would stay healthy he could be that guy.”

    Sounds like a good candidate for our EIG replacement.

  17. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Well hell Mr. Russell ends all conversations I have to think and the outfielder McKinney was rated very highly before last years draft and is believed to have some real high upside potential…… Nice call on McCarthy who is a huge upgrade and a steal when you consider all things being equal…..I know it’s fashionable for folks here to rag on Starlin Castro, but the 24 year old shortstop just made his 3rd All Star team in 5 years. Love for The Yanks to acquire him because it’s quite simple, he’s one of the best players in baseball and better than anyone The Bombers have now and in the future as things appear today

  18. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Steve-

    I’ll keep rooting for them to sink like a stone.

    :)

  19. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Tar -

    Not happenin’. The game is a three-parter now-a-days…. 6 IP from your SP, lockdown 7-8 and CL. All three parts are equally important. The first half of the year the NYY have had two guys in the 7-8 spot that they like there. Robertson will be back, so they should be in good shape for several years at the backend.

    Steve

  20. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Pat M

    Just curious…If they got Castro where would he play this year?

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Congrats to Dealin’ Loisaida Dellin Betances!

  22. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    All three parts are equally important.”

    Sorry I respectfully and completely disagree. SP is more valuable than any relief pitching.

  23. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    nettles -

    You have to look at the roster at the time the Cuban OF were coming to market. The perception was that the roster at that time and the AA/AAA guys were the direction they wanted to go.

    FO was in on some the FA, but just couldn’t get it done. It’s not always about money. Many of them don’t want to play in NY.

    Steve

  24. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    When relief pitchers start throwing 200 innings they will be equally important.

  25. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Tar, I refer you to an old Frank Sinatra song about an ant, a rubber tree and high hopes…..Last time I failed to explain in clearer detail.

  26. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Also Top shelf SP is way harder to acquire or develop then Top shelf RP.

    if you had the choice of prime Pedro or prime Mariano who do you pick?

  27. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Tar -

    We can agree to disagree, but I’m not disagreeing. I’m telling you what scouts are told to look for. Every team wants to lock down the back end of game. SP don’t go nine anymore.

    Steve

  28. nettles9nc July 6th, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Steve,
    Thanks for the insight, that helps alot, just curious, why don’t they want to play in NY?

  29. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Tar…..3rd base for now and forever. Starting at 3rd and hitting 3rd, Starlin Castro

  30. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    If Aaron Hill is anything near productive, I need him here. I need a spark. Back in the day, when the Islanders needed an infusion, they traded for one, Butch Goring. Butch was a grizzled vet from L.A.. He had a real beard and led that playoff Islanders team. Mike Bossy, Brian Trottier, Billie Smith, Clark Gillies et all benefitted.

  31. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Steve… Scouts / Evaluators said the same thing about Joba and it was a huge bruha here for years. Betances is not a starter

  32. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    “We can agree to disagree, but I’m not disagreeing. I’m telling you what scouts are told to look for. Every team wants to lock down the back end of game. SP don’t go nine anymore.”

    A back end lock down is great…… when you have the horses in front. The Yankees don’t have the horses as evidenced by all this talk of 75-100 mill dollar plus prospect fixes. Maybe they should just start the search in their own backyard.

  33. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Pat M -

    Couldn’t agree more re: Joba. Unfortunately, the media tossed gas on that fire and the fans get caught up in the emotion of it.

    And, Betances is not and won’t ever be a starter.

    Steve

  34. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Pat

    Thanks for Castro reply. I always assumed you wanted him for SS.

    “Steve… Scouts / Evaluators said the same thing about Joba and it was a huge bruha here for years. Betances is not a starter”

    Yeah and Darvish wasn’t worth going after….. because Igawa was such a failure. You are probably correct in that is how they think. Doesn’t make it correct though.

  35. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Tar -

    Unfortunately, the Yankees are working on SP #9-10 on the depth chart.

    I don’t think there was any plan for 3/5′s to be DL’d.

    They have a plan in place and did a great job with the draft this year, but they need some short term bandaids, thanks to the injuries.

    There is no easy answer, unfortunately.

    Steve

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Tar,

    Part of me hopes he gets traded because no one’s dealing for Dellin so he can be a reliever.

  37. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    “And, Betances is not and won’t ever be a starter.”

    What do you think the odds are if he gets traded that the team getting him turns him back to a starter?

  38. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    HAHa

    J Alfred I of course didn’t see your post.

  39. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Tar -

    I don’t see Betances ever getting traded. He is following a pretty good career path, is a local guy and has his dream job. Where’s he going?

    Steve

  40. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Rob Refsnyder leads off the 3rd with a home run. Yangervis Solarte follows with a triple. Solarte’s perfect season with SWB continues.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    HAHa

    J Alfred I of course didn’t see your post.
    ///

    :D

  42. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Alfred, its great to see you, I miss your strong arm over my life. I’ve been relying on John Tonelli as best I can :D

  43. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    “They have a plan in place and did a great job with the draft this year, but they need some short term bandaids, thanks to the injuries.

    There is no easy answer, unfortunately.”

    Personally I think they are making it more difficult than it has to be. Start Dellin and move Pineda when he comes back to the pen. Probably easier to stretch out Dellin at this point than it will be Pineda.

    And I’m curious to what do you think the impetus was to make him A RP. In other words was him being out of options a factor in their decision?

  44. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Pineda should remain a starter. But Betances should get another chance. It’s not becoming a reliever that made him better.

    Can you imagine Tanaka and Betances and Pineda in the rotation next year? Talk about beast mode…

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    jmills – I’m buried in work; haven’t posted hardly at all and have watched two of these Twins affairs on my DVR. Forgive me, you’ll likely get a Proustian sized meditation from me one day soon, that you can count on :)

  46. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Tar -

    Betances made the decision really easy for the FO. He’s not a good starter. Can’t repeat the delivery for more than 1-2 innings.

    We can site x number of examples of players whose mechanics were fixed, but the fact remains that Betances is a lousy starter. But he’s an all-star RP.

    Plus, he’s comfortable where he is. That’s pretty important to a player’s success.

    Steve

  47. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    MTU-Last paragraph answers your question.

    Jon Heyman
    Baseball Insider
    Yankees made big try for Samardzija, finish second
    July 5, 2014 1:09 pm ET

    The Yankees tried hard to get Jeff Samardzija in their pinstripes. (USATSI) The Yankees tried hard to get Jeff Samardzija in their pinstripes. (USATSI)

    MORE: A’s get Samardzija and Hammel | A’s push all their chips | Doolittle on trade

    The Yankees, in need of a frontline starting pitcher with CC Sabathia out for the year, made a decent play for Cubs righthander Jeff Samardzija before he went to the A’s in a six-player blockbuster, according to source familiar with the talks.

    The Yankees thought they made a good enough bid only to finish second, sources said.

    Losing out was a disappointment for the Yankees, who figure to have little hope of prying Rays star David Price from the division rival. The Yankees would surely look at Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels if they were to become available, but even the Yankees have a budget, and they liked Samardzija’s contract situation better. Samardzija’s salary in 2014 will be $5.345 million and he’s eligible for arbitration in 2015, after which he’s a free agent. Some next-tier possibilities might include John Danks, Jorge De La Rosa, Ian Kennedy and maybe Wade Miley.

    The Yankees’ system is much improved but they didn’t have the elite prospect to match shortstop Addison Russell, who became the centerpiece of the deal with Oakland. The Yankees’ best prospects, according to a scout, are right-handed pitcher Luis Severino (“a young Pedro”), shortstop Abiatal Avelino (young upside athlete), Aaron Judge (“poor man’s Giancarlo Stanton”), lefthanders Ian Clarkin and Manny Banuelos and rightander Rafael DePaula. They also have two catchers, Gary Sanchez and John Ryan Murphy, who was up earlier.

    The Yankees didn’t want to include set-up man extraordinaire Dellin Betances and probably not Severino, either. But they did like Samardzija very much.

  48. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    I mean I would love to have Lee or Hammels Starting. With Dellin and Drob on the back end. That would be great for the Yankees.

    But at this point in time…. for all that money and prospects…. I just think thats a dream.

  49. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    Thanks wanzies

    Yeah we disagree.

    BBB

    Pineda and his shoulder as a starter concerns me. Especially if he rushes back this year. Future….different story. For the same reasons that I think Dellin should start, so should Pineda if possible.

  50. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    Thanks Mick.

    Kind of figured that.

  51. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    “The Yankees would surely look at Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels if they were to become available,”

    Please keep losing Phils.

    :)

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Betances has expressed a desire to return to starting one day.

    He does not see himself as a failed starter, nor did he ever come close to quitting baseball, as some keep repeating here. When asked if that was so, he said an emphatic “No!” – that he just needed a break, never was even contemplating quitting, but it’s the old cognitive closure thing in play.

  53. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    I think they will do better than Shark and Hammels MTU.

  54. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    I’m disappointed nobody answered my question

    “if you had the choice of prime Pedro or prime Mariano who do you pick?”

  55. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Mick-

    You are thinking Lester.

    But that will not help us this year.

    He may not even make it to market.

  56. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    ” Gimme back my bullets ” is an amazing contribution from, Lynyd Synyrd. If I’d been there that ’77 day with the plane not starting right, I would have gone ballistic, I would have dragged all members back from taking that flight. Whether its a car, plane, whatever, you don’t roll the dice if things are misbehaving.

  57. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    MTU -

    FWIW, Heyman’s last paragraph has no basis in fact. Makes for good copy though.

    Shark was not viewed as in the same class as Price and Hamels.

    Had a good six weeks.

    Steve

  58. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    MTU

    Looking for Aaron Small. ;)

  59. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Greene will be on National TV tomorrow.

    :shock:

  60. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    ” Lynyrd ” – another typo from this northern soul.

  61. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
    Tar -

    Betances made the decision really easy for the FO. He’s not a good starter. Can’t repeat the delivery for more than 1-2 innings.

    He was not a starter long enough with the new mechanics to know that. He got about 5 starts.

    And it’s illogical, if you have good mechanics you have good mechanics. Does he get so tired after the 2nd inning that he can’t repeat? From all accounts it was usually earlier in his starts that he had command problems.

    It really seems like because the change in his mechanics roughly coincided with him becoming a reliever and his command improving, people have made a false conclusion. Correlation is not causation.

  62. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Mick-

    We do not have any Aaron Smalls.

    And they are about as common as Unicorns.

  63. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    Trying to figure when they bring up Almonte/Pirella/Refsnyder to play RF.
    Which pitcher goes down?
    Miller?
    Whitley to pen unless
    Greene fails again.

  64. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Steve-

    That is understandable.

    First off he isn’t left-handed.

    Secondly, and most importantly, he does not have the track record.

  65. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Tar……I’ve heard several different reasons as to why The Yanks stayed away from the Darvish sweepstakes. Some point to the 50 or so million dollars that Hal would have to sign to another club which gauls him like the Lux tax does here in the MLB. Laying out over 100 million dollars for a guy who never had pitched to a MLB hitter. But in reality I think a good part of the reason was the self imposed 189 mantra which silenced the club for nearly 2 seasons. I’ve always called BS on the whole ” we scouted Tanaka for 5 years ” yet they passed on the superior pitcher in Darvish. Which gets back to the whole Cano debacle. They should have extended him several years ago with a long term contract when it made sense

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    In fact, if we go by the truth rather than by the book that the Yankees have written on Betances, Betances was disappointed when they told him he was going to the pen.

    His quote was “I thought I’d begun to figure some things out as a starter,” namely, that his new mechanics were allowing him to repeat his delivery, which preceded his new role.

    To not investigate whether the tweaks would translate to starting – given that Betances has All-World stuff, including an excellent changeup – is willful stupidity.

    But then again, this is not a very bold or smart group running this team.

  67. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    MTU

    We didn’t know we had an Aaron Small when we had him.

  68. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Tar – I’ll bite. 2827 innings of Pedro is worth more than 1283 innings of mariano. 18 years of Pedro to 19 years of Mariano.

  69. J-rays July 6th, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Whens the last time a relief pitcher who couldn’t make it as a starter in the minors was traded and converted back? Ever? Just because a few fans think Betances should start doesn’t mean a hill of beans to other teams.

  70. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    What Pat said.

  71. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Mick-

    And who is your pick to be the new Aaron Small ?

    :)

  72. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    So happy for Betances man…..think where he was a year ago and now he’s an all star…..and a super deserving all star. Really cool

  73. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Aaron Small are hard to find but let me think that over MTU.

  74. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    McCarthy could be Aaron Small.

  75. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Tar…..Nobody will answer your Pedro / Mariano question because it’s crazy to compare Dellin Betances to either one of those two HOF pitchers. Not a viable debate

  76. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Everyone knows the starter is more valuable but no one really wants to pick Pedro over Mariano for anything because Pedro was a punk and Mariano is one of the most beloved Yankees ever.

  77. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I Just hope neither Dellin or Tanaka have to pitch in the actual game. Both need the rest more than ever. Especially Dellin.

  78. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Pat

    I really think the Igawa debacle, and looking at Dice K, both had at least some air time in that discussion.

    As for Cano they should have extended when they had the chance or traded him last year. Especially when I feel they had no real intention of bringing him back.

    Exiled

    I am almost embarrass to say that I didn’t even have to look at the stats, and would agree with you and pick Pedro

  79. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Mick-

    Thanks for answering but I somehow don’t think so.

    ;)

  80. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    McCarthy has a chance to be very good, if he gets a little luck and never throws a four-seamer again.

  81. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Tar-

    You are persistent.

    Like a bulldog.

    ;)

  82. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    But you should turn your focus onto finding us a #2 lefty.

    :)

  83. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Basically we need to hope McCarthy can be good Wang.

  84. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Tar…..Nobody will answer your Pedro / Mariano question because it’s crazy to compare Dellin Betances to either one of those two HOF pitchers. Not a viable debate”

    Pat M

    Come on… really? . I am not comparing Dellin to either of those guys. I am comparing Starters to Relief pitchers. And I am using two of the Greatest of all time to prove my point.

  85. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    That didn’t sound right…

  86. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Thanks for answering but I somehow don’t think so.
    ================================
    Did you think Aaron Small would be Aaron Small, MTU?
    (not trying to bait you) :)

    Aaron Smalls are hard to identify..

  87. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Steve-

    I like your optimism but I don’t think BM is anywhere near good enough to be the #2 we seek.

  88. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Pat M. says:
    July 6, 2014 at 8:09 pm
    Tar…..3rd base for now and forever. Starting at 3rd and hitting 3rd, Starlin Castro

    Agreed…..he may never actually do it but as I’ve said before he reminds me a lot of a young cano offensively from the right side…..he’s got that sort of ability and I think the structure the yanks can provide could help him get closer to his potential. Id love to get him……he’s has little to no player leadership with the cubs….meaning he hasn’t had an older player show him how it’s done…..Beltran could be a guy like that for a young player like him

  89. J-rays July 6th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    I’d pick Pedro too. But he’s in a league of his own. So’s Mariano for that matter. Today’s SP is more valuable than relief until it’s time for relief to come in and save that game. Then relief is more valuable. I actually see them as tied. Ask the early Rays which one they’d pick after they had more blown saves than any team in the league. They both have their places as value.

  90. Madrugador July 6th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Tar-great question.
    Pedro only had 46 CG in his career, season high was 13 with most seasons much fewer so Pedro doesn’t mean much without someone else to close it out.
    Having said that, I am going to go with Pedro. The closer I will piece together from whatever I can and while I won’t get Mariano, hopefully I get enough not to waste Pedro’s efforts.

  91. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    “Betances made the decision really easy for the FO. He’s not a good starter. Can’t repeat the delivery for more than 1-2 innings.”

    I’ve said this forever…..lets be happy he is what he is now. It’s really awesome

  92. Tar July 6th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    McCarthy has a chance to be very good, if he gets a little luck and never throws a four-seamer again.”

    I wonder if you compare McCarthy’s MLB advanced stats vs Dellin’s advanced stats if you would still call Dellin “failed” and and McCarthy “very good”

    :D Ok I’m kidding.

  93. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    bbb -

    McCarthy needs to be the old McCarthy.

    His numbers from 2014 are better they have ever been, except… he threw too many straight FB early in the season, and his BABIP and HR/FB number are not good.

    So, heavy sinker, heavy sinker, CU…

    Which will lead to Wheeler at 3B. Gonna be lots of groundballs.

    Steve

  94. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    I like your optimism but I don’t think BM is anywhere near good enough to be the #2 we seek.
    =========================================
    MTU,
    Then maybe we need to get our Colon checked? ;)

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Come on… really? . I am not comparing Dellin to either of those guys. I am comparing Starters to Relief pitchers.
    ///

    That was clear :)

  96. exiledintampa July 6th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    I think McCarthy’s upside is second half Andy #3 starter. He’s gonna live and die with the infield defense.

  97. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    No Mick.

    But McCarthy has a long track record by which to judge.

    He has been passed around more times than a handbag at a ladies fashion show.

    If he is better than a 4/5 I’ll be shocked.

    Is he better than Vidal ?

    Sure.

    Much better ?

    Doubtful IMO.

    Would love to be wrong again.

    I’m pretty good at that.

    :)

  98. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Mike -

    McCarthy would be a stretch at 2, but he’d be an advantage at 4/5.

    Steve

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Except none of you have really seen Betances start much…. minor inconvenience to your final tally that he can’t :roll:

  100. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Mick-

    :)

  101. bbb51 July 6th, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Addison Russell or Rob Refsnyder, pick one right now. :)

  102. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Steve-

    What we really lack is a 2.

    But yes he helps some.

    Just not nearly enough.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    I do wish, in a parallel world, that Betances goes to the Rays in a package for Price. Just to watch how he is immediately set upon a course to get stretched out for starting, with nary a glance to the back-end of a game.

  104. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Mcarthy has a lot more talent than Aaron small……he was a good pitcher 2 years ago and if you look at his FIP this year it suggests he’s had some bad luck.

    Pedro was more valuable than Mariano but it’s kinda a irrelevant argument because it really has nothing to do with Betances

  105. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I’ll take Refs because I can’t stand the name “Addison”.

    What’s his nickname “Add”.

    If JG had him he’d be “Addy”.

    :(

  106. mick July 6th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I’m sure Pedro would have liked Mo closing for him Game 7 2003.

  107. wanzies222 July 6th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Mike -

    Use the clutch…you’re grinding the gears. No one ever said McC was brought in to be a 2.

    He’s replacing a 5.

    No more than that is expected. Whatever else he does, win-win.

    Steve

  108. MTU July 6th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Vaya aqui para El Nuevo Hilo amigos ———–>

  109. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    ” Simple kind of man ” is also another great Lynyrd Skynrd song. Sorry, I’m all out of Dave Stieb stories at the moment.

  110. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    bbb51 says:
    July 6, 2014 at 8:53 pm
    Addison Russell or Rob Refsnyder, pick one right now.

    Russell for sure because he’s a SS

  111. blake July 6th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Love the Mcarthy trade…..it could be a steal. If rather have him than Nuno for sure

  112. mick July 6th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    for those who don’t understand spanish——NEXT——>>>>>>>

  113. Pat M. July 6th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Tar…..I see your point, my mistake. Pruff, I guess you’re always invited to toss in your 2 pesos.

  114. jmills July 6th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Pat M, I hope Prufrock never goes away.

  115. PRDENTIST July 6th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    I wouldn’t mess with Betances now, but in the off season, have him start and see where he ends up. Remember Mo was a “failed” starter. I watched him begin as a starter, it was not very pretty.

  116. PRDENTIST July 6th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    By the way, Joba still wants to start. I don’t think that the tigers are gonna let him.

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