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Pitching matchups in Cleveland

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Shane Greene

After pitching well in his past two Triple-A outings, Shane Greene will make his first big league start in tonight’s series opener. It will be his second major-league appearance, having faced five batters and walked three of them back in April. At his best, though, Greene throws strikes and generates ground balls. The Yankees were encouraged — and added him to the 40-man — when he significantly cut down on his walks last season in High-A and Double-A.

Tonight
RHP Shane Greene (5-2, 4.61 in Triple-A)
vs.
RHP Justin Masterson (4-5, 5.16)
7:10 p.m., YES Network and ESPN

Tuesday
RHP Masahiro Tanaka (12-3, 2.27)
vs.
RHP Trevor Bauer (2-4, 4.42)
7:05 p.m., YES Network

Wednesday
RHP Brandon McCarthy (3-10, 5.01 with Arizona)
vs.
RHP Josh Tomlin (5-6, 4.11)
7:05 p.m., YES Network

Thursday
TBA
vs.
LHP TJ House (1-2, 4.24)
7:05 p.m., YES Network

Associated Press photo

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198 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Cleveland”

  1. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Re-post:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/…..ty-105810/

    —-

    A good article by Axisa over at RAB regarding Greene and the current state of flux and opportunity of the Yanks’ pitching staff. It alludes to a point I introduced yesterday. How the McCarthy trade and tonight’s Greene start could lead to a three part upgrade: two rotation spots and the bullpen.

    Tonight is actually a pretty big game for the Yanks. Much bigger than the usual Monday night game in Cleveland.

  2. Tyler July 7th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Haven’t seen much of Masterson this year but that 5.16 ERA is pretty surprising. He can have great stuff.

  3. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
    I think it’s different. It’s actually similar to the Hamels situation. Steve broke this down the other day. I think both players are owed about $100MM. The universe of teams interested in that type of obligation is actually very small. That cuts down quite a bit on the competition. However, like any other market, you only need two motivated buyers to really drive up the price.

    —————

    Very true, which is why I noted it would still be a limited market. That being said, every team started getting new $20+ million revenues beginning this year because of MLB’s new FOX deal. Some orgs have maybe blown their load already (like Texas) with those funds but others could just be waiting for the right opportunity to dip into previously unavailable dollars.

  4. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    as i just said on the last thread, im glad we’re missing kluber.

  5. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    dan – Greene’s stuff might actually play better in the pen than Whitley’s, even though he’s the guy with experience in that role.

    He’s 25 and hasn’t impressed at any minor league level. He’s not a guy who is going to improve the rotation much at all. But I like that he’s a hard thrower… that’s where he could be useful in the pen.

  6. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    masterson’s been very up and down. lots of 5 and 6 ER games mixed in with a few gems. he shut down the A’s for 0 runs in 7 IP his last outing. hopefully he’s due for another bad one.

  7. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    dan – Greene’s stuff might actually play better in the pen than Whitley’s, even though he’s the guy with experience in that role.
    —————-

    Shame,

    Greene has more pure talent than Whitley so whether it’s as a starter or reliever I would expect his stuff to play better than Whitley’s.

    Whitley, right now, has a greater understanding of his stuff than Greene does, but you’re talking about a huge differential in stuff.

  8. mick July 7th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Why is TBA going on Thurs?
    Isn’t it Phelps turn?

  9. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    probably hedging against needing a long reliever today.

  10. G. Love July 7th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    If anyone throws Swisher a fastball over the next 4 days they should be cut. Other than that, I’m enthused the Yankees are acknowledging what many of us have been lamenting all season.

    I do think there’s this inherent fear that every player they let go will help a competitor, but keeping dead bats and bad arms out of fear is not a way to win.

    Wheeler has already made the team a little more fun and exciting. Just a great presence.

    I differ with Chad and I’d weed out Johnson next. I think injecting more youth and less veteran experience at this point only helps when the guys being replaced are doing nothing.

    I actually think they’re keeping Johnson because the players they are thinking of replacing him with can’t cover 1b. That job falls to the backup C. Still, with the way Johnson plays 1b, I’d take Cervelli or McCann over him there.

    Not signing a legit backup 1b is hamstringing the team from making more moves I think.

  11. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    i started saying in ST that they should have worked beltran in at 1B.

  12. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    its been at least an hour since JAP last posted about why they should start betances.

    what gives?

  13. mick July 7th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    So if they don’t need a long man today (Whitley?) goes on Thursday instead of Phelps?
    Not computing…it’s Phelps-Thurs, Kuroda-Fri, no matter what.

    Greene gets Nuno’s start tonite, McCarthy gets Whitley’s start on Wed.

  14. mick July 7th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    its been at least an hour since JAP last posted about why they should start betances.
    ===============
    If there’s no pushback he just quits.

  15. blake July 7th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    “Worrying about the rest later, isn’t that why the Yankees are in a bit of a bind now? At least in a few of their current circumstances?”

    No they are in a bind because they literally went like 4 years and didn’t do anything while the offense rotted……they just pretended like everything was fine and they could just dress up anybody in pinstripes and they’d hit like a Yankee.

    They are paying for it now….

  16. RayVT July 7th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    JAP told me to tell everyone that both he & I would like to see Betances be converted to a SP!

  17. RayVT July 7th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Also, the Yanks truly miss Cano! It will be even more glaring if somehow the Mariners actually make it to the playoffs in 2014 & the Yanks don’t. That is one reason that I think the Yanks will pickup some aging expensive contracts. (C. Lee, howard & Utley) It is only money & Yanks have removed $189M albeit too late for most of us!

  18. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    yeah, lee howard and utley would be awesome and fix every problem!

    …for the phillies…

  19. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Shame,

    Greene has more pure talent than Whitley so whether it’s as a starter or reliever I would expect his stuff to play better than Whitley’s.

    Whitley, right now, has a greater understanding of his stuff than Greene does, but you’re talking about a huge differential in stuff.

    ————–

    Oh I totally agree.. but that’s why I actually think Greene is more suited for a limited role. Whitley’s had to figure things out with less natural talent. Greene might be a guy that could be a nice late inning reliever that can throw gas.

  20. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    blake July 7th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
    “Worrying about the rest later, isn’t that why the Yankees are in a bit of a bind now? At least in a few of their current circumstances?”

    No they are in a bind because they literally went like 4 years and didn’t do anything while the offense rotted……they just pretended like everything was fine and they could just dress up anybody in pinstripes and they’d hit like a Yankee.

    They are paying for it now….
    ————————–

    That’s correct.

    They’re also in this predicament because they never held anyone accountable for the terrible results they’ve had with their farm system.

  21. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    maybe we can get rollins too. and pat burell.

  22. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    Shame,

    Greene has more pure talent than Whitley so whether it’s as a starter or reliever I would expect his stuff to play better than Whitley’s.

    Whitley, right now, has a greater understanding of his stuff than Greene does, but you’re talking about a huge differential in stuff.

    ————–

    Oh I totally agree.. but that’s why I actually think Greene is more suited for a limited role. Whitley’s had to figure things out with less natural talent. Greene might be a guy that could be a nice late inning reliever that can throw gas.
    ——————————-

    Let’s see what happens. One step at a time.

  23. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Getting back to something from earlier – the thought that Moneyball dictates trading prospects for established players because right now established players are undervalued while prospects are overvalued is so true – especially among fans.

    If the Yankees went out tomorrow and traded Aaron Judge for Adrian Beltre (example only) people on this board would flip because of what Judge might someday become. But the Yankees won championships in the 90s by not worrying about what a player might become but by bringing in the player they needed to win now. If Beltre helped lead the Yankees to the World Series would that justify the deal in the minds of fans? I don’t know.

    I just know that we (myself included) get very tied up in the fortunes of players who are no where near the majors. There’s a difference between saying, “I would like to see Refsnyder play instead of Roberts” and saying “whoa, you can’t trade that guy for this guy.”

  24. PhiltheThrill July 7th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    why isn’t Phelps on the schedule?

  25. exiledintampa July 7th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I thought it was silly to propose Ryan Howard in a trade. But I had to see what he’s been up to. All I can do is ask, Seriously, How the hell does the guy have 14 homers and 51 rbi’s yet only be slugging .393 and only be ops .700? Does he not run he bases? What does that? .303 obp?

  26. Ys Guy July 7th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    howard either strikes out, walks or hits a home run.

  27. Hankflorida July 7th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    To paraphrase the Clinton years, “it’s the pitching, stupid! If Greene has a 94 mph sinker and is Nova like in getting strikes, he can fit into the rotation, but even at the beginning of the season, Nova was not at the top of the rotation. Cashman has to go all out for a dominant starter to go with Tanaka in order to be competitive now, and If he chooses to do it next year and not deplete his farm system, then we can write off this year and play our kids. Make no mistake that the handwriting is on the wall that the almost century of the Yankees representing power is now off the table and for the time being, it is pitching, pitching and pitching!

  28. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Let’s see what happens. One step at a time.

    ————–

    Well sure.. just interesting that he’s being looked at as an upgrade. His minor league numbers are worse than Betances’ at nearly every level. Harness the gas!

  29. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    PhiltheThrill July 7th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
    why isn’t Phelps on the schedule?
    _____________________________________

    Girardi wants to see if Whitley is needed out of the pen before then. If not, he may give him the start on THursday. If he does, then Phelps will start Thursday

  30. blake July 7th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    @NYDNHarper: Spoke w/Cashman about try for Samardjiza: “Theo kept calling me so he must have liked our players. I talked to him 7 times that day.”

  31. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    2 huge series coming up. Indians are one team Yanks battling in the wild card hunt, and O’s now lead the division.

  32. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    @NYDNHarper: Spoke w/Cashman about try for Samardjiza: “Theo kept calling me so he must have liked our players. I talked to him 7 times that day.”

    ________________________________________

    Heaerd Theo was inisisting on Betances in the deal and Cashman refused.

  33. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    Getting back to something from earlier – the thought that Moneyball dictates trading prospects for established players because right now established players are undervalued while prospects are overvalued is so true – especially among fans.

    —————

    I think the new Moneyball might just be a matter of finding more roster depth. The A’s have a lot of league average hitters… they have like 8 of ‘em lol, instead of the 3 that we’re fielding.

  34. Missing Cano July 7th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    jose Ramirez now injured in aaa dang hits just keep on coming

  35. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    Greene, like every other minor league starter, may end up in the bullpen if he makes it to the MLs but the Yanks have always viewed him as a starter. In his minor league career he’s been held back primarily because of his control. But last year he had a big improvement in his walk totals and his overall numbers jumped, and consequently, got on the radar of the Yanks farm people and front office, hence his invitation to camp and placement on the 40 man.

    There was a guy on this blog in the Spring who knew a lot about Greene and his signing. He said something that I think is true. Extreme ground ball pitchers like Greene don’t often do that well in the minors because infield in the minor leagues aren’t very good. The dirt and the defenders. Therefore inflated hit totals and WHIP.

    If you check his numbers, Greene doesn’t give up home runs and strikes quite a few hitters out. There’s a good chance he’ll have a successful major league career if he exhibits control. His stuff is as good as any pitcher in the system, including Severino. Assuming of course his infielders can catch ground balls.

  36. mick July 7th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    Girardi wants to see if Whitley is needed out of the pen before then. If not, he may give him the start on THursday. If he does, then Phelps will start Thursday
    ===================
    So we are going to a 6 man rotation?

  37. mick July 7th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    That TBA is to not hurt Whitley’s feelings.
    I’m sure we will see him out of the pen before Thurs, it’s where he belongs.

  38. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Sure, he can be better by exhibiting control he hasn’t had consistently in the past… but based on his game-by-game number, he looks like a guy that’s hot and cold. He can give you a good outing or a bad one just as easily. The velo and stuff is appealing however. If he has control problems, give him the Betances treatment (these debates are too paralleled not to have fun with the comparison) once you find a back end replacement for he and Whitley.

    And, sadly, we can’t offer him a much better INF up here than he’s seen in the minors with two guys up the middle that have absolutely no range.

  39. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    Getting back to something from earlier – the thought that Moneyball dictates trading prospects for established players because right now established players are undervalued while prospects are overvalued is so true – especially among fans.

    —————

    I think the new Moneyball might just be a matter of finding more roster depth. The A’s have a lot of league average hitters… they have like 8 of ‘em lol, instead of the 3 that we’re fielding.
    ——————————-

    But what the A’s don’t have is a deep farm system. They just used two of their top prospects and from what I’m reading its a far drop to number three.

  40. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 7th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    GF – Do you remember 2007? Some folks were
    Actually calling for Joba to replace Mo. I wasn’t posting here, but I was attending mostly every home game,’and the clamor for Joba and the taking for granted Of Rivera was palpable. Of course this is slightly different because they have to re-sign DRob, which should be automatic, unless they are foolish enough to think they should let him walk.

    I am also getting the impression, through what I’m reading, that the Yankees haven’t really shut the door on Betances resuming starting. Just speculating, but it’s the accumulation of reports that lead me to think there’s a carrot dangling there that both the Player and the organization may take a big bite out of. There may be a conditional “promise” or some such thing in place. Again, just a hunch but based on what I’m reading (admittedly somewhat between the lines). If there’s even a shadow of truth to it, Robertson would not be exiting, obviOusly. And he has been, as you noted, an elite reliever, no question.

    ——

    Sorry for the delayed response but I don’t recall a lot of folks arguing that Joba should replace Mo back in 2007. But I do recall many arguing that he should be Mo’s successor as the primary reason he should remain in the pen.

    Now that was before Joba’s shoulder injury in Texas and we also had no idea when Mo was going to call it quits since he was still the best closer in the game.

    My argument was that Mo showed no signs of slowing down at all and may not retire for 5 years so “grooming” his successor for that long didn’t make any sense because they needed him to be a starter with the rotation being quite mediocre.

    It’s a shame that shoulder injury happened because his career may very well have taken a different path.

    Regarding Betances, as much as I’d like to see him get another shot at the rotation, I really don’t see it happening in the Bronx. I think given his sheer dominance in his current role, I don’t think they have any intention of moving him from the pen. Ever.

    If Betances does get an opportunity to start, I’m afraid it will be with another organization.

  41. mick July 7th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Why is it that the A’s never complete the mission?

  42. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    What happened to JRam? Hope its not serious

  43. mick July 7th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    I think given his sheer dominance in his current role, I don’t think they have any intention of moving him from the pen. Ever.
    =====================
    Hopefully he will be the closer.

  44. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    @NYDNHarper: Spoke w/Cashman about try for Samardjiza: “Theo kept calling me so he must have liked our players. I talked to him 7 times that day.”

    ________________________________________

    Heaerd Theo was inisisting on Betances in the deal and Cashman refused.

    —–

    I could certainly see why Cashman wouldn’t want to give up Betances in that deal because (as Michael Kay would say) he would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    Yes, their rotation would have received a major boost but losing Betances as their “fireman” would leave a gaping hole in the pen that would negate any boost to the rotation.

  45. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    mick July 7th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    I think given his sheer dominance in his current role, I don’t think they have any intention of moving him from the pen. Ever.
    =====================
    Hopefully he will be the closer.

    —–

    Which, again, would be stupid because he’s more valuable to them in his current role than he would be as the closer.

  46. Hankflorida July 7th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    I would like Betances to stay in the pen and play Rivera’s role of 96 but desperate times call for desperate measures. I would like this team to compete to the end, and pipe dreams of Price coming to the rescue seem so far fetched that the only reality seems to be go with Betances and hope he compliments Tanaka. After watching this offense perform, who thinks that even with some tweaks that they can outslug their opponents or the pitching as is can hold the opposition down?

  47. hardwired7 July 7th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    It’s good to know Cashman and Epstein still have those open lines of communication. The Cubs will have to address that logjam of stud middle infielders eventually.

  48. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Masterson, who heavily relies on his fastball, has had a 2.5 mph decline this year. That likely accounts for his diminished success.

  49. bardos July 7th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    I don’t see why no one has thought of this before, but the smart move would be to have Tanaka pitch every game. Fire Girardi for not thinking of this. Rotation problem solved.

  50. Shame Spencer July 7th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    But what the A’s don’t have is a deep farm system. They just used two of their top prospects and from what I’m reading its a far drop to number three.

    ———————

    They’re not the sort of team that needs to stay competitive every year – they’re looking for a title now. They have roster depth and can continue to build on it (theoretically) in the same manner they’ve approach this season. Find average big league talent via trades, FAs, and IFAs. Keep them on short term deals. Keep pressing refresh.

    It’s not a bad tactic. Eventually they can trade guys like Cespedes to re-infuse the system with trade-able talent. You develop a couple of above average players and use them until they’re worth more in a trade.

  51. TheGreatHambino July 7th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    I wonder if the mets will give us dice k for nothing he’s pitched ok this year. Another splitty couldn’t hurt

  52. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Which, again, would be stupid because he’s more valuable to them in his current role than he would be as the closer.

    This is exactly right. Robertson is saved mostly only for save situations and as a result he doesn’t throw as many innings. Betances is utilized in situations where he is most needed and is used for 4-6 outs a lot of the time.

    You want your best hitters to have the most at-bats right? Why not have your best relievers pitch the most innings? The “closer” is an outdated concept

  53. pkyankfan69 July 7th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Cash is on with Big Mike @ 3

  54. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Jose Ramirez is injury-prone.

    :(

  55. mick July 7th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Which, again, would be stupid because he’s more valuable to them in his current role than he would be as the closer.
    ============================
    Lockdown closers like Mo don’t grow on trees and Betances can’t continue to be used as he is or he’ll burn out, which we see signs of already.

  56. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Lockdown closers like Mo don’t grow on trees and Betances can’t continue to be used as he is or he’ll burn out, which we see signs of already.

    What why will he burn out? What signs of this have we already seen? He’s been stellar throughout the first 3 months of the season.

  57. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Since I am out of market, if Cashman says anything interesting, would you share with us?

    Thanks.

  58. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    mick July 7th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Lockdown closers like Mo don’t grow on trees and Betances can’t continue to be used as he is or he’ll burn out, which we see signs of already.

    —–

    That’s true, elite closers don’t grow on trees.

    But they already have an elite closer and his name is Robertson. He may not have the mystique that Mo did but his numbers over the past several years are every bit as good as Mo’s during that span.

    We often hear people referencing Betances as their Mo of ’96. Well, who was the more valuable reliever in ’96 – Mo or Wetteland?

    It was Mo – by leaps and bounds – and it was because he threw more innings and often pitched when the game was on the line – like Betances does now.

    I don’t get why that’s hard to understand. Like Patrick said, you want your best reliever to face the most hitters and in the hairiest of situations. That’s why he’s most valuable to them in his current role.

  59. pkyankfan69 July 7th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    2018 Yankees

    CF – Ellsbury
    2B – Refsnyder
    LF – Harper
    RF – Stanton
    1B – Hosmer
    DH – Judge
    3B – Seager
    C- Sanchez/Murphy
    SS- Avelino

    Tanaka – Darvish – Strasburg – Severino – Manny/Clarkin

    Payroll: $335,000,000.00
    2 Legend Seats: $10,000.00
    16 Oz NYS Beer: $25.00

  60. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    The Yankees would be really stupid if they let Robertson walk. Is the new normal to let our good players go when they reach free agency?

    Cashman will probably tell is how much Theo loved our prospects, but just not enough to actually trade for them. I hope he is asked, are you seriously not trying to add to the abysmal offense?

  61. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Lockdown closers like Mo don’t grow on trees and Betances can’t continue to be used as he is or he’ll burn out, which we see signs of already.

    What why will he burn out? What signs of this have we already seen? He’s been stellar throughout the first 3 months of the season.

    —–

    Now that’s one argument where I think mick does have a fair point. I think Betances (and Warren for that matter) has been overused and really needs a break. It would be nice if the offense came out of their cocoons and carried this team for the next week so they don’t have to use Betances much.

    Betances is still good enough to dominate but he might be going through a bit of a dead arm period because his stuff and command isn’t quite as sharp as it was the previous couple of months.

  62. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Assuming CC is never going to pitch again for the Yankees the team may have no choice but to at least consider telling Betances to come to spring training prepared to compete for a starting spot.

    Figure Kuroda retires you’re looking at a rotation of:

    Tanaka
    Pineda
    Phelps
    XX
    XX

    They could re-sign McCarthy (my guess is that the next two months is an extended audition for him) and Shane Greene could be fantastic and they could sign a guy like Jon Lester, but that’s a lot of ifs so adding one more to the mix by letting Betances audition for a rotation spot isn’t a horrible idea. Especially not if he throws 100 innings this season.

    That said, I would also not be against them leaving him in the pen if that’s what they decided to do – having options is a good thing.

  63. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
    The Yankees would be really stupid if they let Robertson walk. Is the new normal to let our good players go when they reach free agency?
    ————————-

    It’s about allocation of resources.

    If you believe the Yankees have a budget and the team needs to be careful about what they spend then given how many relief options they have, is a $10M/year closer the best use of that money or would it be better spent on an INF?

  64. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    I’m w Mac.

    Keep D-Rob.

    Screw Hal’s budget.

    He’s a frickin’ Billionaire.

  65. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    “This is a bad defensive club” –Cash

    harsh but true

  66. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Cashman on Soriano, “I just couldn’t afford to wait anymore. He played his way out of everyday status and eventually off the team.”

  67. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    The Yankees would be really stupid if they let Robertson walk. Is the new normal to let our good players go when they reach free agency?

    Cashman will probably tell is how much Theo loved our prospects, but just not enough to actually trade for them. I hope he is asked, are you seriously not trying to add to the abysmal offense?

    —-

    There’s a lot of moves I haven’t liked from this FO but I actually think they will do the right thing this offseason and retain Robertson. He may be undervalued by too many fans, but I do think the FO understands how good he’s been in recent years.

    Regarding offense, I don’t think the FO is going to acquire a bat before the TD. It seems they are entirely focused on pitching – and we’ve seen how well that strategy has worked out the last couple of years.

  68. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    “We had to decide if we were going to play him everyday for the next 30 days or cut bait and we decided to cut bait” – more Cash on Soriano

  69. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Cashman on Solarte, “none of our scouting reports supported what we saw early in the year from Solarte so you wait to see if there will be a market correction and from mid-May – when we optioned him it looks like that’s what happened”

  70. pkyankfan69 July 7th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Doesn’t sound like Refsnyder is all that close to being called up… In the short term anyway it seemed like if RR got called up it would be more to play the OF than 2B… That’s what Cash made it seem like anyway.

  71. solaris July 7th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

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  72. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Roberts is here for the long haul folks – just said that if Refsnyder were called up this season it would be for the OF not INF.

  73. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Of course – that comment could just be a GM not wanting to create a stir by suggesting that Roberts is on the clock.

  74. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:07

    It’s about allocation of resources.

    If you believe the Yankees have a budget and the team needs to be careful about what they spend then given how many relief options they have, is a $10M/year closer the best use of that money or would it be better spent on an INF?

    —–

    You could look at it another way, though. The FO has been completely focused on pitching with their “pitching is the key to the kingdom” nonsense and have put a lot less focus on offense the last couple of offseasons.

    How else can you account for them essentially ignoring the infield and signing guys like Roberts and Johnson to be their everyday starters?

    I’d be willing to bet that they will continue to prioritize pitching and may believe that retaining Robertson would be money better spent than on a bat if they do indeed stick to a budget.

  75. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Roberts has been hitting well since the calendar turned to July so no reason to consider jettisoning him.

  76. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Roberts has been hitting well since the calendar turned to July so no reason to consider jettisoning him.

    6 days does not cross out 3 months of terrible performance.

  77. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:07

    It’s about allocation of resources.

    If you believe the Yankees have a budget and the team needs to be careful about what they spend then given how many relief options they have, is a $10M/year closer the best use of that money or would it be better spent on an INF?

    —–

    You could look at it another way, though. The FO has been completely focused on pitching with their “pitching is the key to the kingdom” nonsense and have put a lot less focus on offense the last couple of offseasons.

    How else can you account for them essentially ignoring the infield and signing guys like Roberts and Johnson to be their everyday starters?

    I’d be willing to bet that they will continue to prioritize pitching and may believe that retaining Robertson would be money better spent than on a bat if they do indeed stick to a budget.
    ————————–

    They can still prioritize pitching and justify letting Robertson walk.

    Just an example:
    Instead of spending $10m/year on Robertson you save that money and couple it with what they were paying Kuroda to sign a Jon Lester and move Betances, making no money, to the closer spot.

  78. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Roberts has been hitting well since the calendar turned to July so no reason to consider jettisoning him.

    6 days does not cross out 3 months of terrible performance.

    —-

    LOL….and there were a few here over the weekend who made the argument that Roberts had silenced his critics.

    Uh, no, not exactly. Sure, let’s put more stock in his production the last week than his production the previous 3 months!

  79. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Cashman, “there are prospects playing well but for an impact bat we’ll have to go outside the organization”

  80. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    6 days does not cross out 3 months of terrible performance.

    ______________________________________

    But it does give some hope going forward

  81. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    gotta give Cashman credit for his brutal honesty on the state of the team

  82. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    But it does give some hope going forward

    I certainly enjoyed his game on Friday but he’s still squarely on the hot seat as far as I’m concerned.

  83. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Brian Roberts is batting 6 tonight.

  84. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    LOL….and there were a few here over the weekend who made the argument that Roberts had silenced his critics.

    Uh, no, not exactly. Sure, let’s put more stock in his production the last week than his production the previous 3 months!
    ___________________

    LOL! and now lets release him just when he has finally started to show some life. Makes sense

  85. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Gardner
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    Ellsbury
    Tex
    McCann
    Roberts
    Ichiro
    KJ
    Cervelli

  86. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    They can still prioritize pitching and justify letting Robertson walk.

    Just an example:
    Instead of spending $10m/year on Robertson you save that money and couple it with what they were paying Kuroda to sign a Jon Lester and move Betances, making no money, to the closer spot.

    —-

    OK, but again, you’re taking arguably your most valuable reliever and putting him in a position to be less valuable.

    I know this reminds you of Mo-Wetteland, but again, I don’t think the comparison holds much water – especially when they sure as hell don’t have the supporting cast that they did then to make that transition.

  87. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    With that lineup and Shane Greene starting it will be a miracle if the Yankees win tonight.

  88. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    With that lineup and Shane Greene starting it will be a miracle if the Yankees win tonight.
    _______________________________________________

    That’s what you said when Nuno started agains the Red Sox that Friday night at Stadium. Miracles do happen sometimes

  89. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    LOL! and now lets release him just when he has finally started to show some life. Makes sense

    —–

    That’s fair, but because Roberts just isn’t very good, I don’t think this “hot streak” is going to last long.

  90. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    That’s what you said when Nuno started agains the Red Sox that Friday night at Stadium. Miracles do happen sometimes

    I can’t even remember what I said 2 weeks ago, how do you know I said that?

    And of course, “miracle” is hyperbole but you get what I’m saying. The Yankees are fielding a downright bad team tonight.

  91. Missing Cano July 7th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:28 pm
    Gardner
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    Tex
    McCann
    Roberts
    Ichiro
    KJ
    Cervelli

    no no seriously where is the real lineup (oh I forgot this 2014)

  92. Tackelberry July 7th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    Roberts was always a very good player in Baltimore. Just a shame that injuries derailed him somewhat

  93. mick July 7th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Sure a pitcher going the 7th AND 8th is going to face more potential threats than the closer but it’s impractical.
    Betances can’t go on being that guy just as Mo couldn’t when he came up.

  94. Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    “This is a bad defensive club” –Cash

    harsh but true

    Duh. I mean, at least he’s honest, but it was easily predictable.

    I think everyone but BigDan thinks it could be a problem.

  95. mick July 7th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Roberts and Johnson were not brought here for long term considerations.
    Arod will be back next year and Refsnyder is on the come.
    They might be backups next year and/or be replaced this year.
    Call them stop-gap till something better comes around which wasn’t around this year.

  96. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Betances can’t go on being that guy just as Mo couldn’t when he came up.

    Why not?

    I’m not saying the Yankees should burn out Betances but I don’t really see why he can’t pitch 80-100 innings and used in the highest leverage situations. Being the fireman suits him really well and he’s been the most valuable reliever in baseball.

  97. Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    Chip July 7th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    They can still prioritize pitching and justify letting Robertson walk.

    Just an example:
    Instead of spending $10m/year on Robertson you save that money and couple it with what they were paying Kuroda to sign a Jon Lester and move Betances, making no money, to the closer spot.

    —-

    OK, but again, you’re taking arguably your most valuable reliever and putting him in a position to be less valuable.

    I know this reminds you of Mo-Wetteland, but again, I don’t think the comparison holds much water – especially when they sure as hell don’t have the supporting cast that they did then to make that transition.
    ———————-

    Teams just aren’t prioritizing relief pitchers and designated hitters as big money spots any more.

    At DH Ortiz, Dunn and Billy Butler are really the only big money guys at that spot.
    Closers you have five making $10M/year or more: Nathan, Kimbrel, Pap, Soriano, Jim Johnson.

    If the Yankees feel that they have live arms who can fill out a pen around Betances then, proven or not, it may make sense to them to let Robertson walk and spend the money somewhere else.

  98. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Call them stop-gap till something better comes around which wasn’t around this year.

    Back to this old tune huh?

    Cano was a better option at 2B

    Drew and Peralta were better options at 3B.

  99. bigdan22 July 7th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    This is what I got from Cashman’s interview:

    –Refs is not an option for 2b. Perhaps sometime later this year in the OF but that wouldn’t be Cashman’s first choice. There is no end to the love for Roberts in this organization.

    –He doesn’t seem optimistic at all now about landing a starter after Cubs trade. No more “rock and roll” in his demeanor. He said market is real thin. He seems more inclined now to look inside if that’s believable.

    –He brought up (unprompted) Beltran’s knees, in addition to the elbow, as an injury issue. That’s why he’s getting day off today. Let’s face it, Beltran is finishing his career here as a DH.

    –Francesca must be a huge fan of Cervelli. He kept telling (not asking) Cashman “Isn’t Cervelli a starter on some teams?” Finally Cashman agreed saying he would be if he could stay healthy.

    –As far as position player help, he mentioned Almonte’s power and splits, Adonis and Perila as a “guy who could be moved around.” And Solarte.

  100. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    It is stupid to let a player walk. If Robertson is not going to be signed, trade him since they won’t have the nerve to tender him at $14M.

    I say keep our good players. He performs.

    Offense seems the furthest thing from the mind of management. Four runs per game to go along with bad defense. Nice job. That sounds like a great plan. Yet, it is acceptable.

    It seems clear the bar is getting lower and lower. We are now to the point from year to year that if everything works out, we might be in contention for the second wild card spot.

  101. MTU July 7th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Patrick-

    You’re better than me.

    I can’t remember what I said a day ago.

  102. austinmac July 7th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

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    Yes, genius, you built it. We all knew it long ago. You catch on fast.

  103. Patrick July 7th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    You’re better than me.

    I can’t remember what I said a day ago.

    What are we talking about again?

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    It sounds as if I can stop looking at MLBTR for possible deals. We are who we will be except Almonte may be called up so he can watch Ichiro play.

    Hal promised us a contender. Cashman sounds like he is waving the white flag. Hey, we almost added a good player. We finished second which is likely better than the team’s finish.

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