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Random thoughts on the way to Cleveland

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few quick thoughts on my way out of Minnesota…

Brandon McCarthy• Is Brandon McCarthy the answer to the Yankees rotation problems? He certainly doesn’t look like a No. 2 to pair with Masahiro Tanaka, but I still think he has a pretty good chance to be a better back-of-the-rotation starter than Vidal Nuno. His 5.01 ERA is ugly, but two of his three wins came in his past two starts — when his numbers have actually been pretty good — plus his walk rate is terrific, his strikeout rate is the highest of his career, and his 2.89 xFIP suggests he’s been better than the ERA indicates. McCarthy is also a fairly reliable groundball pitcher, and while the Yankees infield defense is spotty at best, we’ve also seen how dangerous it can be to allow a bunch of fly balls at Yankee Stadium. Nuno struggled with that very thing, and that’s part of why he’d been so unreliable. Even with the shaky infield and the rangy outfield, I’d still prefer singles on the ground over home runs in the seats.

• Speaking of McCarthy: “I feel like I’m in a good place now,” he told Nick Piecoro at The Arizona Republic, referring to how he’s been throwing not the place he’s been traded. “We’ve kind of changed up the way I’m attacking recently and there are some positives we’re starting to see. I still feel like I’ve thrown the ball well this year, but I feel like now I have a better strategy in line to help set that up. Hopefully that’s something I can carry with me and I can take that with me the second half of the season.”

David Robertson• Maybe it’s not worth getting all worked up about Dave Robertson not making the All-Star team, but it’s certainly one more sign of just how far he’s flown under the radar while doing a terrific job replacing the greatest closer of all time. In spring training, it seemed Robertson’s move to the ninth inning would be an storyline throughout the season, but the fact he’s handled it with far more dominance than disappointment has made him kind of an afterthought. He’s the closer, and he’s expected to get the job done. I still think he should be an all-star, though. Third-most saves in the American League with the highest strikeout rate in the majors.

• These past few games were fun if only to watch Zelous Wheeler make his big league debut. That guy smiles all the time and seems like a genuinely happy guy. He’s fun to be around. Apparently, when he hit that home run in his first game, the Triple-A team had just finished its own game and the whole group watched Wheeler go deep from their clubhouse. Heard it was quite the eruption of players genuinely happy for their former teammate.

• The Yankees are going to make a move today to put Shane Greene on the active roster. Jim Miller would seem like the obvious choice to go, then Bruce Billings will probably head back to Triple-A once the Yankees feel that their bullpen is rested enough to not need an extra long man. Shuffling the pitching staff a little bit is sort of a short-term thing — unless Greene sticks around and lets Chase Whitley slide into the bullpen — but the more interesting move is going to come when the Yankees go back to 12 pitchers and add a position player. My guess would be that Zoilo Almonte gets the call-up, plays against righties and Ichiro Suzuki gets his at-bats against lefties (his reverse splits work well for that). Have to think Jose Pirela and Scott Sizemore are candidates as well, though (presumably Zelous Wheeler would get time in the outfield if Sizemore were the choice).

Shane Greene• As for Greene himself, just a few weeks ago it seemed that he was pitching his way farther and farther from the big leagues, and now he’s about to be activated so that he can make his first big league start. Says a lot about the Yankees rotation depth at this point. Not that I dislike Greene — he had kind of a weird start to the year, but his stuff is pretty good and he seems to have his head on straight — but there really isn’t a Triple-A starter who’s been pushing for a call-up for weeks. Greene had a couple of good starts, the Yankees needed a starter, and boom, it’s a big league opportunity.

• Now that Alfonso Soriano has been designated for assignment, I wonder who’s job is most at risk on the Yankees roster (back end of the bullpen guys don’t count). Just based on Twitter, email and blog comments, it seems that I’m not nearly as down on Kelly Johnson as several others. I still think he could be a really helpful player, but that’s just me. Might be a matter of who’s available as a replacement. Doesn’t seem like Rob Refsnyder is on the verge of a call-up now, but I wonder if that might change in August. I also wonder how long the Yankees will stick with Ichiro Suzuki as a regular. He’s been very good as a fourth outfielder type — he can play all three outfield spots, he gets enough singles to get on base a decent amount, and he can still run a little bit — but he’s kind of limited as a lineup regular.

• One week to the All-Star break and the Yankees are one game over .500. That’s not good, but it’s remarkably good enough to keep them in the playoff picture. The American League East is a mess, and the Yankees have somehow not been a complete disaster despite losing 60 percent of their rotation and getting less-than-expected production out of Soriano, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran. Trade deadline is more than three weeks away. Going to be interesting to see how the Yankees play the rest of this month, and how the front office responds to that.

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120 Responses to “Random thoughts on the way to Cleveland”

  1. Barry July 7th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Chad,
    You are far too respectful of blog comments. Otherwise, you are a fine host, and Thank you for the good company.

  2. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Lee’s contract:

    11:$11M, 12:$21.5M, 13:$25M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$27.5M club option ($12.5M buyout)
    option becomes guaranteed if Lee 1) is not on the disabled list at end of 2015 season with injury to left elbow or left shoulder, and 2) has 200 IP in 2015 or 400 IP in 2014-15
    limited no-trade protection (may block trades to 21 clubs each season)
    award bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, All-Star, LCS MVP; $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M for Cy Young ($75,000 for 2nd in vote, $50,000 for 3rd)

  3. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Hopefully McCarthy will get a lot of help to guide him thru the Indians lineup.

    Analysis of Nuno-McCarthy trade

    http://www.azsnakepit.com/2014.....amondbacks

  4. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Lee is like a really, really expensive depth move, IMO. You think about him as a #3 type. He’s better than McCarthy, IMO, and given CC’s situation I might also slot him above the big man in terms of effectiveness.

  5. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    What do you guys think McGehee is on this year…?

    Was at a Marlins game and was shocked to see McGehee batting 4th in the lineup and hitting over .300 albeit with no power. Think he spent last year in Japan. Must have found some Asian “herbal” product.

  6. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    1B Scott Sizemore: 0-2, 2 K — not sure why he was pulled from the game, though with all the recent roster moves, it wouldn’t be surprising if it was a call-up

    Any further news on Sizemore?

    Baby Bomber Recap:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/......+Blues%29

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock July 7th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Barry,

    If you find something offensive, copy and paste the comment in an email and send it to Chad. If he agrees he will delete it. He’s flying solo here and trying to manage a major sports beat at the same time.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock July 7th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    YT – Thanks for all the links you provide around here.

  9. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Yankees Prospects: Luis Severino makes Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America top 50 midseason lists

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....tus-top-50

  10. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Bleck.. I was hoping they’d call up anyone but Sizemore.

    Mad – When I looked at his number I was shocked.

    I just caught up on the Lackey stuff too, btw. Couldn’t stop laughing.

  11. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Robertson has always been underrated, even by Yankee fans, which is evidenced by so many that are eager to install Betances as the closer and quick to dismiss Robertson and let walk at the end of the season.

    That would be a HUGE mistake.

    A lot of people don’t realize Robertson has Mo-like numbers over the past several seasons. Most relievers aren’t all that difficult to replace but the elite ones are.

  12. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Pruf

    Your welcome. Just trying to share info for discussion.

    Now after posting that Severino has made the top 50 lost with an electric effortless fastball, anyone here want to include him for the well traveled and used left elbow of Cliff Lee?

    Not me!

  13. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    *list*

  14. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    With Lee’s health issues and contract, no way I give up anything close to Severino in a trade for him.

  15. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    GF-

    Totally agree on D-Rob.

  16. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    YT-

    Who says it takes Severino to get Lee ?

    Lee is mainly a salary dump.

  17. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    I’m starting to get somewhat excited about Severino (I’ve been trying not to) and it’s worrisome.

  18. ac1 July 7th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Who says it takes Severino to get Lee ?

    Lee is mainly a salary dump.

    ___

    I dont think they have to give up Severino to get Lee.
    I doubt the Phillies want players so far away from the bigs anyway.
    They may want Murphy or Sanchez and probably one of our outfield prospects that may be closer to the majors. Plus the salary.

  19. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Is it unusual for there to be this much movement in early July?

  20. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Anyone here subscribe to Baseball Prospectus?

    Who would be on the top 50 Midseason list at SS. Correa of the Astros? Baez of the Cubs?

    The reason I’m asking is if a team in need of a closer to make the playoffs and have a good chance to advance, if they have one of the best SS that is major league ready by 2015, might it not make sense to trade FA Robertson, if an extension is not required, and get him back via free agency?

    I know there are no guarantees.

  21. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    A few random thoughts from the holiday weekend:

    1. Once Addison Russell was part of the deal there was no chance the Yankees could get JS or Hammel.

    2. Terrific comment from one of the pundits after the trade was made “Moneyball isn’t about OBP or long counts, it’s about using that which is over-valued to get what is under-valued and right now what’s over-valued are prospects and what’s under-valued are players with short term deals.” The follow up was that if JS helps the A’s finally win then they don’t care what Russell becomes much like Red Sox fans, even after seeing Hanley become the player he is, probably wouldn’t undo the trade that sent him to the Marlins for Beckett and Lowell.

    3. Tulo has said he wants to be traded. I would offer them Gary Sanchez, Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances for Tulo without breaking a sweat.

    4. I like the McCarthy deal – they gave up nothing for him. My concern is that his biggest bugaboo have been bad sinkers that lead to HRs. That’s not going to be helped coming to NYS.

    5. Soriano is a fantastic guy and for that reason I’m sorry to see him go – much as the Yankees seem to be sorry to see him go. That said, he was quite possibly the most useless player on anyone’s 25 man roster this year. Couldn’t hit, couldn’t field. George King said yesterday on the radio broadcast of the game that the Yankees could wind up regretting this move because some team will sign Sori and he’ll go on one of his streaks getting regular time. He doubled down on that remark in today’s Post which only goes to prove you don’t have to actually watch the games to write about the team. The Yankees gave Soriano plenty of regular playing time and then had to stop because he was just that bad.

    6. My guess is that Sizemore will be the initial call-up after tonight’s game because Joe will keep running Ichiro out there – I think the more he plays the less effective he’ll be and hopefully we’ll see Almonte get a chance. I think the move will happen after tonight so that they can have Billings up in case Greene gets lit up early and they need someone to eat innings.

    7. Good luck to Shane Greene – best case scenario is he looks great – Whitley slides into relief to manage his innings.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock July 7th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    GF – Do you remember 2007? Some folks were
    Actually calling for Joba to replace Mo. I wasn’t posting here, but I was attending mostly every home game,’and the clamor for Joba and the taking for granted Of Rivera was palpable. Of course this is slightly different because they have to re-sign DRob, which should be automatic, unless they are foolish enough to think they should let him walk.

    I am also getting the impression, through what I’m reading, that the Yankees haven’t really shut the door on Betances resuming starting. Just speculating, but it’s the accumulation of reports that lead me to think there’s a carrot dangling there that both the Player and the organization may take a big bite out of. There may be a conditional “promise” or some such thing in place. Again, just a hunch but based on what I’m reading (admittedly somewhat between the lines). If there’s even a shadow of truth to it, Robertson would not be exiting, obviOusly. And he has been, as you noted, an elite reliever, no question.

  23. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Oh, and one random All-Star musing. The fans voted in Nelson Cruz but the players did not vote in Melky Cabrera or Ryan Braun or any other known PED user.

  24. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    To me the guys at AAA, Pirela, Refsnyder, Almonte, Roller, Garcia are who they are going to be. Probably not going to get better in the bigs although they could (see Asian herbs).

    Severino and Judge are still improving. They may be a long way off although given a lot of highly successful pitchers have started in the Majors at very young ages I hope not. I haven’t called for Cash’s head but if he trades one of these guys, I will.

  25. exiledintampa July 7th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    No one knows for sure if Sori will or will not hit elsewhere. We only know for sure he did not hit here. Whether he hits elsewhere is irrelavent.

  26. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Also a random comment I heard about the JS trade – if the Yankees had done that same deal pundits would have said they were “buying a title” but when Beane does it it’s a stroke of genius.

  27. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    exiledintampa July 7th, 2014 at 9:50 am
    No one knows for sure if Sori will or will not hit elsewhere. We only know for sure he did not hit here. Whether he hits elsewhere is irrelavent.
    —————————

    I agree – the fact of the matter is that they couldn’t keep playing a man short and Soriano had to go.

  28. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Oh, and on Sabathia – clearly I don’t root for anyone’s career to come to an end based on injury – but if Sabathia’s does end then it would be a financial boon for the Yankees to get out from under what is clearly the worst contract on their books right now.

  29. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Oh man, I love a good numbered Chip post…

    3. Tulo has said he wants to be traded. I would offer them Gary Sanchez, Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances for Tulo without breaking a sweat.

    I can’t disagree here. I am basically in love with Dellin and would try my best to keep him out of any trade… but for an elite player like Tulo? Yeah, I’d probably make that deal and not think twice. My issue with Sanchez is his bat has never been thought of as good as Montero’s, and it’s showed in his minor league performance thus far. Judge is super intriguing but too far away to keep you from making that trade, if possible.

    4. I like the McCarthy deal – they gave up nothing for him

    Agree completely. If anything, it’s back-end depth for this year and next. Which, as we can see, comes in pretty handy.

    5. George King said yesterday on the radio broadcast of the game that the Yankees could wind up regretting this move because some team will sign Sori and he’ll go on one of his streaks getting regular time. He doubled down on that remark in today’s Post which only goes to prove you don’t have to actually watch the games to write about the team.

    This type of thinking is exactly what the org needs to ignore/get away from. I said the same regarding trading Robertson if they don’t plan to make a legitimate push to retain him. You can’t make moves worried about what might come to bite you (ie: facing Robertson in the playoffs). Right now, this team isn’t a WS contender.. so make strategic decisions that help you going forward. The release of Sori is a good step. Hopefully they make a trade for a RFer or let some of the AAA guys get a shot.

    7. Good luck to Shane Greene – best case scenario is he looks great – Whitley slides into relief to manage his innings.

    Guys like Greene and Whitley are exactly the sort of arms you don’t mind sliding to the pen. Especially in Whitley’s case, of course. The reports on Pineda are somewhat encouraging, but I really don’t think he’ll stick in the rotation long.. he’ll probably end up injured or ineffective due to his lack of innings over the last 3 years. Hopefully Phelps can keep it up. He’s gotta be another guy that’d be appealing to other teams. He can be an effective #4 or #5. If Nuno could get you McCarthy, I wonder what a Phelps swap might look like..

  30. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:53 am
    Oh, and on Sabathia – clearly I don’t root for anyone’s career to come to an end based on injury – but if Sabathia’s does end then it would be a financial boon for the Yankees to get out from under what is clearly the worst contract on their books right now.

    —————-

    This seems nearly impossible. At least not any time soon. CC will have the surgery and keep trying to rehab this thing through 2015 at minimum.

    Anyone have info on the surgery and rehab process? Is it even likely he’ll be ready for ST next year? This could drag on for a while…

  31. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:57 am
    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 9:53 am
    Oh, and on Sabathia – clearly I don’t root for anyone’s career to come to an end based on injury – but if Sabathia’s does end then it would be a financial boon for the Yankees to get out from under what is clearly the worst contract on their books right now.

    —————-

    This seems nearly impossible. At least not any time soon. CC will have the surgery and keep trying to rehab this thing through 2015 at minimum.

    Anyone have info on the surgery and rehab process? Is it even likely he’ll be ready for ST next year? This could drag on for a while…
    ————————-

    I think it will depend on the report he gets from Andrews. Microfracture surgery is no joke and at CC’s age it may not be possible to come back. Grady Sizemore had it when he was 28 and missed the next 2 and a half years and he was in far better physical shape than CC. If the rehab time is similar – CC’s contract would expire before he ever threw another pitch for the Yankees.

  32. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Chip
    CC would have to retire to get out of the entire contract. The vesting option, as you know, only pertains to his left shoulder, not even the entire arm.

    I’m not sure microfracture surgery would be the right way to go now. He might not be a good candidate, because of his weight, to have a successful outcome to be a major league pitcher again.

  33. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    I am also getting the impression, through what I’m reading, that the Yankees haven’t really shut the door on Betances resuming starting.

    —————

    If he gets a full 100 IP in the majors and the rotation is still in total shambles by the end of the year with no clear FA targets, I think it becomes a sincere possibility.

    We probably aren’t getting 100 IPs from Pineda this year. I do wonder if he can’t get his IP up in 2015 if he’s not relegated to the pen.

  34. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    I think given time Whitley could be a decent starter but the innings are just catching up to him. Greene had a tough start to the season because he kept bouncing around, sitting for a week then throwing then sitting then being demoted then called up – now that he’s gotten into a routine he’s been very good.

  35. Chad Jennings July 7th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    BoJo July 6th, 2014 at 11:30 pm e

    Yes..want Chad to allow someone back on the site…his/her account was hacked and someone posted nasty comments that prompted a ban, I believe this person is innocent. Can’t say any more.

    I hate discussing this stuff, but Trisha has asked me to post about her situation in the past, so let’s at least get the details right.

    Trisha’s account on the blog was not hacked. A new screen name was created, one that mimicked the name of another poster who had regular confrontations with Trisha. This new account was used to post a derogatory comment, and that account’s IP address matched the IP address that Trisha had used to post thousands of times (an IP address never used for any screen name other than Trisha’s). As I always do when I see a dummy account like that, I banned the IP address. Trisha has posted here for a long time, so this was not a casual dismissal. We obviously discussed the situation over email, and she claimed that her IP address had been stolen and copied and that she did not post under the false name. I brought this information to the technical crew at The Journal News. They looked into it and told me to keep the IP ban in place. Trisha maintains that she had nothing to do with the second account, and I have no IP evidence of her ever before having a second account, but once my office weighs in, the decision is out of my hands. And so that it doesn’t seem that I’m completely distancing myself from the situation, I want to be clear that I did not disagree with the decision or argue against it.

  36. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Grady Sizemore had it when he was 28 and missed the next 2 and a half years and he was in far better physical shape than CC. If the rehab time is similar – CC’s contract would expire before he ever threw another pitch for the Yankees.

    ——————-

    Sure, but Grady Sizemore was still trying to play baseball. His problem was he wasn’t under contract lol. All of this rehab is going to happen on the Yankees’ dime. They’ll get some insurance money back I guess, like with Tex, but the thing the Yankees have seemed to be most concerned about is the loose cap and LT. This will only help augment those figures, but not resolve the main problem – dead money on the books.

  37. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:04 am
    Chip
    CC would have to retire to get out of the entire contract. The vesting option, as you know, only pertains to his left shoulder, not even the entire arm.

    I’m not sure microfracture surgery would be the right way to go now. He might not be a good candidate, because of his weight, to have a successful outcome to be a major league pitcher again.
    —————————————–

    Based on what I’ve read – if CC is medically retired because of the knee after this season his option for 2017 vests automatically. Also, he wouldn’t be walking away from the money. The Yankees just wouldn’t be the ones paying him – it would be through their insurance.

  38. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Shame

    I’m no expert, but based on reviewing the literature, I don’t believe the initial treatment of stem cells harvested from his bone marrow and injected into his left knee, was given enough time with light exercises in pool to give the cells enough time to regenerate new cartilage. His large frame and the shearing effects from his rehabbing on the pitching mound likely doomed that procedure.

    There is a lot of studies being done with stem cells, platelet rich plasma, that I would favor not having the microfracture surgery, essentially digging holes into your leg, to allow the stem cells to ooze out and do it’s thing.

  39. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:08 am
    Grady Sizemore had it when he was 28 and missed the next 2 and a half years and he was in far better physical shape than CC. If the rehab time is similar – CC’s contract would expire before he ever threw another pitch for the Yankees.

    ——————-

    Sure, but Grady Sizemore was still trying to play baseball. His problem was he wasn’t under contract lol. All of this rehab is going to happen on the Yankees’ dime. They’ll get some insurance money back I guess, like with Tex, but the thing the Yankees have seemed to be most concerned about is the loose cap and LT. This will only help augment those figures, but not resolve the main problem – dead money on the books.
    —————————–

    Shame,

    If CC is medically retired he doesn’t lose a dime. His option for 2017 vests. But I don’t believe (and someone can correct me if I’m wrong) that the salary of a player forced to retire due to injury counts against the Tax.

  40. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Chad = the best. You don’t owe us explanations but provide them anyway and it’s appreciated. Sorry you always have to deal with our dysfunctional little community.

  41. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    More greatness from the NY Post.

    George King declared after Whitley’s last start that David Huff was a candidate to replace him in the rotation. He declared this based on his own question to Huff “do you feel stretched out enough to start?” Despite Girardi saying that it wasn’t an option.

    Joel Sherman today suggests that the Yankees should ditch the conversion of Refsnyder to 2b and simply call him up to play RF. Yes Joel, because the Yankees are sooooo strong at 2b.

  42. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Shame,

    If CC is medically retired he doesn’t lose a dime. His option for 2017 vests. But I don’t believe (and someone can correct me if I’m wrong) that the salary of a player forced to retire due to injury counts against the Tax.

    —————-

    I understand that, but does CC strike you as a guy that’s going to retire now?

    I think he’s rehabbing/having surgery and continuing to try to come back, at minimum, for the next two years. After an unsuccessful bid in 2015, he might decide to hang it up in 2016, but I don’t think it’s anything they should be counting on. They need to move forward like it’s dead money and take anything they get in return as a bonus.

  43. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:11 am
    Shame

    I’m no expert, but based on reviewing the literature, I don’t believe the initial treatment of stem cells harvested from his bone marrow and injected into his left knee, was given enough time with light exercises in pool to give the cells enough time to regenerate new cartilage. His large frame and the shearing effects from his rehabbing on the pitching mound likely doomed that procedure.

    —————-

    You said this at the time and I remember thinking it made a lot of sense and was worried about him trying to push it…. I’m mourning CC right now. Helluva player. A real warrior and great guy in general… very sad for him.

    I’d be more sad if the Yanks let dead dollars stand in the way of fielding good teams, of course.

  44. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    There was even one study of injecting HGH into the knee to promote cartilage regeneration.

    Orthopedist deal with their patients osteoarthritic knees with lubricants like Synvisc-one or Euflexxa to ease discomfort, and are using platelet rich plasma, drawn from your arm, spun down and quickly injected thru a larger needle into the knee.

  45. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Chip

    I didn’t know this before but Rob Refsnyder played RF three years at Univ. Of Arizona and 42 games in minors in 2012.

    From this mornings earlier posting:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._soon.html

  46. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Joel Sherman today suggests that the Yankees should ditch the conversion of Refsnyder to 2b and simply call him up to play RF. Yes Joel, because the Yankees are sooooo strong at 2b.

    ————–

    I… didn’t really understand this either. I read the article and was laughing at the idea that Refs’ defense would hold him back from playing 2B with the 2014 Yankees.

    Get this kid reps at 2B and plug Pirela and/or Almonte into RF. The good part about calling up Pirela is you could try him at both spots. Hell, I’d be tempted to just try the kid at 3B. We can’t let shaky defense stop these guys… not when we’re fielding one of the worst INF defenses I’ve ever witnessed.

  47. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Anyway I have to go. I have two athletes on the OR tables ready to have their microfracture surgery!

    Joking.

    Have a great day everyone.

    No again to sore armed, aging, costly Cliff Lee, a salary dump that might prevent future acquisitions of need.

  48. Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    They might call up Sizemore for third and let super utility Wheeler play some RF.

    Until later.

  49. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 9:57 am
    This seems nearly impossible. At least not any time soon. CC will have the surgery and keep trying to rehab this thing through 2015 at minimum.
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Having witnessed hundreds of total knee replacements I can confidently say that a good 75% of these patients are overweight. There is a small percentage of relatively young people who through injuries-usually sports related- have been through a number of knee surgeries and have just worn out their knees. These people are eager to get back to their activities and many do.
    I would put CC into the overweight group especially since he has not just been walking on his knee, he’s been pounding it. IMO the human knee was not designed to carry the weights people are carrying today. I agree with Shame, CC will do whatever it takes no matter how long to rehab that knee. This early in the process, I’d guess it is 50:50 he comes back pitching and is effective.

  50. bardos July 7th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I had PRP therapy done on my knees, and I’m over 60. Brilliant results.

  51. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    bardos July 7th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I had PRP therapy done on my knees, and I’m over 60. Brilliant results.

    Always important to define results. Pain relief? Ambulatory? Down hill skiing the bumps?

  52. blake July 7th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    3. Tulo has said he wants to be traded. I would offer them Gary Sanchez, Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances for Tulo without breaking a sweat.”

    This would hurt but is do it too…..Tulo is one of the 5 best players in baseball when healthy p

  53. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    If you trade for Tulo now, where does he play, what with the SS position being taken already?

    In the off-season I could see it, but not a TD move.

    I also don’t want Betances moved.

  54. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 10:38 am
    If you trade for Tulo now, where does he play, what with the SS position being taken already?

    In the off-season I could see it, but not a TD move.

    I also don’t want Betances moved.
    ———————

    I would put him at 3b for the rest of the season.

  55. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Yankee Trader July 7th, 2014 at 10:21 am
    Chip

    I didn’t know this before but Rob Refsnyder played RF three years at Univ. Of Arizona and 42 games in minors in 2012.
    ——————————

    Yeah I knew he was an OF in college – but moved to 2b because they didn’t think he had the power to play OF and were very light on INF within the system. None of that has changed really – Refsnyder is getting better at 2b and they have OF options who can come up (Almonte, Pirela) so there’s no reason to stop his development at the position.

  56. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    pass on lee’s still-not-quite-right $50M left elbow.

  57. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    I would put him at 3b for the rest of the season.

    ————

    Yep. He’d get to play next to his childhood hero for half a year and take over his spot next year.

    Could always try him at 2B as well, but Tulo has pop.

  58. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:14 am
    Shame,

    If CC is medically retired he doesn’t lose a dime. His option for 2017 vests. But I don’t believe (and someone can correct me if I’m wrong) that the salary of a player forced to retire due to injury counts against the Tax.

    —————-

    I understand that, but does CC strike you as a guy that’s going to retire now?

    I think he’s rehabbing/having surgery and continuing to try to come back, at minimum, for the next two years. After an unsuccessful bid in 2015, he might decide to hang it up in 2016, but I don’t think it’s anything they should be counting on. They need to move forward like it’s dead money and take anything they get in return as a bonus.
    ————————-

    Like I said, a lot of it won’t be known until he talks to Andrews. My best guess – if Andrews tells him microfracture surgery ends his career he will use this season and winter to do whatever else he can to fix the problem before going down that road – so in that sense you’re right – they won’t recoup anything now. But I think they have to operate as if CC is never coming back and move ahead with the assumption that they can petition after the fact to have some of his salary recouped via insurance. Though honestly I’m not sure how that would work.

  59. blake July 7th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    If you trade for Tulo now, where does he play, what with the SS position being taken already?”

    Well 1) this is a problem you worry about when it happens and isn’t one you hold up a deal for……let Tulo play 3b for 3 months if you have to
    2) I think it’s a deal that would have to happen in the offseason anyway…..the Rockies aren’t gonna sell their biggest fan draw in the middle of the season. They have to sell tickets. They’d need the offseason to sorta cushion the blow and also explain why they are doing it

  60. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Chip,

    Has he ever played 3B? Is this something he would be okay with (knowing it was for half a season)?

    ***

    I would rather they keep Refsnyder at 2nd, and that he makes improvements there. Right now there are other alternatives for the OF, and besides, if they all up Refsnyder he won’t play everyday and I think you want a guy with that much promise to be playing.

    ***

    Also, I wouldn’t take it for granted that Tulo would want to go to NY – they aren’t they only team with yearly playoff chances any longer.

  61. bardos July 7th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Madrugador— pain relief definitely.

  62. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Three Trades:

    Colorado gets: Judge, Sanchez, Betances
    Yankees get: Tulo

    Phillies get: Tyler Austin
    Yankees get: Cliff Lee

    Marlins get: Murphy, Severino, Andujar, Mason Williams, Banuelos
    Yankees get: Stanton

  63. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Also, how is Tulo’s health? Is he an injury concern going forward? I seem to recall that he has a tough time staying on the field for a full season.

    I understand there are no perfect players, no perfect solutions, no perfect deals, no perfect anything.

  64. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    blake July 7th, 2014 at 10:48 am
    If you trade for Tulo now, where does he play, what with the SS position being taken already?”

    Well 1) this is a problem you worry about when it happens and isn’t one you hold up a deal for……let Tulo play 3b for 3 months if you have to
    2) I think it’s a deal that would have to happen in the offseason anyway…..the Rockies aren’t gonna sell their biggest fan draw in the middle of the season. They have to sell tickets. They’d need the offseason to sorta cushion the blow and also explain why they are doing it
    —————————–

    Correct on both counts.

    And I also make sure I’m checking in with the Cubs on Starlin Castro. Everything I’m reading says that Theo would be fine with Baez and Russell both playing different spots so that they can keep Castro at SS but if you offered them Murphy and Betances for Starlin that would be hard for Theo to turn down.

  65. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    “Marlins get: Murphy, Severino, Andujar, Mason Williams, Banuelos
    Yankees get: Stanton”
    ————————————————————-
    click…. hullo….huloo…?

  66. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Tulo is one if the 5 best players in baseball
    When he is healthy.
    And he turns 30 this year.
    Under contract through 2021 and undervalued at his present production.
    I am still going to pass on that one.

    Getting harder and harder to work the night shift. Maybe later. A good day to all.

  67. Madrugador July 7th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Bardos
    Can’t argue with that result. It is a good one for you but CC needs to be able to finction at the highest level. Pain relief will not be a suffcient result for him.

  68. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    I just think about Johan Santana still trying to play baseball… we talk about these guys being millionaires already and stuff, but they’ve done this for their entire lives. They can’t just let go. I hope we recoup some real dollars for him, but hope Chip is right and the Yanks move on without considering him at all.

    It’s just hard to believe they’d have that kind of foresight, given we were just hearing Kay talk about CC like he’d be similar to a deadline acquisition just two weeks ago.

    This really is a huge blow to the organization. Even I thought CC would be at least a back-end arm going forward. A pen arm in the very worst case scenario. But once the stem cell injections to the knee were required…. it was looking rather bleak.

  69. emac2 July 7th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Greene has been pushing for a call up. He’s been pretty good the last 1/2 dozen starts.

    I would send Whitley to AAA and let him rest a bit while staying stretched out. When he regains the needed control he can come back.

    I can’t see any hope for Mccarthy short of turning him into a reliever. He’s been consistently bad unless he is playing a bad team in a big park. I’m good giving him a shot as a starter but would be surprised if it works.

    I would promote Greene, Refsnyder, Garcia and Solarte. I would cut or trade Johnson and send Billings, Miller and Huff down.

    Most important, I would stop playing anyone more than 5 days a week. peds are gone for the most part and nothing is more glaring to me than the lack of production from guys who play every day vs guys that get plenty of rest. Adjusting scouting, player development and management style to a ped “free” environment is separating good front offices from bad.

  70. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    And I also make sure I’m checking in with the Cubs on Starlin Castro. Everything I’m reading says that Theo would be fine with Baez and Russell both playing different spots so that they can keep Castro at SS but if you offered them Murphy and Betances for Starlin that would be hard for Theo to turn down.

    ——————

    Castro is a really attractive target… but didn’t they just turn us down for JS and Hammels because we wouldn’t include Betances? Wasn’t he the piece Cash balked on? In that trade, I don’t blame him. Castro is a bit of a different story, though. I’d still try to keep Dellin, more than any other player, out of a deal. But Castro is 24 and controlled for another 6 years on a nice deal and plays a position of need well.

    I’d feel real bad about doing that… but I’d probably pull the trigger if Theo would. This all assumes they still see Dellin as a pen arm going forward though. If there’s consideration being given to making him a starter within the organization, it might change my mind on how I feel about it.

  71. emac2 July 7th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    The problem with Castro is Jeter playing every day and the fact that they will not sit him down. I don’t know that we should give up current value for future value when more options will be available during the off season.

  72. exiledintampa July 7th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Castro would be a get. But remember he leads MLB SS in errors with 33. He’s not as good with the glove as you think. He looks like Nunez at times.

  73. emac2 July 7th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    If we want Tulo, Stanton or Price we’re going to be looking at trading a package more like this

    Gardner
    Betances
    Sanchez
    Refsnyder
    Judge &
    Severino

    We can probably get a vet with a big contract thrown in.

  74. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Castro’s glove work has been an issue… it’s actually why I was wondering out loud about their plans for Betances, because for me that would change how I approach the deal Chip presented.

  75. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Tulu is probably a dream, but it sure is a nice one. I have no doubt he would play 3B unitl the end of the year, and od so happily next to Jeter. No one is off the table for him in my opinion.

  76. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    The Rangers are really sinking…. I hope they start selling. That could benefit us a lot.

  77. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Manny has very little value now as he has been bombed the last two times out in AA, and Law reports his stuff is dimisnished. My observation of him on milbtv is that he is not dominating the minor league guys at all.

    As for a trade for Stanton, good luck. Never, no how, no way. Many teams could and wold outbid us if they put him on the market.

  78. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Shame -

    I like Betances a lot too – but the truth is we don’t know what he is. If he’s a closer then absolutely I deal him for Castro, if he’s a starter I would still probably do it but it would require a little more thought.

    The bottom line is that Castro is 24 and seems to be getting better as he approaches his prime years.

  79. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Shame,

    The Rangers will sell players who won’t be around next year. They are not going to sell off their immediate future as they believe they can win next year without the rash of injuries. That is pretty clear from all statements I have read in the Dallas paper.

  80. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:22 am
    The Rangers are really sinking…. I hope they start selling. That could benefit us a lot.
    ————————-

    They have too much invested in the future (Choo, Darvish, Prince) to sell off and start a rebuild.

  81. pkyankfan69 July 7th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    As for a trade for Stanton, good luck. Never, no how, no way. Many teams could and wold outbid us if they put him on the market.
    ———
    Unfortunately you’re right… Tulo is very unlikely…. Stanton ain’t happening… Even with the use of Hal’s hotels as trade chips

  82. blake July 7th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    I think the cubs are gonna trade an infielder at some point…..who I don’t know but Castro makes the most money and is the oldest so he’s the most likely. They have 4 infielders for 3 spots

  83. nicholas July 7th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    I’m glad Chad addressed this REF issues, he’s not coming nor should he. 9 out of 10 people never heard of REF till what a few weeks ago. Just cause he can hit in a poor AAA division doesn’t mean he’s gonna come up and hit. Scouts have said he’s not ready, he doesn’t have a good glove. All these delusional fans on twitter aka PinstripeAlley hash tagging #REFSYNDERFORNYY it what ever they hell it iis just comical. He is a September call up that’s it

  84. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    At present, the Yanks aren’t the least bit interested in any SS who may or may not be on the market. In fact, much to the chagrin of many folks here, I don’t think they have any interest in any infielders whatsoever. The Yanks like their infield. Probably have all year. Tex, Roberts and Jeter are just fine, in their view, and at 3b there’s a bunch of internal options.

    No right now, the Yanks are totally focused on pitching. Mostly starting pitching, but maybe the bullpen as well. They should be real worried about the bullpen. Seems like me and Axisa over at RAB are the only ones publically saying what mess the bullpen is right now. Or at least about to be as Betances and Warren continue to exhibit over-use. And there’s virtually nothing down at AAA to help. Burawa as been super inconsistent (6 runs last night) and now Ramirez may be hurt. Daley got knocked around the other day too.

    Outside of pitching, I think the Yanks may be interested on a right-handed platoon bat for the OF. But overall, the infield couldn’t be further from their minds.

  85. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    blake July 7th, 2014 at 11:31 am
    I think the cubs are gonna trade an infielder at some point…..who I don’t know but Castro makes the most money and is the oldest so he’s the most likely. They have 4 infielders for 3 spots
    ——————————

    The notion I heard was that they could move Bryant to RF, Russell to 3b and Baez to 2b. Of course I don’t expect Theo to reduce the value of one of his prospects by saying that he’s obviously got too many infielders.

    What the Cubs lack is pitching and catching. The Yankees can help them there. I mean, even more than Castro I would love to do a prospect for prospect deal where the Yankees get Russell who could be Hanley Ramirez II. Something like Severino for Russell.

  86. nicholas July 7th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Both Colorado and Miami have said they’re not trading these guys…and they say it every year. There is no bat out there for trade that will make a big splash, yanks can’t pull off the blockbuster trade. Look for 1-2 mor McCarthy type deals that’s it, no more no less

    ———–

    As for a trade for Stanton, good luck. Never, no how, no way. Many teams could and wold outbid us if they put him on the market.
    ———
    Unfortunately you’re right… Tulo is very unlikely…. Stanton ain’t happening… Even with the use of Hal’s hotels as trade chips

  87. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    sandy alderson is trying really hard to make sure that collins gets the boot and not him. his 90 wins comment put the heat on the manager and his recent “we should be better given our run differential” overlooks that his failure to build a bullpen (again) is the main reason for that contradiction.

    pretty sad really.

  88. nicholas July 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Jon Heyman said the other day on Joe & Evan that the Yankees would be willing to trade Severino

  89. blake July 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Worrying about Tulo would play is like someone offering you a million dollar yacht and saying no because you don’t have anywhere to put it …..you figure that part out

  90. nicholas July 7th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Ys Guy-
    Alderson said 90 wins, he meant 45 this year, 45 next year

  91. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    colorado is a disaster and they have to break it down and start rebuilding.

    miami is on the recovery from a rebuild an has a really good team moving forward built around stanton, who’s not a F/A for another 3 seasons. if not for fernadez’s TJS, they’d be competing this year.

    very different situations.

  92. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    blake July 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am
    Worrying about Tulo would play is like someone offering you a million dollar yacht and saying no because you don’t have anywhere to put it …..you figure that part out
    ————————–
    Right – it’s almost as big a concern to me as wondering if he’ll be willing to change his uniform number.

  93. nicholas July 7th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    I read just the other day, Colorado is not trading Tulo, front office says it’s every year. I don’t think they ever move

  94. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    I didn’t mean sell like totally rebuild… I mean: give me Beltre.

  95. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    tulo is young enough that the rox can rebuild around him.

    thats what the marlins did with stanton.

    and i expect the phillies to do with hamels.

    you have to sell tickets while you rebuild.

  96. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Severino. 20 years old. Smallish frame. Undeveloped mechanics.

    How would you measure his injury risk?

    That’s the problem with his trade value. Now maybe that’s a reason to sell now. Before he gets hurt. But given the injury risk, I’m not sure he’s worth all that much right now. Even with the recent pub.

  97. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    They were willing to swap Stanton for some top prospects the Astros had… I think there are very few guys in the league that teams won’t listen on at all. For the right deal, everyone will listen.

  98. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    How would you measure his injury risk?

    —————

    Any pitcher under 25 carries more of an injury risk. Severino might be the type of guy you can trade for a good INF prospect. It depends a lot on organizational needs. Some orgs, like the Cards or Rays, would trust their system to nurture arms like that.

  99. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    I’m sorry but I don’t take the yacht without knowing if I can even get much less afford the place to put it and the upkeep once it’s mine.

  100. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 11:51 am
    I’m sorry but I don’t take the yacht without knowing if I can even get much less afford the place to put it and the upkeep once it’s mine.
    —————————-

    a) you get what you pay for. If you want a player who can be a cornerstone of the franchise then you can’t expect to get him for minor league filler.

    b) clearly you have the conversation with Tulo before the trade is made and let him know that if this goes through he will be playing 3b for two months much like Ichiro and Alex were informed that they would be playing LF and 3b for the Yankees before they were acquired.

  101. emac2 July 7th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    The idea that any players can’t be had in trade is short sighted.

    You might have to overpay but everything has a price.

    The Yankees system is also far better than people recognize and unless a lot of guys get traded or promoted we’ll be top 10 next year and top 5 the following.

    Refsnyder might not be ready to play really good defense at 2nd but saying he isn’t getting promoted seems to completely ignore the fact that he isn’t bumping Cano from the lineup. He’s better than what we have at 2nd or RF in the majors right now and there isn’t anything he can learn in AAA that he can’t learn in the majors.

    I think people forget the purpose of the minor leagues sometimes. it’s about training MLB replacements until they are a better option than the current starter and won’t hurt further development with a promotion. There are no degrees, time limits or final exams requiring plus defense.

    The idea that a prospect needs to be popular to be ready is pretty funny.

  102. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I don’t expect to get a player like Tulo for minor league filler. I actually don’t expect they’ll get him at all, but that’s beside the point.

    I still have reservations about his health and ability to play a full season, though, but if they Yankees can get him, at least they still have Ryan to back him up next season if he misses time.

    The only player in your list I wouldn’t part with is Betances.

  103. AAA July 7th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    11:$11M, 12:$21.5M, 13:$25M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$27.5M club option ($12.5M buyout)
    option becomes guaranteed if Lee 1) is not on the disabled list at end of 2015 season with injury to left elbow or left shoulder, and 2) has 200 IP in 2015 or 400 IP in 2014-15

    ================================

    Don’t think Lee approves a trade without that option year being picked up immediately. That’s what the NTC is all about.

  104. Hankflorida July 7th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    “Necessity is the mother of invention,” and if the Yankees do not get a second dominant starter, they are not climbing the ladder. I know all about the Joba story, but I can lean on my Don Larsen story. Betances should start if Cashman cannot land another pitcher to compliment Tanaka, and with six table setters and three power bats, you have to go all out with pitching; with the starting staff following Tanaka, we are asking the offense to do the impossible and outslug their opponents especially when they play one base at a time.

  105. RayVT July 7th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    To say the Yankees are in a dilemma is an understatement. The 2014 version of the Yankees is a project gone awry and a search for band aids. It seems that the main cause of this dilemma was the 2014 Budget thingy that wasn’t. I call that being half in!!!

    Nova, CC & Pineda getting hurt is only a 33% surprise as Nova was thought to be healthy. The infield being a shambles of course is no surprise. So what should the Yankees do?

    I think they have 3 options but will only entertain one of them.
    (1.) Stand pat! (Not likely.)
    (2.) Trade for 1 or 2 young studs in a 3-way type deal. (Not likely.)
    (3.) Buy Contracts. (Very Likely.)

    As some pointed out with Philly earlier this is the most likely success path for 2014 & securing the prospects too. This seems like the only way to get better quickly.
    SP – Cliff Lee (Phils); John Danks (White Sox); Mat Latos (Reds);
    DH/1B – Ryan Howard (Phils); Adam Dunn (White Sox);
    2B/SS – Chase Utley (Phils); Elvis Andrus (Tex); Brandon Phillips (Reds);
    3B – Adrian Beltre (Tex);
    OF/DH – Josh Hamilton (Angels); Alex Rios (Tex); Carlos Gonzalez (Col);

    What I think the Yankees will do is to try to swing a deal with the Phillies for Cliff Lee, Ryan Howard & Chase Utley. This would solve a few issues at 2B, SP & another big bat!

  106. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    @YanksMagazine Ken Derry details NYC native Dellin Betances’ long journey to All-Stardom in this month’s issue of Yankees Magazine.

  107. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Honestly, when I think back on what the Rays got for Shields, the Rockies could probably get an entire organization for Tulo. We probably don’t have the pieces but then again, there probably aren’t a ton of teams that could be trade partners for Tulo either.

  108. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    They could just be targeting Hardy and might surprise us all by trading for Kemp or Stanton lol.

    C’mon people… dream with me…

  109. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    I wonder if the Tigers could be in on Price… if I’m them, I’d see if I can swing it and worry about extending him and letting Scherzer walk.

    The Angels and M’s are the other two teams that could make a real push for him. I dunno about anyone else though… I’m not really familiar with enough NL teams.

  110. blake July 7th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    I’m sorry but I don’t take the yacht without knowing if I can even get much less afford the place to put it and the upkeep once it’s mine.”

    dude you could turn around and sell it if you can’t afford the upkeep…..you take the yacht either way. You take Tulo if you can get him and worry about the rest later.

  111. Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Blake,

    Worrying about the rest later, isn’t that why the Yankees are in a bit of a bind now? At least in a few of their current circumstances?

  112. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....ty-105810/

    —-

    A good article by Axisa over at RAB regarding Greene and the current state of flux and opportunity of the Yanks’ pitching staff. It alludes to a point I introduced yesterday. How the McCarthy trade and tonight’s Greene start could lead to a three part upgrade: two rotation spots and the bullpen.

    Tonight is actually a pretty big game for the Yanks. Much bigger than the usual Monday night game in Cleveland.

  113. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    kemp definitely played better in june after being pretty terrible the first 2 months. but i see a diminished player who’s speed and OF range is not near what it was and likely never will be.

    not sure what i’d pay for him but i dont see him as the top 5 player he once was.

    i also don’t see the dodgers trading him at the TD and leaving LF to crawford. they are in win now mode and not likely to let kemp go till the offseason if then.

  114. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya July 7th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
    Blake,

    Worrying about the rest later, isn’t that why the Yankees are in a bit of a bind now? At least in a few of their current circumstances?

    ————–

    I think they’re in a bind because they weren’t really worried about anything… except their LT.

  115. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    at least we miss kluber in cleve. that guy is good.

  116. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    “Honestly, when I think back on what the Rays got for Shields, the Rockies could probably get an entire organization for Tulo. We probably don’t have the pieces but then again, there probably aren’t a ton of teams that could be trade partners for Tulo either.”

    ——

    I think it’s different. It’s actually similar to the Hamels situation. Steve broke this down the other day. I think both players are owed about $100MM. The universe of teams interested in that type of obligation is actually very small. That cuts down quite a bit on the competition. However, like any other market, you only need two motivated buyers to really drive up the price.

  117. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    How the McCarthy trade and tonight’s Greene start could lead to a three part upgrade: two rotation spots and the bullpen.

    —————

    Greene won’t be a huge upgrade on anything. I know Whitley is the one with BP experience, but Greene’s stuff might actually play better there.

  118. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    I think it’s different. It’s actually similar to the Hamels situation. Steve broke this down the other day. I think both players are owed about $100MM. The universe of teams interested in that type of obligation is actually very small. That cuts down quite a bit on the competition. However, like any other market, you only need two motivated buyers to really drive up the price.

    —————

    Very true, which is why I noted it would still be a limited market. That being said, every team started getting new $20+ million revenues beginning this year because of MLB’s new FOX deal. Some orgs have maybe blown their load already (like Texas) with those funds but others could just be waiting for the right opportunity to dip into previously unavailable dollars.

  119. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    :arrow:

  120. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    i dont want to make too big a thing of what i saw when the dodgers visited the mets in mid may, but kemp was horrible in CF with no range whatsoever. (it did lead to one of the best catches i’ve ever seen by puig, though). he was so bad in fact, that mattingly benched him after the series and moved him to LF.

    he’s been much better with the bat lately, but has not returned to CF i believe.

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