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Postgame notes: Keeping Greene in rotation “a topic of discussion”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 08, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Shane Greene

Shane Greene just carried a no hitter into the fifth inning of his first major-league start. He’s pitched well in Triple-A for about a month now — after making a strong first impression in spring training, then fighting to find a rhythm early in the season — and the Yankees have a rotation dotted with workload concerns, from the near career-high in innings for Chase Whitley to the desire to keep Hiroki Kuroda fresh for the last month of the season.

Doesn’t it make some sense to give Greene another start and at least consider the idea of keeping him in the rotation going forward?

“That’s obviously going to be a topic of discussion,” Joe Girardi said. “We haven’t made any decisions about what we’re doing moving forward, but we’ll figure it out here pretty quick.”

Wasn’t much for Greene to say on the matter. He said it’s not his decision (which is perfectly true) and that he’s focused on the things he can control (which seems like a pretty good idea) but he also called tonight’s game a “dream come true,” and I can’t imagine his dream has ever ended with an immediate demotion back to Triple-A.

Shane Greene, Francisco CervelliIt’s worth remembering that Greene pitched well in spring training and was one of the last cuts out of big league camp. He spent the month of April being called up and down three times between the big leagues and the minors. Little surprise, then, that it took him nearly two months to get a rhythm in Triple-A, but he’d found it recently. Greene had allowed just six earned runs through his last 28 innings before today’s call-up.

“My whole career I’ve definitely had a lot of ups and a lot of downs, so I’ve learned how to deal with that,” Greene said. “Even when I was struggling, one of the outings when I struggled was the best that I’ve still felt all year. I gave up like eight runs in three innings or something. It’s baseball. It happens. … Once I got on that five-day rhythm, I was good to go.”

How good can Greene be as a big league starter? I really don’t know. It was his ability to cut back on walks last season in Double-A that really forced him onto the prospect radar, and it was his ability to do that again tonight that seemed to make him so effective against the Indians. He hit a guy in the first inning, but ultimately didn’t walk anyone. He had a no-hitter until Nick Swisher’s two-out homer in the fifth.

“Tell myself I’d rather give up a home run than a walk,” Greene said. “And I did that, but just try to get ahead and make them hit my pitch.”

The Yankees have to decide tomorrow who comes off the roster to make room for Brandon McCarthy. If Greene’s not going to get another start, it probably makes sense to go ahead and send him back to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre so he can stay on this routine that’s finally gotten him pitching well after an up-and-down month of April. But if the Yankees have found another viable starter, it might also be worth restructuring 40 percent of their rotation, putting Whitley in the bullpen and finding out what they have in Greene.

“We’ve said all along this kid has a lot of talent,” Girardi said. “Sometimes it’s just figuring out what makes you successful and how you have to pitch. I don’t think he tried to do too much, and I think that’s pretty impressive, too. You didn’t see him overthrow at all. He changed speed on his fastball, as well. He threw some four-seamers up around 95-96. We knew he had talent, but he did an outstanding job.”

Ichiro Suzuki• Maybe he really was underwhelmed by the experience, but Dellin Betances played it pretty cool in the clubhouse after getting the first save of his career. Dave Robertson was unavailable after pitching three of the past four days, and so Betances got the final six outs to finish off the two-run win. “It’s pretty cool,” Betances said. “I was just trying to go out there and keep it the same. Make pitches, and thank God I was able to do that. For me, I’m just enjoying every day with the team, and just trying to go out there and do my job.”

• It wasn’t only Robertson who wasn’t available. Girardi said he also considered Adam Warren to be unavailable, and he was going to do everything he could to stay away from Matt Thornton and Shawn Kelley. That’s why David Huff came into a pretty tight game and pitched into the eighth. “I expanded Huff’s role a little bit tonight,” Girardi said. “I was trying to get Huff as far as I could go.”

• Good news on Carlos Beltran, who sounds pretty unconcerned about today’s knee issue. “Today I came and had a lot of treatment,” he said. “I felt better. The plan is to come tomorrow and do the whole preparation and see if I make the lineup. … The doctor came and said these type of injuries, with anti-inflammatories, it can be back (to normal) soon.”

• How did the Beltran injury happen in the first place? “I had a swing yesterday and my spike got caught in the batters box,” Beltran said. “Today I felt tight in the back of my knee. It’s not the knee. They said something about the hamstring tendon there, attached in the back of the knee.”

• Before tonight’s start, Justin Masterson had allowed just one earned run in 23.2 innings against the Yankees at Progressive Field. He’s having an awful season, though, and has now failed to go longer than four innings in three straight starts. In those starts, he’s allowed 13 earned runs in nine innings.

Derek Jeter• Obviously Masterson doesn’t look like nearly the starter he was last year, but surely some credit goes to the Yankees who have scored a bunch of early runs in four of their past five games. They actually hit even better than the score indicates. “It always helps when it’s through the lineup because it gives you a lot of opportunities to score runs,” Girardi said. “We were a couple inches from scoring a whole bunch. The ball (Jacoby Ellsbury) hit, it’s an unbelievable play by Santana. You have a left-handed first baseman, he probably doesn’t make it. That’s kind of how it went. Zelous Wheeler hit that ball, if it was earlier in the game, that’s a home run, but the wind changed directions. I thought we squared up a lot of balls tonight.”

• Brett Gardner, Brian McCann and Ichiro Suzuki each had three hits tonight. Brian Roberts had two hits. Five different Yankees had an RBI.

• Pretty cool play by the Yankees to double off Jason Kipnis in the eighth. Zelous Wheeler caught a foul pop up, but Kipnis was running on the play and Jeter went to second as if it were a ground ball and he were going to make a play. Kipnis didn’t realize the ball was in the air, and Wheeler threw him out at first. “That’s an outstanding play,” Girardi said. “That’s the importance of picking up the baseball when you’re stealing instead of counting on somebody else or counting on a coach. You have to find the baseball as a baserunner.”

• Francisco Cervelli is fine after being hit by a pitch in the second. Looked kind of bad at the time.

• Final word goes to Girardi talking about Greene: “Pretty good. For six innings, to do what he did, he gave up four hits. I think they hit one ball hard, the home run, then he had command for most of the night. I thought Cervy throwing out the base runner pretty early was probably helpful for him, just to kind of let him relax. Us getting some runs early helped as well, and he just went to work. He was really, really good.”

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55 Responses to “Postgame notes: Keeping Greene in rotation “a topic of discussion””

  1. Wang IS Taiwan July 8th, 2014 at 12:35 am

    ” but he also called tonight’s game a “dream come true,” and I can’t imagine his dream has ever ended with an immediate demotion back to Triple-A.”

    Funny, Chad.

  2. dutchsailor July 8th, 2014 at 12:56 am

    Nothing major, but if you are quoting Betances, you should probably spell God with a capital “G”

  3. Chad Jennings July 8th, 2014 at 1:06 am

    dutchsailor July 8th, 2014 at 12:56 am e

    Nothing major, but if you are quoting Betances, you should probably spell God with a capital “G”

    Just a typo on my part. Sorry about that.

  4. Hankflorida July 8th, 2014 at 1:52 am

    The Bronx Banjos found the holes and looked like they could score double what they did, but one base at a time has its draw backs. I can see them reverting back to a couple runs a game and only the pitching can keep them from sinking.. They have to ride Greene for a bit because McCarthy, Kuroda and Phelps do not seem to have the stuff to keep putting zeros on the board.

  5. Madrugador July 8th, 2014 at 5:28 am

    Feels like the Yanks have taken advantage of a few bad starters: Hughes, Gibson, Nolasco and Masterson (they had real trouble with Pino the 30 yo rookie who hadn’t won a game). They have done little else against most of the relievers they have faced on this road trip. I’ d like to see what they can do with a quality starter before I pronounce their offensive problems solved.

  6. mick July 8th, 2014 at 5:47 am

    Why wouldn’t he get another start ?
    Of course he’s in the rotation..

  7. TheGreatHambino July 8th, 2014 at 7:24 am

    Because Baltimore isn’t Cleveland. That’s all I can think of.

  8. pkyankfan69 July 8th, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Cleveland has actually scored only 6 less runs than Baltimore (in 1 less game)… Baltimore does have them by about 30 points in team OPS though. I’d say Baltimore is the better offensive team but not a huge gap.

  9. austinmac July 8th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    Headley is heating up. Kennedy throws harder than he used to. Get them.

  10. pat July 8th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    McCann’s old hitting coach: ‘He’ll never be comfortable’ in NY
    http://nypost.com/2014/07/08/m.....ble-in-ny/

  11. austinmac July 8th, 2014 at 7:57 am

    McCann and his three hits looked comfortable last night.

  12. Madrugador July 8th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    McCann looked like he was moving really poorly on the bases last night.

  13. 86w183 July 8th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Good morning all —-

    Greene looked strong last night and the kid has serious upside. It would be bizarre for Whitley to get another start before Greene does.

    Roberts, Ichiro and McCann all loook a whole lot better at the plate. Still gotta do a much better job of tacking on runs, though it’s hard to be upset with the DP Ellsbury hit into… that ball was scalded and the guy turned a three-run 2B into two outs.

  14. MG July 8th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Nice job by Greene last night, he deserves another start before the All Star game.

    It looks like Refsnyder is going to get some playing time in the outfield this week-Roberts may not be the best 2nd baseman in baseball but he’s been OK and the Yankees have a gaping hole in right field-bringing up Refsnyder after the ASB for a shot there makes all the sense in the world with the trading deadline a couple of weeks later.

  15. 86w183 July 8th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    I doubt Refsnyder gets a call. He’s not been in Triple-A that long. I’d prefer they go with Pirela or Garcia for a call up…. if/when there is one.

    Billings should be sent out for a bat today and Whitley for McCarthy tomorrow.

  16. yankfan1 July 8th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    I’m confused, wasn’t Billings going to go down when McCarthy arrived? Greene should be up regardless of whether yesterday was a good or bad start.

  17. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Good Morning. I wasn’t able to watch the game last night but I just finished reviewing some of the previews.

    Greene looks like he has a nice fluid repeatable motion And can generate good velocity. He deserves another chance.

    Ian Kennedy pitched a gem last night in Colorado seven innings four hits,one run ,nine strikeouts two walks.

  18. austinmac July 8th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    YT,

    Headley is hitting as he usually does the second half. Get him and Kennedy.

  19. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Yankees lately have been scoring their runs early and then their bats have been going to sleep.
    Masterson was awful. Yankees went 4 for 13 with RISP

    They need a middle of the order bat, someone who can play right field. They are 17th in homers.

  20. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    I don’t think McCarthy was added to the 40 man roster yet

  21. pat July 8th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    RE: Refsnyder

    “I’m not presently looking to call him up, but he’s demanding that we pay attention,” Cashman said. “If he came up here (in the coming weeks), it would likely be in the outfield.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1858252

  22. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Too bad Michael Cuddyer is injured. He’s a FA and would be a nice pickup. Came up as a 3rd baseman, has played 2nd and 1st, before moving to RF

  23. 86w183 July 8th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    McCarthy will be added to the ACTIVE roster tomorrow. Whitley or Billings will be dropped.

    He had to be added right after the trade to the 40-man which was Nuno’s spot.

  24. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Refsnyder. was a right fielder for three years at the University of Arizona and played right field in minors in 2012 for 42 games

  25. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    I have a feeling that they will call up Scott Sizemore to share time at third with Johnson and let Wheeler, who has played the corner outfield positions, play right field.

  26. pkyankfan69 July 8th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    pat July 8th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..-1.1858252
    ——————————–

    Refsnyder said the jump in power numbers is the result of what he calls “a huge swing overhaul,” for which he credits Double-A hitting coach Marcus Thames.

    Marcus Thames doing work.

  27. Villa Nova-Ya July 8th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    It’s been a long time since the Yankees had someone in the minors that was forcing them to pay attention.

    The only “problem” I’d see with bringing Refsnyder up to play in the OF is that he loses time training at second base. But if Gene Michael says he thinks he can play second, then he will be able to play second.

    If the Yankees are having Refsnyder play OF, I think there’s a pretty decent chance he’s going to be called up sooner rather than later. If not, they’d keep him at second, IMO.

    Thanks for sharing the two articles this morning, pat.

  28. mick July 8th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    The Yanks are dying for SP and there’s talk of Greene being sent down?
    Illogical.

    Whitley deserves his shot in the pen where he belongs.

    TBA on Thursday made no sense. It has to be Phelps.

  29. mick July 8th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    McCann was attacking the ball last night.
    Give Carlos another day off.
    Cervelli can hit.

  30. blake July 8th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Refs should be fine in RF but this comes down to Roberts vs Ichiro……one of them has to sit if Refs comes up. If they aren’t comfortable with his defense at 2B then that’s probably where the decision is being made.

  31. pkyankfan69 July 8th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    “Yankees superscout Gene Michael, here on Monday, said he believes Refsnyder can play second in the big leagues. “I haven’t seen anything I don’t like,” he said.”

  32. blake July 8th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Roberts ops is only 30 points behind Ellsbury and is better than Jeter, McCann , and Ichiro

    Gardner is pretty much their best player this year

  33. mick July 8th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Leave Roberts alone. He’ hitting.
    They might just bring up Almonte.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya July 8th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    blake -

    I kind of hope they don’t call him up. I’d rather he play every day in AAA than just every few days in the majors.

    As long as Roberts and Ichiro are doing well, they’ll likely stick with them, I’d guess.

    But it is exciting to have this kind of player, getting this kind of attention and the talk about his make-up and work habits is encouraging.

  35. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees have six players in their system that have played RF and deserve a shot there.
    Pirela
    Garcia
    Almonte
    Wheeler
    Refsnyder
    Solarte

  36. mick July 8th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Nuno and Whitley were just replaced by Greene and McCarthy.
    Simple enough.

  37. blake July 8th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Headley is hitting .462 in July…../’small sample but he’s always a 2nd half guy

  38. Villa Nova-Ya July 8th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    I don’t know if people recall anymore, but even Cano needed some extra coaching when he got his call-up. He and Larry Bowa were joined at the hip. ;) If the player has the talent and the desire to work (and is going to play every day), there’s no reason not to continue the development at the ML level.

    I just don’t think the way this team is set up right now that Refsnyder is going to replace anyone in the way that Cano did.

  39. blake July 8th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    As long as Roberts and Ichiro are doing well, they’ll likely stick with them, I’d guess.”

    They are going ok…Roberts is having a good week and Ichiro is what he is…..he’s hitting .304 with no power and no real on base ability other than singles. They aren’t killing them but they aren’t helping them get better really.

    Roberts I think has more potential to sustain playing well……

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    What’s this world coming to……I hope the judge dismisses the case quickly and tells this dude that if you fall asleep at a ball game you’re fair game for mocking

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